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What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
On 3/5/12 9:12 AM, Happy John wrote:
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:33:12 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:20:52 -0500, Happy wrote: On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:57:19 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:48:21 -0500, wrote: They said they were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by the price of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are spending is killing us.... === I think everyone is affected by the price of gas to one extent or another. My suggestion to people who do a lot of driving is to get a more fuel efficient vehicle if at all possible. My truck is getting expensive at $80+ per fill up. I find it very strange that we don't have the large variety of small, fuel efficient diesels like they do in Europe. My gut feel is that it is yet another head-in-the-sand Detroit issue. Last year we drove a full size Volkswagon diesel van through the mountains of France, Switzerland and northern Italy. It had plenty of power, seating for 6 adults, and a huge amount of luggage space. Average fuel economy was better than 20 mpg. Good point. If the VW diesel van had not been withdrawn from the US market, that's probably what we'd have been doing our camping in. Of course, the Mercedes Sprinter is available, but they ain't cheap. What you just bought is way more beterer :-) Well, it's definitely roomierer! Lots of room to store a spare 500-gallon fuel tank? :) Seriously, what sort of mileage do you anticipate? I hope you get at least 10 mpg. |
Told you the Volt was dead...
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:04:28 -0500, X ` Man
wrote: It's the speculators and the uncertainty of a modicum of stability among Muslim states in the Middle East that are raising the prices of oil. === In most cases the "speculator" is the logistics manager for some large petroleum consumer who is trying to do their job by locking up sufficient future supplies. |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 08:37:06 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, BAR wrote: The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. === I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf. Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes. The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was right. It would be great for running short errands and the like, running on gas for the occasional longer trip. You are 100% correct, but it just gives the far right wing the ability to say SEE, new technology is BAD.... Got your Cheby Volt yet? Didn't think so. Me, being moderate and slightly right leaning, prefers to wait till the elec car matures and shakes out most of the bugs. Buyers who must be on the bleeding edge will pay dearly for the privilage of owning a product that ain't quite there yet. By the way, you are far too polarîzed. A common trait among democrats. |
Told you the Volt was dead...
On 3/5/2012 9:25 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:04:28 -0500, X ` wrote: It's the speculators and the uncertainty of a modicum of stability among Muslim states in the Middle East that are raising the prices of oil. === In most cases the "speculator" is the logistics manager for some large petroleum consumer who is trying to do their job by locking up sufficient future supplies. So somebody needs to explain to me why the middle east effects the speculators and we are told that what happens here, doesn't? snerk |
Told you the Volt was dead...
On 3/5/12 9:25 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:04:28 -0500, X ` wrote: It's the speculators and the uncertainty of a modicum of stability among Muslim states in the Middle East that are raising the prices of oil. === In most cases the "speculator" is the logistics manager for some large petroleum consumer who is trying to do their job by locking up sufficient future supplies. I will grant what you say with this modification: "In some cases, the speculator is the logistics manager..." |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:19:14 -0500, X ` Man
wrote: On 3/5/12 9:12 AM, Happy John wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:33:12 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:20:52 -0500, Happy wrote: On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:57:19 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:48:21 -0500, wrote: They said they were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by the price of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are spending is killing us.... === I think everyone is affected by the price of gas to one extent or another. My suggestion to people who do a lot of driving is to get a more fuel efficient vehicle if at all possible. My truck is getting expensive at $80+ per fill up. I find it very strange that we don't have the large variety of small, fuel efficient diesels like they do in Europe. My gut feel is that it is yet another head-in-the-sand Detroit issue. Last year we drove a full size Volkswagon diesel van through the mountains of France, Switzerland and northern Italy. It had plenty of power, seating for 6 adults, and a huge amount of luggage space. Average fuel economy was better than 20 mpg. Good point. If the VW diesel van had not been withdrawn from the US market, that's probably what we'd have been doing our camping in. Of course, the Mercedes Sprinter is available, but they ain't cheap. What you just bought is way more beterer :-) Well, it's definitely roomierer! Lots of room to store a spare 500-gallon fuel tank? :) Seriously, what sort of mileage do you anticipate? I hope you get at least 10 mpg. I'd be tickled pink if my barge got even close to 10 MPG. |
Told you the Volt was dead...
