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*Wal-Mart's September Sales Top Forecasts (Washington Post) *Jobless Claims Lowest in Eight Months (Washington Post) *Dow Jumps Triple-Digits To New Yearly High (CBS Marke****ch) *Good News on Jobs Front (USA Today) *Ole! Market Surge Strong As Ever (USA Today) |
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Did you watch Frontline tonight?
While your financial news is good, the Bush administration has little to do with it. However, they do have a lot to do with calling the shots in our war with Iraq. It's not going so well. "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... *Wal-Mart's September Sales Top Forecasts (Washington Post) *Jobless Claims Lowest in Eight Months (Washington Post) *Dow Jumps Triple-Digits To New Yearly High (CBS Marke****ch) *Good News on Jobs Front (USA Today) *Ole! Market Surge Strong As Ever (USA Today) |
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Not exactly a headline:
10/08/2003 $6,815,762,633,308.91 Current Month 10/07/2003 $6,817,256,800,753.20 10/06/2003 $6,814,440,215,107.91 10/03/2003 $6,812,573,929,325.08 10/02/2003 $6,805,599,570,918.78 10/01/2003 $6,804,504,127,055.70 That's the national debt. Going up a helluva lot faster than the stock market or WalMart earnings. In fact, it's up 11 billion dollars in the last week. Bush wants 87 billion to play "army" in Iraq. Congress is appalled. But at this rate, if they debate the issue for a couple of months we will have pee'd away another 87 billion in just general horsehockey. Iraq or no. We're going deeper into debt by the proposed cost of (continuing) the war in Iraq every two months. Anybody care? NOYB's headlines remind me of the guy who borrowed 110% of his home equity and went on a consumer spending spree. Cars, trips, clothes, toys, and other total wastes. All the while he was acting like he had a bottomless checkbook, he felt "rich". Remember how the Soviet Union fell? We forced the Soviets to spend so much money for defense their economy could no longer support the cost of government. "Couldn't happen here! We're a democratic republic! Those Soviets were godless socialists!" All I can say is that we are certainly lucky the "conservatives" are in the White House and have the Congressional majority. Just think of the fix we'd be in if the moderates or liberals were holding the reins! Last time that happened, we were paying down this debt by running a surplus! What could those commie pinko leftist *******s have been thinking? The right don't like big gummit? It ain't never, ever, been anywhere nearly so big as it is now. The cost of gummit grew 11 billion dollars in the last week. For a family of five, the combined per capita increase was close to $200. (*not* the toal cost of federal government, just this week's increase!) Did your family make $200 more this week than it did last? If not, you're behind by the difference. If so, you can be pleased with the knowledge that your gummit spent it for you. |
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Gene, here is a story of someone that you remind me of:
http://www.geocities.com/mjloundy/ "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 16:50:20 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: *Wal-Mart's September Sales Top Forecasts (Washington Post) Good for Wal-Mart. Unclear how this is good for anybody else.... other than Asian sweat shops..... Meanwhile, Retail Forward Inc. vice president Frank Badillo said one-time factors such as cooler weather and tax rebate checks led to upbeat chain-store sales, and questioned whether the sales momentum can be carried through the holiday shopping season.... *Jobless Claims Lowest in Eight Months (Washington Post) Perhaps you missed that part of the report that said, and I quote, "We're still not at a level where people are thinking that the labor situation has improved, but we're getting close," said Gary Thayer, chief economist at A.G. Edwards & Sons in St. Louis. *Dow Jumps Triple-Digits To New Yearly High (CBS Marke****ch) From CBS Marke****ch: U.S. stocks close up, but well off highs ($INDU, $COMPQ) By Greg Morcroft Blah...blah...blah..... From your expertise at locating "facts, " I'm doubly sure that "The National Enquirer" could use you as an editor...... -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage http://www.southharbourvillage.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC is located. http://www.southharbourvillage.com/autoupdater.htm Real Time Pictures at My Marina http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide |
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Here. I'll help. Excerpts from a longer article. This is YOUR chimp at work:
"The White House has promised its full cooperation, but Mr. Bush said this week that he had doubts about whether investigators would catch the leaker. "I don't know," Mr. Bush said, "if we're going to find out the senior administration official" who told Robert Novak, as Mr. Novak wrote in his syndicated column in July, that Valerie Plame, the wife of former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, was a C.I.A. employee. Mr. Wilson was a critic of the administration's Iraq policies. "Senator Frank R. Lautenberg, Democrat of New Jersey, said in an interview that the comments threatened to undermine the inquiry by lowering expectations. "If the president says, `I don't know if we're going to find this person,' what kind of a statement is that for the president of the United States to make?" Mr. Lautenberg asked. "Would he say that about a bank-robbery investigation? He should be as indignant as everybody else is over this breach." Mr. Wilson said Mr. Bush "certainly seems far less certain about finding the leaker than he is about finding Osama bin Laden or Saddam Hussein." |
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Yeah, things are going so well these days I just can't wait to get the
newspaper to see what Bush and his loyal team have screwed up today. It appears we will be spending the $87,000,000,000 (that's $300 for every man. woman and child in this country, by the way) and we all know where that money will go. I'm disgusted with the lot of them, and wish Colin Powell would resign and send them a message they need to hear. |
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Messing In Boats wrote:
