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Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

When an H-1 visa engineer that is just as capable as a USA born
engineer will work for $60k, you think we can compete in the
world market?

If we had our **** together and did a decent job of educating our kids, we
could be pumping out labor ready technical folks who'd be damned pleased
to
make $40 to $60K a year. We haven't made the investment in our own
educational infrastructure, India obviously has.

It's just another example of how we've ceded our competitive edge to
others -- in an industry we invented.

Stupid.

You call me stupid? Read your statement and then go look in the mirror. We
seem to have non labor ready carpenters that require 80k a year,
longshoreman that require 100k+ and you think a college educated, labor
ready person will want to work for 40-60K?



It's your own fault you made the wrong career choices.

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Calif Bill wrote:


Explain to us why a man's dress shirt, which used to cost $20 when
produced in this country by a unionized workforce making $7.00 a hour
now costs $60 when produced by an exploited workforce in China making 10
cents an hour.

Maybe you should be making dress shirts. Get your union members to start up
a co-op and sell the shirt for $50. And most of those dress shirts are
coming from xmarts and cost $12.

I forgot. You're retired. You don't need dress shirts.

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"jps" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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Mostly veneers and implants. Bridges are so passe.

I have to have one of my bottom molars pulled. It's a no hope situation.
I
was thinking a post in the jawbone would be far more preferable and
permanent as compared to a bridge.


Lots of factors to consider:

*What shape are the teeth in on either side of the space?
If the teeth on either side (aka--abutments) have no fillings (or very small
fillings) then I wouldn't shave them down for a bridge.

*Why is the tooth that's about to be removed considered"hopeless"?
If it's due to perio disease, and there's a significant amount of bone loss,
then placing an implant may require a block bone grafting procedure first.
Not a "huge" deal...but certainly complicates the treatment planning and
time frame a little bit.

*Are you counting on insurance for reimbursement?
Most companies won't pay for implants...yet.


Statistically, implants have a better 10+ year prognosis than bridges...but
I've seen many bridges last 30 years or more.

If I had a space with a "virgin" tooth (no decay, crowns, or fillings) on
either side, I would absolutely get an implant...rather than cut down two
healthy teeth.

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Gene,
Let's just agree to disagree. You see one end of the spectrum...and I see
the other. The economy isn't as bad as you portray it...and probably not as
good as it appears to me.


"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 00:56:31 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
.. .



Tell you what. I'll tell *you* when the economy gets better.

WTF do you think *you* are? I thought any fool could see the economy is
improving...but obviously I found one fool (you) that can't.


WTF am I ? Weeelllll please let me explain.....


I'm the guy working with people THAT DON'T HAVE MEDICAL INSURANCE (or
a job) to pay people like you so that you can live the good life....
with a big boat and "let them eat cake" attitude.

These people, if able, are more intent on holding onto their houses,
automobiles, and property. The fine things are gone... the boats,
sports cars, and the wife's jewelry.... the goodies eventually ended
up in China.... with the Chinese communist government, I guess... but
that is the sign of a strong US economy, right?

WTF am I? I'm the one with his head out of his rectum far enough to
see that not everybody is living the good life in this wonderful
economy.... nor has any reason to believe that things will improve in
the foreseeable future...

Just because you are doing well doesn't mean that the US or the
economy is.... it just says a lot about your self-centered world.

--



Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/
Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillage.com/directions.asp Where
Southport,NC is located.
http://www.southharbourvillage.com/autoupdater.htm Real Time Pictures
at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats
at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

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The reason I picked the "catchy by-lines", was not for so much as what they
said, as for which news organizations printed them. When two usually
gloom-and-doom news outlets like the Washington Post and CBS are writing
headlines that are as positive as those are, it's speaks volumes on the
perceived condition of an improving economy.



"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 00:15:35 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

Gene,
Let's just agree to disagree. You see one end of the spectrum...and I
see
the other. The economy isn't as bad as you portray it...and probably not
as
good as it appears to me.



Fair enough.....and probably an accurate assessment... if you'll post
the WHOLE news story and not just a catchy by-line....... in other
words..... quit pushing my buttons.



"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 00:56:31 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
.. .



Tell you what. I'll tell *you* when the economy gets better.

WTF do you think *you* are? I thought any fool could see the economy
is
improving...but obviously I found one fool (you) that can't.


WTF am I ? Weeelllll please let me explain.....


I'm the guy working with people THAT DON'T HAVE MEDICAL INSURANCE (or
a job) to pay people like you so that you can live the good life....
with a big boat and "let them eat cake" attitude.

