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Told you the Volt was dead...
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Told you, and you laughed... snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... |
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On 3/4/12 9:20 AM, JustWait wrote:
http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...lectric-lemon/ snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... If you believe that, you ought to try it sometime. |
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On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 09:20:57 -0500, JustWait
wrote: http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...g-the-plug-on- a-government-funded-electric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed... snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... I read that Volt production is suspended for 5 weeks so that demand can catch up with production. Progressives rejoice. It ain't quite dead yet. |
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On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 10:36:10 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...g-the-plug-on- a-government-funded-electric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed... snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Has nothing to do with the technology and everything to do with the sales. Snake oil doesn't sell well in The good old USA By the way, you sound a teensy bit more masculine than you did when you posted as plume. Which leads to the question. Are you male, female, or something else? |
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says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 10:36:10 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...g-the-plug-on- a-government-funded-electric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed... snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Has nothing to do with the technology and everything to do with the sales. Snake oil doesn't sell well in The good old USA By the way, you sound a teensy bit more masculine than you did when you posted as plume. Which leads to the question. Are you male, female, or something else? Hint for the misinformed: I never posted as "plume". |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 09:35:24 -0500, BAR wrote:
In article , says... http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...lectric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed... snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Jeffrey Immelt, the CEO of GE who doesn't pay taxes, will have to find another vehicle to force his people who have company cars to purchase and drive. http://gas2.org/2012/02/20/ge-forcin...o-chevy-volts/ === With all due respect Bert, that sounds like a regurgitation from a Rush Limbaugh rant. The republican party needs to put a muzzle on that dude before he alienates every swing voter in the country. I think the jury is still out on electric cars but any program at all which encourages energy independence is a good thing in my opinion. |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
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says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 09:35:24 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...lectric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed... snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Jeffrey Immelt, the CEO of GE who doesn't pay taxes, will have to find another vehicle to force his people who have company cars to purchase and drive. http://gas2.org/2012/02/20/ge-forcin...o-chevy-volts/ === With all due respect Bert, that sounds like a regurgitation from a Rush Limbaugh rant. The republican party needs to put a muzzle on that dude before he alienates every swing voter in the country. I think the jury is still out on electric cars but any program at all which encourages energy independence is a good thing in my opinion. Exactly! I don't know why so many far right wingers are against getting us off of oil. |
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On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 10:36:10 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...lectric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed... snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Has nothing to do with the technology and everything to do with the sales. It has everything to do with the COST of the technology tho. Basically the problem is battery cost vs price. These things are rich man's toys. If saving money is your objective, buy a Cruze and put the left over $20,000-30,000 toward gas. I understand the government will subsidize your electric car purchase to make that price delta look more attractive but that does not reduce the cost, it only transfers it to people who can't afford to buy one. ----------------------------------- Very true. Look at the subsidy for a Tesla. Average income of a Tesla buyer? $250k. As to technology. In 1919 an electric car got 30 miles to the charge. What does a Volt get? 30 miles. Not a lot of technology improvement in nearly a 100 years. Still down to battery technology. Plus where is the power to charge going to come from? They say no pollution. What about that coal or oil fired generating plant? |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
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says... In article , says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 09:35:24 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...lectric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed... snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Jeffrey Immelt, the CEO of GE who doesn't pay taxes, will have to find another vehicle to force his people who have company cars to purchase and drive. http://gas2.org/2012/02/20/ge-forcin...o-chevy-volts/ === With all due respect Bert, that sounds like a regurgitation from a Rush Limbaugh rant. The republican party needs to put a muzzle on that dude before he alienates every swing voter in the country. I think the jury is still out on electric cars but any program at all which encourages energy independence is a good thing in my opinion. Exactly! I don't know why so many far right wingers are against getting us off of oil. The alternatives are not cost effective and you cannot turn the wind on when you need more power nor can you turn the Sun on when it is night time. |