Yeah, things are going so well these days I just can't wait to get the newspaper to see what Bush and his loyal team have screwed up today. It appears we will be spending the $87,000,000,000 (that's $300 for every man. woman and child in this country, by the way) and we all know where that money will go. I'm disgusted with the lot of them, and wish Colin Powell would resign and send them a message they need to hear. Indeed, of all the b.s'ers in the Bush Administration, I thought for the longest time that at least Powell had some integrity on the matters that really counted. What a disappointment he's turned out to be. Anyone remember John Dunlop, who was secretary of labor under Gerry Ford? Dunlop died last week at the age of 89. He resigned from the Ford Administration on a matter of integrity. Ford had promised to support a particular bill that further codified collective bargaining but at the last minute, backed off. Dunlop had worked long and hard on that bill to bring together all involved sides in agreement. -- ---------------------------------------------------------- Email sent to will never reach me. |
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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... Tell you what. I'll tell *you* when the economy gets better. WTF do you think *you* are? I thought any fool could see the economy is improving...but obviously I found one fool (you) that can't. I don't have to read or cite statistics that some bureaucratic conehead in Washington is hired to mung up. I'm sort of like the farmer that walks out in his field to see what the weather is like. I don't need the weatherman to tell me what I can see with my own eyes. Mr. Weatherman is rarely any more correct than the economists, anyway. You think you're the only farmer with eyes? I can see things too Gene...and they're quite the opposite of what you see. It is my job and the job of the company I work for to train and retrain the employed and unemployed alike. When we have *plenty* to do, the economy sucks. When we have to go looking for people to train, that means the economy is good. What, specifically, does your company do? Much of what's done in dentistry these days is elective...and, despite a sub-par year in 2002, my numbers (and many of my peers' numbers) are up about 20% from last year. Dentistry is a very good indicator of the economy. Trust me, all of the economic misinformation and interpretation and statistics aside.... the economy sucks. No, Gene, trust me. The economy has been turning upward for awhile now...and is poised to skyrocket. The NYSE is up 32% from a year ago...and the Nasdaq is up 70%. GDP is increasing each month. Unemployment is dropping. The statistics sure seem to substantiate my opinion...not yours. When it gets better.... *really* better..... I'll be one of the first to know. Actually, it seems you're the last to know. Oh, and while you are trying to improve your reading list beyond Mother Goose, how about looking into your email program's documentation and see why it always adds "RE" to everything AND copies *EVERYTHING* in a reply... even properly delineated signatures... Maybe you could cite some government statistics and take them to the bank for enough money to buy a real newsreader...... Slamming someone's newsreader is rather off the point, don't you think? |
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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
... Trust me, all of the economic misinformation and interpretation and statistics aside.... the economy sucks. When it gets better.... *really* better..... I'll be one of the first to know. Totally agree with you. End users of products in our industry are Fortune 1000 companies. Although we're holding our own and our revenues are growing (due to the evolutionary nature of our product), investment in corporate infrastructure is incredibly stagnant and there's little sign of change. Like you, we'll see the upturn when it happens and it ain't happenin' yet. |
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"NOYB" wrote in message
... You think you're the only farmer with eyes? I can see things too Gene...and they're quite the opposite of what you see. Selling more bridges doc? (please note the double entendre) |
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"jps" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ... You think you're the only farmer with eyes? I can see things too Gene...and they're quite the opposite of what you see. Selling more bridges doc? (please note the double entendre) Mostly veneers and implants. Bridges are so passe. |
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"NOYB" wrote in message
... Mostly veneers and implants. Bridges are so passe. I have to have one of my bottom molars pulled. It's a no hope situation. I was thinking a post in the jawbone would be far more preferable and permanent as compared to a bridge. Thoughts? |
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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 00:56:31 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "Gene Kearns" wrote in message .. . Tell you what. I'll tell *you* when the economy gets better. WTF do you think *you* are? I thought any fool could see the economy is improving...but obviously I found one fool (you) that can't. WTF am I ? Weeelllll please let me explain..... I'm the guy working with people THAT DON'T HAVE MEDICAL INSURANCE (or a job) to pay people like you so that you can live the good life.... with a big boat and "let them eat cake" attitude. These people, if able, are more intent on holding onto their houses, automobiles, and property. The fine things are gone... the boats, sports cars, and the wife's jewelry.... the goodies eventually ended up in China.... with the Chinese communist government, I guess... but that is the sign of a strong US economy, right? WTF am I? I'm the one with his head out of his rectum far enough to see that not everybody is living the good life in this wonderful economy.... nor has any reason to believe that things will improve in the foreseeable future... Just because you are doing well doesn't mean that the US or the economy is.... it just says a lot about your self-centered world. -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage http://www.southharbourvillage.