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On 4/14/2012 9:46 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 4/13/2012 1:00 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:31:41 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

The Zimmerman police call said Martin was walking slow and looking
INTO cars.

So you automatically believe everything Zimmerman says, regardless of
the audio of the phone call he was on to his girlfriend? Figures.

We only have 2 statements from what the girlfriend said, starting with
MARTIN initiating the confrontation and Zimmerman answering, then the
phone went dead.

We also have an indication that he stole things before. He was found
with a bag of womens jewelry and a burglary tool in school.

Was he charged with anything? Is this just hearsay? The "burglary tool"
in question was a screwdriver. It's a rough neighborhood where he went
to school, it could have been to defend himself. Funny thing, his
parents never heard about the alleged jewelry and "burglary tool"
screwdriver, just the graffiti.

The cops were still investigating when Martin was shot but cops do not
really investigate burglaries. That is why 99% are unsolved.

... and are you saying Martin brought a WEAPON into the school? That
is a felony right there.

Never heard or just aren't saying?

Oh and the pot, another felony. (any drugs within 1000' of a school,
zero tolerance, no lower limit)
This kid was dodging bullets, being a small time thug until he ran
into a bullet he couldn't dodge.
With the path he was on he was going to die face down in a pool of
blood, or go to jail. It was just a question of when

If this case gets to the point where they can rebut some statement
about what an angel Martin was I bet a lot more will come out about
his past. The defense certainly will have the chance to show any other
violence in Martin's past to reinforce the idea that he attacked
Zimmerman.

No marks on him, nothing.

No marks on Martin? The police report says Zimmerman was injured
(bleeding from the nose and back of the head)

I also don't buy this "child" thing.
After all Martin was less than a year away from being able to "join
the army, burn women, kids, houses and villages" (as Arlo would say)

And this has what to do with the case? Age has no meaning here.

It certainly makes the "child" thing less relevant. He was almost a
head taller than Zimmerman and at night, could have been pretty
fearsome. Particularly sitting on him banging his head on the ground.
That is the legal test, "fear"

Bout time somebody made a judgement based on the real evidence we have
available, and not the distorted and edited versions from MSNBC and the
other race baiters who got on to this case dishonestly...

Race baiters? YOU were the first one to bring up race. Oh, and you STILL
have not told me how Sharpton and Jackson stand to "profit" from this.
Cat got your tongue? And the victim's age makes no difference.

Haven't you learned yet. I am not going to deal with your hysterical
fantasies... I could answer your questions all day long, but you still
wouldn't get it, because you are either stupid, or you are dishonest.
Either way, I have no tolerance for it...

JustWait[_2_]

On 4/14/2012 9:48 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 4/13/2012 10:42 PM, thumper wrote:
On 4/13/2012 10:12 AM, wrote:

The police DISPATCHER (not a real officer) just said "we don't NEED
you to do that" which only says he was not being told he was being
asked to follow Martin, not that he couldn't.

I think this is biased interpretation. Granted the choice of words was
unfortunate but the intended meaning of the dispatcher was quite clear.
Don't follow.

And as far as we all know, he didn't... he turned to go back to his car
and was jumped.

How do you "know" that?

Asked and answered, next!?

iBoaterer[_2_]

In article , says...

On 4/14/2012 9:46 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 4/13/2012 1:00 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:31:41 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

The Zimmerman police call said Martin was walking slow and looking
INTO cars.

So you automatically believe everything Zimmerman says, regardless of
the audio of the phone call he was on to his girlfriend? Figures.

We only have 2 statements from what the girlfriend said, starting with
MARTIN initiating the confrontation and Zimmerman answering, then the
phone went dead.

We also have an indication that he stole things before. He was found
with a bag of womens jewelry and a burglary tool in school.

Was he charged with anything? Is this just hearsay? The "burglary tool"
in question was a screwdriver. It's a rough neighborhood where he went
to school, it could have been to defend himself. Funny thing, his
parents never heard about the alleged jewelry and "burglary tool"
screwdriver, just the graffiti.

The cops were still investigating when Martin was shot but cops do not
really investigate burglaries. That is why 99% are unsolved.

... and are you saying Martin brought a WEAPON into the school? That
is a felony right there.

Never heard or just aren't saying?