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:58:27 -0500, X ` Man
wrote: On 3/4/12 6:57 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:41:00 -0500, wrote: I don't want to support Arab Oil, I want to support US Oil. Drill here, drill now. Why? Apparently we already have too much, since oil companies are exporting American oil to foreign companies in record quantities. http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...l_exports.html The we have achieved our goal of stopping our dependence on foreign oil. You lefties should be dancing in the streets. And the Canadians want to share a pipeline to the gulf with American companies to ship EVERYBODY'S oil overseas, too. Ship the oil or gasoline over seas? Drill, drill, drill? Hell no, if it isn't staying HERE (and it isn't). Drill, drill, drill, sell, sell, sell, as long as they are buying the oil from us I don't care what they do with it. What's the point of selling this country's natural resources overseas? I hope your answer isn't "making money." Why? |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 09:47:44 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 08:37:06 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, BAR wrote: The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. === I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf. Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes. The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was right. It would be great for running short errands and the like, running on gas for the occasional longer trip. You are 100% correct, but it just gives the far right wing the ability to say SEE, new technology is BAD.... Got your Cheby Volt yet? Didn't think so. Me, being moderate and slightly right leaning, prefers to wait till the elec car matures and shakes out most of the bugs. Buyers who must be on the bleeding edge will pay dearly for the privilage of owning a product that ain't quite there yet. By the way, you are far too polarîzed. A common trait among democrats. What makes you think I'm a democrat, to start with? Also, Scotty and BAR claim that there will never be an electric car that works! Never say never. I'll bet you are a fiscal conservative and a social liberal.:-) |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:51:10 -0500, oscar wrote:
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:19:14 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 3/5/12 9:12 AM, Happy John wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:33:12 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:20:52 -0500, Happy wrote: On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:57:19 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:48:21 -0500, wrote: They said they were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by the price of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are spending is killing us.... === I think everyone is affected by the price of gas to one extent or another. My suggestion to people who do a lot of driving is to get a more fuel efficient vehicle if at all possible. My truck is getting expensive at $80+ per fill up. I find it very strange that we don't have the large variety of small, fuel efficient diesels like they do in Europe. My gut feel is that it is yet another head-in-the-sand Detroit issue. Last year we drove a full size Volkswagon diesel van through the mountains of France, Switzerland and northern Italy. It had plenty of power, seating for 6 adults, and a huge amount of luggage space. Average fuel economy was better than 20 mpg. Good point. If the VW diesel van had not been withdrawn from the US market, that's probably what we'd have been doing our camping in. Of course, the Mercedes Sprinter is available, but they ain't cheap. What you just bought is way more beterer :-) Well, it's definitely roomierer! Lots of room to store a spare 500-gallon fuel tank? :) Seriously, what sort of mileage do you anticipate? I hope you get at least 10 mpg. I'd be tickled pink if my barge got even close to 10 MPG. I expect to get about 12-14 with the trailer. I'm considering one of these, but don't know if they're worthwhile: http://www.bullydog.com/product.php?ID=2 I think I'll start a separate thread to see if anyone knows anything about them. And, BTW, I don't think Harry can ask something serious, which is why I responded to you. |
Told you the Volt was dead...
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:53:09 -0500, oscar wrote:
What's the point of selling this country's natural resources overseas? I hope your answer isn't "making money." Why? === Because it's not strategic in the long run. The energy situation has to be viewed as a global chess game. He who finishes with the last oil wins. |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
On 3/4/2012 10:24 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 3/4/2012 10:16 PM, JustWait wrote: On 3/4/2012 9:13 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 3/4/12 8:18 PM, JustWait wrote: On 3/4/2012 8:08 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 3/4/12 8:07 PM, JustWait wrote: On 3/4/2012 7:06 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 3/4/12 6:48 PM, JustWait wrote: On 3/4/2012 5:20 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, wrote: The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. === I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf. Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes. The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was right. It would be great for running short errands and the like, running on gas for the occasional longer trip. The problem Wayne, is the administration is trying to make these cars feasible by raising the cost of the alternatives so they have talking points... Right now it takes almost ten years to recover the price of the car, when they get the gas up to 8 dollars a gallon, they can say "look, you recover your investment in three years!"... They said they were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by the price of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are spending is killing us.... Your conspiracy theories are so lame they border on hilarious. His administration has clearly stated that energy prices would go up under his policy, and that fossil fuel needs to be the price of Europe to make Green competitive, what is so hard about that... And to the "conspiracy", the fact is they had reports like that on several of the companies they bailed out including Corzine's company and Solyndra where it was clear to them the money was not going to produce a marketable product, but connected folks had bundled millions to the election fund.... That is all clear, black and white... Clear to a paranoid, perhaps. Or to anybody not paid to follow a party line.... Or anybody who can read... I have a feeling your particular brand of paranoia, a brand shared by many on your side of the political fence, is going to lead your political party, the GOP, to an unprecedented electoral disaster this fall. Among other causes, your party is going to be pussy whipped, and badly. Delightful. Oh brother, Harry is back... later Harry... forgot to say plonk ;) It's no more effective when you announce it to the world. You don't want to be accused of mimicing Harry, do you? -- O M G |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
