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says... On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:56:10 -0400, JustWait wrote: On 3/14/2012 9:29 AM, wrote: On Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:56:50 PM UTC-4, Wayne. B wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:46:33 -0400, Happy wrote: Down here in SWFL we've actually got an R/C "Air Park" up on the north end of town. They fly all sorts of stuff there including jets. They used to be very common at military bases, but not so much anymore. === Given the high state of today's technology, there's a lot of potential for criminality of various sorts with an R/C model. Not really, Wayne. That's a pretty common misconception among the public, but I've been modeling off and on for 35+ years, and flying RC for the last 12 years. An RC airplane or helicopter's ability to deliver a payload is pretty limited, both in weight and in range. There are far more effective, easier and cheaper ways to accomplish what you're alluding to. The best use of RC technology for nefarious purposes is video surveillance using a helicopter. Oh, and High Power Rocketry, and the availability of those motors to the "public" is another one of those hobbies that get a bad rap. Opponents want to shut it down, claiming that they can be used to target an airplane, but that's highly unlikely to be successful. The military experimented with unguided rockets, and they never got close to a hit. Guided of course stand a much better chance, but by the time you've developed the technology, you could also develop your own motors, etc. There are obviously far easier methods, as we've seen very clearly over the last few years, unfortunately. These things are just hobbies that some people with over-active imaginations think might be used for evil. That kind of thinking leads to (has already led to) restricting the RC and Rocketry hobbies. It's completely ridiculous. /soapbox off/ :-) A lot of it too is the "just for me" progressives who want all open land for themselves. They hate Horses, bikes, quads, even bicycles if they can't afford one themselves or don't want to buy one... The scream about the noise or anything else they can think of. They tried to use the DEP to shut down our track, saying "someone might spill some oil".. Wow, out in the middle of nowhere, a drop of oil!? They just like walking down there by the river, don't want to share any of the land with the bikes... Make it political. Unreal. And unhinged. |
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says... On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:27:53 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article 22882974.3759.1331731749391.JavaMail.geo-discussion- forums@vbtf26, says... On Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:56:50 PM UTC-4, Wayne. B wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:46:33 -0400, Happy John wrote: Down here in SWFL we've actually got an R/C "Air Park" up on the north end of town. They fly all sorts of stuff there including jets. They used to be very common at military bases, but not so much anymore. === Given the high state of today's technology, there's a lot of potential for criminality of various sorts with an R/C model. Not really, Wayne. That's a pretty common misconception among the public, but I've been modeling off and on for 35+ years, and flying RC for the last 12 years. An RC airplane or helicopter's ability to deliver a payload is pretty limited, both in weight and in range. There are far more effective, easier and cheaper ways to accomplish what you're alluding to. The best use of RC technology for nefarious purposes is video surveillance using a helicopter. Oh, and High Power Rocketry, and the availability of those motors to the "public" is another one of those hobbies that get a bad rap. Opponents want to shut it down, claiming that they can be used to target an airplane, but that's highly unlikely to be successful. The military experimented with unguided rockets, and they never got close to a hit. Guided of course stand a much better chance, but by the time you've developed the technology, you could also develop your own motors, etc. There are obviously far easier methods, as we've seen very clearly over the last few years, unfortunately. These things are just hobbies that some people with over-active imaginations think might be used for evil. That kind of thinking leads to (has already led to) restricting the RC and Rocketry hobbies. It's completely ridiculous. /soapbox off/ :-) I dabbled in R/C planes, but with mixed results! I never really got the hang of bringing the plane back because everything is backwards then! I could go outbound nicely, but coming back was hell! That's the way it is in the real world also. No it's not. You are still situated in the plane the same way in real life, or do you sit backwards when you come back? |