Oh and the pot, another felony. (any drugs within 1000' of a school,
zero tolerance, no lower limit)
This kid was dodging bullets, being a small time thug until he ran
into a bullet he couldn't dodge.
With the path he was on he was going to die face down in a pool of
blood, or go to jail. It was just a question of when

If this case gets to the point where they can rebut some statement
about what an angel Martin was I bet a lot more will come out about
his past. The defense certainly will have the chance to show any other
violence in Martin's past to reinforce the idea that he attacked
Zimmerman.

No marks on him, nothing.

No marks on Martin? The police report says Zimmerman was injured
(bleeding from the nose and back of the head)

I also don't buy this "child" thing.
After all Martin was less than a year away from being able to "join
the army, burn women, kids, houses and villages" (as Arlo would say)

And this has what to do with the case? Age has no meaning here.

It certainly makes the "child" thing less relevant. He was almost a
head taller than Zimmerman and at night, could have been pretty
fearsome. Particularly sitting on him banging his head on the ground.
That is the legal test, "fear"

Bout time somebody made a judgement based on the real evidence we have
available, and not the distorted and edited versions from MSNBC and the
other race baiters who got on to this case dishonestly...

Race baiters? YOU were the first one to bring up race. Oh, and you STILL
have not told me how Sharpton and Jackson stand to "profit" from this.
Cat got your tongue? And the victim's age makes no difference.

Haven't you learned yet. I am not going to deal with your hysterical
fantasies... I could answer your questions all day long, but you still
wouldn't get it, because you are either stupid, or you are dishonest.
Either way, I have no tolerance for it...

Yeah, right........

iBoaterer[_2_]

In article , says...

On 4/14/2012 9:48 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says...

On 4/13/2012 10:42 PM, thumper wrote:
On 4/13/2012 10:12 AM, wrote:

The police DISPATCHER (not a real officer) just said "we don't NEED
you to do that" which only says he was not being told he was being
asked to follow Martin, not that he couldn't.

I think this is biased interpretation. Granted the choice of words was
unfortunate but the intended meaning of the dispatcher was quite clear.
Don't follow.

And as far as we all know, he didn't... he turned to go back to his car
and was jumped.

How do you "know" that?

Asked and answered, next!?

Cite?

X ` Man[_3_]

On 4/14/12 7:52 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:11:55 -0400, wrote:

In ,
says...

On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:34:47 -0400, wrote:

You haven't heard? In Florida there is this case right now where a
vigilante, George Zimmerman, shot and killed a young mad, Treyvon Wilson
because he was walking with a soft drink and a bag of Skittles. He
claimed the kid was looking into cars at one point, but on his website
changed his story to say the kid was looking into houses.

That sounds horrible until you include the broken nose and the blood
on the back of Zimmerman's head.
We have not heard about a mark on Martin before he was shot or any
dirt on the back of that white hoodie.

There is no evidence of such. Why is it that you believe everything
Zimmerman and his friends say automatically?

Well there is the police report.

From a department with a long history of racism.

X ` Man[_3_]

On 4/14/12 8:08 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:16:37 -0400, wrote:

In ,

He called the police over 40 times and never shot anyone. There was
something different here and it was the actions of Martin

Yeah, you're right. The guy was scared, he according to the phone
conversation with his girlfriend, tried to walk away fast. Now please,
you keep defending Zimmerman, so let's see this evidence you have that
"the actions of Martin" led to his death.

If you trust the girl friend, Martin never made a civil gesture to
explain who he was and why he was there.
After all, this is private property, behind gates and fences and
Martin was a stranger.
The fight appears to have started immediately after Zimmerman asked
"what are you doing here"? (again according to Martin's girlfriend.)
Presumably the question was answered with a punch in the nose.

I keep hearing that Martin did not need to explain **** but that is
not really true.
If you don't live in a gated community you do not understand. These
people pay thousands of dollars a year to live behind gates so they
will not have strangers walking around.
Every resident is part owner of that street, that sidewalk and the
grass in between. They have the same right to ask a stranger what they
are doing there as you would have to ask someone why they were walking
across your patio.

I wouldn't have said a word to Zimmerman. I would have just kept on
walking to the house where a blood relative lived. If the property is
that private, I wonder who is called when police or firemen are needed.

Was the property properly posted with a sign that said, "Unless you live
here, keep out or our Doberman Zimmerman will chase after you with a
loaded firearm."

