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On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 07:36:28 -0500, X ` Man wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Holy ****. And those were the junior finals in 2008. I've never seen it before. Unreal. |
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 07:36:28 -0500, X ` Man
wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Amazing what humans can do. Is that a fender she's juggling? |
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On Jan 13, 7:36*am, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Flagged as spam. Where's the " OT " in the topic line? |
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X ` Man wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Amazing performance but she will probably need knee and hip surgery before she's 50. |
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*e#c wrote:
On Jan 13, 7:36 am, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you- can.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Flagged as spam. Where's the " OT " in the topic line? How do you flag a message as spam and why would this be spam anyway? There are off-topic messages in groups everyday. |
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:39:31 -0500, Earl wrote:
X ` Man wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Amazing performance but she will probably need knee and hip surgery before she's 50. As my younger daughter, a cheerleader and gymnast in high school, will attest. She goes in for her hip surgery in about a week. |
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Happy John wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:39:31 -0500, wrote: X ` Man wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Amazing performance but she will probably need knee and hip surgery before she's 50. As my younger daughter, a cheerleader and gymnast in high school, will attest. She goes in for her hip surgery in about a week. That's a rough sport. I met an NFL alum that played in the Super Bowl and he could hardly walk at 44 years old. |
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On 1/14/2012 10:52 PM, Earl wrote:
Happy John wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:39:31 -0500, wrote: X ` Man wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Amazing performance but she will probably need knee and hip surgery before she's 50. As my younger daughter, a cheerleader and gymnast in high school, will attest. She goes in for her hip surgery in about a week. That's a rough sport. I met an NFL alum that played in the Super Bowl and he could hardly walk at 44 years old. Wonder if he had any regrets... |
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JustWait wrote:
On 1/14/2012 10:52 PM, Earl wrote: Happy John wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:39:31 -0500, wrote: X ` Man wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Amazing performance but she will probably need knee and hip surgery before she's 50. As my younger daughter, a cheerleader and gymnast in high school, will attest. She goes in for her hip surgery in about a week. That's a rough sport. I met an NFL alum that played in the Super Bowl and he could hardly walk at 44 years old. Wonder if he had any regrets... I didn't ask but I'm sure he never expected it to be that bad. He was a paid speaker at a corporate event and I'll never forget watching him struggle to walk up three stairs to get to the podium. |
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On Jan 14, 10:07*pm, JustWait wrote:
On 1/14/2012 10:52 PM, Earl wrote: Happy John wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:39:31 -0500, wrote: X ` Man wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Amazing performance but she will probably need knee and hip surgery before she's 50. As my younger daughter, a cheerleader and gymnast in high school, will attest. She goes in for her hip surgery in about a week. That's a rough sport. I met an NFL alum that played in the Super Bowl and he could hardly walk at 44 years old. Wonder if he had any regrets... Several years ago, there was a documentary done on the likes of these guys. Some were in wheel chairs. They were asked the same question, and ironically most said they had no regrets at all and if able would 'do it again' |
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On 1/15/12 1:09 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 21:11:23 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 14, 10:07 pm, wrote: On 1/14/2012 10:52 PM, Earl wrote: Happy John wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:39:31 -0500, wrote: X ` Man wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Amazing performance but she will probably need knee and hip surgery before she's 50. As my younger daughter, a cheerleader and gymnast in high school, will attest. She goes in for her hip surgery in about a week. That's a rough sport. I met an NFL alum that played in the Super Bowl and he could hardly walk at 44 years old. Wonder if he had any regrets... Several years ago, there was a documentary done on the likes of these guys. Some were in wheel chairs. They were asked the same question, and ironically most said they had no regrets at all and if able would 'do it again' One of my neighbors was an NFL DE (Tom Nomina, Denver and Miami) and he only played 2 seasons in the show plus high school and college. He is suffering from a multitude of injuries (knee, back etc). These guys get the crap beat out of them. He is a great guy tho and still helps out in the community as much as he can. Sometimes it is a little painful to watch. Pro football has deteriorated into a gladiator sport where deliberately inflicting injuries on opposing players is encouraged. Even professional boxing is a more civilized sport, because you can be penalized or even disqualified for certain actions. I have a friend who was an all-pro linebacker for the 'Skins. I think he played 10 seasons. I never went to see him play because I didn't want to see him sustain a horrific injury. Fortunately, he got out without his brains being scrambled. Pro football is a perfect metaphor for our callous society. |
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On 1/15/2012 8:17 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 1/15/12 1:09 AM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 21:11:23 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 14, 10:07 pm, wrote: On 1/14/2012 10:52 PM, Earl wrote: Happy John wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:39:31 -0500, wrote: X ` Man wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Amazing performance but she will probably need knee and hip surgery before she's 50. As my younger daughter, a cheerleader and gymnast in high school, will attest. She goes in for her hip surgery in about a week. That's a rough sport. I met an NFL alum that played in the Super Bowl and he could hardly walk at 44 years old. Wonder if he had any regrets... Several years ago, there was a documentary done on the likes of these guys. Some were in wheel chairs. They were asked the same question, and ironically most said they had no regrets at all and if able would 'do it again' One of my neighbors was an NFL DE (Tom Nomina, Denver and Miami) and he only played 2 seasons in the show plus high school and college. He is suffering from a multitude of injuries (knee, back etc). These guys get the crap beat out of them. He is a great guy tho and still helps out in the community as much as he can. Sometimes it is a little painful to watch. Pro football has deteriorated into a gladiator sport where deliberately inflicting injuries on opposing players is encouraged. Even professional boxing is a more civilized sport, because you can be penalized or even disqualified for certain actions. I have a friend who was an all-pro linebacker for the 'Skins. I think he played 10 seasons. I never went to see him play because I didn't want to see him sustain a horrific injury. Fortunately, he got out without his brains being scrambled. Pro football is a perfect metaphor for our callous society. How about the Brady Bunch game last night. A little lopsided though. |
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In article af13b6ee-0a8e-4926-b74a-86fc9f7af0f9