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On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:27:53 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 22882974.3759.1331731749391.JavaMail.geo-discussion- forums@vbtf26, says... On Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:56:50 PM UTC-4, Wayne. B wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:46:33 -0400, Happy John wrote: Down here in SWFL we've actually got an R/C "Air Park" up on the north end of town. They fly all sorts of stuff there including jets. They used to be very common at military bases, but not so much anymore. === Given the high state of today's technology, there's a lot of potential for criminality of various sorts with an R/C model. Not really, Wayne. That's a pretty common misconception among the public, but I've been modeling off and on for 35+ years, and flying RC for the last 12 years. An RC airplane or helicopter's ability to deliver a payload is pretty limited, both in weight and in range. There are far more effective, easier and cheaper ways to accomplish what you're alluding to. The best use of RC technology for nefarious purposes is video surveillance using a helicopter. Oh, and High Power Rocketry, and the availability of those motors to the "public" is another one of those hobbies that get a bad rap. Opponents want to shut it down, claiming that they can be used to target an airplane, but that's highly unlikely to be successful. The military experimented with unguided rockets, and they never got close to a hit. Guided of course stand a much better chance, but by the time you've developed the technology, you could also develop your own motors, etc. There are obviously far easier methods, as we've seen very clearly over the last few years, unfortunately. These things are just hobbies that some people with over-active imaginations think might be used for evil. That kind of thinking leads to (has already led to) restricting the RC and Rocketry hobbies. It's completely ridiculous. /soapbox off/ :-) I dabbled in R/C planes, but with mixed results! I never really got the hang of bringing the plane back because everything is backwards then! I could go outbound nicely, but coming back was hell! As a learning crutch lots of people just orient the transmitter in the same direction as the plane (like when it's flying away from you) and swivel their head around to look at the plane. That way the stick movements are still natural. After a while you get the hang of it. More than one "real" pilot has come to the field with a nice, new R/C plane, not a trainer, and thought they'd just fire it up and be flying in no time. Usually won't accept any help or advice, after all they fly the real thing. Then after picking up the pieces they leave and never come back, or swallow their pride and we get them on a trainer plane with a buddy box transmitter. It's so different from sitting in the real thing that it's almost not even helpful being a pilot. In many ways it's more difficult to fly an R/C plane. One advantage... R/C pilots get to walk *toward* the scene of the crash! :-) |
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On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:58:13 PM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:27:53 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article 22882974.3759.1331731749391.JavaMail.geo-discussion- forums@vbtf26, says... On Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:56:50 PM UTC-4, Wayne. B wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:46:33 -0400, Happy John wrote: Down here in SWFL we've actually got an R/C "Air Park" up on the north end of town. They fly all sorts of stuff there including jets. They used to be very common at military bases, but not so much anymore. === Given the high state of today's technology, there's a lot of potential for criminality of various sorts with an R/C model. Not really, Wayne. That's a pretty common misconception among the public, but I've been modeling off and on for 35+ years, and flying RC for the last 12 years. An RC airplane or helicopter's ability to deliver a payload is pretty limited, both in weight and in range. There are far more effective, easier and cheaper ways to accomplish what you're alluding to. The best use of RC technology for nefarious purposes is video surveillance using a helicopter. Oh, and High Power Rocketry, and the availability of those motors to the "public" is another one of those hobbies that get a bad rap. Opponents want to shut it down, claiming that they can be used to target an airplane, but that's highly unlikely to be successful. The military experimented with unguided rockets, and they never got close to a hit. Guided of course stand a much better chance, but by the time you've developed the technology, you could also develop your own motors, etc. There are obviously far easier methods, as we've seen very clearly over the last few years, unfortunately. These things are just hobbies that some people with over-active imaginations think might be used for evil. That kind of thinking leads to (has already led to) restricting the RC and Rocketry hobbies. It's completely ridiculous. /soapbox off/ :-) I dabbled in R/C planes, but with mixed results! I never really got the hang of bringing the plane back because everything is backwards then! I could go outbound nicely, but coming back was hell! That's the way it is in the real world also. While you probably meant is that landing is hell, but what he really meant is that when an R/C plane is landing, and half the time it's flying, the controls are backwards. When it's flying away from you, you move the transmitter stick to the right and the plane banks right. But when it's flying toward you, you move the stick to the right and the plane banks left (but it's still to the plane's right). The controls are reversed for your vantage point, but still correct for the plane's. It's one of the hardest things to get accustomed to when learning. |
