X ` Man wrote:
On 5/12/12 9:01 PM, Earl wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:05:09 -0400, wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 12:26:45 -0400, paulaner wrote:

I'm planning to buy a boat soon, and I have been looking at Mako,
Edgewater, etc center console boats. That should work well for my
periodic need for fishing, crabbing, bar run, etc. What is
doesn't do
is make a comfortable afternoon or sunset cruise for the wife,
mothers, and other non-boaters in the family (they want cushions,
throw pillows, cocktails, snacks).

So, what is the 20' (or so) equivalent boat that could meet those
needs? I don't want a pontoon boat, and I can't afford the Hinkley.
My pier slip could hold 24' or maybe a bit more I think, pilings are
about 10' wide.

The boat would be used on the Chesapeake bay, and mostly on the
local
river. I'd love a quiet 4-stroke outboard, and maybe something a
little classic looking.

Thoughts?
Here, I love mine! And my wife and kids do also.

http://www.keywestboatsinc.com/boats/show/id/6

Notice all the seating and cushions. Scroll through the images. When
the back seats are removed, you
have four more rod holders.
Good choice! The larger KW boats have a porta-pottie in the console,
too.
My wife and I started with a little 15' Boston Whaler which we used in
the Chesapeake Bay and the
Potomac River. Sometimes it got a little bumpy, but we always had a
great time. We now go mostly in
the Potomac River and Lake Anna, but have taken it to the Chesapeake
several times also. Great
riding boat - and lots of cushions!!

If that's the case, the Chesapeake isn't as rough as X-Man would have us
believe.

Uh, I didn't say it was "rough," dumfoch. I said and have posted many
times that the Bay typically has a hard chop, usually 6" to a foot or
foot and a half. Sometimes the bay is "rough," sometimes it is flat, but
much of the time it has a hard chop.
"Rough" is subjective and my use was proper. Yes, you said a hard chop
and you also recommended a large amount of deadrise, 20 degrees or more,
to counter those conditions in your post where you said boats under 20'
were not comfortable. Oddly, you suggested that a 150-200hp motor was
required and even limited it to two brands.

On Sat, 12 May 2012 21:48:29 -0400, Earl wrote:

X ` Man wrote:
On 5/12/12 9:01 PM, Earl wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:05:09 -0400, wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 12:26:45 -0400, paulaner wrote:

I'm planning to buy a boat soon, and I have been looking at Mako,
Edgewater, etc center console boats. That should work well for my
periodic need for fishing, crabbing, bar run, etc. What is
doesn't do
is make a comfortable afternoon or sunset cruise for the wife,
mothers, and other non-boaters in the family (they want cushions,
throw pillows, cocktails, snacks).

So, what is the 20' (or so) equivalent boat that could meet those
needs? I don't want a pontoon boat, and I can't afford the Hinkley.
My pier slip could hold 24' or maybe a bit more I think, pilings are
about 10' wide.

The boat would be used on the Chesapeake bay, and mostly on the
local
river. I'd love a quiet 4-stroke outboard, and maybe something a
little classic looking.

Thoughts?
Here, I love mine! And my wife and kids do also.

http://www.keywestboatsinc.com/boats/show/id/6

Notice all the seating and cushions. Scroll through the images. When
the back seats are removed, you
have four more rod holders.
Good choice! The larger KW boats have a porta-pottie in the console,
too.
My wife and I started with a little 15' Boston Whaler which we used in
the Chesapeake Bay and the
Potomac River. Sometimes it got a little bumpy, but we always had a
great time. We now go mostly in
the Potomac River and Lake Anna, but have taken it to the Chesapeake
several times also. Great
riding boat - and lots of cushions!!

If that's the case, the Chesapeake isn't as rough as X-Man would have us
believe.

Uh, I didn't say it was "rough," dumfoch. I said and have posted many
times that the Bay typically has a hard chop, usually 6" to a foot or
foot and a half. Sometimes the bay is "rough," sometimes it is flat, but
much of the time it has a hard chop.
"Rough" is subjective and my use was proper. Yes, you said a hard chop
and you also recommended a large amount of deadrise, 20 degrees or more,
to counter those conditions in your post where you said boats under 20'
were not comfortable. Oddly, you suggested that a 150-200hp motor was
required and even limited it to two brands.