@v14g2000yqh.googlegroups.com, says... On Jan 14, 10:07*pm, JustWait wrote: On 1/14/2012 10:52 PM, Earl wrote: Happy John wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:39:31 -0500, wrote: X ` Man wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Amazing performance but she will probably need knee and hip surgery before she's 50. As my younger daughter, a cheerleader and gymnast in high school, will attest. She goes in for her hip surgery in about a week. That's a rough sport. I met an NFL alum that played in the Super Bowl and he could hardly walk at 44 years old. Wonder if he had any regrets... Several years ago, there was a documentary done on the likes of these guys. Some were in wheel chairs. They were asked the same question, and ironically most said they had no regrets at all and if able would 'do it again' Winning and being productive is ingrained in the human psych, at least for most! |
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On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 08:17:07 -0500, X ` Man wrote:
On 1/15/12 1:09 AM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 21:11:23 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 14, 10:07 pm, wrote: On 1/14/2012 10:52 PM, Earl wrote: Happy John wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:39:31 -0500, wrote: X ` Man wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Amazing performance but she will probably need knee and hip surgery before she's 50. As my younger daughter, a cheerleader and gymnast in high school, will attest. She goes in for her hip surgery in about a week. That's a rough sport. I met an NFL alum that played in the Super Bowl and he could hardly walk at 44 years old. Wonder if he had any regrets... Several years ago, there was a documentary done on the likes of these guys. Some were in wheel chairs. They were asked the same question, and ironically most said they had no regrets at all and if able would 'do it again' One of my neighbors was an NFL DE (Tom Nomina, Denver and Miami) and he only played 2 seasons in the show plus high school and college. He is suffering from a multitude of injuries (knee, back etc). These guys get the crap beat out of them. He is a great guy tho and still helps out in the community as much as he can. Sometimes it is a little painful to watch. Pro football has deteriorated into a gladiator sport where deliberately inflicting injuries on opposing players is encouraged. Even professional boxing is a more civilized sport, because you can be penalized or even disqualified for certain actions. I have a friend who was an all-pro linebacker for the 'Skins. I think he played 10 seasons. I never went to see him play because I didn't want to see him sustain a horrific injury. Fortunately, he got out without his brains being scrambled. Pro football is a perfect metaphor for our callous society. Perhaps discussions of your callous society belong in a political forum. Pro football is trying to clean up the purposeful head butting and has imposed some decent fines and penalties therefore. |
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says... On 1/15/12 1:09 AM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 21:11:23 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 14, 10:07 pm, wrote: On 1/14/2012 10:52 PM, Earl wrote: Happy John wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:39:31 -0500, wrote: X ` Man wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Amazing performance but she will probably need knee and hip surgery before she's 50. As my younger daughter, a cheerleader and gymnast in high school, will attest. She goes in for her hip surgery in about a week. That's a rough sport. I met an NFL alum that played in the Super Bowl and he could hardly walk at 44 years old. Wonder if he had any regrets... Several years ago, there was a documentary done on the likes of these guys. Some were in wheel chairs. They were asked the same question, and ironically most said they had no regrets at all and if able would 'do it again' One of my neighbors was an NFL DE (Tom Nomina, Denver and Miami) and he only played 2 seasons in the show plus high school and college. He is suffering from a multitude of injuries (knee, back etc). These guys get the crap beat out of them. He is a great guy tho and still helps out in the community as much as he can. Sometimes it is a little painful to watch. Pro football has deteriorated into a gladiator sport where deliberately inflicting injuries on opposing players is encouraged. Even professional boxing is a more civilized sport, because you can be penalized or even disqualified for certain actions. I have a friend who was an all-pro linebacker for the 'Skins. I think he played 10 seasons. I never went to see him play because I didn't want to see him sustain a horrific injury. Fortunately, he got out without his brains being scrambled. Pro football is a perfect metaphor for our callous society. Harry, you've told us time and time again about your hatred of any sports. Let it go. |
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says... In article af13b6ee-0a8e-4926-b74a-86fc9f7af0f9 @v14g2000yqh.googlegroups.com, says... On Jan 14, 10:07*pm, JustWait wrote: On 1/14/2012 10:52 PM, Earl wrote: Happy John wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:39:31 -0500, wrote: X ` Man wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Amazing performance but she will probably need knee and hip surgery before she's 50. As my younger daughter, a cheerleader and gymnast in high school, will attest. She goes in for her hip surgery in about a week. That's a rough sport. I met an NFL alum that played in the Super Bowl and he could hardly walk at 44 years old. Wonder if he had any regrets... Several years ago, there was a documentary done on the likes of these guys. Some were in wheel chairs. They were asked the same question, and ironically most said they had no regrets at all and if able would 'do it again' Winning and being productive is ingrained in the human psych, at least for most! Survival is the basic instinct of humans all else flows from that. |
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On 1/15/2012 9:27 AM, Happy John wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 08:17:07 -0500, X ` wrote: On 1/15/12 1:09 AM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 21:11:23 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 14, 10:07 pm, wrote: On 1/14/2012 10:52 PM, Earl wrote: Happy John wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:39:31 -0500, wrote: X ` Man wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Amazing performance but she will probably need knee and hip surgery before she's 50. As my younger daughter, a cheerleader and gymnast in high school, will attest. She goes in for her hip surgery in about a week. That's a rough sport. I met an NFL alum that played in the Super Bowl and he could hardly walk at 44 years old. Wonder if he had any regrets... Several years ago, there was a documentary done on the likes of these guys. Some were in wheel chairs. They were asked the same question, and ironically most said they had no regrets at all and if able would 'do it again' One of my neighbors was an NFL DE (Tom Nomina, Denver and Miami) and he only played 2 seasons in the show plus high school and college. He is suffering from a multitude of injuries (knee, back etc). These guys get the crap beat out of them. He is a great guy tho and still helps out in the community as much as he can. Sometimes it is a little painful to watch. Pro football has deteriorated into a gladiator sport where deliberately inflicting injuries on opposing players is encouraged. Even professional boxing is a more civilized sport, because you can be penalized or even disqualified for certain actions. I have a friend who was an all-pro linebacker for the 'Skins. I think he played 10 seasons. I never went to see him play because I didn't want to see him sustain a horrific injury. Fortunately, he got out without his brains being scrambled. Pro football is a perfect metaphor for our callous society. Perhaps discussions of your callous society belong in a political forum. Pro football is trying to clean up the purposeful head butting and has imposed some decent fines and penalties therefore. Did you see the Denver player who went down after trying to use his head for a battering ram last night. He shook it off after a while but re-injured himself later in the game. |