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says... On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 09:20:57 -0500, JustWait wrote: http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...lectric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed... snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Maybe if all of the whiny-ass neo-cons would quit badmouthing the car, people would buy it. Maybe you WANT to continue supporting Arab Oil. You said the Volt was dead, obviously, you are entirely wrong again. A five week suspension in production is hardly a death. Truer words have never been spoken. |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
In article ,
says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 09:35:24 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...lectric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed... snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Jeffrey Immelt, the CEO of GE who doesn't pay taxes, will have to find another vehicle to force his people who have company cars to purchase and drive. http://gas2.org/2012/02/20/ge-forcin...o-chevy-volts/ === With all due respect Bert, that sounds like a regurgitation from a Rush Limbaugh rant. The republican party needs to put a muzzle on that dude before he alienates every swing voter in the country. With all due respect Wayne, the Republican party doesn't control Rush Limbaugh and Rush Limbaugh doesn't control the Republican party. Rush will rise or fall based upon his audience and advertisers. The Republican party leadership has lost its way and holds no sway over the grass roots. Debbie Wasserman Schultz needs to be muzzled due to her alienating swing voters. Every time she speaks she lies. The street has people on both sides ****ing off people on the other side of the street. I think the jury is still out on electric cars but any program at all which encourages energy independence is a good thing in my opinion. The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
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says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 09:35:24 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...lectric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed... snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Jeffrey Immelt, the CEO of GE who doesn't pay taxes, will have to find another vehicle to force his people who have company cars to purchase and drive. http://gas2.org/2012/02/20/ge-forcin...o-chevy-volts/ If my employer "forced" me to drive a company car, I wouldn't bitch about who made it. But maybe you feel entitled to force your employer to chose the car of YOUR choice? I have never had a job where my employer provided me with a car or a car allowance. |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
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says... In article , says... In article , says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 09:35:24 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...lectric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed... snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Jeffrey Immelt, the CEO of GE who doesn't pay taxes, will have to find another vehicle to force his people who have company cars to purchase and drive. http://gas2.org/2012/02/20/ge-forcin...o-chevy-volts/ === With all due respect Bert, that sounds like a regurgitation from a Rush Limbaugh rant. The republican party needs to put a muzzle on that dude before he alienates every swing voter in the country. I think the jury is still out on electric cars but any program at all which encourages energy independence is a good thing in my opinion. Exactly! I don't know why so many far right wingers are against getting us off of oil. The alternatives are not cost effective and you cannot turn the wind on when you need more power nor can you turn the Sun on when it is night time. And there is a finite quantity of oil. |
Told you the Volt was dead...
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says... On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 09:20:57 -0500, JustWait wrote: http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...lectric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed... snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Maybe if all of the whiny-ass neo-cons would quit badmouthing the car, people would buy it. Maybe you WANT to continue supporting Arab Oil. Why would we stop bad mouthing a car that is a useless pile of junk? I have already proved that you can buy a car for $10,000 new and drive it for hundreds of thousands of miles before you reach the acquisition cost of a Volt. I don't want to support Arab Oil, I want to support US Oil. Drill here, drill now. You said the Volt was dead, obviously, you are entirely wrong again. A five week suspension in production is hardly a death. We will see if they restart production. They have dealers who refuse to order Volt's and who refuse to have Volts pushed onto them. There must be a reason that the Chevy's own dealers don't want the cars on their lots. |
Told you the Volt was dead...
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says... In article , says... http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...lectric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed... snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Has nothing to do with the technology and everything to do with the sales. It could be that people don't want to park a potential fire hazard in their garages. |
Told you the Volt was dead...
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says... In article , says... On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 09:20:57 -0500, JustWait wrote: http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...lectric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed... snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Maybe if all of the whiny-ass neo-cons would quit badmouthing the car, people would buy it. Maybe you WANT to continue supporting Arab Oil. Why would we stop bad mouthing a car that is a useless pile of junk? I have already proved that you can buy a car for $10,000 new and drive it for hundreds of thousands of miles before you reach the acquisition cost of a Volt. I don't want to support Arab Oil, I want to support US Oil. Drill here, drill now. Oil is a finite resource. Let alone old technology. You said the Volt was dead, obviously, you are entirely wrong again. A five week suspension in production is hardly a death. We will see if they restart production. They have dealers who refuse to order Volt's and who refuse to have Volts pushed onto them. There must be a reason that the Chevy's own dealers don't want the cars on their lots. Cite? |
Told you the Volt was dead...
