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On 5/4/2012 3:17 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 5/4/12 2:52 PM, wrote: On Fri, 04 May 2012 13:31:00 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 5/4/12 1:09 PM, wrote: On Fri, 04 May 2012 12:39:56 -0400, X ` Man I don't do much fishing anymore. I do, however, think it is more sporting than hunting. There's nothing sporting about seeing an elk or a moose a few hundred yards away and then shooting it with a high powered rifle and scope. How is that any less "sporting" than sitting in the lounge of your sport fish, sipping a cold drink, waiting for a tuna to hit one of the ballyhoo you are trolling? The mate probably rigged the bait and struck the fish. All you did was reel it in. Well, it is less sporting because fishing for big pelagics is a lot more dangerous than shooting a moose or an elk, but I'm not a fan of that sort of "hunting," either. It is basically the same as the canned hunt you are talking about on a game ranch and I am not sure where the danger is ... unless the boat sinks. I wasn't making a comparison to a canned hunt but to "regular" hunting, and if you've never been aboard a boat targeting 500-pound fish, you have no idea of the dangers involved...that have nothing to do with the boat sinking. Boating can be a dangerous passtime no matter what. I'm surprised you are brave enough to assume the risks. |
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On 5/4/12 3:47 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 04 May 2012 15:17:34 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 5/4/12 2:52 PM, wrote: On Fri, 04 May 2012 13:31:00 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 5/4/12 1:09 PM, wrote: On Fri, 04 May 2012 12:39:56 -0400, X ` Man I don't do much fishing anymore. I do, however, think it is more sporting than hunting. There's nothing sporting about seeing an elk or a moose a few hundred yards away and then shooting it with a high powered rifle and scope. How is that any less "sporting" than sitting in the lounge of your sport fish, sipping a cold drink, waiting for a tuna to hit one of the ballyhoo you are trolling? The mate probably rigged the bait and struck the fish. All you did was reel it in. Well, it is less sporting because fishing for big pelagics is a lot more dangerous than shooting a moose or an elk, but I'm not a fan of that sort of "hunting," either. It is basically the same as the canned hunt you are talking about on a game ranch and I am not sure where the danger is ... unless the boat sinks. I wasn't making a comparison to a canned hunt but to "regular" hunting, and if you've never been aboard a boat targeting 500-pound fish, you have no idea of the dangers involved...that have nothing to do with the boat sinking. What dangers? We are not talking about Alaskan crab fishermen here. How many recreational fishermen are killed every year? (tossing out the ones who just get drunk and fall out of the boat) You mean, other than being pulled overboard by a fish, being bitten by a pelagic, falling and hitting your head, arm strain, neck strain, back strain, being impaled with large fish hooks, stabbed by knives, sun poisoning, and heatstroke, among other things? |
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On 5/4/2012 3:54 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 5/4/12 3:47 PM, wrote: On Fri, 04 May 2012 15:17:34 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 5/4/12 2:52 PM, wrote: On Fri, 04 May 2012 13:31:00 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 5/4/12 1:09 PM, wrote: On Fri, 04 May 2012 12:39:56 -0400, X ` Man I don't do much fishing anymore. I do, however, think it is more sporting than hunting. There's nothing sporting about seeing an elk or a moose a few hundred yards away and then shooting it with a high powered rifle and scope. How is that any less "sporting" than sitting in the lounge of your sport fish, sipping a cold drink, waiting for a tuna to hit one of the ballyhoo you are trolling? The mate probably rigged the bait and struck the fish. All you did was reel it in. Well, it is less sporting because fishing for big pelagics is a lot more dangerous than shooting a moose or an elk, but I'm not a fan of that sort of "hunting," either. It is basically the same as the canned hunt you are talking about on a game ranch and I am not sure where the danger is ... unless the boat sinks. I wasn't making a comparison to a canned hunt but to "regular" hunting, and if you've never been aboard a boat targeting 500-pound fish, you have no idea of the dangers involved...that have nothing to do with the boat sinking. What dangers? We are not talking about Alaskan crab fishermen here. How many recreational fishermen are killed every year? (tossing out the ones who just get drunk and fall out of the boat) You mean, other than being pulled overboard by a fish, being bitten by a pelagic, falling and hitting your head, arm strain, neck strain, back strain, being impaled with large fish hooks, stabbed by knives, sun poisoning, and heatstroke, among other things? A tree could fall on you in your backyard if you are brave enough to venture off your deck out into the wilderness. Every breath you take brings with it new dangers. BOO! |