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On 1/15/12 9:27 AM, Happy John wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 08:17:07 -0500, X ` wrote: On 1/15/12 1:09 AM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 21:11:23 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 14, 10:07 pm, wrote: On 1/14/2012 10:52 PM, Earl wrote: Happy John wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:39:31 -0500, wrote: X ` Man wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Amazing performance but she will probably need knee and hip surgery before she's 50. As my younger daughter, a cheerleader and gymnast in high school, will attest. She goes in for her hip surgery in about a week. That's a rough sport. I met an NFL alum that played in the Super Bowl and he could hardly walk at 44 years old. Wonder if he had any regrets... Several years ago, there was a documentary done on the likes of these guys. Some were in wheel chairs. They were asked the same question, and ironically most said they had no regrets at all and if able would 'do it again' One of my neighbors was an NFL DE (Tom Nomina, Denver and Miami) and he only played 2 seasons in the show plus high school and college. He is suffering from a multitude of injuries (knee, back etc). These guys get the crap beat out of them. He is a great guy tho and still helps out in the community as much as he can. Sometimes it is a little painful to watch. Pro football has deteriorated into a gladiator sport where deliberately inflicting injuries on opposing players is encouraged. Even professional boxing is a more civilized sport, because you can be penalized or even disqualified for certain actions. I have a friend who was an all-pro linebacker for the 'Skins. I think he played 10 seasons. I never went to see him play because I didn't want to see him sustain a horrific injury. Fortunately, he got out without his brains being scrambled. Pro football is a perfect metaphor for our callous society. Perhaps discussions of your callous society belong in a political forum. Pro football is trying to clean up the purposeful head butting and has imposed some decent fines and penalties therefore. My response was not political, nor is the term callous intrinsically political. If football wants to clean up its image, it'll take seriously the idea of long suspensions from the sport of players who deliberately try to injure other players, and heavy fines against team owners who tolerate over the top roughness on the part of their players. Of course, bringing down the level of violence will cut into the pro game's popularity and revenues. Football is a rough enough sport when `played in a sportsmanlike fashion. |
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On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 09:36:33 -0500, Oscar wrote:
On 1/15/2012 9:27 AM, Happy John wrote: On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 08:17:07 -0500, X ` wrote: On 1/15/12 1:09 AM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 21:11:23 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 14, 10:07 pm, wrote: On 1/14/2012 10:52 PM, Earl wrote: Happy John wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:39:31 -0500, wrote: X ` Man wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Amazing performance but she will probably need knee and hip surgery before she's 50. As my younger daughter, a cheerleader and gymnast in high school, will attest. She goes in for her hip surgery in about a week. That's a rough sport. I met an NFL alum that played in the Super Bowl and he could hardly walk at 44 years old. Wonder if he had any regrets... Several years ago, there was a documentary done on the likes of these guys. Some were in wheel chairs. They were asked the same question, and ironically most said they had no regrets at all and if able would 'do it again' One of my neighbors was an NFL DE (Tom Nomina, Denver and Miami) and he only played 2 seasons in the show plus high school and college. He is suffering from a multitude of injuries (knee, back etc). These guys get the crap beat out of them. He is a great guy tho and still helps out in the community as much as he can. Sometimes it is a little painful to watch. Pro football has deteriorated into a gladiator sport where deliberately inflicting injuries on opposing players is encouraged. Even professional boxing is a more civilized sport, because you can be penalized or even disqualified for certain actions. I have a friend who was an all-pro linebacker for the 'Skins. I think he played 10 seasons. I never went to see him play because I didn't want to see him sustain a horrific injury. Fortunately, he got out without his brains being scrambled. Pro football is a perfect metaphor for our callous society. Perhaps discussions of your callous society belong in a political forum. Pro football is trying to clean up the purposeful head butting and has imposed some decent fines and penalties therefore. Did you see the Denver player who went down after trying to use his head for a battering ram last night. He shook it off after a while but re-injured himself later in the game. No, But if he was head butting, I think he should be kicked out of about the next five games. The purposeful injuring of another player sucks, but it's sure not confined to our football or our society. One can watch a few minutes of any world-wide professional soccer game and see the same stuff. |
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On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 09:41:05 -0500, X ` Man wrote:
On 1/15/12 9:27 AM, Happy John wrote: On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 08:17:07 -0500, X ` wrote: On 1/15/12 1:09 AM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 21:11:23 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 14, 10:07 pm, wrote: On 1/14/2012 10:52 PM, Earl wrote: Happy John wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:39:31 -0500, wrote: X ` Man wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Amazing performance but she will probably need knee and hip surgery before she's 50. As my younger daughter, a cheerleader and gymnast in high school, will attest. She goes in for her hip surgery in about a week. That's a rough sport. I met an NFL alum that played in the Super Bowl and he could hardly walk at 44 years old. Wonder if he had any regrets... Several years ago, there was a documentary done on the likes of these guys. Some were in wheel chairs. They were asked the same question, and ironically most said they had no regrets at all and if able would 'do it again' One of my neighbors was an NFL DE (Tom Nomina, Denver and Miami) and he only played 2 seasons in the show plus high school and college. He is suffering from a multitude of injuries (knee, back etc). These guys get the crap beat out of them. He is a great guy tho and still helps out in the community as much as he can. Sometimes it is a little painful to watch. Pro football has deteriorated into a gladiator sport where deliberately inflicting injuries on opposing players is encouraged. Even professional boxing is a more civilized sport, because you can be penalized or even disqualified for certain actions. I have a friend who was an all-pro linebacker for the 'Skins. I think he played 10 seasons. I never went to see him play because I didn't want to see him sustain a horrific injury. Fortunately, he got out without his brains being scrambled. Pro football is a perfect metaphor for our callous society. Perhaps discussions of your callous society belong in a political forum. Pro football is trying to clean up the purposeful head butting and has imposed some decent fines and penalties therefore. My response was not political, nor is the term callous intrinsically political. If football wants to clean up its image, it'll take seriously the idea of long suspensions from the sport of players who deliberately try to injure other players, and heavy fines against team owners who tolerate over the top roughness on the part of their players. Of course, bringing down the level of violence will cut into the pro game's popularity and revenues. Football is a rough enough sport when `played in a sportsmanlike fashion. Watch a few professional soccer games. Then come back and discuss 'our callous society'. |
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On 1/15/12 9:34 AM, BAR wrote:
In , says... In articleaf13b6ee-0a8e-4926-b74a-86fc9f7af0f9 @v14g2000yqh.googlegroups.com, says... On Jan 14, 10:07 pm, wrote: On 1/14/2012 10:52 PM, Earl wrote: Happy John wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:39:31 -0500, wrote: X ` Man wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Amazing performance but she will probably need knee and hip surgery before she's 50. As my younger daughter, a cheerleader and gymnast in high school, will attest. She goes in for her hip surgery in about a week. That's a rough sport. I met an NFL alum that played in the Super Bowl and he could hardly walk at 44 years old. Wonder if he had any regrets... Several years ago, there was a documentary done on the likes of these guys. Some were in wheel chairs. They were asked the same question, and ironically most said they had no regrets at all and if able would 'do it again' Winning and being productive is ingrained in the human psych, at least for most! Survival is the basic instinct of humans all else flows from that. Pro football's "bloodthirst" is hardly a metaphor for human life. It's just a game, nothing more. Unfortunately, many of its fans are attracted by its brutality and are willing to pay for their bloodlust. Professional car racing is also a bloodsport and I'd guess more drivers are killed each year than football players. But...if you are a driver and you deliberately cause injuries to another driver, you're likely to be suspended from the sport or tossed out entirely. Let's be honest here. A big part of the attraction of football is the likelihood of seeing over-steroided players beat the crap out of each other, with the chance of seeing several carried off the field with serious injuries. |