X ` Man

On 4/14/12 8:08 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:16:37 -0400, wrote:

In ,

He called the police over 40 times and never shot anyone. There was
something different here and it was the actions of Martin

Yeah, you're right. The guy was scared, he according to the phone
conversation with his girlfriend, tried to walk away fast. Now please,
you keep defending Zimmerman, so let's see this evidence you have that
"the actions of Martin" led to his death.

If you trust the girl friend, Martin never made a civil gesture to
explain who he was and why he was there.
After all, this is private property, behind gates and fences and
Martin was a stranger.
The fight appears to have started immediately after Zimmerman asked
"what are you doing here"? (again according to Martin's girlfriend.)
Presumably the question was answered with a punch in the nose.

I keep hearing that Martin did not need to explain **** but that is
not really true.
If you don't live in a gated community you do not understand. These
people pay thousands of dollars a year to live behind gates so they
will not have strangers walking around.
Every resident is part owner of that street, that sidewalk and the
grass in between. They have the same right to ask a stranger what they
are doing there as you would have to ask someone why they were walking
across your patio.

If I lived in that area, I'd do a little community organizing and lead
packs of cars and pedestrians through that gated community 24-7 for a
few weeks.

X ` Man[_3_]

On 4/14/12 9:57 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:21:20 -0400, X `
wrote:

On 4/14/12 8:08 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:16:37 -0400, wrote:

In ,

He called the police over 40 times and never shot anyone. There was
something different here and it was the actions of Martin

Yeah, you're right. The guy was scared, he according to the phone
conversation with his girlfriend, tried to walk away fast. Now please,
you keep defending Zimmerman, so let's see this evidence you have that
"the actions of Martin" led to his death.

If you trust the girl friend, Martin never made a civil gesture to
explain who he was and why he was there.
After all, this is private property, behind gates and fences and
Martin was a stranger.
The fight appears to have started immediately after Zimmerman asked
"what are you doing here"? (again according to Martin's girlfriend.)
Presumably the question was answered with a punch in the nose.

I keep hearing that Martin did not need to explain **** but that is
not really true.
If you don't live in a gated community you do not understand. These
people pay thousands of dollars a year to live behind gates so they
will not have strangers walking around.
Every resident is part owner of that street, that sidewalk and the
grass in between. They have the same right to ask a stranger what they
are doing there as you would have to ask someone why they were walking
across your patio.

If I lived in that area, I'd do a little community organizing and lead
packs of cars and pedestrians through that gated community 24-7 for a
few weeks.

You would go to jail for trespassing.

Good. That would be the point. Thousands of protesters jailed. A
never-ending demonstration. Just like the good old days.

thumper

On 4/14/2012 5:36 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:42:11 -0700, wrote:

I think this is biased interpretation. Granted the choice of words was
unfortunate but the intended meaning of the dispatcher was quite clear.
Don't follow.

You have to take words at what they are, not what they might be.

If they tell you that you don't "need" to eat all your peas, it
doesn't mean you can't.

Willful ignorance. The point was crystal clear.

BAR[_2_]

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 22:16:21 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 4/14/12 9:57 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:21:20 -0400, X `
wrote:

On 4/14/12 8:08 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:16:37 -0400, wrote:

In ,

He called the police over 40 times and never shot anyone. There was
something different here and it was the actions of Martin

Yeah, you're right. The guy was scared, he according to the phone
conversation with his girlfriend, tried to walk away fast. Now please,
you keep defending Zimmerman, so let's see this evidence you have that
"the actions of Martin" led to his death.

If you trust the girl friend, Martin never made a civil gesture to
explain who he was and why he was there.
After all, this is private property, behind gates and fences and
Martin was a stranger.
The fight appears to have started immediately after Zimmerman asked
"what are you doing here"? (again according to Martin's girlfriend.)
Presumably the question was answered with a punch in the nose.

I keep hearing that Martin did not need to explain **** but that is
not really true.
If you don't live in a gated community you do not understand. These
people pay thousands of dollars a year to live behind gates so they
will not have strangers walking around.
Every resident is part owner of that street, that sidewalk and the
grass in between. They have the same right to ask a stranger what they
are doing there as you would have to ask someone why they were walking
across your patio.

If I lived in that area, I'd do a little community organizing and lead
packs of cars and pedestrians through that gated community 24-7 for a
few weeks.

You would go to jail for trespassing.

Good. That would be the point. Thousands of protesters jailed. A
never-ending demonstration. Just like the good old days.

Come on down, join the rabble

Typical Krause, no respect for your private property. However, if you
step foot on his private property be ready to answer a gun shot.

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