BoatBanter.com
Page 7 of 20 123456 7 89101112131417 Last »
Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

BoatBanter.com (https://www.boatbanter.com/)
-   General (https://www.boatbanter.com/general/)
-   -   The Right Wing Darling Zimmerman (https://www.boatbanter.com/general/151706-right-wing-darling-zimmerman.html)

BAR[_2_] May 1st 12 03:06 AM
The Right Wing Darling Zimmerman
 
In article ,
says...

On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:29:24 -0400, BAR wrote:

Zimmerman should have gone to the Hospital but he could have refused
medical attention, he is an adult.

Maybe he didn't have insurance and couldn't pay a $5,000 ER bill along
with the $800 ambulance ride.

He should have waited a year.

BAR[_2_] May 1st 12 03:12 AM
The Right Wing Darling Zimmerman
 
In article ,
says...

On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:44:40 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...


I'm sorry, just where does the state say in this diatribe that they have
no evidence on this case?

Can you read?

Just a few from the above transcript

DE LA RIONDA: That is, Mr. Martin didn't turn around and start -- he
was minding his own business and Mr. Zimmerman's the one that
approached Mr. Martin, correct?

O'MARA: Let me object at this point you honor. Though great leeway is
given and I guess this is cross-examination, the concern is that he's
talking now about evidence that is completely not in evidence.

JUDGE KENNETH LESTER, JR., FLORIDA CIRCUIT COURT: What's the
objection?

O'MARA: The objection is he is presenting facts that are not in
evidence to the witness.

LESTER: Sustained.

.......

O'MARA: Do you have any evidence that supports who may have started
the fight?

GILBREATH: No.



O'MARA: That he turned back to his car. We'll start with that one.

GILBREATH: I have nothing to indicate he did not or did not to that.

O'MARA: My question was do you have any evidence to contradict or that
conflicts with his contention given before he knew any of the evidence
that would conflict with the fact that he stated I walked back to my
car?

GILBREATH: No.


DE LA RIONDA: But prior to that confrontation, Mr. Martin was minding
his own business? Is that correct?

O'MARA: Again, your honor, we point to -- and this is not in evidence
and he cannot present it that way to the witness.

LESTER: Sustained.

There are others but you are not interested in facts. Al Sharpton told
you what happened and it is gospel.

The police cannot testify to an event that they did not witness. Nor can
they testify on behalf of a witness who will not testify. It is all part
of the right of the accused to be faced by their accuser in a court of
law.

At least the judge isn't being led by the nose by the prosecutor.

BAR[_2_] May 1st 12 03:13 AM
The Right Wing Darling Zimmerman
 
In article ,
says...

On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 12:28:05 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 00:26:00 -0700, jps wrote:

On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 00:47:44 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:21:51 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sun, 29 Apr 2012 13:01:00 -0400, wrote:


... a kid who was beating the **** out of him.

How many times would your head have to hit the pavement before you
thought you were "in danger of great bodily harm"?

I guess I shouldn't be surprised you bought that bull****. If
Zimmerman would have shown any signs whatsoever of being subject to
the kind of trauma that would result in a concussion (which beating
the **** out of him would indeed imply) he'd have shown signs of it
and would have been taken immediately to the hospital for tests and
observation.

According to everyone who witnessed him, he was alert and doing well.

Whatever Greg, understand you need to be against the black kid because
you're a conservative in the south.


The legal question is not actual bodily harm, only the FEAR of great
bodily harm. There are pictures of two cuts in the back of his head
from the concrete. He was not required to wait for a concussion before
he had the right to defend himself.

Maybe it is different up where you live.

I speak of the EMT's who attended to him. Any sign of trauma to the
head and they would immediately take him to the hospital since the
liability could create a catastrophic situation for whomever the EMTs
work for.

He pursued the kid with a weapon against the advise of the 911
dispatcher and then found himself in a situation where he feared for
his life? Does that sound as stupid to you as it's going to sound to
a jury or will you convince yourself otherwise? They guy promoted and
invited the situation but you think "stand your ground" is going to
rule the day? Ridiculous.


I suppose it all comes down to the difference between pursuit and
simply following with the intent of maintaining visual contact.

Zimmerman has the legal right to watch someone and that is the legal
test. His story is that he lost sight of Martin and was approached
from behind as he returned to his truck.
Until the government comes up with evidence to break this story, the
case will go nowhere. The state's investigator said he did not have
any evidence about who initiated the confrontation at the bail
hearing.
Maybe Corey thinks she can have a "Jack McCoy" moment if she gets
Zimmerman on the stand but the chances are that he will never
testify.
The only real question now is if this simply gets tossed at an
immunity hearing and when that might happen.

He didn't just pursue him, he confronted him with a loaded pistol in
his possession. Zimmerman's account will be shredded by his own call
to 911. He invited this tragedy and deserves to account for the
killing of a teenager who had every right to be where he was.