We all have our own definitions of 'hard chop'. To me, 6" - 12" wavelets are pretty calm. One- to
two-footers can be a little 'choppy', but are fine at a slower speed. Don't know why 150-200 horses
is necessary. A good friend had a 24'er with a Honda 90 on the butt end, and we did a whole lot of
pleasant fishing with that thing - in 2'-3' wave conditions. Pulled lots of stripers into that boat.

On 5/13/12 7:36 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 12 May 2012 21:48:29 -0400, wrote:



We all have our own definitions of 'hard chop'. To me, 6" - 12" wavelets are pretty calm. One- to
two-footers can be a little 'choppy', but are fine at a slower speed. Don't know why 150-200 horses
is necessary. A good friend had a 24'er with a Honda 90 on the butt end, and we did a whole lot of
pleasant fishing with that thing - in 2'-3' wave conditions. Pulled lots of stripers into that boat.

Around here, hard chop refers less to the size of the peaks of waves and
more to the distances between the peaks. If the peaks are close
together, you get hard chop. If they are farther apart, you typically
don't, wave size being equal.

As for engine horsepower, you have what, an 18-footer with a 150 hp four
stroke engine?

Oh, and you don't actually get out on the Bay more than once a year, do
you?

X ` Man wrote:
On 5/13/12 7:36 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 12 May 2012 21:48:29 -0400, wrote:



We all have our own definitions of 'hard chop'. To me, 6" - 12"
wavelets are pretty calm. One- to
two-footers can be a little 'choppy', but are fine at a slower speed.
Don't know why 150-200 horses
is necessary. A good friend had a 24'er with a Honda 90 on the butt
end, and we did a whole lot of
pleasant fishing with that thing - in 2'-3' wave conditions. Pulled
lots of stripers into that boat.

Around here, hard chop refers less to the size of the peaks of waves
and more to the distances between the peaks. If the peaks are close
together, you get hard chop. If they are farther apart, you typically
don't, wave size being equal.

As for engine horsepower, you have what, an 18-footer with a 150 hp
four stroke engine?

Oh, and you don't actually get out on the Bay more than once a year,
do you?





Spoken like a true non-boater. You have issues, X-Man. Jealousy, envy,
whatever, but it is apparent that you don't boat and have chosen this to
be your dumping ground for your over-the-top political agenda. You seem
to forget that people who have boats are more likely to be educated and
can see through your strange rhetoric. Even your attempts at on-topic
posts are filled with unfounded advice. There are plenty of political
groups in Usenet, I'm sure. Have you been pushed out of them all?

On Mon, 14 May 2012 20:12:42 -0400, Earl wrote:

X ` Man wrote:
On 5/13/12 7:36 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 12 May 2012 21:48:29 -0400, wrote:



We all have our own definitions of 'hard chop'. To me, 6" - 12"
wavelets are pretty calm. One- to
two-footers can be a little 'choppy', but are fine at a slower speed.
Don't know why 150-200 horses
is necessary. A good friend had a 24'er with a Honda 90 on the butt
end, and we did a whole lot of
pleasant fishing with that thing - in 2'-3' wave conditions. Pulled
lots of stripers into that boat.

Around here, hard chop refers less to the size of the peaks of waves
and more to the distances between the peaks. If the peaks are close
together, you get hard chop. If they are farther apart, you typically
don't, wave size being equal.

As for engine horsepower, you have what, an 18-footer with a 150 hp
four stroke engine?

Oh, and you don't actually get out on the Bay more than once a year,
do you?





Spoken like a true non-boater. You have issues, X-Man. Jealousy, envy,
whatever, but it is apparent that you don't boat and have chosen this to
be your dumping ground for your over-the-top political agenda. You seem
to forget that people who have boats are more likely to be educated and
can see through your strange rhetoric. Even your attempts at on-topic
posts are filled with unfounded advice. There are plenty of political
groups in Usenet, I'm sure. Have you been pushed out of them all?

I'm still of the opinion that 6" crests six feet apart are no worse than 6" crests one foot apart.