On 3/5/2012 9:08 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 3/4/12 10:16 PM, JustWait wrote: On 3/4/2012 9:13 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 3/4/12 8:18 PM, JustWait wrote: On 3/4/2012 8:08 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 3/4/12 8:07 PM, JustWait wrote: On 3/4/2012 7:06 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 3/4/12 6:48 PM, JustWait wrote: On 3/4/2012 5:20 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, wrote: The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. === I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf. Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes. The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was right. It would be great for running short errands and the like, running on gas for the occasional longer trip. The problem Wayne, is the administration is trying to make these cars feasible by raising the cost of the alternatives so they have talking points... Right now it takes almost ten years to recover the price of the car, when they get the gas up to 8 dollars a gallon, they can say "look, you recover your investment in three years!"... They said they were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by the price of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are spending is killing us.... Your conspiracy theories are so lame they border on hilarious. His administration has clearly stated that energy prices would go up under his policy, and that fossil fuel needs to be the price of Europe to make Green competitive, what is so hard about that... And to the "conspiracy", the fact is they had reports like that on several of the companies they bailed out including Corzine's company and Solyndra where it was clear to them the money was not going to produce a marketable product, but connected folks had bundled millions to the election fund.... That is all clear, black and white... Clear to a paranoid, perhaps. Or to anybody not paid to follow a party line.... Or anybody who can read... I have a feeling your particular brand of paranoia, a brand shared by many on your side of the political fence, is going to lead your political party, the GOP, to an unprecedented electoral disaster this fall. Among other causes, your party is going to be pussy whipped, and badly. Delightful. Oh brother, Harry is back... later Harry... Just an observation on what at this moment seems to be the GOP's future as a party able to elect a president. It's gotten so far to the right, so extreme, and has so much hate for so many disparate groups, that even erudite columnists who are nominal or actual Republicans are predicting disaster for the party. That's why Romney the moderate will win. -- O M G |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
On 3/5/2012 11:03 AM, Happy John wrote:
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:51:10 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:19:14 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 3/5/12 9:12 AM, Happy John wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:33:12 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:20:52 -0500, Happy wrote: On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:57:19 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:48:21 -0500, wrote: They said they were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by the price of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are spending is killing us.... === I think everyone is affected by the price of gas to one extent or another. My suggestion to people who do a lot of driving is to get a more fuel efficient vehicle if at all possible. My truck is getting expensive at $80+ per fill up. I find it very strange that we don't have the large variety of small, fuel efficient diesels like they do in Europe. My gut feel is that it is yet another head-in-the-sand Detroit issue. Last year we drove a full size Volkswagon diesel van through the mountains of France, Switzerland and northern Italy. It had plenty of power, seating for 6 adults, and a huge amount of luggage space. Average fuel economy was better than 20 mpg. Good point. If the VW diesel van had not been withdrawn from the US market, that's probably what we'd have been doing our camping in. Of course, the Mercedes Sprinter is available, but they ain't cheap. What you just bought is way more beterer :-) Well, it's definitely roomierer! Lots of room to store a spare 500-gallon fuel tank? :) Seriously, what sort of mileage do you anticipate? I hope you get at least 10 mpg. I'd be tickled pink if my barge got even close to 10 MPG. I expect to get about 12-14 with the trailer. I'm considering one of these, but don't know if they're worthwhile: http://www.bullydog.com/product.php?ID=2 I think I'll start a separate thread to see if anyone knows anything about them. And, BTW, I don't think Harry can ask something serious, which is why I responded to you. If that thing can get your engine to open it's mouth wider it might be worth the 600 bucks. Otherwise dunno what you can do. -- O M G |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
On 3/5/2012 9:47 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In b.com, says... On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 08:37:06 -0500, wrote: In , says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, wrote: The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. === I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf. Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes. The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was right. It would be great for running short errands and the like, running on gas for the occasional longer trip. You are 100% correct, but it just gives the far right wing the ability to say SEE, new technology is BAD.... Got your Cheby Volt yet? Didn't think so. Me, being moderate and slightly right leaning, prefers to wait till the elec car matures and shakes out most of the bugs. Buyers who must be on the bleeding edge will pay dearly for the privilage of owning a product that ain't quite there yet. By the way, you are far too polarîzed. A common trait among democrats. What makes you think I'm a democrat, to start with? Also, Scotty and BAR claim that there will never be an electric car that works! I don't recall them saying that. Cite? -- O M G |
Told you the Volt was dead...