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On 1/15/12 9:48 AM, Happy John wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 09:41:05 -0500, X ` wrote: On 1/15/12 9:27 AM, Happy John wrote: On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 08:17:07 -0500, X ` wrote: On 1/15/12 1:09 AM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 21:11:23 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 14, 10:07 pm, wrote: On 1/14/2012 10:52 PM, Earl wrote: Happy John wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:39:31 -0500, wrote: X ` Man wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Amazing performance but she will probably need knee and hip surgery before she's 50. As my younger daughter, a cheerleader and gymnast in high school, will attest. She goes in for her hip surgery in about a week. That's a rough sport. I met an NFL alum that played in the Super Bowl and he could hardly walk at 44 years old. Wonder if he had any regrets... Several years ago, there was a documentary done on the likes of these guys. Some were in wheel chairs. They were asked the same question, and ironically most said they had no regrets at all and if able would 'do it again' One of my neighbors was an NFL DE (Tom Nomina, Denver and Miami) and he only played 2 seasons in the show plus high school and college. He is suffering from a multitude of injuries (knee, back etc). These guys get the crap beat out of them. He is a great guy tho and still helps out in the community as much as he can. Sometimes it is a little painful to watch. Pro football has deteriorated into a gladiator sport where deliberately inflicting injuries on opposing players is encouraged. Even professional boxing is a more civilized sport, because you can be penalized or even disqualified for certain actions. I have a friend who was an all-pro linebacker for the 'Skins. I think he played 10 seasons. I never went to see him play because I didn't want to see him sustain a horrific injury. Fortunately, he got out without his brains being scrambled. Pro football is a perfect metaphor for our callous society. Perhaps discussions of your callous society belong in a political forum. Pro football is trying to clean up the purposeful head butting and has imposed some decent fines and penalties therefore. My response was not political, nor is the term callous intrinsically political. If football wants to clean up its image, it'll take seriously the idea of long suspensions from the sport of players who deliberately try to injure other players, and heavy fines against team owners who tolerate over the top roughness on the part of their players. Of course, bringing down the level of violence will cut into the pro game's popularity and revenues. Football is a rough enough sport when `played in a sportsmanlike fashion. Watch a few professional soccer games. Then come back and discuss 'our callous society'. I doubt I could sit through any professional soccer game...the sport bores me. For popular team sports, I prefer baseball and basketball and track and field. I understand the appeal of football to its fans. I'm just not a fan, and never have been. |
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On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 09:50:22 -0500, X ` Man wrote:
On 1/15/12 9:34 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... In articleaf13b6ee-0a8e-4926-b74a-86fc9f7af0f9 @v14g2000yqh.googlegroups.com, says... On Jan 14, 10:07 pm, wrote: On 1/14/2012 10:52 PM, Earl wrote: Happy John wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:39:31 -0500, wrote: X ` Man wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Amazing performance but she will probably need knee and hip surgery before she's 50. As my younger daughter, a cheerleader and gymnast in high school, will attest. She goes in for her hip surgery in about a week. That's a rough sport. I met an NFL alum that played in the Super Bowl and he could hardly walk at 44 years old. Wonder if he had any regrets... Several years ago, there was a documentary done on the likes of these guys. Some were in wheel chairs. They were asked the same question, and ironically most said they had no regrets at all and if able would 'do it again' Winning and being productive is ingrained in the human psych, at least for most! Survival is the basic instinct of humans all else flows from that. Pro football's "bloodthirst" is hardly a metaphor for human life. It's just a game, nothing more. Unfortunately, many of its fans are attracted by its brutality and are willing to pay for their bloodlust. Professional car racing is also a bloodsport and I'd guess more drivers are killed each year than football players. But...if you are a driver and you deliberately cause injuries to another driver, you're likely to be suspended from the sport or tossed out entirely. Let's be honest here. A big part of the attraction of football is the likelihood of seeing over-steroided players beat the crap out of each other, with the chance of seeing several carried off the field with serious injuries. Fine, but be honest. The attraction of seeing players beat the crap out of each other is not limited to *our society*. Check out rugby, soccer, Australian football, or any of the other sports activities from societies other than *ours*. I suppose the Chinese, and their ping-pong, are fairly 'uncallous' activities. |
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On 1/15/2012 9:50 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 1/15/12 9:34 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... In articleaf13b6ee-0a8e-4926-b74a-86fc9f7af0f9 @v14g2000yqh.googlegroups.com, says... On Jan 14, 10:07 pm, wrote: On 1/14/2012 10:52 PM, Earl wrote: Happy John wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:39:31 -0500, wrote: X ` Man wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Amazing performance but she will probably need knee and hip surgery before she's 50. As my younger daughter, a cheerleader and gymnast in high school, will attest. She goes in for her hip surgery in about a week. That's a rough sport. I met an NFL alum that played in the Super Bowl and he could hardly walk at 44 years old. Wonder if he had any regrets... Several years ago, there was a documentary done on the likes of these guys. Some were in wheel chairs. They were asked the same question, and ironically most said they had no regrets at all and if able would 'do it again' Winning and being productive is ingrained in the human psych, at least for most! Survival is the basic instinct of humans all else flows from that. Pro football's "bloodthirst" is hardly a metaphor for human life. It's just a game, nothing more. Unfortunately, many of its fans are attracted by its brutality and are willing to pay for their bloodlust. Professional car racing is also a bloodsport and I'd guess more drivers are killed each year than football players. But...if you are a driver and you deliberately cause injuries to another driver, you're likely to be suspended from the sport or tossed out entirely. Let's be honest here. A big part of the attraction of football is the likelihood of seeing over-steroided players beat the crap out of each other, with the chance of seeing several carried off the field with serious injuries. Speak for yourself. |
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On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 09:53:50 -0500, X ` Man wrote:
On 1/15/12 9:48 AM, Happy John wrote: On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 09:41:05 -0500, X ` wrote: On 1/15/12 9:27 AM, Happy John wrote: On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 08:17:07 -0500, X ` wrote: On 1/15/12 1:09 AM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 21:11:23 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 14, 10:07 pm, wrote: On 1/14/2012 10:52 PM, Earl wrote: Happy John wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:39:31 -0500, wrote: X ` Man wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Amazing performance but she will probably need knee and hip surgery before she's 50. As my younger daughter, a cheerleader and gymnast in high school, will attest. She goes in for her hip surgery in about a week. That's a rough sport. I met an NFL alum that played in the Super Bowl and he could hardly walk at 44 years old. Wonder if he had any regrets... Several years ago, there was a documentary done on the likes of these guys. Some were in wheel chairs. They were asked the same question, and ironically most said they had no regrets at all and if able would 'do it again' One of my neighbors was an NFL DE (Tom Nomina, Denver and Miami) and he only played 2 seasons in the show plus high school and college. He is suffering from a multitude of injuries (knee, back etc). These guys get the crap beat out of them. He is a great guy tho and still helps out in the community as much as he can. Sometimes it is a little painful to watch. Pro football has deteriorated into a gladiator sport where deliberately inflicting injuries on opposing players is encouraged. Even professional boxing is a more civilized sport, because you can be penalized or even disqualified for certain actions. I have a friend who was an all-pro linebacker for the 'Skins. I think he played 10 seasons. I never went to see him play because I didn't want to see him sustain a horrific injury. Fortunately, he got out without his brains being scrambled. Pro football is a perfect metaphor for our callous society. Perhaps discussions of your callous society belong in a political forum. Pro football is trying to clean up the purposeful head butting and has imposed some decent fines and penalties therefore. My response was not political, nor is the term callous intrinsically political. If football wants to clean up its image, it'll take seriously the idea of long suspensions from the sport of players who deliberately try to injure other players, and heavy fines against team owners who tolerate over the top roughness on the part of their players. Of course, bringing down the level of violence will cut into the pro game's popularity and revenues. Football is a rough enough sport when `played in a sportsmanlike fashion. Watch a few professional soccer games. Then come back and discuss 'our callous society'. I doubt I could sit through any professional soccer game...the sport bores me. For popular team sports, I prefer baseball and basketball and track and field. I understand the appeal of football to its fans. I'm just not a fan, and never have been. And thus you limit your unsportsmanlike conduct to 'our callous society'. Well, in this case you're quite wrong. |
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On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 10:00:47 -0500, Oscar wrote:
On 1/15/2012 9:50 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 1/15/12 9:34 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... In articleaf13b6ee-0a8e-4926-b74a-86fc9f7af0f9 @v14g2000yqh.googlegroups.com, says... On Jan 14, 10:07 pm, wrote: On 1/14/2012 10:52 PM, Earl wrote: Happy John wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:39:31 -0500, wrote: X ` Man wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Amazing performance but she will probably need knee and hip surgery before she's 50. As my younger daughter, a cheerleader and gymnast in high school, will attest. She goes in for her hip surgery in about a week. That's a rough sport. I met an NFL alum that played in the Super Bowl and he could hardly walk at 44 years old. Wonder if he had any regrets... Several years ago, there was a documentary done on the likes of these guys. Some were in wheel chairs. They were asked the same question, and ironically most said they had no regrets at all and if able would 'do it again' Winning and being productive is ingrained in the human psych, at least for most! Survival is the basic instinct of humans all else flows from that. Pro football's "bloodthirst" is hardly a metaphor for human life. It's just a game, nothing more. Unfortunately, many of its fans are attracted by its brutality and are willing to pay for their bloodlust. Professional car racing is also a bloodsport and I'd guess more drivers are killed each year than football players. But...if you are a driver and you deliberately cause injuries to another driver, you're likely to be suspended from the sport or tossed out entirely. Let's be honest here. A big part of the attraction of football is the likelihood of seeing over-steroided players beat the crap out of each other, with the chance of seeing several carried off the field with serious injuries. Speak for yourself. He most surely is. |
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On 1/15/12 9:57 AM, Happy John wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 09:50:22 -0500, X ` wrote: On 1/15/12 9:34 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... In articleaf13b6ee-0a8e-4926-b74a-86fc9f7af0f9 @v14g2000yqh.googlegroups.com, says... On Jan 14, 10:07 pm, wrote: On 1/14/2012 10:52 PM, Earl wrote: Happy John wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:39:31 -0500, wrote: X ` Man wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Amazing performance but she will probably need knee and hip surgery before she's 50. As my younger daughter, a cheerleader and gymnast in high school, will attest. She goes in for her hip surgery in about a week. That's a rough sport. I met an NFL alum that played in the Super Bowl and he could hardly walk at 44 years old. Wonder if he had any regrets... Several years ago, there was a documentary done on the likes of these guys. Some were in wheel chairs. They were asked the same question, and ironically most said they had no regrets at all and if able would 'do it again' Winning and being productive is ingrained in the human psych, at least for most! Survival is the basic instinct of humans all else flows from that. Pro football's "bloodthirst" is hardly a metaphor for human life. It's just a game, nothing more. Unfortunately, many of its fans are attracted by its brutality and are willing to pay for their bloodlust. Professional car racing is also a bloodsport and I'd guess more drivers are killed each year than football players. But...if you are a driver and you deliberately cause injuries to another driver, you're likely to be suspended from the sport or tossed out entirely. Let's be honest here. A big part of the attraction of football is the likelihood of seeing over-steroided players beat the crap out of each other, with the chance of seeing several carried off the field with serious injuries. Fine, but be honest. The attraction of seeing players beat the crap out of each other is not limited to *our society*. Check out rugby, soccer, Australian football, or any of the other sports activities from societies other than *ours*. I suppose the Chinese, and their ping-pong, are fairly 'uncallous' activities. I won't argue that our pro football is the only sport in which the players deliberately try to seriously injure the opposing players, but...I don't watch those sorts of sports, whatever they are. I did, however, state that I like professional boxing, but even in that obviously blood sport, there are rules that usually are strictly enforced and, if you break them, you'll likely lose the match through disqualification and possibly your license to box again. That sort of oversight should be applied to professional football. Deliberately try to injure another player, you're out of the game. Do it repeatedly and you're banned from the game. |