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says... In article , says... In article , says... http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...lectric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed... snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Has nothing to do with the technology and everything to do with the sales. It could be that people don't want to park a potential fire hazard in their garages. A tank full of gasoline is, indeed a fire hazard. |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
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says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 09:35:24 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...lectric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed... snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Jeffrey Immelt, the CEO of GE who doesn't pay taxes, will have to find another vehicle to force his people who have company cars to purchase and drive. http://gas2.org/2012/02/20/ge-forcin...o-chevy-volts/ === With all due respect Bert, that sounds like a regurgitation from a Rush Limbaugh rant. The republican party needs to put a muzzle on that dude before he alienates every swing voter in the country. I think the jury is still out on electric cars but any program at all which encourages energy independence is a good thing in my opinion. Exactly! I don't know why so many far right wingers are against getting us off of oil. The alternatives are not cost effective and you cannot turn the wind on when you need more power nor can you turn the Sun on when it is night time. And there is a finite quantity of oil. The amount of oil in North America makes Arabia look like an oil can compared to a tanker truck. |
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says... In article , says... In article , says... On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 09:20:57 -0500, JustWait wrote: http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...lectric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed... snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Maybe if all of the whiny-ass neo-cons would quit badmouthing the car, people would buy it. Maybe you WANT to continue supporting Arab Oil. Why would we stop bad mouthing a car that is a useless pile of junk? I have already proved that you can buy a car for $10,000 new and drive it for hundreds of thousands of miles before you reach the acquisition cost of a Volt. I don't want to support Arab Oil, I want to support US Oil. Drill here, drill now. Oil is a finite resource. Let alone old technology. Oil is a new technology. It is only about 170 years old. You said the Volt was dead, obviously, you are entirely wrong again. A five week suspension in production is hardly a death. We will see if they restart production. They have dealers who refuse to order Volt's and who refuse to have Volts pushed onto them. There must be a reason that the Chevy's own dealers don't want the cars on their lots. Cite? http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...ers-rejection- volt-allocation/ http://www.dailytech.com/Some+Chevro...g+on+Volt+EVs+ After+Fire+Concerns+Dwindling+Customer+Interest/article23852.htm http://www.opposingviews.com/i/polit...-green-%E2%80% 9Cfield-dreams%E2%80%9D |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
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says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 09:35:24 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...lectric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed... snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Jeffrey Immelt, the CEO of GE who doesn't pay taxes, will have to find another vehicle to force his people who have company cars to purchase and drive. http://gas2.org/2012/02/20/ge-forcin...o-chevy-volts/ === With all due respect Bert, that sounds like a regurgitation from a Rush Limbaugh rant. The republican party needs to put a muzzle on that dude before he alienates every swing voter in the country. I think the jury is still out on electric cars but any program at all which encourages energy independence is a good thing in my opinion. Exactly! I don't know why so many far right wingers are against getting us off of oil. The alternatives are not cost effective and you cannot turn the wind on when you need more power nor can you turn the Sun on when it is night time. And there is a finite quantity of oil. The amount of oil in North America makes Arabia look like an oil can compared to a tanker truck. Or so says FOX. So you think we should go to any length to get it, like the oil sands of Canada? Isn't this a lovely sight: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/20...nd-landscapes/ Our whole country could look like that! |