On 3/4/2012 10:56 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In b.com, says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 10:36:10 -0500, wrote: In , says... http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...g-the-plug-on- a-government-funded-electric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed...snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Has nothing to do with the technology and everything to do with the sales. Snake oil doesn't sell well in The good old USA By the way, you sound a teensy bit more masculine than you did when you posted as plume. Which leads to the question. Are you male, female, or something else? Hint for the misinformed: I never posted as "plume". If you stop using phrases that, plume exclusively, uses, you might be believed. -- O M G |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 13:33:35 -0500, Oscar wrote:
On 3/5/2012 11:03 AM, Happy John wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:51:10 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:19:14 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 3/5/12 9:12 AM, Happy John wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:33:12 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:20:52 -0500, Happy wrote: On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:57:19 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:48:21 -0500, wrote: They said they were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by the price of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are spending is killing us.... === I think everyone is affected by the price of gas to one extent or another. My suggestion to people who do a lot of driving is to get a more fuel efficient vehicle if at all possible. My truck is getting expensive at $80+ per fill up. I find it very strange that we don't have the large variety of small, fuel efficient diesels like they do in Europe. My gut feel is that it is yet another head-in-the-sand Detroit issue. Last year we drove a full size Volkswagon diesel van through the mountains of France, Switzerland and northern Italy. It had plenty of power, seating for 6 adults, and a huge amount of luggage space. Average fuel economy was better than 20 mpg. Good point. If the VW diesel van had not been withdrawn from the US market, that's probably what we'd have been doing our camping in. Of course, the Mercedes Sprinter is available, but they ain't cheap. What you just bought is way more beterer :-) Well, it's definitely roomierer! Lots of room to store a spare 500-gallon fuel tank? :) Seriously, what sort of mileage do you anticipate? I hope you get at least 10 mpg. I'd be tickled pink if my barge got even close to 10 MPG. I expect to get about 12-14 with the trailer. I'm considering one of these, but don't know if they're worthwhile: http://www.bullydog.com/product.php?ID=2 I think I'll start a separate thread to see if anyone knows anything about them. And, BTW, I don't think Harry can ask something serious, which is why I responded to you. If that thing can get your engine to open it's mouth wider it might be worth the 600 bucks. Otherwise dunno what you can do. A few of the camping forum guys recommend getting the smog crap off the engine. But, they don't get specific enough. |
Told you the Volt was dead...
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 13:11:08 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:53:09 -0500, oscar wrote: What's the point of selling this country's natural resources overseas? I hope your answer isn't "making money." Why? === Because it's not strategic in the long run. The energy situation has to be viewed as a global chess game. He who finishes with the last oil wins. Litterally - he will be the only one able to power his bombers and tanks. Are electric bombers and tanks under consideration, I wonder? |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
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What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
In article ,
says... On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 13:33:35 -0500, Oscar wrote: On 3/5/2012 11:03 AM, Happy John wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:51:10 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:19:14 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 3/5/12 9:12 AM, Happy John wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:33:12 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:20:52 -0500, Happy wrote: On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:57:19 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:48:21 -0500, wrote: They said they were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by the price of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are spending is killing us.... === I think everyone is affected by the price of gas to one extent or another. My suggestion to people who do a lot of driving is to get a more fuel efficient vehicle if at all possible. My truck is getting expensive at $80+ per fill up. I find it very strange that we don't have the large variety of small, fuel efficient diesels like they do in Europe. My gut feel is that it is yet another head-in-the-sand Detroit issue. Last year we drove a full size Volkswagon diesel van through the mountains of France, Switzerland and northern Italy. It had plenty of power, seating for 6 adults, and a huge amount of luggage space. Average fuel economy was better than 20 mpg. Good point. If the VW diesel van had not been withdrawn from the US market, that's probably what we'd have been doing our camping in. Of course, the Mercedes Sprinter is available, but they ain't cheap. What you just bought is way more beterer :-) Well, it's definitely roomierer! Lots of room to store a spare 500-gallon fuel tank? :) Seriously, what sort of mileage do you anticipate? I hope you get at least 10 mpg. I'd be tickled pink if my barge got even close to 10 MPG. I expect to get about 12-14 with the trailer. I'm considering one of these, but don't know if they're worthwhile: http://www.bullydog.com/product.php?ID=2 I think I'll start a separate thread to see if anyone knows anything about them. And, BTW, I don't think Harry can ask something serious, which is why I responded to you. If that thing can get your engine to open it's mouth wider it might be worth the 600 bucks. Otherwise dunno what you can do. A few of the camping forum guys recommend getting the smog crap off the engine. But, they don't get specific enough. You'll void any warranty you have doing that. |
Told you the Volt was dead...
