On Jan 20, 1:03*am, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 21:06:17 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:









On Jan 19, 9:12*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 20:18:53 -0500, Earl
wrote:

I agree. Ever see a "US Government Property - No Trespassing" sign? What
the hell does that really mean?

Some places it means "do you want to see a nasty GI with a gun, *up
close"?

This is NORAD

The answer was "no" and I couldn't take a picture at the gate.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/colorado/NORAD.jpg

Greg, I think that manhole behind you is where they stuff you if you
go past the sign...

They are pretty serious about keeping people out. I called a couple
times trying to get a tour.

Oh yes, I know. "Restricted" doesn't mean "C'mon in"

X ` Man wrote:
On 1/19/12 8:18 PM, Earl wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:20:56 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

Public Access Threatened at Biscayne National Park
Protect Boating and Fishing Access

The National Park Service at Biscayne National Park recently
released a
draft General Management Plan (GMP), which proposes to close over 20
percent of public waters to recreational boating and fishing. Numerous
stakeholders are opposed to this broad public access closure,
including
the Florida Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC).

The Park Service’s proposals include establishment of between a 10,000
to 21,000-acre marine reserve within Biscayne National Park’s
boundaries. This vast marine reserve would entirely prohibit
recreational fishing. Additionally, the Park’s plans establish several
“no combustion engine zones” which act as de facto closure of the
Park’s
waters to boating, as engine powered boats will find it nearly
impossible to launch from shore and other prohibited areas within the
park.

Complete article at:


http://www.capwiz.com/nmma/issues/al...740581&type=CO
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Yet another branch of the federal government that is out of control
and out of touch. They should have their funding cut. Although the
National Park Service does a good job with some things, there should
be a mandate for public forums on all proposed rule making and strong
justification required for anything that limits public access and use.

I agree. Ever see a "US Government Property - No Trespassing" sign? What
the hell does that really mean?


Uh...No Trespassing?
Of course. On public land paid by...taxpayers?

I get the security concern but I think the signs could be worded better
to illustrate that point.

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On Thu, 19 Jan 2012 14:20:56 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

Public Access Threatened at Biscayne National Park
Protect Boating and Fishing Access

The National Park Service at Biscayne National Park recently released a
draft General Management Plan (GMP), which proposes to close over 20
percent of public waters to recreational boating and fishing. Numerous
stakeholders are opposed to this broad public access closure, including
the Florida Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC).

The Park Service’s proposals include establishment of between a 10,000
to 21,000-acre marine reserve within Biscayne National Park’s
boundaries. This vast marine reserve would entirely prohibit
recreational fishing. Additionally, the Park’s plans establish several
“no combustion engine zones� which act as de facto closure of the Park’s
waters to boating, as engine powered boats will find it nearly
impossible to launch from shore and other prohibited areas within the park.

Complete article at:


http://www.capwiz.com/nmma/issues/al...740581&type=CO

This is the ongoing fight between environmentalists who want us to
look at pictures of a wilderness and people who actually want to use
the resource. They have made a preserve of big parts of the Keys
already.

The right answer is probably somewhere in the middle. I am sure
boating and fishing pressure on that little patch from millions of
people from Miami is impacting it. The question is how to responsibly
use the resource without destroying it.

We have a few IC motor free zones around here and the manatee zones
are everywhere. I bet if this really catches on, you are going to see
some high performance electric boats.


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Same problem with MLPA's. I am with a group suing the state of California
over the methods of implementation. They are going to kill people. Making
about 80% of the areas a small skiff fisherman can safely fish out of
bounds. One of the former members of the implementation committee, since
died, was from Carmel and at the last minute included Carmel Bay. With the
comment that they will not have to look at those fisherman's boats anymore.
No verifiable science involved as required by law.