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In article 11945352.555.1331817408515.JavaMail.geo-discussion-
forums@ynlt15, says... On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:27:53 AM UTC-4, iBoaterer wrote: In article 22882974.3759.1331731749391.JavaMail.geo-discussion- forums@vbtf26, says... On Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:56:50 PM UTC-4, Wayne. B wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:46:33 -0400, Happy John wrote: Down here in SWFL we've actually got an R/C "Air Park" up on the north end of town. They fly all sorts of stuff there including jets. They used to be very common at military bases, but not so much anymore. === Given the high state of today's technology, there's a lot of potential for criminality of various sorts with an R/C model. Not really, Wayne. That's a pretty common misconception among the public, but I've been modeling off and on for 35+ years, and flying RC for the last 12 years. An RC airplane or helicopter's ability to deliver a payload is pretty limited, both in weight and in range. There are far more effective, easier and cheaper ways to accomplish what you're alluding to. The best use of RC technology for nefarious purposes is video surveillance using a helicopter. Oh, and High Power Rocketry, and the availability of those motors to the "public" is another one of those hobbies that get a bad rap. Opponents want to shut it down, claiming that they can be used to target an airplane, but that's highly unlikely to be successful. The military experimented with unguided rockets, and they never got close to a hit. Guided of course stand a much better chance, but by the time you've developed the technology, you could also develop your own motors, etc. There are obviously far easier methods, as we've seen very clearly over the last few years, unfortunately. These things are just hobbies that some people with over-active imaginations think might be used for evil. That kind of thinking leads to (has already led to) restricting the RC and Rocketry hobbies. It's completely ridiculous. /soapbox off/ :-) I dabbled in R/C planes, but with mixed results! I never really got the hang of bringing the plane back because everything is backwards then! I could go outbound nicely, but coming back was hell! As a learning crutch lots of people just orient the transmitter in the same direction as the plane (like when it's flying away from you) and swivel their head around to look at the plane. That way the stick movements are still natural. After a while you get the hang of it. More than one "real" pilot has come to the field with a nice, new R/C plane, not a trainer, and thought they'd just fire it up and be flying in no time. Usually won't accept any help or advice, after all they fly the real thing. Then after picking up the pieces they leave and never come back, or swallow their pride and we get them on a trainer plane with a buddy box transmitter. It's so different from sitting in the real thing that it's almost not even helpful being a pilot. In many ways it's more difficult to fly an R/C plane. One advantage... R/C pilots get to walk *toward* the scene of the crash! :-) That's an interesting idea! And I agree in some ways it is more difficult to fly an R/C plane! I broke the first one I had the first time I flew it. It isn't intuitive to me at all, because I can't feel what the plane is doing, I don't know whether it's about to stall, or what! I was horrible at level flight as well, I was either climbing or descending! |
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On 3/15/2012 9:30 AM, wrote:
On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:58:13 PM UTC-4, John H wrote: On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:27:53 -0400, wrote: In article22882974.3759.1331731749391.JavaMail.geo-discussion- forums@vbtf26, says... On Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:56:50 PM UTC-4, Wayne. B wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:46:33 -0400, Happy wrote: Down here in SWFL we've actually got an R/C "Air Park" up on the north end of town. They fly all sorts of stuff there including jets. They used to be very common at military bases, but not so much anymore. === Given the high state of today's technology, there's a lot of potential for criminality of various sorts with an R/C model. Not really, Wayne. That's a pretty common misconception among the public, but I've been modeling off and on for 35+ years, and flying RC for the last 12 years. An RC airplane or helicopter's ability to deliver a payload is pretty limited, both in weight and in range. There are far