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says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 09:20:57 -0500, JustWait wrote: http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...lectric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed... snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Maybe if all of the whiny-ass neo-cons would quit badmouthing the car, people would buy it. Maybe you WANT to continue supporting Arab Oil. Why would we stop bad mouthing a car that is a useless pile of junk? I have already proved that you can buy a car for $10,000 new and drive it for hundreds of thousands of miles before you reach the acquisition cost of a Volt. I don't want to support Arab Oil, I want to support US Oil. Drill here, drill now. Oil is a finite resource. Let alone old technology. Oil is a new technology. It is only about 170 years old. Now that's the typical Republican response to technology! You said the Volt was dead, obviously, you are entirely wrong again. A five week suspension in production is hardly a death. We will see if they restart production. They have dealers who refuse to order Volt's and who refuse to have Volts pushed onto them. There must be a reason that the Chevy's own dealers don't want the cars on their lots. Cite? http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...ers-rejection- volt-allocation/ http://www.dailytech.com/Some+Chevro...g+on+Volt+EVs+ After+Fire+Concerns+Dwindling+Customer+Interest/article23852.htm http://www.opposingviews.com/i/polit...-green-%E2%80% 9Cfield-dreams%E2%80%9D And NONE of those are peer reviewed studies, so it's just hearsay and speculation, right? |
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On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:37:27 -0500, wrote:
In article , says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 09:35:24 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...g-the-plug-on- a-government-funded-electric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed... snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Jeffrey Immelt, the CEO of GE who doesn't pay taxes, will have to find another vehicle to force his people who have company cars to purchase and drive. http://gas2.org/2012/02/20/ge-forcin...o-chevy-volts/ If my employer "forced" me to drive a company car, I wouldn't bitch about who made it. But maybe you feel entitled to force your employer to chose the car of YOUR choice? I have never had a job where my employer provided me with a car or a car allowance. I have. It's a pretty nice perk. |
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On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, BAR wrote:
The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. === I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf. Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes. The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was right. It would be great for running short errands and the like, running on gas for the occasional longer trip. |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
On 3/4/2012 1:30 PM, BAR wrote:
In , says... In , says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 09:35:24 -0500, wrote: In , says... http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...lectric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed...snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Jeffrey Immelt, the CEO of GE who doesn't pay taxes, will have to find another vehicle to force his people who have company cars to purchase and drive. http://gas2.org/2012/02/20/ge-forcin...o-chevy-volts/ === With all due respect Bert, that sounds like a regurgitation from a Rush Limbaugh rant. The republican party needs to put a muzzle on that dude before he alienates every swing voter in the country. I think the jury is still out on electric cars but any program at all which encourages energy independence is a good thing in my opinion. Exactly! I don't know why so many far right wingers are against getting us off of oil. The alternatives are not cost effective and you cannot turn the wind on when you need more power nor can you turn the Sun on when it is night time. It is the policy of this administration to make the lame technology that is "green" energy competitive by raising the price of the other options... They have been clear about this since before he became President. |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
On 3/4/2012 1:35 PM, BAR wrote:
In , says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 09:35:24 -0500, wrote: In , says... http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...lectric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed...snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Jeffrey Immelt, the CEO of GE who doesn't pay taxes, will have to find another vehicle to force his people who have company cars to purchase and drive. http://gas2.org/2012/02/20/ge-forcin...o-chevy-volts/ === With all due respect Bert, that sounds like a regurgitation from a Rush Limbaugh rant. The republican party needs to put a muzzle on that dude before he alienates every swing voter in the country. With all due respect Wayne, the Republican party doesn't control Rush Limbaugh and Rush Limbaugh doesn't control the Republican party. Rush will rise or fall based upon his audience and advertisers. The Republican party leadership has lost its way and holds no sway over the grass roots. Debbie Wasserman Schultz needs to be muzzled due to her alienating swing voters. Every time she speaks she lies. The street has people on both sides ****ing off people on the other side of the street. I think the jury is still out on electric cars but any program at all which encourages energy independence is a good thing in my opinion. The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. I say as long as batteries are what they are, the jury is indeed out, and electric cars are dead... |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