In article om, 5@
5.com says... On 3/4/2012 10:56 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In b.com, says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 10:36:10 -0500, wrote: In , says... http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...g-the-plug-on- a-government-funded-electric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed...snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Has nothing to do with the technology and everything to do with the sales. Snake oil doesn't sell well in The good old USA By the way, you sound a teensy bit more masculine than you did when you posted as plume. Which leads to the question. Are you male, female, or something else? Hint for the misinformed: I never posted as "plume". If you stop using phrases that, plume exclusively, uses, you might be believed. Cite? |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
On 3/5/12 1:44 PM, Happy John wrote:
On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 13:33:35 -0500, wrote: On 3/5/2012 11:03 AM, Happy John wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:51:10 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:19:14 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 3/5/12 9:12 AM, Happy John wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:33:12 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:20:52 -0500, Happy wrote: On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:57:19 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:48:21 -0500, wrote: They said they were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by the price of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are spending is killing us.... === I think everyone is affected by the price of gas to one extent or another. My suggestion to people who do a lot of driving is to get a more fuel efficient vehicle if at all possible. My truck is getting expensive at $80+ per fill up. I find it very strange that we don't have the large variety of small, fuel efficient diesels like they do in Europe. My gut feel is that it is yet another head-in-the-sand Detroit issue. Last year we drove a full size Volkswagon diesel van through the mountains of France, Switzerland and northern Italy. It had plenty of power, seating for 6 adults, and a huge amount of luggage space. Average fuel economy was better than 20 mpg. Good point. If the VW diesel van had not been withdrawn from the US market, that's probably what we'd have been doing our camping in. Of course, the Mercedes Sprinter is available, but they ain't cheap. What you just bought is way more beterer :-) Well, it's definitely roomierer! Lots of room to store a spare 500-gallon fuel tank? :) Seriously, what sort of mileage do you anticipate? I hope you get at least 10 mpg. I'd be tickled pink if my barge got even close to 10 MPG. I expect to get about 12-14 with the trailer. I'm considering one of these, but don't know if they're worthwhile: http://www.bullydog.com/product.php?ID=2 I think I'll start a separate thread to see if anyone knows anything about them. And, BTW, I don't think Harry can ask something serious, which is why I responded to you. If that thing can get your engine to open it's mouth wider it might be worth the 600 bucks. Otherwise dunno what you can do. A few of the camping forum guys recommend getting the smog crap off the engine. But, they don't get specific enough. You mean, break the law? |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
On 3/5/2012 1:58 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In , says... On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 13:33:35 -0500, wrote: On 3/5/2012 11:03 AM, Happy John wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:51:10 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:19:14 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 3/5/12 9:12 AM, Happy John wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:33:12 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:20:52 -0500, Happy wrote: On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:57:19 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:48:21 -0500, wrote: They said they were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by the price of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are spending is killing us.... === I think everyone is affected by the price of gas to one extent or another. My suggestion to people who do a lot of driving is to get a more fuel efficient vehicle if at all possible. My truck is getting expensive at $80+ per fill up. I find it very strange that we don't have the large variety of small, fuel efficient diesels like they do in Europe. My gut feel is that it is yet another head-in-the-sand Detroit issue. Last year we drove a full size Volkswagon diesel van through the mountains of France, Switzerland and northern Italy. It had plenty of power, seating for 6 adults, and a huge amount of luggage space. Average fuel economy was better than 20 mpg. Good point. If the VW diesel van had not been withdrawn from the US market, that's probably what we'd have been doing our camping in. Of course, the Mercedes Sprinter is available, but they ain't cheap. What you just bought is way more beterer :-) Well, it's definitely roomierer! Lots of room to store a spare 500-gallon fuel tank? :) Seriously, what sort of mileage do you anticipate? I hope you get at least 10 mpg. I'd be tickled pink if my barge got even close to 10 MPG. I expect to get about 12-14 with the trailer. I'm considering one of these, but don't know if they're worthwhile: http://www.bullydog.com/product.php?ID=2 I think I'll start a separate thread to see if anyone knows anything about them. And, BTW, I don't think Harry can ask something serious, which is why I responded to you. If that thing can get your engine to open it's mouth wider it might be worth the 600 bucks. Otherwise dunno what you can do. A few of the camping forum guys recommend getting the smog crap off the engine. But, they don't get specific enough. You'll void any warranty you have doing that. IIRC, it's a federal rap too.... Maybe that's just if a garage does it... |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
On 3/5/12 2:18 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 3/5/2012 1:58 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 13:33:35 -0500, wrote: On 3/5/2012 11:03 AM, Happy John wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:51:10 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:19:14 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 3/5/12 9:12 AM, Happy John wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:33:12 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:20:52 -0500, Happy wrote: On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:57:19 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:48:21 -0500, wrote: They said they were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by the price of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are spending is killing us.... === I think everyone is affected by the price of gas to one extent or another. My suggestion to people who do a lot of driving is to get a more fuel efficient vehicle if at all possible. My truck is getting expensive at $80+ per fill up. I find it very strange that we don't have the large variety of small, fuel efficient diesels like they do in Europe. My gut feel is that it is yet another head-in-the-sand Detroit issue. Last year we drove a full size Volkswagon diesel van through the mountains of France, Switzerland and northern Italy. It had plenty of power, seating for 6 adults, and a huge amount of luggage space. Average fuel economy was better than 20 mpg. Good point. If the VW diesel van had not been withdrawn from the US market, that's probably what we'd have been doing our camping in. Of course, the Mercedes Sprinter is available, but they ain't cheap. What you just bought is way more beterer :-) Well, it's definitely roomierer! Lots of room to store a spare 500-gallon fuel tank? :) Seriously, what sort of mileage do you anticipate? I hope you get at least 10 mpg. I'd be tickled pink if my barge got even close to 10 MPG. I expect to get about 12-14 with the trailer. I'm considering one of these, but don't know if they're worthwhile: http://www.bullydog.com/product.php?ID=2 I think I'll start a separate thread to see if anyone knows anything about them. And, BTW, I don't think Harry can ask something serious, which is why I responded to you. If that thing can get your engine to open it's mouth wider it might be worth the 600 bucks. Otherwise dunno what you can do. A few of the camping forum guys recommend getting the smog crap off the engine. But, they don't get specific enough. You'll void any warranty you have doing that. IIRC, it's a federal rap too.... Maybe that's just if a garage does it... What would Rush do? |
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Told you the Volt was dead...