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC is located. http://www.southharbourvillage.com/autoupdater.htm Real Time Pictures at My Marina http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide My mutual fund is up 18% in the last year. Nice for me. But to think we are going to go back to the really big times of the 90's is not ever going to happen. The manufacturing base has been leaving this country of 24 years. Nearly a quarter century. Service is now following. India graduates about 750,000 people a year from their universities. Companies such as MicroSoft can get a university educated, english speaking person to handle their help line for 50-80% less than a USA call center. Same for manufacturing. In about 1993, fully bundled labor cost in Penang, Malaysia was about $3.50 / hour. When a company can cut costs by 50-80% they go for it. Sure we are cutting our own throats in regards to the future, but most of us want it now. Unions are only getting jobs in deeply entrenched industries i.e. automotive or in the government financed or employment sector. The unions paid lots of money to the politicians of Calif, so instead of upgrading the San Francisco - Oakland Bay Bridge, they are constructing a new suspension section at the highest wages possible. The prevailing wage law in not prevailing in industry, but what ever the union has negotiated at the highest point. Good for Harry and some workers, but the rest of us paying the freight are getting screwed and the same concept is moving the jobs offshore. Our only hope is that the rest of the 3rd world moves up closer to our standard of living and costs. Regards cost. We have inflated our costs over the last 25 years at a huge rate. Much higher than the world as a whole. So you think we can still be top dog in manufacturing and service when the rest of the world inflated maybe 100% and we inflated 6-800%? And it is not a few Larry Ellison's that have sucked up all the money. It is $80k / year carpenter, and 100k engineers. When an H-1 visa engineer that is just as capable as a USA born engineer will work for $60k, you think we can compete in the world market? |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net... When an H-1 visa engineer that is just as capable as a USA born engineer will work for $60k, you think we can compete in the world market? If we had our **** together and did a decent job of educating our kids, we could be pumping out labor ready technical folks who'd be damned pleased to make $40 to $60K a year. We haven't made the investment in our own educational infrastructure, India obviously has. It's just another example of how we've ceded our competitive edge to others -- in an industry we invented. Stupid. |
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Calif Bill wrote:
My mutual fund is up 18% in the last year. Nice for me. So you've fully recovered from Bush's recession, eh? The unions paid lots of money to the politicians of Calif, so instead of upgrading the San Francisco - Oakland Bay Bridge, they are constructing a new suspension section at the highest wages possible. The hourly rates would have been the same for an "upgrade." The prevailing wage law in not prevailing in industry, but what ever the union has negotiated at the highest point. You need a better source of information than your weekly "Right to Work for Less" newsletter, Bill. And it is not a few Larry Ellison's that have sucked up all the money. It is $80k / year carpenter, and 100k engineers. When an H-1 visa engineer that is just as capable as a USA born engineer will work for $60k, you think we can compete in the world market? You be sure to let us know when housing, autos, durables and other needed goods have a 40% drop in price. Multi-national corporations are robbing us blind. Their costs are way down, their prices go up and their profits are astronomical; they simply play games with their accounting and conceal the profits. Explain to us why a man's dress shirt, which used to cost $20 when produced in this country by a unionized workforce making $7.00 a hour now costs $60 when produced by an exploited workforce in China making 10 cents an hour. __________________________________________________ __________ Email sent to will never reach me. |
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"jps" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message nk.net... When an H-1 visa engineer that is just as capable as a USA born engineer will work for $60k, you think we can compete in the world market? If we had our **** together and did a decent job of educating our kids, we could be pumping out labor ready technical folks who'd be damned pleased to make $40 to $60K a year. We haven't made the investment in our own educational infrastructure, India obviously has. It's just another example of how we've ceded our competitive edge to others -- in an industry we invented. Stupid. You call me stupid? Read your statement and then go look in the mirror. We seem to have non labor ready carpenters that require 80k a year, longshoreman that require 100k+ and you think a college educated, labor ready person will want to work for 40-60K? |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: My mutual fund is up 18% in the last year. Nice for me. So you've fully recovered from Bush's recession, eh? The unions paid lots of money to the politicians of Calif, so instead of upgrading the San Francisco - Oakland Bay Bridge, they are constructing a new suspension section at the highest wages possible. The hourly rates would have been the same for an "upgrade." But the total cost would have been about 70% less. The prevailing wage law in not prevailing in industry, but what ever the union has negotiated at the highest point. You need a better source of information than your weekly "Right to Work for Less" newsletter, Bill. And it is not a few Larry Ellison's that have sucked up all the money. It is $80k / year carpenter, and 100k engineers. When an H-1 visa engineer that is just as capable as a USA born engineer will work for $60k, you think we can compete in the world market? You be sure to let us know when housing, autos, durables and other needed goods have a 40% drop in price. When the companies and unions wake up to the fact people are buying a better product from overseas for the same money. Multi-national corporations are robbing us blind. Their costs are way down, their prices go up and their profits are astronomical; they simply play games with their accounting and conceal the profits. Explain to us why a man's dress shirt, which used to cost $20 when produced in this country by a unionized workforce making $7.00 a hour now costs $60 when produced by an exploited workforce in China making 10 cents an hour. Maybe you should be making dress shirts. Get your union members to start up a co-op and sell the shirt for $50. And most of those dress shirts are coming from xmarts and cost $12. |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net... Stupid. You call me stupid? Read your statement and then go look in the mirror. We seem to have non labor ready carpenters that require 80k a year, longshoreman that require 100k+ and you think a college educated, labor ready person will want to work for 40-60K? I was calling us Americans stupid. How the **** could you even possibly interpret that statement as calling you stupid. My entire post was additive and sympathetic to your own. The only reason those folks are earning that labor rate is that it's prenegotiated. I'm certain there's plenty of kids coming out of school and be pleased to make $40K to start and $60 in high tech within the first three to five years. I'm in the business and have direct experience. Take a little chill and pay attention please. |