more effective, easier and cheaper ways to accomplish what you're alluding to. The best use of RC technology for nefarious purposes is video surveillance using a helicopter. Oh, and High Power Rocketry, and the availability of those motors to the "public" is another one of those hobbies that get a bad rap. Opponents want to shut it down, claiming that they can be used to target an airplane, but that's highly unlikely to be successful. The military experimented with unguided rockets, and they never got close to a hit. Guided of course stand a much better chance, but by the time you've developed the technology, you could also develop your own motors, etc. There are obviously far easier methods, as we've seen very clearly over the last few years, unfortunately. These things are just hobbies that some people with over-active imaginations think might be used for evil. That kind of thinking leads to (has already led to) restricting the RC and Rocketry hobbies. It's completely ridiculous. /soapbox off/ :-) I dabbled in R/C planes, but with mixed results! I never really got the hang of bringing the plane back because everything is backwards then! I could go outbound nicely, but coming back was hell! That's the way it is in the real world also. While you probably meant is that landing is hell, but what he really meant is that when an R/C plane is landing, and half the time it's flying, the controls are backwards. When it's flying away from you, you move the transmitter stick to the right and the plane banks right. But when it's flying toward you, you move the stick to the right and the plane banks left (but it's still to the plane's right). The controls are reversed for your vantage point, but still correct for the plane's. It's one of the hardest things to get accustomed to when learning. Same thing using an RC car too... ....or boat for that matter. |
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On 3/15/2012 9:30 AM, wrote: On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:58:13 PM UTC-4, John H wrote: On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:27:53 -0400, wrote: In article22882974.3759.1331731749391.JavaMail.geo-discussion- forums@vbtf26, says... On Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:56:50 PM UTC-4, Wayne. B wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:46:33 -0400, Happy wrote: Down here in SWFL we've actually got an R/C "Air Park" up on the north end of town. They fly all sorts of stuff there including jets. They used to be very common at military bases, but not so much anymore. === Given the high state of today's technology, there's a lot of potential for criminality of various sorts with an R/C model. Not really, Wayne. That's a pretty common misconception among the public, but I've been modeling off and on for 35+ years, and flying RC for the last 12 years. An RC airplane or helicopter's ability to deliver a payload is pretty limited, both in weight and in range. There are far more effective, easier and cheaper ways to accomplish what you're alluding to. The best use of RC technology for nefarious purposes is video surveillance using a helicopter. Oh, and High Power Rocketry, and the availability of those motors to the "public" is another one of those hobbies that get a bad rap. Opponents want to shut it down, claiming that they can be used to target an airplane, but that's highly unlikely to be successful. The military experimented with unguided rockets, and they never got close to a hit. Guided of course stand a much better chance, but by the time you've developed the technology, you could also develop your own motors, etc. There are obviously far easier methods, as we've seen very clearly over the last few years, unfortunately. These things are just hobbies that some people with over-active imaginations think might be used for evil. That kind of thinking leads to (has already led to) restricting the RC and Rocketry hobbies. It's completely ridiculous. /soapbox off/ :-) I dabbled in R/C planes, but with mixed results! I never really got the hang of bringing the plane back because everything is backwards then! I could go outbound nicely, but coming back was hell! That's the way it is in the real world also. While you probably meant is that landing is hell, but what he really meant is that when an R/C plane is landing, and half the time it's flying, the controls are backwards. When it's flying away from you, you move the transmitter stick to the right and the plane banks right. But when it's flying toward you, you move the stick to the right and the plane banks left (but it's still to the plane's right). The controls are reversed for your vantage point, but still correct for the plane's. It's one of the hardest things to get accustomed to when learning. Same thing using an RC car too... ...or boat for that matter. With a plane you have more directions to control, though~! |