On Mon, 21 May 2012 21:17:54 -0400, John H.
wrote:

I'm still of the opinion that 6" crests six feet apart are no worse than 6" crests one foot apart.

===

That's because 6 inches is small relative to the size of your boat.
Change the proportions to something like 4 feet 40 feet apart vs 4
feet 400 feet apart.

On Mon, 21 May 2012 23:22:30 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Mon, 21 May 2012 21:17:54 -0400, John H.
wrote:

I'm still of the opinion that 6" crests six feet apart are no worse than 6" crests one foot apart.

===

That's because 6 inches is small relative to the size of your boat.
Change the proportions to something like 4 feet 40 feet apart vs 4
feet 400 feet apart.

True - but the original comment had to do with 6" to 12" wavelets. The Chesapeake, as I'm sure you
know, isn't quite big enough to get 4'ers 400' apart. When we get 4'ers there's a whole lot of wind
coming from somewhere, and I wouldn't have been out there with my 21'er. I've done it - but that's
'cause I got caught in a quick thunderstorm. Then the waves were higher than I could see over when I
was in a trough. Didn't have a GPS then, and was lucky the compass was working.

On 5/12/12 9:48 PM, Earl wrote:
X ` Man wrote:
On 5/12/12 9:01 PM, Earl wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:05:09 -0400, wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 12:26:45 -0400, paulaner wrote:

I'm planning to buy a boat soon, and I have been looking at Mako,
Edgewater, etc center console boats. That should work well for my
periodic need for fishing, crabbing, bar run, etc. What is
doesn't do
is make a comfortable afternoon or sunset cruise for the wife,
mothers, and other non-boaters in the family (they want cushions,
throw pillows, cocktails, snacks).

So, what is the 20' (or so) equivalent boat that could meet those
needs? I don't want a pontoon boat, and I can't afford the Hinkley.
My pier slip could hold 24' or maybe a bit more I think, pilings are
about 10' wide.

The boat would be used on the Chesapeake bay, and mostly on the
local
river. I'd love a quiet 4-stroke outboard, and maybe something a
little classic looking.

Thoughts?
Here, I love mine! And my wife and kids do also.

http://www.keywestboatsinc.com/boats/show/id/6

Notice all the seating and cushions. Scroll through the images. When
the back seats are removed, you
have four more rod holders.
Good choice! The larger KW boats have a porta-pottie in the console,
too.
My wife and I started with a little 15' Boston Whaler which we used in
the Chesapeake Bay and the
Potomac River. Sometimes it got a little bumpy, but we always had a
great time. We now go mostly in
the Potomac River and Lake Anna, but have taken it to the Chesapeake
several times also. Great
riding boat - and lots of cushions!!

If that's the case, the Chesapeake isn't as rough as X-Man would have us
believe.

Uh, I didn't say it was "rough," dumfoch. I said and have posted many
times that the Bay typically has a hard chop, usually 6" to a foot or
foot and a half. Sometimes the bay is "rough," sometimes it is flat, but
much of the time it has a hard chop.
"Rough" is subjective and my use was proper. Yes, you said a hard chop
and you also recommended a large amount of deadrise, 20 degrees or more,
to counter those conditions in your post where you said boats under 20'
were not comfortable. Oddly, you suggested that a 150-200hp motor was
required and even limited it to two brands.


Your posts are just more evidence as to why this is no longer a boating
group. Bye.

X ` Man wrote:
On 5/12/12 9:48 PM, Earl wrote:
X ` Man wrote:
On 5/12/12 9:01 PM, Earl wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:05:09 -0400,
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 12:26:45 -0400, paulaner wrote:

I'm planning to buy a boat soon, and I have been looking at Mako,
Edgewater, etc center console boats. That should work well for my
periodic need for fishing, crabbing, bar run, etc. What is
doesn't do
is make a comfortable afternoon or sunset cruise for the wife,
mothers, and other non-boaters in the family (they want cushions,
throw pillows, cocktails, snacks).

So, what is the 20' (or so) equivalent boat that could meet those
needs? I don't want a pontoon boat, and I can't afford the
Hinkley.
My pier slip could hold 24' or maybe a bit more I think,
pilings are
about 10' wide.