On 3/4/2012 5:20 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, wrote: The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. === I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf. Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes. The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was right. It would be great for running short errands and the like, running on gas for the occasional longer trip. The problem Wayne, is the administration is trying to make these cars feasible by raising the cost of the alternatives so they have talking points... Right now it takes almost ten years to recover the price of the car, when they get the gas up to 8 dollars a gallon, they can say "look, you recover your investment in three years!"... They said they were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by the price of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are spending is killing us.... |
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says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 10:00:39 -0800, "Califbill" wrote: wrote in message ... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 10:36:10 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...lectric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed... snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Has nothing to do with the technology and everything to do with the sales. It has everything to do with the COST of the technology tho. Basically the problem is battery cost vs price. These things are rich man's toys. If saving money is your objective, buy a Cruze and put the left over $20,000-30,000 toward gas. I understand the government will subsidize your electric car purchase to make that price delta look more attractive but that does not reduce the cost, it only transfers it to people who can't afford to buy one. ----------------------------------- Very true. Look at the subsidy for a Tesla. Average income of a Tesla buyer? $250k. As to technology. In 1919 an electric car got 30 miles to the charge. What does a Volt get? 30 miles. Not a lot of technology improvement in nearly a 100 years. Still down to battery technology. Plus where is the power to charge going to come from? They say no pollution. What about that coal or oil fired generating plant? Actually they had a range of about 100 miles, but you'd probably bitch about the 20 mph top speed, the eisenglass windows, and no gasoline backup. It appears that the same problems they were having 100 years ago with electric vehicles are the same problems they have today. http://inventors.about.com/od/estart...c-Vehicles.htm The initiation of mass production of internal combustion engine vehicles by Henry Ford made these vehicles widely available and affordable in the $500 to $1,000 price range. By contrast, the price of the less efficiently produced electric vehicles continued to rise. In 1912, an electric roadster sold for $1,750, while a gasoline car sold for $650. I'm waiting on the fuel cell. You people talk like the Wright Brothers were idiots for not building the 747, first. Maybe Edison should have invented the halogen bulb, first. You will notice that the Wright brothers plane runs on the same fuel that today's 747 runs on. The response you'll type to this will be possible because of all of the money spent 50+ years ago on the space program, which a lot of people said was idiotic and useless. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet Things change and the gas station as we know it is on the same path as the blacksmith at the end of the 19th century. The fueling station will not change for another 50 years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Energy_density.svg You will notice that the Lion battery is way down near 0,0. |
Told you the Volt was dead...
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says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 09:20:57 -0500, JustWait wrote: http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...lectric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed... snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Maybe if all of the whiny-ass neo-cons would quit badmouthing the car, people would buy it. Maybe you WANT to continue supporting Arab Oil. Why would we stop bad mouthing a car that is a useless pile of junk? I have already proved that you can buy a car for $10,000 new and drive it for hundreds of thousands of miles before you reach the acquisition cost of a Volt. I don't want to support Arab Oil, I want to support US Oil. Drill here, drill now. Oil is a finite resource. Let alone old technology. Oil is a new technology. It is only about 170 years old. Now that's the typical Republican response to technology! You said the Volt was dead, obviously, you are entirely wrong again. A five week suspension in production is hardly a death. We will see if they restart production. They have dealers who refuse to order Volt's and who refuse to have Volts pushed onto them. There must be a reason that the Chevy's own dealers don't want the cars on their lots. Cite? http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...ers-rejection- volt-allocation/ http://www.dailytech.com/Some+Chevro...g+on+Volt+EVs+ After+Fire+Concerns+Dwindling+Customer+Interest/article23852.htm http://www.opposingviews.com/i/polit...-green-%E2%80% 9Cfield-dreams%E2%80%9D And NONE of those are peer reviewed studies, so it's just hearsay and speculation, right? I never said they were peer reviewed studies. You wanted cites to support my argument that Chevy dealers did not want Volt's on their lots because they were hard to sell. |
Told you the Volt was dead...