On 3/5/2012 2:00 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In raweb.com, 5@ 5.com says... On 3/4/2012 10:56 AM, iBoaterer wrote: In b.com, says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 10:36:10 -0500, wrote: In , says... http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...g-the-plug-on- a-government-funded-electric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed...snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Has nothing to do with the technology and everything to do with the sales. Snake oil doesn't sell well in The good old USA By the way, you sound a teensy bit more masculine than you did when you posted as plume. Which leads to the question. Are you male, female, or something else? Hint for the misinformed: I never posted as "plume". If you stop using phrases that, plume exclusively, uses, you might be believed. Cite? Yup. That's one. -- O M G |
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What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
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says... In article , says... In article , says... On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:48:21 -0500, JustWait wrote: They said they were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by the price of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are spending is killing us.... === I think everyone is affected by the price of gas to one extent or another. My suggestion to people who do a lot of driving is to get a more fuel efficient vehicle if at all possible. My truck is getting expensive at $80+ per fill up. I find it very strange that we don't have the large variety of small, fuel efficient diesels like they do in Europe. My gut feel is that it is yet another head-in-the-sand Detroit issue. Last year we drove a full size Volkswagon diesel van through the mountains of France, Switzerland and northern Italy. It had plenty of power, seating for 6 adults, and a huge amount of luggage space. Average fuel economy was better than 20 mpg. Is it cheaper to continue to drive the gas guzzler or is it cheaper to acquire a fuel efficient vehicle. Where is the break-even point? New technology bad.....FOX tell me..... Me scared..... I have a 11 year old vehicle that costs me $200 a year in insurance and gets 20 MPG on the highway. Let's say I drive burn 20 gallons a month ,in the vehicle whicih about right, at $5 a gallon. This is about $1,400 dollars a year for operating costs. Throw in an oil change once a year and you get $1,500 rounded off. How long is it going to take to recover the cost of a new vehicle? Your problem is that you don't look at the economics of the situation. It has nothing to do with technology it has to do with my wallet. |
Told you the Volt was dead...
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says... In article , says... On 3/5/2012 6:12 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 10:00:39 -0800, "Califbill" wrote: What about that coal or oil fired generating plant? === Oil fired plants are becoming very uncommon as more and more of them have converted to natural gas. Coal is being phased out everywhere in the US. Petroleum is becoming a transportation fuel as opposed to a stationary power plant fuel. Natural gas will eventually become a transportation fuel also. Coal is not being phased out, it is being forced out by regulation. The idea is to raise the prices so much, "green' energy seems competitive... Cite? You are blind or stupid, take your pick. |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
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says... On 3/5/12 2:18 PM, JustWait wrote: On 3/5/2012 1:58 PM, iBoaterer wrote: In , says... On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 13:33:35 -0500, wrote: On 3/5/2012 11:03 AM, Happy John wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:51:10 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:19:14 -0500, X ` Man wrote: On 3/5/12 9:12 AM, Happy John wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:33:12 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:20:52 -0500, Happy wrote: On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:57:19 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:48:21 -0500, wrote: They said they were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by the price of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are spending is killing us.... === I think everyone is affected by the price of gas to one extent or another. My suggestion to people who do a lot of driving is to get a more fuel efficient vehicle if at all possible. My truck is getting expensive at $80+ per fill up. I find it very strange that we don't have the large variety of small, fuel efficient diesels like they do in Europe. My gut feel is that it is yet another head-in-the-sand Detroit issue. Last year we drove a full size Volkswagon diesel van through the mountains of France, Switzerland and northern Italy. It had plenty of power, seating for 6 adults, and a huge amount of luggage space. Average fuel economy was better than 20 mpg. Good point. If the VW diesel van had not been withdrawn from the US market, that's probably what we'd have been doing our camping in. Of course, the Mercedes Sprinter is available, but they ain't cheap. What you just bought is way more beterer :-) Well, it's definitely roomierer! Lots of room to store a spare 500-gallon fuel tank? :) Seriously, what sort of mileage do you anticipate? I hope you get at least 10 mpg. I'd be tickled pink if my barge got even close to 10 MPG. I expect to get about 12-14 with the trailer. I'm considering one of these, but don't know if they're worthwhile: http://www.bullydog.com/product.php?ID=2 I think I'll start a separate thread to see if anyone knows anything about them. And, BTW, I don't think Harry can ask something serious, which is why I responded to you. If that thing can get your engine to open it's mouth wider it might be worth the 600 bucks. Otherwise dunno what you can do. A few of the camping forum guys recommend getting the smog crap off the engine. But, they don't get specific enough. You'll void any warranty you have doing that. IIRC, it's a federal rap too.... Maybe that's just if a garage does it... What would Rush do? Why don't you ask him. |
Told you the Volt was dead...