These people, if able, are more intent on holding onto their houses,
automobiles, and property. The fine things are gone... the boats,
sports cars, and the wife's jewelry.... the goodies eventually ended
up in China.... with the Chinese communist government, I guess... but
that is the sign of a strong US economy, right?

WTF am I? I'm the one with his head out of his rectum far enough to
see that not everybody is living the good life in this wonderful
economy.... nor has any reason to believe that things will improve in
the foreseeable future...

Just because you are doing well doesn't mean that the US or the
economy is.... it just says a lot about your self-centered world.

--



Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/
Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillage.com/directions.asp Where
Southport,NC is located.
http://www.southharbourvillage.com/autoupdater.htm Real Time
Pictures
at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats
Rec.boats
at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide







--



Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/
Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillage.com/directions.asp Where
Southport,NC is located.
http://www.southharbourvillage.com/autoupdater.htm Real Time Pictures
at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats
at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

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"NOYB" wrote in message
...

If I had a space with a "virgin" tooth (no decay, crowns, or fillings) on
either side, I would absolutely get an implant...rather than cut down two
healthy teeth.

I don't think there's an untouched ivory in my head. I grew up pre
flouridation and my mom has english roots. I got her teeth.

Don't think there's any bone loss but it still sounds like bridge might be
the best option (certainly less expensive based on insurance coverage).

Thanks for the input.

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"jps" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...

Stupid.

You call me stupid? Read your statement and then go look in the mirror.
We
seem to have non labor ready carpenters that require 80k a year,
longshoreman that require 100k+ and you think a college educated, labor
ready person will want to work for 40-60K?

I was calling us Americans stupid. How the **** could you even possibly
interpret that statement as calling you stupid. My entire post was
additive
and sympathetic to your own.

The only reason those folks are earning that labor rate is that it's
prenegotiated. I'm certain there's plenty of kids coming out of school
and
be pleased to make $40K to start and $60 in high tech within the first
three
to five years. I'm in the business and have direct experience.

Take a little chill and pay attention please.


Man, sorry about the above grammar. Dashed it off and was paying about 1/2
attention.

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Many times, the teeth on either side of the space (aka--abutments) could
benefit from crowns anyhow. Choosing the bridge in that case is a smart
decision...unless you're willing to shell out the money to put individual
crowns on each tooth *plus* the $3000+ for the implant. Just remember,
however, that the bridge is only as strong as the weakest tooth. If the
abutments have root canals, posts, or periodontal bone loss, they may not
make the strongest abutments...and if they're lost, the bridge is lost. Of
course, you could always do the implants if and when that happens.





"jps" wrote in message
...
"NOYB" wrote in message
...

If I had a space with a "virgin" tooth (no decay, crowns, or fillings)
on
either side, I would absolutely get an implant...rather than cut down
two
healthy teeth.

I don't think there's an untouched ivory in my head. I grew up pre
flouridation and my mom has english roots. I got her teeth.

Don't think there's any bone loss but it still sounds like bridge might be
the best option (certainly less expensive based on insurance coverage).

Thanks for the input.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:


Explain to us why a man's dress shirt, which used to cost $20 when
produced in this country by a unionized workforce making $7.00 a hour
now costs $60 when produced by an exploited workforce in China making
10
cents an hour.

Maybe you should be making dress shirts. Get your union members to
start up
a co-op and sell the shirt for $50. And most of those dress shirts are
coming from xmarts and cost $12.

I forgot. You're retired. You don't need dress shirts.

--
__________________________________________________ __________
Email sent to will never reach me.


I am an engineer. We don't need no stink'n ties and dress shirts.
I actually own a tuxedo.
Bill

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

When an H-1 visa engineer that is just as capable as a USA born
engineer will work for $60k, you think we can compete in the
world market?

If we had our **** together and did a decent job of educating our kids,
we
could be pumping out labor ready technical folks who'd be damned
pleased
to
make $40 to $60K a year. We haven't made the investment in our own
educational infrastructure, India obviously has.

It's just another example of how we've ceded our competitive edge to
others -- in an industry we invented.

Stupid.

You call me stupid? Read your statement and then go look in the mirror.
We
seem to have non labor ready carpenters that require 80k a year,
longshoreman that require 100k+ and you think a college educated, labor
ready person will want to work for 40-60K?



It's your own fault you made the wrong career choices.



Your reply shows how much out of touch with reality you are. Explain how we
are to compete in the world market, given our labor costs.