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says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:41:00 -0500, BAR wrote: I don't want to support Arab Oil, I want to support US Oil. Drill here, drill now. Why? Apparently we already have too much, since oil companies are exporting American oil to foreign companies in record quantities. http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...l_exports.html The we have achieved our goal of stopping our dependence on foreign oil. You lefties should be dancing in the streets. And the Canadians want to share a pipeline to the gulf with American companies to ship EVERYBODY'S oil overseas, too. Ship the oil or gasoline over seas? Drill, drill, drill? Hell no, if it isn't staying HERE (and it isn't). Drill, drill, drill, sell, sell, sell, as long as they are buying the oil from us I don't care what they do with it. |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
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says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:37:27 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 09:35:24 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...lectric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed... snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Jeffrey Immelt, the CEO of GE who doesn't pay taxes, will have to find another vehicle to force his people who have company cars to purchase and drive. http://gas2.org/2012/02/20/ge-forcin...o-chevy-volts/ If my employer "forced" me to drive a company car, I wouldn't bitch about who made it. But maybe you feel entitled to force your employer to chose the car of YOUR choice? I have never had a job where my employer provided me with a car or a car allowance. I haven't either and if I had, I wouldn't be looking that gift horse in the mouth. Why would you? It depends. My brother-in-law received a car allowance each month. The allowance was to include the lease on the vehicle, insurance, maintenance and fuel costs. The car he chose from the list of vehicles was a gas pig. He was busting through hi allowance each month due to the fuel costs. |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
On 3/4/12 6:48 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 3/4/2012 5:20 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, wrote: The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. === I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf. Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes. The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was right. It would be great for running short errands and the like, running on gas for the occasional longer trip. The problem Wayne, is the administration is trying to make these cars feasible by raising the cost of the alternatives so they have talking points... Right now it takes almost ten years to recover the price of the car, when they get the gas up to 8 dollars a gallon, they can say "look, you recover your investment in three years!"... They said they were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by the price of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are spending is killing us.... Your conspiracy theories are so lame they border on hilarious. |
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What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
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says... On 3/4/12 7:19 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, wrote: The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. === I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf. Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes. The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was right. It would be great for running short errands and the like, running on gas for the occasional longer trip. The power grid isn't robust enough today. Adding more and more charging stations is going to put more pressure on the system that it may not be able to handle. It is like keeping the 100 amp service into your house but re-wiring the inside to support 300 amps of continuous draw. Fancy new charging stations on the old busted power grid is like putting lipstick on a pig. The heads on the wind turbines are still tearing themselves apart. You can get lots of sunshine out in the middle of the desert but, you have to push the electricity too far to make it useful. My argument would be that you should buy a Prius or other small hybrid. The vehicle is more practical and can be a replacement for a couple of vehicles rather than just an around the neighborhood car. Man will never fly. Power density. Power density. Power density. There is a reason that the Wright brothers didn't use an electric motor to power the airplane. |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
On 3/4/2012 7:06 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 3/4/12 6:48 PM, JustWait wrote: On 3/4/2012 5:20 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, wrote: The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. === I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf. Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes. The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was right. It would be great for running short errands and the like, running on gas for the occasional longer trip. The problem Wayne, is the administration is trying to make these cars feasible by raising the cost of the alternatives so they have talking points... Right now it takes almost ten years to recover the price of the car, when they get the gas up to 8 dollars a gallon, they can say "look, you recover your investment in three years!"... They said they were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by the price of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are spending is killing us.... Your conspiracy theories are so lame they border on hilarious. His administration has clearly stated that energy prices would go up under his policy, and that fossil fuel needs to be the price of Europe to make Green competitive, what is so hard about that... And to the "conspiracy", the fact is they had reports like that on several of the companies they bailed out including Corzine's company and Solyndra where it was clear to them the money was not going to produce a marketable product, but connected folks had bundled millions to the election fund.... That is all clear, black and white... |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
On 3/4/12 8:07 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 3/4/2012 7:06 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 3/4/12 6:48 PM, JustWait wrote: On 3/4/2012 5:20 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, wrote: The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. === I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf. Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes. The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was right. It would be great for running short errands and the like, running on gas for the occasional longer trip. The problem Wayne, is the administration is trying to make these cars feasible by raising the cost of the alternatives so they have talking points... Right now it takes almost ten years to recover the price of the car, when they get the gas up to 8 dollars a gallon, they can say "look, you recover your investment in three years!"... They said they were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by the price of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are spending is killing us.... Your conspiracy theories are so lame they border on hilarious. His administration has clearly stated that energy prices would go up under his policy, and that fossil fuel needs to be the price of Europe to make Green competitive, what is so hard about that... And to the "conspiracy", the fact is they had reports like that on several of the companies they bailed out including Corzine's company and Solyndra where it was clear to them the money was not going to produce a marketable product, but connected folks had bundled millions to the election fund.... That is all clear, black and white... Clear to a paranoid, perhaps. |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
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