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says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... In article , says... On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 09:20:57 -0500, JustWait wrote: http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...lectric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed... snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Maybe if all of the whiny-ass neo-cons would quit badmouthing the car, people would buy it. Maybe you WANT to continue supporting Arab Oil. Why would we stop bad mouthing a car that is a useless pile of junk? I have already proved that you can buy a car for $10,000 new and drive it for hundreds of thousands of miles before you reach the acquisition cost of a Volt. I don't want to support Arab Oil, I want to support US Oil. Drill here, drill now. Oil is a finite resource. Let alone old technology. Oil is a new technology. It is only about 170 years old. Now that's the typical Republican response to technology! You said the Volt was dead, obviously, you are entirely wrong again. A five week suspension in production is hardly a death. We will see if they restart production. They have dealers who refuse to order Volt's and who refuse to have Volts pushed onto them. There must be a reason that the Chevy's own dealers don't want the cars on their lots. Cite? http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...ers-rejection- volt-allocation/ http://www.dailytech.com/Some+Chevro...g+on+Volt+EVs+ After+Fire+Concerns+Dwindling+Customer+Interest/article23852.htm http://www.opposingviews.com/i/polit...-green-%E2%80% 9Cfield-dreams%E2%80%9D And NONE of those are peer reviewed studies, so it's just hearsay and speculation, right? I never said they were peer reviewed studies. You wanted cites to support my argument that Chevy dealers did not want Volt's on their lots because they were hard to sell. But using your standards, they have to be peer reviewed studies to be taken seriously. The medical profession has higher standards than the news profession, if you can call it a profession. |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
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says... In article , says... In article , says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:37:27 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 09:35:24 -0500, BAR wrote: In article , says... http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...lectric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed... snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Jeffrey Immelt, the CEO of GE who doesn't pay taxes, will have to find another vehicle to force his people who have company cars to purchase and drive. http://gas2.org/2012/02/20/ge-forcin...o-chevy-volts/ If my employer "forced" me to drive a company car, I wouldn't bitch about who made it. But maybe you feel entitled to force your employer to chose the car of YOUR choice? I have never had a job where my employer provided me with a car or a car allowance. I haven't either and if I had, I wouldn't be looking that gift horse in the mouth. Why would you? It depends. My brother-in-law received a car allowance each month. The allowance was to include the lease on the vehicle, insurance, maintenance and fuel costs. The car he chose from the list of vehicles was a gas pig. He was busting through hi allowance each month due to the fuel costs. Then why did he choose a gas pig? It was on the list of approved vehicles. |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
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says... In article , says... On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 08:37:06 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, BAR wrote: The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. === I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf. Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes. The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was right. It would be great for running short errands and the like, running on gas for the occasional longer trip. You are 100% correct, but it just gives the far right wing the ability to say SEE, new technology is BAD.... Got your Cheby Volt yet? Didn't think so. Me, being moderate and slightly right leaning, prefers to wait till the elec car matures and shakes out most of the bugs. Buyers who must be on the bleeding edge will pay dearly for the privilage of owning a product that ain't quite there yet. By the way, you are far too polarîzed. A common trait among democrats. What makes you think I'm a democrat, to start with? Also, Scotty and BAR claim that there will never be an electric car that works! I never said that there will never be an electric car. I have said that the technology is not available at this time to make them useful. Lion technology has a heat problem that they haven't been able to solve. You are lucky that you can take your cellphone and computer on airplanes. Most bulk shipments of Lion batteries have to be specially packaged or shipped via surface carrier. Power density and recycling are the biggest problems with electric cars at this time. These issues will be resolved in time but, until then someone else can be on the bleeding edge of this technology. |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
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says... On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 09:47:44 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 08:37:06 -0500, iBoaterer wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, BAR wrote: The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. === I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf. Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes. The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was right. It would be great for running short errands and the like, running on gas for the occasional longer trip. You are 100% correct, but it just gives the far right wing the ability to say SEE, new technology is BAD.... Got your Cheby Volt yet? Didn't think so. Me, being moderate and slightly right leaning, prefers to wait till the elec car matures and shakes out most of the bugs. Buyers who must be on the bleeding edge will pay dearly for the privilage of owning a product that ain't quite there yet. By the way, you are far too polarîzed. A common trait among democrats. What makes you think I'm a democrat, to start with? Also, Scotty and BAR claim that there will never be an electric car that works! Never say never. I'll bet you are a fiscal conservative and a social liberal.:-) Most Democrats are fiscally conservative when it comes to their own money, however, when it comes to your money they are as fiscally liberal as they can be. |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
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says... In article , says... In article , says... On Sun, 04 Mar 2012 17:20:57 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, BAR wrote: The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. === I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf. Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes. The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was right. It would be great for running short errands and the like, running on gas for the occasional longer trip. Yes. This is the lesson unlearned in the 70's. Can we really afford to let this go again? The lesson from the 70's was, drill here, drill now. Bull****. If we had drilled here and drilled now in the 70's we would not have had to worry about the middle east at all. They could have ****ed all over each other and it would not have mattered to us in the US because we would have had our own oil being pumped from our own yards. |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
