On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 13:26:02 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 11:52:32 -0500, Happy John
wrote:

On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 09:16:13 -0500, Oscar wrote:


On 1/1/12 11:41 PM, Tim wrote:

yup. Her Kindle has the wifi. Don't think this this is android
though.

Kindle fire is Android based. There is Amazon app store. I don't know if
the entire Google app store is available but it should be easy enough
for Tim to find out. One thing I've noticed is that the latest codecs
for the new hi def cameras weren't included with either my Archos or
Toshiba tablets. If Tim finds that true with the Fire, the easiest
solution is to install one of the many free players that work.
There are a lot of good free apps as well as terrible ones. Make sure
you install a good Antivirus before you start playing around,Tim.

We got our 8-year old granddaughter the Pandigital tablet for Christmas. It got sent back for the
Kindle Fire almost immediately. Don't know why, she just wanted it. I suppose there's something
about it that's better.

My father in law has a Nook and my wife bought a chip full of
software that you plug in that makes this pretty much a fully enabled
Android machine. It seems interesting but you still would not have GPS
and I don't think this thing is Gx, only WiFi.

I have no idea what 'Android' is all about. My cell phone works when I need it, and my Callaway GPS
tells me the distance to the next green. What more could I possibly want?

On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 09:16:13 -0500, Oscar wrote:


On 1/1/12 11:41 PM, Tim wrote:

yup. Her Kindle has the wifi. Don't think this this is android
though.

Kindle fire is Android based. There is Amazon app store. I don't know if
the entire Google app store is available but it should be easy enough
for Tim to find out. One thing I've noticed is that the latest codecs
for the new hi def cameras weren't included with either my Archos or
Toshiba tablets. If Tim finds that true with the Fire, the easiest
solution is to install one of the many free players that work.
There are a lot of good free apps as well as terrible ones. Make sure
you install a good Antivirus before you start playing around,Tim.

was looking for an android antivirus...google says that android OS
isn't susceptible to viruses. the mcaffee folks agreed but said
android was malware vulnerable

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 09:16:13 -0500, Oscar wrote:


On 1/1/12 11:41 PM, Tim wrote:

yup. Her Kindle has the wifi. Don't think this this is android
though.

Kindle fire is Android based. There is Amazon app store. I don't know if
the entire Google app store is available but it should be easy enough
for Tim to find out. One thing I've noticed is that the latest codecs
for the new hi def cameras weren't included with either my Archos or
Toshiba tablets. If Tim finds that true with the Fire, the easiest
solution is to install one of the many free players that work.
There are a lot of good free apps as well as terrible ones. Make sure
you install a good Antivirus before you start playing around,Tim.

was looking for an android antivirus...google says that android OS
isn't susceptible to viruses. the mcaffee folks agreed but said
android was malware vulnerable

Check out Lookout on the Android market. Good stuff, I wouldn't be
without it.

On Jan 1, 12:44*pm, North Star wrote:
On Jan 1, 10:30*am, Oscar wrote:





On 1/1/2012 9:25 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article0d345b13-1b0b-418d-b294-
,
says...

On Dec 31, 10:41 am, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com *wrote:
On 12/31/11 9:33 AM, wrote:

On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 08:09:36 -0500, X `
wrote:

On 12/30/11 9:09 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 15:26:25 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

I know nothing about them, but my wife want's one [and I get to pay
for it]. What are the advantages [or not] over a Xume, iPhone, and a
host of other lightning technology talkie gadgets out there?

First, let's look at what it IS. It is a marketing tool from Amazon to
hawk their digital wares. It has a decently large screen, though Ipad
is larger. It has about 15K apps to Ipads roughly 100K apps. It is
light in memory at 8GB. It does not have 3G, but does have b/g/n
Wi-Fi. It has no camera. She may not want some of this and may want
things not listed.

So if she is looking for a reader with some netbook/tablet capability,
it may be OK. Best feature is the price. I personally am passing on
one because I can pay a bit more for a really good netbook.

I think this is a LOT like buying a boat. Figure out what you are
going to use the reader/tablet/netbook/notebook for and then find the
features that meet your requirements.

If you like to read books and magazines on a small computer screen, the
Kindles and similar readers are ok. I still prefer reading books the
"traditional" way, although I did read an entire "beach" novel on my
laptop the last time I flew cross country. It was ok.