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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 00:36:10 -0700, "jps" wrote: "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... When an H-1 visa engineer that is just as capable as a USA born engineer will work for $60k, you think we can compete in the world market? If we had our **** together and did a decent job of educating our kids, we could be pumping out labor ready technical folks who'd be damned pleased to make $40 to $60K a year. We haven't made the investment in our own educational infrastructure, India obviously has. Throwing money at education isn't the fix... education's problems in this country are societal in nature. There is no person in a school saddled with more superfluous work and less control over *making* education happen than a classroom teacher. Given the situation and marching orders endured by most teachers... it is surprising that students learn as much as they do. You want learning? Give the teacher the tools to get the job done.... That's true but there's other perspectives to consider. In Seattle we have severely run down buildings. Our kids are in portables that were installed anywhere between the mid-1940s to the mid-sixties. A few are more modern. White flight to the burbs made for a ****ed-on urban infrastructure. I'm sure it's common across the country. We may have made investments in education, I don't think we've made the right ones and enough of them. Teaching to tests is foolish. Shoving reading skills at kids before they're ready is stupid. This new accountability is right wing buffoonery. Let's find a way to make parents more responsible for their kids performance in schools. That'd make the biggest difference of all. |
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Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message nk.net... When an H-1 visa engineer that is just as capable as a USA born engineer will work for $60k, you think we can compete in the world market? If we had our **** together and did a decent job of educating our kids, we could be pumping out labor ready technical folks who'd be damned pleased to make $40 to $60K a year. We haven't made the investment in our own educational infrastructure, India obviously has. It's just another example of how we've ceded our competitive edge to others -- in an industry we invented. Stupid. You call me stupid? Read your statement and then go look in the mirror. We seem to have non labor ready carpenters that require 80k a year, longshoreman that require 100k+ and you think a college educated, labor ready person will want to work for 40-60K? It's your own fault you made the wrong career choices. -- __________________________________________________ __________ Email sent to will never reach me. |
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Calif Bill wrote:
Explain to us why a man's dress shirt, which used to cost $20 when produced in this country by a unionized workforce making $7.00 a hour now costs $60 when produced by an exploited workforce in China making 10 cents an hour. Maybe you should be making dress shirts. Get your union members to start up a co-op and sell the shirt for $50. And most of those dress shirts are coming from xmarts and cost $12. I forgot. You're retired. You don't need dress shirts. -- __________________________________________________ __________ Email sent to will never reach me. |
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"jps" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ... Mostly veneers and implants. Bridges are so passe. I have to have one of my bottom molars pulled. It's a no hope situation. I was thinking a post in the jawbone would be far more preferable and permanent as compared to a bridge. Lots of factors to consider: *What shape are the teeth in on either side of the space? If the teeth on either side (aka--abutments) have no fillings (or very small fillings) then I wouldn't shave them down for a bridge. *Why is the tooth that's about to be removed considered"hopeless"? If it's due to perio disease, and there's a significant amount of bone loss, then placing an implant may require a block bone grafting procedure first. Not a "huge" deal...but certainly complicates the treatment planning and time frame a little bit. *Are you counting on insurance for reimbursement? Most companies won't pay for implants...yet. Statistically, implants have a better 10+ year prognosis than bridges...but I've seen many bridges last 30 years or more. If I had a space with a "virgin" tooth (no decay, crowns, or fillings) on either side, I would absolutely get an implant...rather than cut down two healthy teeth. |
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Gene,