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says... In article , says... On 3/4/2012 5:20 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, wrote: The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. === I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf. Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes. The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was right. It would be great for running short errands and the like, running on gas for the occasional longer trip. The problem Wayne, is the administration is trying to make these cars feasible by raising the cost of the alternatives so they have talking points... Right now it takes almost ten years to recover the price of the car, when they get the gas up to 8 dollars a gallon, they can say "look, you recover your investment in three years!"... They said they were gonna' do it. I know most of you here aren't bothered by the price of gas, but that nearly 75 extra dollars a week we are spending is killing us.... New technology bad.... FOX tell me. Never install version 1.0 software. Never purchase the first versions of anything. Let someone else work out the bugs. |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
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says... In article , says... In article , says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, BAR wrote: The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. === I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf. Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes. The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was right. It would be great for running short errands and the like, running on gas for the occasional longer trip. The power grid isn't robust enough today. Adding more and more charging stations is going to put more pressure on the system that it may not be able to handle. It is like keeping the 100 amp service into your house but re-wiring the inside to support 300 amps of continuous draw. Fancy new charging stations on the old busted power grid is like putting lipstick on a pig. The heads on the wind turbines are still tearing themselves apart. You can get lots of sunshine out in the middle of the desert but, you have to push the electricity too far to make it useful. My argument would be that you should buy a Prius or other small hybrid. The vehicle is more practical and can be a replacement for a couple of vehicles rather than just an around the neighborhood car. New things bad... FOX tell me.... Ok, buy a Volt and tell me how much you enjoy owning it. If I had to buy a Volt or Prius I would buy the Prius. Why, I don't have to get a special station installed in my house in order to charge up the battery. I don't have to worry about running the batteries down. |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
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says... In article , says... In article , dump-on- says... On 3/4/12 7:19 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 13:35:14 -0500, wrote: The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. === I think we both agree on most of those points. Where we seem to disagree is whether or not it makes sense to roll out half a loaf. Knowing full well the limitations of half a loaf, I still say yes. The reason being that getting some electric cars on the road starts to get people thinking about the infrastucture issues (like charging stations and better batteries). Same thing with alternative energy like wind and solar. If you don't start rolling some of this out to the public you end up with a perpetual chicken and egg syndrome where you can't have the chicken because you don't yet have an egg and vice versa. There are also a lot of people whose transportation needs would be well served right now by a car like the Volt. The problem is price of course, and prices will not come down until there is economy of scale, with the engineering and tooling costs amortized across a wider base. I could use a Volt right now if the price was right. It would be great for running short errands and the like, running on gas for the occasional longer trip. The power grid isn't robust enough today. Adding more and more charging stations is going to put more pressure on the system that it may not be able to handle. It is like keeping the 100 amp service into your house but re-wiring the inside to support 300 amps of continuous draw. Fancy new charging stations on the old busted power grid is like putting lipstick on a pig. The heads on the wind turbines are still tearing themselves apart. You can get lots of sunshine out in the middle of the desert but, you have to push the electricity too far to make it useful. My argument would be that you should buy a Prius or other small hybrid. The vehicle is more practical and can be a replacement for a couple of vehicles rather than just an around the neighborhood car. Man will never fly. Power density. Power density. Power density. There is a reason that the Wright brothers didn't use an electric motor to power the airplane. Because they didn't have the technology. They had the technology. http://edisontechcenter.org/ElectricCars.html |
What Will GE Force Its People To Drive Now
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says... In article , says... On 3/4/2012 1:35 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 09:35:24 -0500, wrote: In , says... http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2012...lectric-lemon/ Told you, and you laughed...snerk Sometimes it pays to look at the world with an open mind... Jeffrey Immelt, the CEO of GE who doesn't pay taxes, will have to find another vehicle to force his people who have company cars to purchase and drive. http://gas2.org/2012/02/20/ge-forcin...o-chevy-volts/ === With all due respect Bert, that sounds like a regurgitation from a Rush Limbaugh rant. The republican party needs to put a muzzle on that dude before he alienates every swing voter in the country. With all due respect Wayne, the Republican party doesn't control Rush Limbaugh and Rush Limbaugh doesn't control the Republican party. Rush will rise or fall based upon his audience and advertisers. The Republican party leadership has lost its way and holds no sway over the grass roots. Debbie Wasserman Schultz needs to be muzzled due to her alienating swing voters. Every time she speaks she lies. The street has people on both sides ****ing off people on the other side of the street. I think the jury is still out on electric cars but any program at all which encourages energy independence is a good thing in my opinion. The jury is in on electric cars. They are the future. The problem is that there hasn't been enough R&D to make them feasible yet. The hybrid, gas-electric, is just a diesel-electric locomotive downsized with the added benefit of pulling the electricity generated from breaking and coasting to charge the batteries. The all electric needs needs work with storing enough power to be useful over a longer period of time and distance. I say as long as batteries are what they are, the jury is indeed out, and electric cars are dead... Want to wager a LOT of money? Provide proof as to who you are beyond all doubt and I may make a wager. |
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