The boat would be used on the Chesapeake bay, and mostly on the
local
river. I'd love a quiet 4-stroke outboard, and maybe something a
little classic looking.

Thoughts?
Here, I love mine! And my wife and kids do also.

http://www.keywestboatsinc.com/boats/show/id/6

Notice all the seating and cushions. Scroll through the images.
When
the back seats are removed, you
have four more rod holders.
Good choice! The larger KW boats have a porta-pottie in the console,
too.
My wife and I started with a little 15' Boston Whaler which we
used in
the Chesapeake Bay and the
Potomac River. Sometimes it got a little bumpy, but we always had a
great time. We now go mostly in
the Potomac River and Lake Anna, but have taken it to the Chesapeake
several times also. Great
riding boat - and lots of cushions!!

If that's the case, the Chesapeake isn't as rough as X-Man would
have us
believe.

Uh, I didn't say it was "rough," dumfoch. I said and have posted many
times that the Bay typically has a hard chop, usually 6" to a foot or
foot and a half. Sometimes the bay is "rough," sometimes it is flat,
but
much of the time it has a hard chop.
"Rough" is subjective and my use was proper. Yes, you said a hard chop
and you also recommended a large amount of deadrise, 20 degrees or more,
to counter those conditions in your post where you said boats under 20'
were not comfortable. Oddly, you suggested that a 150-200hp motor was
required and even limited it to two brands.


Your posts are just more evidence as to why this is no longer a
boating group. Bye.
You can't defend your own post so you come up with that BS? Don't let
the door hit you in the ass.

On 5/14/12 7:58 PM, Earl wrote:
X ` Man wrote:
On 5/12/12 9:48 PM, Earl wrote:
X ` Man wrote:
On 5/12/12 9:01 PM, Earl wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 22:05:09 -0400,
wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 11 May 2012 12:26:45 -0400, paulaner wrote:

I'm planning to buy a boat soon, and I have been looking at Mako,
Edgewater, etc center console boats. That should work well for my
periodic need for fishing, crabbing, bar run, etc. What is
doesn't do
is make a comfortable afternoon or sunset cruise for the wife,
mothers, and other non-boaters in the family (they want cushions,
throw pillows, cocktails, snacks).

So, what is the 20' (or so) equivalent boat that could meet those
needs? I don't want a pontoon boat, and I can't afford the
Hinkley.
My pier slip could hold 24' or maybe a bit more I think,
pilings are
about 10' wide.

The boat would be used on the Chesapeake bay, and mostly on the
local
river. I'd love a quiet 4-stroke outboard, and maybe something a
little classic looking.

Thoughts?
Here, I love mine! And my wife and kids do also.

http://www.keywestboatsinc.com/boats/show/id/6

Notice all the seating and cushions. Scroll through the images.
When
the back seats are removed, you
have four more rod holders.
Good choice! The larger KW boats have a porta-pottie in the console,
too.
My wife and I started with a little 15' Boston Whaler which we
used in
the Chesapeake Bay and the
Potomac River. Sometimes it got a little bumpy, but we always had a
great time. We now go mostly in
the Potomac River and Lake Anna, but have taken it to the Chesapeake
several times also. Great
riding boat - and lots of cushions!!

If that's the case, the Chesapeake isn't as rough as X-Man would
have us
believe.

Uh, I didn't say it was "rough," dumfoch. I said and have posted many
times that the Bay typically has a hard chop, usually 6" to a foot or
foot and a half. Sometimes the bay is "rough," sometimes it is flat,
but
much of the time it has a hard chop.
"Rough" is subjective and my use was proper. Yes, you said a hard chop
and you also recommended a large amount of deadrise, 20 degrees or more,
to counter those conditions in your post where you said boats under 20'
were not comfortable. Oddly, you suggested that a 150-200hp motor was
required and even limited it to two brands.


Your posts are just more evidence as to why this is no longer a
boating group. Bye.
You can't defend your own post so you come up with that BS? Don't let
the door hit you in the ass.


D'oh. I didn't write that I was leaving. I was simply closing the door
on you and your moronic posts. That door is almost completely closed now.

Bye.