Let's just agree to disagree. You see one end of the spectrum...and I see the other. The economy isn't as bad as you portray it...and probably not as good as it appears to me. "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 00:56:31 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "Gene Kearns" wrote in message .. . Tell you what. I'll tell *you* when the economy gets better. WTF do you think *you* are? I thought any fool could see the economy is improving...but obviously I found one fool (you) that can't. WTF am I ? Weeelllll please let me explain..... I'm the guy working with people THAT DON'T HAVE MEDICAL INSURANCE (or a job) to pay people like you so that you can live the good life.... with a big boat and "let them eat cake" attitude. These people, if able, are more intent on holding onto their houses, automobiles, and property. The fine things are gone... the boats, sports cars, and the wife's jewelry.... the goodies eventually ended up in China.... with the Chinese communist government, I guess... but that is the sign of a strong US economy, right? WTF am I? I'm the one with his head out of his rectum far enough to see that not everybody is living the good life in this wonderful economy.... nor has any reason to believe that things will improve in the foreseeable future... Just because you are doing well doesn't mean that the US or the economy is.... it just says a lot about your self-centered world. -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage http://www.southharbourvillage.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC is located. http://www.southharbourvillage.com/autoupdater.htm Real Time Pictures at My Marina http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide |
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The reason I picked the "catchy by-lines", was not for so much as what they
said, as for which news organizations printed them. When two usually gloom-and-doom news outlets like the Washington Post and CBS are writing headlines that are as positive as those are, it's speaks volumes on the perceived condition of an improving economy. "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 00:15:35 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: Gene, Let's just agree to disagree. You see one end of the spectrum...and I see the other. The economy isn't as bad as you portray it...and probably not as good as it appears to me. Fair enough.....and probably an accurate assessment... if you'll post the WHOLE news story and not just a catchy by-line....... in other words..... quit pushing my buttons. "Gene Kearns" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 00:56:31 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "Gene Kearns" wrote in message .. . Tell you what. I'll tell *you* when the economy gets better. WTF do you think *you* are? I thought any fool could see the economy is improving...but obviously I found one fool (you) that can't. WTF am I ? Weeelllll please let me explain..... I'm the guy working with people THAT DON'T HAVE MEDICAL INSURANCE (or a job) to pay people like you so that you can live the good life.... with a big boat and "let them eat cake" attitude. These people, if able, are more intent on holding onto their houses, automobiles, and property. The fine things are gone... the boats, sports cars, and the wife's jewelry.... the goodies eventually ended up in China.... with the Chinese communist government, I guess... but that is the sign of a strong US economy, right? WTF am I? I'm the one with his head out of his rectum far enough to see that not everybody is living the good life in this wonderful economy.... nor has any reason to believe that things will improve in the foreseeable future... Just because you are doing well doesn't mean that the US or the economy is.... it just says a lot about your self-centered world. -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage http://www.southharbourvillage.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC is located. http://www.southharbourvillage.com/autoupdater.htm Real Time Pictures at My Marina http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage http://www.southharbourvillage.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC is located. http://www.southharbourvillage.com/autoupdater.htm Real Time Pictures at My Marina http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide |
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"NOYB" wrote in message
... If I had a space with a "virgin" tooth (no decay, crowns, or fillings) on either side, I would absolutely get an implant...rather than cut down two healthy teeth. I don't think there's an untouched ivory in my head. I grew up pre flouridation and my mom has english roots. I got her teeth. Don't think there's any bone loss but it still sounds like bridge might be the best option (certainly less expensive based on insurance coverage). Thanks for the input. |
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"jps" wrote in message
... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... Stupid. You call me stupid? Read your statement and then go look in the mirror. We seem to have non labor ready carpenters that require 80k a year, longshoreman that require 100k+ and you think a college educated, labor ready person will want to work for 40-60K? I was calling us Americans stupid. How the **** could you even possibly interpret that statement as calling you stupid. My entire post was additive and sympathetic to your own. The only reason those folks are earning that labor rate is that it's prenegotiated. I'm certain there's plenty of kids coming out of school and be pleased to make $40K to start and $60 in high tech within the first three to five years. I'm in the business and have direct experience. Take a little chill and pay attention please. Man, sorry about the above grammar. Dashed it off and was paying about 1/2 attention. |
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Many times, the teeth on either side of the space (aka--abutments) could
benefit from crowns anyhow. Choosing the bridge in that case is a smart decision...unless you're willing to shell out the money to put individual crowns on each tooth *plus* the $3000+ for the implant. Just remember, however, that the bridge is only as strong as the weakest tooth. If the abutments have root canals, posts, or periodontal bone loss, they may not make the strongest abutments...and if they're lost, the bridge is lost. Of course, you could always do the implants if and when that happens. "jps" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ... If I had a space with a "virgin" tooth (no decay, crowns, or fillings) on either side, I would absolutely get an implant...rather than cut down two healthy teeth. I don't think there's an untouched ivory in my head. I grew up pre flouridation and my mom has english roots. I got her teeth. Don't think there's any bone loss but it still sounds like bridge might be the best option (certainly less expensive based on insurance coverage). Thanks for the input. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: Explain to us why a man's dress shirt, which used to cost $20 when produced in this country by a unionized workforce making $7.00 a hour now costs $60 when produced by an exploited workforce in China making 10 cents an hour. Maybe you should be making dress shirts. Get your union members to start up a co-op and sell the shirt for $50. And most of those dress shirts are coming from xmarts and cost $12. I forgot. You're retired. You don't need dress shirts. -- __________________________________________________ __________ Email sent to will never reach me. I am an engineer. We don't need no stink'n ties and dress shirts. I actually own a tuxedo. Bill |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message nk.net... When an H-1 visa engineer that is just as capable as a USA born engineer will work for $60k, you think we can compete in the world market? If we had our **** together and did a decent job of educating our kids, we could be pumping out labor ready technical folks who'd be damned pleased to make $40 to $60K a year. We haven't made the investment in our own educational infrastructure, India obviously has. It's just another example of how we've ceded our competitive edge to others -- in an industry we invented. Stupid. You call me stupid? Read your statement and then go look in the mirror. We seem to have non labor ready carpenters that require 80k a year, longshoreman that require 100k+ and you think a college educated, labor ready person will want to work for 40-60K? It's your own fault you made the wrong career choices. Your reply shows how much out of touch with reality you are. Explain how we are to compete in the world market, given our labor costs. |
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message nk.net... When an H-1 visa engineer that is just as capable as a USA born engineer will work for $60k, you think we can compete in the world market? If we had our **** together and did a decent job of educating our kids, we could be pumping out labor ready technical folks who'd be damned pleased to make $40 to $60K a year. We haven't made the investment in our own educational infrastructure, India obviously has. It's just another example of how we've ceded our competitive edge to others -- in an industry we invented. Stupid. You call me stupid? Read your statement and then go look in the mirror. We seem to have non labor ready carpenters that require 80k a year, longshoreman that require 100k+ and you think a college educated, labor ready person will want to work for 40-60K? It's your own fault you made the wrong career choices. Your reply shows how much out of touch with reality you are. Explain how we are to compete in the world market, given our labor costs. We can start by lowering "executive" salary to no more than several times what the average worker at a corporation makes. -- __________________________________________________ __________ Email sent to will never reach me. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message nk.net... When an H-1 visa engineer that is just as capable as a USA born engineer will work for $60k, you think we can compete in the world market? If we had our **** together and did a decent job of educating our kids, we could be pumping out labor ready technical folks who'd be damned pleased to make $40 to $60K a year. We haven't made the investment in our own educational infrastructure, India obviously has. It's just another example of how we've ceded our competitive edge to others -- in an industry we invented. Stupid. You call me stupid? Read your statement and then go look in the mirror. We seem to have non labor ready carpenters that require 80k a year, longshoreman that require 100k+ and you think a college educated, labor ready person will want to work for 40-60K? It's your own fault you made the wrong career choices. Your reply shows how much out of touch with reality you are. Explain how we are to compete in the world market, given our labor costs. We can start by lowering "executive" salary to no more than several times what the average worker at a corporation makes. I think that would be a terrific start. Would labor agree to proportional cuts, as well? In other words, would the following hypothetical scenario be agreeable? Management's total income costs a company $500 million dollars split among 500 of its top management. If you cut that by 60%, you've reduced management labor expense to $200 million split among the top management. If labor's total income expense is also $500 million, but it's split among 10000 employees, would they accept a 60% cut in pay? How about a 40% cut? Or even a 10% cut? Probably not...because labor is very short-sighted. |
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message nk.net... When an H-1 visa engineer that is just as capable as a USA born engineer will work for $60k, you think we can compete in the world market? If we had our **** together and did a decent job of educating our kids, we could be pumping out labor ready technical folks who'd be damned pleased to make $40 to $60K a year. We haven't made the investment in our own educational infrastructure, India obviously has. It's just another example of how we've ceded our competitive edge to others -- in an industry we invented. Stupid. You call me stupid? Read your statement and then go look in the mirror. We seem to have non labor ready carpenters that require 80k a year, longshoreman that require 100k+ and you think a college educated, labor ready person will want to work for 40-60K? It's your own fault you made the wrong career choices. Your reply shows how much out of touch with reality you are. Explain how we are to compete in the world market, given our labor costs. We can start by lowering "executive" salary to no more than several times what the average worker at a corporation makes. I think that would be a terrific start. Would labor agree to proportional cuts, as well? In other words, would the following hypothetical scenario be agreeable? Management's total income costs a company $500 million dollars split among 500 of its top management. If you cut that by 60%, you've reduced management labor expense to $200 million split among the top management. If labor's total income expense is also $500 million, but it's split among 10000 employees, would they accept a 60% cut in pay? How about a 40% cut? Or even a 10% cut? Probably not...because labor is very short-sighted. Most successful companies overseas allow their chief execs to make only several times the average pay of the people they employ. -- __________________________________________________ __________ Email sent to will never reach me. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message nk.net... When an H-1 visa engineer that is just as capable as a USA born engineer will work for $60k, you think we can compete in the world market? If we had our **** together and did a decent job of educating our kids, we could be pumping out labor ready technical folks who'd be damned pleased to make $40 to $60K a year. We haven't made the investment in our own educational infrastructure, India obviously has. It's just another example of how we've ceded our competitive edge to others -- in an industry we invented. Stupid. You call me stupid? Read your statement and then go look in the mirror. We seem to have non labor ready carpenters that require 80k a year, longshoreman that require 100k+ and you think a college educated, labor ready person will want to work for 40-60K? It's your own fault you made the wrong career choices. Your reply shows how much out of touch with reality you are. Explain how we are to compete in the world market, given our labor costs. We can start by lowering "executive" salary to no more than several times what the average worker at a corporation makes. I think that would be a terrific start. Would labor agree to proportional cuts, as well? In other words, would the following hypothetical scenario be agreeable? Management's total income costs a company $500 million dollars split among 500 of its top management. If you cut that by 60%, you've reduced management labor expense to $200 million split among the top management. If labor's total income expense is also $500 million, but it's split among 10000 employees, would they accept a 60% cut in pay? How about a 40% cut? Or even a 10% cut? Probably not...because labor is very short-sighted. Most successful companies overseas allow their chief execs to make only several times the average pay of the people they employ. Care to provide some proof to that claim? You are nothing but a left wing socialist Harry. In your world everyone should make the same and share equally in the wealth, regardless of whose money was originally at or remains at stake to create the wealth. I am glad I don't live in your world. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message nk.net... When an H-1 visa engineer that is just as capable as a USA born engineer will work for $60k, you think we can compete in the world market? If we had our **** together and did a decent job of educating our kids, we could be pumping out labor ready technical folks who'd be damned pleased to make $40 to $60K a year. We haven't made the investment in our own educational infrastructure, India obviously has. It's just another example of how we've ceded our competitive edge to others -- in an industry we invented. Stupid. You call me stupid? Read your statement and then go look in the mirror. We seem to have non labor ready carpenters that require 80k a year, longshoreman that require 100k+ and you think a college educated, labor ready person will want to work for 40-60K? It's your own fault you made the wrong career choices. Your reply shows how much out of touch with reality you are. Explain how we are to compete in the world market, given our labor costs. We can start by lowering "executive" salary to no more than several times what the average worker at a corporation makes. I think that would be a terrific start. Would labor agree to proportional cuts, as well? In other words, would the following hypothetical scenario be agreeable? Management's total income costs a company $500 million dollars split among 500 of its top management. If you cut that by 60%, you've reduced management labor expense to $200 million split among the top management. If labor's total income expense is also $500 million, but it's split among 10000 employees, would they accept a 60% cut in pay? How about a 40% cut? Or even a 10% cut? Probably not...because labor is very short-sighted. Most successful companies overseas allow their chief execs to make only several times the average pay of the people they employ. I've always believed that pay should be commensurate not with how hard one works, but with the level of responsibility one has, the number of people that are directly affected by the decisions made by that person, and how difficult it would be to replace that person if they were lost. CEO's have a very high level of responsibility, and their decisions affect tens of thousands of employees, hundreds of thousands of shareholders, and millions of consumers. It takes a special blend of smarts, experience, and charisma to successfully run a company, so it's usually very hard to replace a good CEO. Compare his/her salary to a line worker on an assembly line. They're usually responsible for just a few different tasks. Sure, other employees, shareholders and consumers may be affected by his/her actions. But, other people have designed and built the part he/she is assembling, and he/she is just reading instructions and following through on them. Most of the time he/she could be replaced in a matter of minutes...if it weren't for those pesky unions. ;-) Nevertheless, CEO's are grossly overpaid...but so are *some* union laborers. |
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Jim - wrote:
Most successful companies overseas allow their chief execs to make only several times the average pay of the people they employ. Care to provide some proof to that claim? Don't be so damned lazy, Dennis. It's out there. It's even been reported in the WSJ any number of times. You are nothing but a left wing socialist Harry. And you are what, Dennis? A right-wing national socialist? Actually, I am not a socialist, but I do believe some aspects of modern European socialism make their societies more advanced than ours. Norwegians, for example, made good livings, have good housing, have unlimited educational opportunities, have first-rate health care, better vacation benefits than we have and retirement income. In this country, we can't even assure our seniors health care and enough food. In your world everyone should make the same and share equally in the wealth, regardless of whose money was originally at or remains at stake to create the wealth. If you think that, you are a real pea brain. Nonetheless, I don't view money as any more valuable or "at stake" than labor. I am glad I don't live in your world. Oh you do, you just haven't figured it out. You are losing. __________________________________________________ __________ Email sent to will never reach me. |
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Agreed on all accounts.