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:58:15 -0400, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:27:53 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article 22882974.3759.1331731749391.JavaMail.geo-discussion- forums@vbtf26, says... On Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:56:50 PM UTC-4, Wayne. B wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:46:33 -0400, Happy John wrote: Down here in SWFL we've actually got an R/C "Air Park" up on the north end of town. They fly all sorts of stuff there including jets. They used to be very common at military bases, but not so much anymore. === Given the high state of today's technology, there's a lot of potential for criminality of various sorts with an R/C model. Not really, Wayne. That's a pretty common misconception among the public, but I've been modeling off and on for 35+ years, and flying RC for the last 12 years. An RC airplane or helicopter's ability to deliver a payload is pretty limited, both in weight and in range. There are far more effective, easier and cheaper ways to accomplish what you're alluding to. The best use of RC technology for nefarious purposes is video surveillance using a helicopter. Oh, and High Power Rocketry, and the availability of those motors to the "public" is another one of those hobbies that get a bad rap. Opponents want to shut it down, claiming that they can be used to target an airplane, but that's highly unlikely to be successful. The military experimented with unguided rockets, and they never got close to a hit. Guided of course stand a much better chance, but by the time you've developed the technology, you could also develop your own motors, etc. There are obviously far easier methods, as we've seen very clearly over the last few years, unfortunately. These things are just hobbies that some people with over-active imaginations think might be used for evil. That kind of thinking leads to (has already led to) restricting the RC and Rocketry hobbies. It's completely ridiculous. /soapbox off/ :-) I dabbled in R/C planes, but with mixed results! I never really got the hang of bringing the plane back because everything is backwards then! I could go outbound nicely, but coming back was hell! That's the way it is in the real world also. No it's not. You are still situated in the plane the same way in real life, or do you sit backwards when you come back? Hopefully you've not turned your back on the model when landing, so you're still situated the same with respect to your model. And, I was referring, for the most part, to your last sentence. But, Kevin, I can see where I gave you enough room to attempt an argument. So...my bad. |
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says... On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 08:58:15 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:27:53 -0400, iBoaterer wrote: In article 22882974.3759.1331731749391.JavaMail.geo-discussion- forums@vbtf26, says... On Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:56:50 PM UTC-4, Wayne. B wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:46:33 -0400, Happy John wrote: Down here in SWFL we've actually got an R/C "Air Park" up on the north end of town. They fly all sorts of stuff there including jets. They used to be very common at military bases, but not so much anymore. === Given the high state of today's technology, there's a lot of potential for criminality of various sorts with an R/C model. Not really, Wayne. That's a pretty common misconception among the public, but I've been modeling off and on for 35+ years, and flying RC for the last 12 years. An RC airplane or helicopter's ability to deliver a payload is pretty limited, both in weight and in range. There are far more effective, easier and cheaper ways to accomplish what you're alluding to. The best use of RC technology for nefarious purposes is video surveillance using a helicopter. Oh, and High Power Rocketry, and the availability of those motors to the "public" is another one of those hobbies that get a bad rap. Opponents want to shut it down, claiming that they can be used to target an airplane, but that's highly unlikely to be successful. The military experimented with unguided rockets, and they never got close to a hit. Guided of course stand a much better chance, but by the time you've developed the technology, you could also develop your own motors, etc. There are obviously far easier methods, as we've seen very clearly over the last few years, unfortunately. These things are just hobbies that some people with over-active imaginations think might be used for evil. That kind of thinking leads to (has already led to) restricting the RC and Rocketry hobbies. It's completely ridiculous. /soapbox off/ :-) I dabbled in R/C planes, but with mixed results! I never really got the hang of bringing the plane back because everything is backwards then! I could go outbound nicely, but coming back was hell! That's the way it is in the real world also. No it's not. You are still situated in the plane the same way in real life, or do you sit backwards when you come back? Hopefully you've not turned your back on the model when landing, so you're still situated the same with respect to your model. And, I was referring, for the most part, to your last sentence. But, Kevin, I can see where I gave you enough room to attempt an argument. So...my bad. **** you. |
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