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On 1/15/2012 9:27 AM, Happy John wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 08:17:07 -0500, X ` wrote: On 1/15/12 1:09 AM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 21:11:23 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 14, 10:07 pm, wrote: On 1/14/2012 10:52 PM, Earl wrote: Happy John wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:39:31 -0500, wrote: X ` Man wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Amazing performance but she will probably need knee and hip surgery before she's 50. As my younger daughter, a cheerleader and gymnast in high school, will attest. She goes in for her hip surgery in about a week. That's a rough sport. I met an NFL alum that played in the Super Bowl and he could hardly walk at 44 years old. Wonder if he had any regrets... Several years ago, there was a documentary done on the likes of these guys. Some were in wheel chairs. They were asked the same question, and ironically most said they had no regrets at all and if able would 'do it again' One of my neighbors was an NFL DE (Tom Nomina, Denver and Miami) and he only played 2 seasons in the show plus high school and college. He is suffering from a multitude of injuries (knee, back etc). These guys get the crap beat out of them. He is a great guy tho and still helps out in the community as much as he can. Sometimes it is a little painful to watch. Pro football has deteriorated into a gladiator sport where deliberately inflicting injuries on opposing players is encouraged. Even professional boxing is a more civilized sport, because you can be penalized or even disqualified for certain actions. I have a friend who was an all-pro linebacker for the 'Skins. I think he played 10 seasons. I never went to see him play because I didn't want to see him sustain a horrific injury. Fortunately, he got out without his brains being scrambled. Pro football is a perfect metaphor for our callous society. Perhaps discussions of your callous society belong in a political forum. Pro football is trying to clean up the purposeful head butting and has imposed some decent fines and penalties therefore. It's amazing how different the two opinions can be from one person who watches and follows Football, and another who doesn't... |
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On 1/15/2012 10:03 AM, Happy John wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 09:53:50 -0500, X ` wrote: On 1/15/12 9:48 AM, Happy John wrote: On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 09:41:05 -0500, X ` wrote: On 1/15/12 9:27 AM, Happy John wrote: On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 08:17:07 -0500, X ` wrote: On 1/15/12 1:09 AM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 21:11:23 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 14, 10:07 pm, wrote: On 1/14/2012 10:52 PM, Earl wrote: Happy John wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:39:31 -0500, wrote: X ` Man wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Amazing performance but she will probably need knee and hip surgery before she's 50. As my younger daughter, a cheerleader and gymnast in high school, will attest. She goes in for her hip surgery in about a week. That's a rough sport. I met an NFL alum that played in the Super Bowl and he could hardly walk at 44 years old. Wonder if he had any regrets... Several years ago, there was a documentary done on the likes of these guys. Some were in wheel chairs. They were asked the same question, and ironically most said they had no regrets at all and if able would 'do it again' One of my neighbors was an NFL DE (Tom Nomina, Denver and Miami) and he only played 2 seasons in the show plus high school and college. He is suffering from a multitude of injuries (knee, back etc). These guys get the crap beat out of them. He is a great guy tho and still helps out in the community as much as he can. Sometimes it is a little painful to watch. Pro football has deteriorated into a gladiator sport where deliberately inflicting injuries on opposing players is encouraged. Even professional boxing is a more civilized sport, because you can be penalized or even disqualified for certain actions. I have a friend who was an all-pro linebacker for the 'Skins. I think he played 10 seasons. I never went to see him play because I didn't want to see him sustain a horrific injury. Fortunately, he got out without his brains being scrambled. Pro football is a perfect metaphor for our callous society. Perhaps discussions of your callous society belong in a political forum. Pro football is trying to clean up the purposeful head butting and has imposed some decent fines and penalties therefore. My response was not political, nor is the term callous intrinsically political. If football wants to clean up its image, it'll take seriously the idea of long suspensions from the sport of players who deliberately try to injure other players, and heavy fines against team owners who tolerate over the top roughness on the part of their players. Of course, bringing down the level of violence will cut into the pro game's popularity and revenues. Football is a rough enough sport when `played in a sportsmanlike fashion. Watch a few professional soccer games. Then come back and discuss 'our callous society'. I doubt I could sit through any professional soccer game...the sport bores me. For popular team sports, I prefer baseball and basketball and track and field. I understand the appeal of football to its fans. I'm just not a fan, and never have been. And thus you limit your unsportsmanlike conduct to 'our callous society'. Well, in this case you're quite wrong. If you want to see great sports, you all should have watched the AMA Supercross from Phoenix Last night... All action, no goons fighting... |
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On 1/15/2012 9:50 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 1/15/12 9:34 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... In articleaf13b6ee-0a8e-4926-b74a-86fc9f7af0f9 @v14g2000yqh.googlegroups.com, says... On Jan 14, 10:07 pm, wrote: On 1/14/2012 10:52 PM, Earl wrote: Happy John wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:39:31 -0500, wrote: X ` Man wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Amazing performance but she will probably need knee and hip surgery before she's 50. As my younger daughter, a cheerleader and gymnast in high school, will attest. She goes in for her hip surgery in about a week. That's a rough sport. I met an NFL alum that played in the Super Bowl and he could hardly walk at 44 years old. Wonder if he had any regrets... Several years ago, there was a documentary done on the likes of these guys. Some were in wheel chairs. They were asked the same question, and ironically most said they had no regrets at all and if able would 'do it again' Winning and being productive is ingrained in the human psych, at least for most! Survival is the basic instinct of humans all else flows from that. Pro football's "bloodthirst" is hardly a metaphor for human life. It's just a game, nothing more. Unfortunately, many of its fans are attracted by its brutality and are willing to pay for their bloodlust. Professional car racing is also a bloodsport and I'd guess more drivers are killed each year than football players. But...if you are a driver and you deliberately cause injuries to another driver, you're likely to be suspended from the sport or tossed out entirely. Let's be honest here. A big part of the attraction of football is the likelihood of seeing over-steroided players beat the crap out of each other, with the chance of seeing several carried off the field with serious injuries. You being a non-participant and non-fan makes for a very wrong view of the spectators of both Racing and Football. Maybe the thugs you hung out with liked to see just the smashing of bodies and metal, but most real fans don't.... |
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On 1/15/12 10:08 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/15/2012 9:27 AM, Happy John wrote: On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 08:17:07 -0500, X ` wrote: On 1/15/12 1:09 AM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 21:11:23 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 14, 10:07 pm, wrote: On 1/14/2012 10:52 PM, Earl wrote: Happy John wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:39:31 -0500, wrote: X ` Man wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Amazing performance but she will probably need knee and hip surgery before she's 50. As my younger daughter, a cheerleader and gymnast in high school, will attest. She goes in for her hip surgery in about a week. That's a rough sport. I met an NFL alum that played in the Super Bowl and he could hardly walk at 44 years old. Wonder if he had any regrets... Several years ago, there was a documentary done on the likes of these guys. Some were in wheel chairs. They were asked the same question, and ironically most said they had no regrets at all and if able would 'do it again' One of my neighbors was an NFL DE (Tom Nomina, Denver and Miami) and he only played 2 seasons in the show plus high school and college. He is suffering from a multitude of injuries (knee, back etc). These guys get the crap beat out of them. He is a great guy tho and still helps out in the community as much as he can. Sometimes it is a little painful to watch. Pro football has deteriorated into a gladiator sport where deliberately inflicting injuries on opposing players is encouraged. Even professional boxing is a more civilized sport, because you can be penalized or even disqualified for certain actions. I have a friend who was an all-pro linebacker for the 'Skins. I think he played 10 seasons. I never went to see him play because I didn't want to see him sustain a horrific injury. Fortunately, he got out without his brains being scrambled. Pro football is a perfect metaphor for our callous society. Perhaps discussions of your callous society belong in a political forum. Pro football is trying to clean up the purposeful head butting and has imposed some decent fines and penalties therefore. It's amazing how different the two opinions can be from one person who watches and follows Football, and another who doesn't... What happens to a motorcycle racer in your daughter's sport who deliberately drives in a fashion that causes accidents and injuries to the other racers? My guess is that he or she would be tossed, either for a season or permanently. These sports are dangerous enough without having "players" who are out there deliberately trying to injure other participants. |