"." .@. wrote in message ... On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 20:27:30 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message nk.net... When an H-1 visa engineer that is just as capable as a USA born engineer will work for $60k, you think we can compete in the world market? If we had our **** together and did a decent job of educating our kids, we could be pumping out labor ready technical folks who'd be damned pleased to make $40 to $60K a year. We haven't made the investment in our own educational infrastructure, India obviously has. It's just another example of how we've ceded our competitive edge to others -- in an industry we invented. Stupid. You call me stupid? Read your statement and then go look in the mirror. We seem to have non labor ready carpenters that require 80k a year, longshoreman that require 100k+ and you think a college educated, labor ready person will want to work for 40-60K? It's your own fault you made the wrong career choices. Your reply shows how much out of touch with reality you are. Explain how we are to compete in the world market, given our labor costs. We can start by lowering "executive" salary to no more than several times what the average worker at a corporation makes. I think that would be a terrific start. Would labor agree to proportional cuts, as well? In other words, would the following hypothetical scenario be agreeable? Management's total income costs a company $500 million dollars split among 500 of its top management. If you cut that by 60%, you've reduced management labor expense to $200 million split among the top management. If labor's total income expense is also $500 million, but it's split among 10000 employees, would they accept a 60% cut in pay? How about a 40% cut? Or even a 10% cut? Probably not...because labor is very short-sighted. Most successful companies overseas allow their chief execs to make only several times the average pay of the people they employ. I've always believed that pay should be commensurate not with how hard one works, but with the level of responsibility one has, the number of people that are directly affected by the decisions made by that person, and how difficult it would be to replace that person if they were lost. Concerning the CEOs, I'd pay based on the lawful, moral, and successful execution of one's job. Compensation, from the CEO down, ought to have something to do with the profitability of the company. The best CEO on the planet can't operate a company with crappy employees and the employees can't succeed without a successful leader.... this is a balance that shouldn't be ignored. Once you set the stage for adversarial relationship in this arena... you have asked for a loss of production and profitability. Considering some of the shenanigans of CEOs of late and coupled with the platinum parachutes that seem to imply that the bigger mess you leave behind, the greater rewards you are entitled to reap..... Harry might not be all that far off. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Jim - wrote: Most successful companies overseas allow their chief execs to make only several times the average pay of the people they employ. Care to provide some proof to that claim? Don't be so damned lazy, Dennis. It's out there. It's even been reported in the WSJ any number of times. That is your typical response when asked to provide proof. But that dog don't hunt anymore Harry. If you cannot provide the proof I guess I will once again assume you spouted nothing but a lie. |
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Jim - wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Jim - wrote: Most successful companies overseas allow their chief execs to make only several times the average pay of the people they employ. Care to provide some proof to that claim? Don't be so damned lazy, Dennis. It's out there. It's even been reported in the WSJ any number of times. That is your typical response when asked to provide proof. But that dog don't hunt anymore Harry. If you cannot provide the proof I guess I will once again assume you spouted nothing but a lie. It's not my fault you're an intellectual washout, Dennis. It is well-known that many American corporations grossly overpay their chief execs, and that among many successful European corporations, the multiple of the chief exec's income over that of the average worker doesn't begin to approach the multiple here. As an example, one of the highest paid European execs is Jorma Ollila, the chairman and CEO of Nokia, one of the most the most successful telco equipment manufacturers in the world. In 2002, Ollila earned about $3 million, half from salary, half from bonus. A lot of money, and much more than his average worker, but...the multiple isn't like it is in this country, where the typical corporate CEO at a large company is taking home about 600 times as much as the typical worker. Do something other than skim NewsMax, Dennis. Your ignorance of the real world has to embarrass your family. -- __________________________________________________ __________ Email sent to will never reach me. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message nk.net... When an H-1 visa engineer that is just as capable as a USA born engineer will work for $60k, you think we can compete in the world market? If we had our **** together and did a decent job of educating our kids, we could be pumping out labor ready technical folks who'd be damned pleased to make $40 to $60K a year. We haven't made the investment in our own educational infrastructure, India obviously has. It's just another example of how we've ceded our competitive edge to others -- in an industry we invented. Stupid. You call me stupid? Read your statement and then go look in the mirror. We seem to have non labor ready carpenters that require 80k a year, longshoreman that require 100k+ and you think a college educated, labor ready person will want to work for 40-60K? It's your own fault you made the wrong career choices. Your reply shows how much out of touch with reality you are. Explain how we are to compete in the world market, given our labor costs. We can start by lowering "executive" salary to no more than several times what the average worker at a corporation makes. -- __________________________________________________ __________ Email sent to will never reach me. More fluffery and jingoism from you. Lowering CEO salaries to this amount would barely touch cost of production. |
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