You have confronted people with a deadly weapon in your possession, why
aren't you in jail?

iBoaterer[_2_] May 1st 12 01:43 PM
The Right Wing Darling Zimmerman
 
In article ,
says...

On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:20:41 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/30/12 5:10 PM, JustWait wrote:
harry spewed...

As for "race relations" in redneck/cracker areas of Florida, they remain
a continuing problem. I have no familiarity with your area of the state.


But of course you know all you need to know about Sanford... snerk


There's no shortage of articles about the sordid racial history of
Sanford, including recent times. Of course, you won't find that on that
Fake News station you so love.


CNN? That is the one that I have on most of the time. I have never
seen a story about Sanford there unless it was talking about the Auto
Train.

Maybe you should get your news from sources other than TV.

iBoaterer[_2_] May 1st 12 01:45 PM
The Right Wing Darling Zimmerman
 
In article , says...

On 4/30/2012 5:37 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/30/12 5:21 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:24:09 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/30/12 4:10 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:16:49 -0400, wrote:

In ,
 says...




Zimmerman has the legal right to watch someone and that is the legal
test.

And Martin had the legal right to be walking around at night.


They were both on firm legal grounds until Martin punched Zimmerman in
the nose.


Was that alleged event before or after the asshole pulled a gun on him?

I find it interesting that you can jump to the conclusion that
Zimmerman was an "asshole" who shot Martin for no reason but if
someone says Martin was a pot smoking thief with a chip on his
shoulder you say we are racists who are jumping to conclusions simply
based on his THREE suspensions from school and the things they found
in his back pack. .



Martin had no police arrest record. Zimmerman has an arrest record for
violence. Zimmerman was stalking the kid, probably confronted him, and
then pulled out his pistol.


If you listen to the transcripts (snerk) the judge seems to differ with
the whole "violence" notion.. He dismissed all of those "arrests" as
college folly, and wrote them off in reference to the case. But of
course harry, we don't expect you to accept that cause, well, you are a
liar...

Bull****! Show them to me. I know, I know, you won't.

iBoaterer[_2_] May 1st 12 01:50 PM
The Right Wing Darling Zimmerman
 
In article ,
says...

On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:37:05 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:


I find it interesting that you can jump to the conclusion that
Zimmerman was an "asshole" who shot Martin for no reason but if
someone says Martin was a pot smoking thief with a chip on his
shoulder you say we are racists who are jumping to conclusions simply
based on his THREE suspensions from school and the things they found
in his back pack. .



Martin had no police arrest record. Zimmerman has an arrest record for
violence. Zimmerman was stalking the kid, probably confronted him, and
then pulled out his pistol.

Zimmerman had the same charge laid on him as Skip Gates had from the
Cambridge Police, Resisting arrest and both were dropped.

As for the "confrontation", as I posted a few notes ago, the sworn
testimony of the lead detective is that they had no evidence about who
started the confrontation, that Zimmerman was not heading back to his
truck or who threw the first punch. That is all you and your buddies
making stories up with no facts..

No one is making up stories except you and Scotty. First you said the
"state said they have no evidence". What is wrong is the misleading by
elimination. There are specific things that the state said they had no
information about YET.

If this was a black separatist gang who shot an armored car guard you
would be telling us we are jumping to conclusions without any evidence
but this is a white guy.

*I* certainly wouldn't.

iBoaterer[_2_] May 1st 12 01:51 PM
The Right Wing Darling Zimmerman
 
In article , says...

On 4/30/2012 5:21 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:24:09 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/30/12 4:10 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:16:49 -0400, wrote:

In ,
 says...




Zimmerman has the legal right to watch someone and that is the legal
test.

And Martin had the legal right to be walking around at night.


They were both on firm legal grounds until Martin punched Zimmerman in
the nose.


Was that alleged event before or after the asshole pulled a gun on him?

I find it interesting that you can jump to the conclusion that
Zimmerman was an "asshole" who shot Martin for no reason but if
someone says Martin was a pot smoking thief with a chip on his
shoulder you say we are racists who are jumping to conclusions simply
based on his THREE suspensions from school and the things they found
in his back pack. .


You are way over-thinking this whole thing. It's just more election year
narrative, and all good democrats are just going along for the ride...

Gee, I personally never said anything racist or political about this
case, but you sure have.

JustWait[_2_] May 1st 12 01:51 PM
The Right Wing Darling Zimmerman
 
On 5/1/2012 8:45 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 4/30/2012 5:37 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 4/30/12 5:21 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:24:09 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/30/12 4:10 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:16:49 -0400, wrote:

In ,
 says...




Zimmerman has the legal right to watch someone and that is the legal
test.