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#5
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On 5/4/2012 3:54 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 5/4/12 3:47 PM, wrote: On Fri, 04 May 2012 15:17:34 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 5/4/12 2:52 PM, wrote: On Fri, 04 May 2012 13:31:00 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 5/4/12 1:09 PM, wrote: On Fri, 04 May 2012 12:39:56 -0400, X ` Man I don't do much fishing anymore. I do, however, think it is more sporting than hunting. There's nothing sporting about seeing an elk or a moose a few hundred yards away and then shooting it with a high powered rifle and scope. How is that any less "sporting" than sitting in the lounge of your sport fish, sipping a cold drink, waiting for a tuna to hit one of the ballyhoo you are trolling? The mate probably rigged the bait and struck the fish. All you did was reel it in. Well, it is less sporting because fishing for big pelagics is a lot more dangerous than shooting a moose or an elk, but I'm not a fan of that sort of "hunting," either. It is basically the same as the canned hunt you are talking about on a game ranch and I am not sure where the danger is ... unless the boat sinks. I wasn't making a comparison to a canned hunt but to "regular" hunting, and if you've never been aboard a boat targeting 500-pound fish, you have no idea of the dangers involved...that have nothing to do with the boat sinking. What dangers? We are not talking about Alaskan crab fishermen here. How many recreational fishermen are killed every year? (tossing out the ones who just get drunk and fall out of the boat) You mean, other than being pulled overboard by a fish, being bitten by a pelagic, falling and hitting your head, arm strain, neck strain, back strain, being impaled with large fish hooks, stabbed by knives, sun poisoning, and heatstroke, among other things? All of those injuries could happen walking through the woods, and dragging back a 1200 pound animal... dumb ass... |
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On 5/4/2012 3:54 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 5/4/12 3:47 PM, wrote: On Fri, 04 May 2012 15:17:34 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 5/4/12 2:52 PM, wrote: On Fri, 04 May 2012 13:31:00 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 5/4/12 1:09 PM, wrote: On Fri, 04 May 2012 12:39:56 -0400, X ` Man I don't do much fishing anymore. I do, however, think it is more sporting than hunting. There's nothing sporting about seeing an elk or a moose a few hundred yards away and then shooting it with a high powered rifle and scope. How is that any less "sporting" than sitting in the lounge of your sport fish, sipping a cold drink, waiting for a tuna to hit one of the ballyhoo you are trolling? The mate probably rigged the bait and struck the fish. All you did was reel it in. Well, it is less sporting because fishing for big pelagics is a lot more dangerous than shooting a moose or an elk, but I'm not a fan of that sort of "hunting," either. It is basically the same as the canned hunt you are talking about on a game ranch and I am not sure where the danger is ... unless the boat sinks. I wasn't making a comparison to a canned hunt but to "regular" hunting, and if you've never been aboard a boat targeting 500-pound fish, you have no idea of the dangers involved...that have nothing to do with the boat sinking. What dangers? We are not talking about Alaskan crab fishermen here. How many recreational fishermen are killed every year? (tossing out the ones who just get drunk and fall out of the boat) You mean, other than being pulled overboard by a fish, being bitten by a pelagic, falling and hitting your head, arm strain, neck strain, back strain, being impaled with large fish hooks, stabbed by knives, sun poisoning, and heatstroke, among other things? All of those injuries could happen walking through the woods, and dragging back a 1200 pound animal... dumb ass... Really? You're going to be bitten by a pelagic, and be impaled with a large fish hook in the woods??? |
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#7