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On 1/15/2012 10:00 AM, Oscar wrote:
On 1/15/2012 9:50 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 1/15/12 9:34 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... In articleaf13b6ee-0a8e-4926-b74a-86fc9f7af0f9 @v14g2000yqh.googlegroups.com, says... On Jan 14, 10:07 pm, wrote: On 1/14/2012 10:52 PM, Earl wrote: Happy John wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:39:31 -0500, wrote: X ` Man wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Amazing performance but she will probably need knee and hip surgery before she's 50. As my younger daughter, a cheerleader and gymnast in high school, will attest. She goes in for her hip surgery in about a week. That's a rough sport. I met an NFL alum that played in the Super Bowl and he could hardly walk at 44 years old. Wonder if he had any regrets... Several years ago, there was a documentary done on the likes of these guys. Some were in wheel chairs. They were asked the same question, and ironically most said they had no regrets at all and if able would 'do it again' Winning and being productive is ingrained in the human psych, at least for most! Survival is the basic instinct of humans all else flows from that. Pro football's "bloodthirst" is hardly a metaphor for human life. It's just a game, nothing more. Unfortunately, many of its fans are attracted by its brutality and are willing to pay for their bloodlust. Professional car racing is also a bloodsport and I'd guess more drivers are killed each year than football players. But...if you are a driver and you deliberately cause injuries to another driver, you're likely to be suspended from the sport or tossed out entirely. Let's be honest here. A big part of the attraction of football is the likelihood of seeing over-steroided players beat the crap out of each other, with the chance of seeing several carried off the field with serious injuries. Speak for yourself. Exactly... |
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On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 10:06:20 -0500, X ` Man wrote:
On 1/15/12 9:57 AM, Happy John wrote: On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 09:50:22 -0500, X ` wrote: On 1/15/12 9:34 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... In articleaf13b6ee-0a8e-4926-b74a-86fc9f7af0f9 @v14g2000yqh.googlegroups.com, says... On Jan 14, 10:07 pm, wrote: On 1/14/2012 10:52 PM, Earl wrote: Happy John wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:39:31 -0500, wrote: X ` Man wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Amazing performance but she will probably need knee and hip surgery before she's 50. As my younger daughter, a cheerleader and gymnast in high school, will attest. She goes in for her hip surgery in about a week. That's a rough sport. I met an NFL alum that played in the Super Bowl and he could hardly walk at 44 years old. Wonder if he had any regrets... Several years ago, there was a documentary done on the likes of these guys. Some were in wheel chairs. They were asked the same question, and ironically most said they had no regrets at all and if able would 'do it again' Winning and being productive is ingrained in the human psych, at least for most! Survival is the basic instinct of humans all else flows from that. Pro football's "bloodthirst" is hardly a metaphor for human life. It's just a game, nothing more. Unfortunately, many of its fans are attracted by its brutality and are willing to pay for their bloodlust. Professional car racing is also a bloodsport and I'd guess more drivers are killed each year than football players. But...if you are a driver and you deliberately cause injuries to another driver, you're likely to be suspended from the sport or tossed out entirely. Let's be honest here. A big part of the attraction of football is the likelihood of seeing over-steroided players beat the crap out of each other, with the chance of seeing several carried off the field with serious injuries. Fine, but be honest. The attraction of seeing players beat the crap out of each other is not limited to *our society*. Check out rugby, soccer, Australian football, or any of the other sports activities from societies other than *ours*. I suppose the Chinese, and their ping-pong, are fairly 'uncallous' activities. I won't argue that our pro football is the only sport in which the players deliberately try to seriously injure the opposing players, but...I don't watch those sorts of sports, whatever they are. I did, however, state that I like professional boxing, but even in that obviously blood sport, there are rules that usually are strictly enforced and, if you break them, you'll likely lose the match through disqualification and possibly your license to box again. That sort of oversight should be applied to professional football. Deliberately try to injure another player, you're out of the game. Do it repeatedly and you're banned from the game. I agree that strong penalties should be given to *anyone* in *any* sport who deliberately tries to injure another player. American professional football happens to be *one* sport among *many* in which such activities occur. Perhaps your comment 'our callous society' wasn't quite justified? Perhaps you meant to say 'mankind's callousness'? |
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On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 10:11:38 -0500, JustWait wrote:
On 1/15/2012 10:03 AM, Happy John wrote: On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 09:53:50 -0500, X ` wrote: On 1/15/12 9:48 AM, Happy John wrote: On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 09:41:05 -0500, X ` wrote: On 1/15/12 9:27 AM, Happy John wrote: On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 08:17:07 -0500, X ` wrote: On 1/15/12 1:09 AM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 21:11:23 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 14, 10:07 pm, wrote: On 1/14/2012 10:52 PM, Earl wrote: Happy John wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:39:31 -0500, wrote: X ` Man wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Amazing performance but she will probably need knee and hip surgery before she's 50. As my younger daughter, a cheerleader and gymnast in high school, will attest. She goes in for her hip surgery in about a week. That's a rough sport. I met an NFL alum that played in the Super Bowl and he could hardly walk at 44 years old. Wonder if he had any regrets... Several years ago, there was a documentary done on the likes of these guys. Some were in wheel chairs. They were asked the same question, and ironically most said they had no regrets at all and if able would 'do it again' One of my neighbors was an NFL DE (Tom Nomina, Denver and Miami) and he only played 2 seasons in the show plus high school and college. He is suffering from a multitude of injuries (knee, back etc). These guys get the crap beat out of them. He is a great guy tho and still helps out in the community as much as he can. Sometimes it is a little painful to watch. Pro football has deteriorated into a gladiator sport where deliberately inflicting injuries on opposing players is encouraged. Even professional boxing is a more civilized sport, because you can be penalized or even disqualified for certain actions. I have a friend who was an all-pro linebacker for the 'Skins. I think he played 10 seasons. I never went to see him play because I didn't want to see him sustain a horrific injury. Fortunately, he got out without his brains being scrambled. Pro football is a perfect metaphor for our callous society. Perhaps discussions of your callous society belong in a political forum. Pro