And Martin had the legal right to be walking around at night.


They were both on firm legal grounds until Martin punched Zimmerman in
the nose.


Was that alleged event before or after the asshole pulled a gun on him?

I find it interesting that you can jump to the conclusion that
Zimmerman was an "asshole" who shot Martin for no reason but if
someone says Martin was a pot smoking thief with a chip on his
shoulder you say we are racists who are jumping to conclusions simply
based on his THREE suspensions from school and the things they found
in his back pack. .



Martin had no police arrest record. Zimmerman has an arrest record for
violence. Zimmerman was stalking the kid, probably confronted him, and
then pulled out his pistol.


If you listen to the transcripts (snerk) the judge seems to differ with
the whole "violence" notion.. He dismissed all of those "arrests" as
college folly, and wrote them off in reference to the case. But of
course harry, we don't expect you to accept that cause, well, you are a
liar...

Bull****! Show them to me. I know, I know, you won't.

I have told you before, do your own homework. When it becomes apparent
you have actually done your homework, then come talk to me...

iBoaterer[_2_] May 1st 12 01:52 PM
The Right Wing Darling Zimmerman
 
In article ,
says...

On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:44:40 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...


I'm sorry, just where does the state say in this diatribe that they have
no evidence on this case?

Can you read?

Just a few from the above transcript

DE LA RIONDA: That is, Mr. Martin didn't turn around and start -- he
was minding his own business and Mr. Zimmerman's the one that
approached Mr. Martin, correct?

O'MARA: Let me object at this point you honor. Though great leeway is
given and I guess this is cross-examination, the concern is that he's
talking now about evidence that is completely not in evidence.

JUDGE KENNETH LESTER, JR., FLORIDA CIRCUIT COURT: What's the
objection?

O'MARA: The objection is he is presenting facts that are not in
evidence to the witness.

LESTER: Sustained.

.......

O'MARA: Do you have any evidence that supports who may have started
the fight?

GILBREATH: No.



O'MARA: That he turned back to his car. We'll start with that one.

GILBREATH: I have nothing to indicate he did not or did not to that.

O'MARA: My question was do you have any evidence to contradict or that
conflicts with his contention given before he knew any of the evidence
that would conflict with the fact that he stated I walked back to my
car?

GILBREATH: No.


DE LA RIONDA: But prior to that confrontation, Mr. Martin was minding
his own business? Is that correct?

O'MARA: Again, your honor, we point to -- and this is not in evidence
and he cannot present it that way to the witness.

LESTER: Sustained.

There are others but you are not interested in facts. Al Sharpton told
you what happened and it is gospel.

NOWHERE, read that NOWHERE in that transcript does the state say they
have no evidence in this case.

iBoaterer[_2_] May 1st 12 01:53 PM
The Right Wing Darling Zimmerman
 
In article ,
says...

On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 22:12:26 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:44:40 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...


I'm sorry, just where does the state say in this diatribe that they have
no evidence on this case?

Can you read?

Just a few from the above transcript

DE LA RIONDA: That is, Mr. Martin didn't turn around and start -- he
was minding his own business and Mr. Zimmerman's the one that
approached Mr. Martin, correct?

O'MARA: Let me object at this point you honor. Though great leeway is
given and I guess this is cross-examination, the concern is that he's
talking now about evidence that is completely not in evidence.

JUDGE KENNETH LESTER, JR., FLORIDA CIRCUIT COURT: What's the
objection?

O'MARA: The objection is he is presenting facts that are not in
evidence to the witness.

LESTER: Sustained.

.......

O'MARA: Do you have any evidence that supports who may have started
the fight?

GILBREATH: No.



O'MARA: That he turned back to his car. We'll start with that one.

GILBREATH: I have nothing to indicate he did not or did not to that.

O'MARA: My question was do you have any evidence to contradict or that
conflicts with his contention given before he knew any of the evidence
that would conflict with the fact that he stated I walked back to my
car?

GILBREATH: No.


DE LA RIONDA: But prior to that confrontation, Mr. Martin was minding
his own business? Is that correct?

O'MARA: Again, your honor, we point to -- and this is not in evidence
and he cannot present it that way to the witness.

LESTER: Sustained.

There are others but you are not interested in facts. Al Sharpton told
you what happened and it is gospel.

The police cannot testify to an event that they did not witness. Nor can
they testify on behalf of a witness who will not testify. It is all part
of the right of the accused to be faced by their accuser in a court of
law.

At least the judge isn't being led by the nose by the prosecutor.



The question was "do you have any evidence" and the answer was "no".

Of a VERY SPECIFIC EVENT!!!! But then you and FOX turn it around to make
it sound like the state has no evidence in the whole case!!!


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 10:33 AM.
Page 7 of 20 123456 7 89101112131417 Last »
Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2014 BoatBanter.com