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On 5/5/12 10:35 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 5 May 2012 08:55:57 -0400, wrote: In , says... On 5/4/2012 3:54 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 5/4/12 3:47 PM, wrote: On Fri, 04 May 2012 15:17:34 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 5/4/12 2:52 PM, wrote: On Fri, 04 May 2012 13:31:00 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 5/4/12 1:09 PM, wrote: On Fri, 04 May 2012 12:39:56 -0400, X ` Man I don't do much fishing anymore. I do, however, think it is more sporting than hunting. There's nothing sporting about seeing an elk or a moose a few hundred yards away and then shooting it with a high powered rifle and scope. How is that any less "sporting" than sitting in the lounge of your sport fish, sipping a cold drink, waiting for a tuna to hit one of the ballyhoo you are trolling? The mate probably rigged the bait and struck the fish. All you did was reel it in. Well, it is less sporting because fishing for big pelagics is a lot more dangerous than shooting a moose or an elk, but I'm not a fan of that sort of "hunting," either. It is basically the same as the canned hunt you are talking about on a game ranch and I am not sure where the danger is ... unless the boat sinks. I wasn't making a comparison to a canned hunt but to "regular" hunting, and if you've never been aboard a boat targeting 500-pound fish, you have no idea of the dangers involved...that have nothing to do with the boat sinking. What dangers? We are not talking about Alaskan crab fishermen here. How many recreational fishermen are killed every year? (tossing out the ones who just get drunk and fall out of the boat) You mean, other than being pulled overboard by a fish, being bitten by a pelagic, falling and hitting your head, arm strain, neck strain, back strain, being impaled with large fish hooks, stabbed by knives, sun poisoning, and heatstroke, among other things? All of those injuries could happen walking through the woods, and dragging back a 1200 pound animal... dumb ass... Really? You're going to be bitten by a pelagic, and be impaled with a large fish hook in the woods??? The issue was risk (although I am not sure why Harry brought it up) I think I would rather fall in the water than fall out of a tree stand and I know I would rather take a fish hook on the finger than get shot. We won't even get into the difference between getting bit by a fish on the deck and mauled by a bear in the woods. I thought shooting other hunters on a canned hunt was part of the fun. Just ask Dick Cheney. |
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#8
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On 5/5/12 11:41 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 05 May 2012 10:44:58 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 5/5/12 10:35 AM, wrote: On Sat, 5 May 2012 08:55:57 -0400, wrote: The issue was risk (although I am not sure why Harry brought it up) I think I would rather fall in the water than fall out of a tree stand and I know I would rather take a fish hook on the finger than get shot. We won't even get into the difference between getting bit by a fish on the deck and mauled by a bear in the woods. I thought shooting other hunters on a canned hunt was part of the fun. Just ask Dick Cheney. Any day you can shoot a lawyer is a good day in the woods ;-) We never heard the specifics but it is clear someone was out of position there. There is a strict protocol about where people are walking in a bird hunt like that so nobody is in the other's line of fire. Occasionally there is still a stray pellet tho. We had a guy get hit at the Manassas skeet range and everyone was doing everything right. The extremely low velocity of the pellet suggested it was a strange bounce off of a claybird. Is there anything on the conservative side that you will not try to rationalize? Dick Cheney was careless; he shot a friend in the face and chest. Period. |
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On 5/4/12 4:07 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 04 May 2012 15:54:33 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 5/4/12 3:47 PM, wrote: On Fri, 04 May 2012 15:17:34 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 5/4/12 2:52 PM, wrote: On Fri, 04 May 2012 13:31:00 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 5/4/12 1:09 PM, wrote: On Fri, 04 May 2012 12:39:56 -0400, X ` Man I don't do much fishing anymore. I do, however, think it is more sporting than hunting. There's nothing sporting about seeing an elk or a moose a few hundred yards away and then shooting it with a high powered rifle and scope. How is that any less "sporting" than sitting