football is trying to clean up the purposeful head butting and has imposed some decent fines and penalties therefore. My response was not political, nor is the term callous intrinsically political. If football wants to clean up its image, it'll take seriously the idea of long suspensions from the sport of players who deliberately try to injure other players, and heavy fines against team owners who tolerate over the top roughness on the part of their players. Of course, bringing down the level of violence will cut into the pro game's popularity and revenues. Football is a rough enough sport when `played in a sportsmanlike fashion. Watch a few professional soccer games. Then come back and discuss 'our callous society'. I doubt I could sit through any professional soccer game...the sport bores me. For popular team sports, I prefer baseball and basketball and track and field. I understand the appeal of football to its fans. I'm just not a fan, and never have been. And thus you limit your unsportsmanlike conduct to 'our callous society'. Well, in this case you're quite wrong. If you want to see great sports, you all should have watched the AMA Supercross from Phoenix Last night... All action, no goons fighting... I missed last night's, but watched quite a bit on Speed channel for the past few days. Amazing riders! |
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On 1/15/2012 10:23 AM, Happy John wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 10:11:38 -0500, wrote: On 1/15/2012 10:03 AM, Happy John wrote: On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 09:53:50 -0500, X ` wrote: On 1/15/12 9:48 AM, Happy John wrote: On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 09:41:05 -0500, X ` wrote: On 1/15/12 9:27 AM, Happy John wrote: On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 08:17:07 -0500, X ` wrote: On 1/15/12 1:09 AM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 21:11:23 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Jan 14, 10:07 pm, wrote: On 1/14/2012 10:52 PM, Earl wrote: Happy John wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:39:31 -0500, wrote: X ` Man wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Amazing performance but she will probably need knee and hip surgery before she's 50. As my younger daughter, a cheerleader and gymnast in high school, will attest. She goes in for her hip surgery in about a week. That's a rough sport. I met an NFL alum that played in the Super Bowl and he could hardly walk at 44 years old. Wonder if he had any regrets... Several years ago, there was a documentary done on the likes of these guys. Some were in wheel chairs. They were asked the same question, and ironically most said they had no regrets at all and if able would 'do it again' One of my neighbors was an NFL DE (Tom Nomina, Denver and Miami) and he only played 2 seasons in the show plus high school and college. He is suffering from a multitude of injuries (knee, back etc). These guys get the crap beat out of them. He is a great guy tho and still helps out in the community as much as he can. Sometimes it is a little painful to watch. Pro football has deteriorated into a gladiator sport where deliberately inflicting injuries on opposing players is encouraged. Even professional boxing is a more civilized sport, because you can be penalized or even disqualified for certain actions. I have a friend who was an all-pro linebacker for the 'Skins. I think he played 10 seasons. I never went to see him play because I didn't want to see him sustain a horrific injury. Fortunately, he got out without his brains being scrambled. Pro football is a perfect metaphor for our callous society. Perhaps discussions of your callous society belong in a political forum. Pro football is trying to clean up the purposeful head butting and has imposed some decent fines and penalties therefore. My response was not political, nor is the term callous intrinsically political. If football wants to clean up its image, it'll take seriously the idea of long suspensions from the sport of players who deliberately try to injure other players, and heavy fines against team owners who tolerate over the top roughness on the part of their players. Of course, bringing down the level of violence will cut into the pro game's popularity and revenues. Football is a rough enough sport when `played in a sportsmanlike fashion. Watch a few professional soccer games. Then come back and discuss 'our callous society'. I doubt I could sit through any professional soccer game...the sport bores me. For popular team sports, I prefer baseball and basketball and track and field. I understand the appeal of football to its fans. I'm just not a fan, and never have been. And thus you limit your unsportsmanlike conduct to 'our callous society'. Well, in this case you're quite wrong. If you want to see great sports, you all should have watched the AMA Supercross from Phoenix Last night... All action, no goons fighting... I missed last night's, but watched quite a bit on Speed channel for the past few days. Amazing riders! I always love the back stories on these kids too... These are truly great kids with great families.. |
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On 1/15/2012 10:06 AM, X ` Man wrote:
I won't argue that our pro football is the only sport in which the players deliberately try to seriously injure the opposing players, but...I don't watch those sorts of sports, whatever they are. I did, however, state that I like professional boxing, but even in that obviously blood sport, there are rules that usually are strictly enforced and, if you break them, you'll likely lose the match through disqualification and possibly your license to box again. Are there rules in boxing that are designed to prevent the infliction of all serious injury or even death? Boxing in all of it's forms is the only true blood sport as far as I am concerned. Now, if you want to include animals, you can add hunting, fishing, dog fighting etc. to the list |
If this doesn't make you feel old and creaky...
On 1/15/2012 10:13 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 1/15/2012 9:50 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 1/15/12 9:34 AM, BAR wrote: In , says... In articleaf13b6ee-0a8e-4926-b74a-86fc9f7af0f9 @v14g2000yqh.googlegroups.com, says... On Jan 14, 10:07 pm, wrote: On 1/14/2012 10:52 PM, Earl wrote: Happy John wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 20:39:31 -0500, wrote: X ` Man wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK9TP...&feature=share Amazing performance but she will probably need knee and hip surgery before she's 50. As my younger daughter, a cheerleader and gymnast in high school, will attest. She goes in for her hip surgery in about a week. That's a rough sport. I met an NFL alum that played in the Super Bowl and he could hardly walk at 44 years old. Wonder if he had any regrets... Several years ago, there was a documentary done on the likes of these guys. Some were in wheel chairs. They were asked the same question, and ironically most said they had no regrets at all and if able would 'do it again' Winning and being productive is ingrained in the human psych, at least for most! Survival is the basic instinct of humans all else flows from that. Pro football's "bloodthirst" is hardly a metaphor for human life. It's just a game, nothing more. Unfortunately, many of its fans are attracted by its brutality and are willing to pay for their bloodlust. Professional car racing is also a bloodsport and I'd guess more drivers are killed each year than football players. But...if you are a driver and you deliberately cause injuries to another driver, you're likely to be suspended from the sport or tossed out entirely. Let's be honest here. A big part of the attraction of football is the likelihood of seeing over-steroided players beat the crap out of each other, with the chance of seeing several carried off the field with serious injuries. You being a non-participant and non-fan makes for a very wrong view of the spectators of both Racing and Football. Maybe the thugs you hung out with liked to see just the smashing of bodies and metal, but most real fans don't.... Can we do this without personal attacks? |
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On 1/15/2012 10:16 AM, Happy John wrote:
I agree that strong penalties should be given to *anyone* in *any* sport who deliberately tries to injure another player. American professional football happens to be *one* sport among *many* in which such activities occur. This implies that boxing should be banished from the sporting world. And I agree with that. |
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