in the lounge of your sport fish, sipping a cold drink, waiting for a tuna to hit one of the ballyhoo you are trolling? The mate probably rigged the bait and struck the fish. All you did was reel it in. Well, it is less sporting because fishing for big pelagics is a lot more dangerous than shooting a moose or an elk, but I'm not a fan of that sort of "hunting," either. It is basically the same as the canned hunt you are talking about on a game ranch and I am not sure where the danger is ... unless the boat sinks. I wasn't making a comparison to a canned hunt but to "regular" hunting, and if you've never been aboard a boat targeting 500-pound fish, you have no idea of the dangers involved...that have nothing to do with the boat sinking. What dangers? We are not talking about Alaskan crab fishermen here. How many recreational fishermen are killed every year? (tossing out the ones who just get drunk and fall out of the boat) You mean, other than being pulled overboard by a fish, being bitten by a pelagic, falling and hitting your head, arm strain, neck strain, back strain, being impaled with large fish hooks, stabbed by knives, sun poisoning, and heatstroke, among other things? I am sure that pales in comparison to the number of hunters who fall out of tree stands, drown in freezing water, get attacked by the animal they are hunting, get bit by snakes, get shot by other hunters or just shoot themselves. They still have all of those exposure risks, knife injury risks and strain injuries trying to drag that elk out of the woods. I suppose we could get some kind of numbers but I don't care that much because they are probably meaningless. You are still ignoring all the fishermen who are simply bottom fishing off their dock. (probably analogous to shooting squirrels off your porch) Indeed, I was discussing big game fishing, since you mentioned sportfish boats, tuna, ballyhoo and mates. Oh, I wouldn't shoot a squirrel or any other animal. |
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On 5/4/2012 4:22 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 5/4/12 4:07 PM, wrote: On Fri, 04 May 2012 15:54:33 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 5/4/12 3:47 PM, wrote: On Fri, 04 May 2012 15:17:34 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 5/4/12 2:52 PM, wrote: On Fri, 04 May 2012 13:31:00 -0400, X ` Man wrote: On 5/4/12 1:09 PM, wrote: On Fri, 04 May 2012 12:39:56 -0400, X ` Man I don't do much fishing anymore. I do, however, think it is more sporting than hunting. There's nothing sporting about seeing an elk or a moose a few hundred yards away and then shooting it with a high powered rifle and scope. How is that any less "sporting" than sitting in the lounge of your sport fish, sipping a cold drink, waiting for a tuna to hit one of the ballyhoo you are trolling? The mate probably rigged the bait and struck the fish. All you did was reel it in. Well, it is less sporting because fishing for big pelagics is a lot more dangerous than shooting a moose or an elk, but I'm not a fan of that sort of "hunting," either. It is basically the same as the canned hunt you are talking about on a game ranch and I am not sure where the danger is ... unless the boat sinks. I wasn't making a comparison to a canned hunt but to "regular" hunting, and if you've never been aboard a boat targeting 500-pound fish, you have no idea of the dangers involved...that have nothing to do with the boat sinking. What dangers? We are not talking about Alaskan crab fishermen here. How many recreational fishermen are killed every year? (tossing out the ones who just get drunk and fall out of the boat) You mean, other than being pulled overboard by a fish, being bitten by a pelagic, falling and hitting your head, arm strain, neck strain, back strain, being impaled with large fish hooks, stabbed by knives, sun poisoning, and heatstroke, among other things? I am sure that pales in comparison to the number of hunters who fall out of tree stands, drown in freezing water, get attacked by the animal they are hunting, get bit by snakes, get shot by other hunters or just shoot themselves. They still have all of those exposure risks, knife injury risks and strain injuries trying to drag that elk out of the woods. I suppose we could get some kind of numbers but I don't care that much because they are probably meaningless. You are still ignoring all the fishermen who are simply bottom fishing off their dock. (probably analogous to shooting squirrels off your porch) Indeed, I was discussing big game fishing, since you mentioned sportfish boats, tuna, ballyhoo and mates. Oh, I wouldn't shoot a squirrel or any other animal. Man is animal. |
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