The lack of 3G/4G on a tablet may not be so serious an issue. Most
places you end up using a tablet will have free wifi available, which
means the need to pay for an additional 3G appliance (in addition to a
smart phone) is not overwhelming. Wifi is faster, anyway.

On my hardware, 4G kicks wi-fi's ass.

I don't have a 4G cell or tablet, so I can't compare its speeds to
Wi-Fi. When I'm away from Wi-Fi, 3G speed is more than adequate for my
needs. I don't "net surf" very much on my cell phone, and the other apps
- emails, messages, et cetera, seem fast enough on 3G when Wi-Fi is not
available.

--
Hate women? Hate the idea of women having sex?

Vote Republican, and join in the GOP's unhinged attacks
on Planned Parenthood, the HPV vaccine,
and insurance coverage of contraception.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

My #2 son gave us a Blackberry Playbook for Christmas. When I bundled
our phone/internet/cable tv services last summer, I lost my Wi-Fi
modem.
I had to call and schedule my service provider to come in on the 3rd
of January to swap out the basic modem for one capable of Wi-Fi.
It was no big deal up till now because the only one using that feature
ws my #1 son on his infrequent visits from Toronto.
I probably wouldn't have bought a playbook myself, but now that I have
one I'm anxious to see what it can do.
I'll tell you one thing...the 3 meg front camera and the 5 meg back
camera are limited for indoor use on a dark day. *It claims to have
1080i video.... whick is ok outside in the bright light.
Also got an iPod Nano for Christmas.. so I had to visit a nearby audio
store earlier this week to pick up a new pair of Grado headphones.
Good grief..they cost as much as the iPod but do have a nice sound.
(supplied 'bud style' headphones sounded crappy& *fit worse)

All you had to do is buy a $15 wireless router.

Why buy something when you can pay an installation fee and lease it forever?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Sorry...no installation fee and I get the 1st 12 months rental
'free'. *After that, it'll be $3.00 per month. *I'll decide what to do
them... maybe switch over to a competitor who now offers fibre
optics.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, the technician/installer shoued up at 0900 hrs and swapped the
modems.
I've been playing with the Playbook for a bit and the browsing
component seems to be working just fine.
Still feels a bit awkward having to 'swipe' all the time vs the full
sized keyboard of a desktop.
On the plus side... now I can monitor this newsgroup in stereo. .

On 1/3/12 9:53 AM, North Star wrote:
On Jan 1, 12:44 pm, North wrote:
On Jan 1, 10:30 am, wrote:





On 1/1/2012 9:25 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article0d345b13-1b0b-418d-b294-
,
says...

On Dec 31, 10:41 am, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 12/31/11 9:33 AM, wrote:

On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 08:09:36 -0500, X `
wrote:

On 12/30/11 9:09 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 15:26:25 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

I know nothing about them, but my wife want's one [and I get to pay
for it]. What are the advantages [or not] over a Xume, iPhone, and a
host of other lightning technology talkie gadgets out there?

First, let's look at what it IS. It is a marketing tool from Amazon to
hawk their digital wares. It has a decently large screen, though Ipad
is larger. It has about 15K apps to Ipads roughly 100K apps. It is
light in memory at 8GB. It does not have 3G, but does have b/g/n
Wi-Fi. It has no camera. She may not want some of this and may want
things not listed.

So if she is looking for a reader with some netbook/tablet capability,
it may be OK. Best feature is the price. I personally am passing on
one because I can pay a bit more for a really good netbook.

I think this is a LOT like buying a boat. Figure out what you are
going to use the reader/tablet/netbook/notebook for and then find the
features that meet your requirements.

If you like to read books and magazines on a small computer screen, the
Kindles and similar readers are ok. I still prefer reading books the
"traditional" way, although I did read an entire "beach" novel on my
laptop the last time I flew cross country. It was ok.

The lack of 3G/4G on a tablet may not be so serious an issue. Most
places you end up using a tablet will have free wifi available, which
means the need to pay for an additional 3G appliance (in addition to a
smart phone) is not overwhelming. Wifi is faster, anyway.

On my hardware, 4G kicks wi-fi's ass.

I don't have a 4G cell or tablet, so I can't compare its speeds to
Wi-Fi. When I'm away from Wi-Fi, 3G speed is more than adequate for my
needs. I don't "net surf" very much on my cell phone, and the other apps
- emails, messages, et cetera, seem fast enough on 3G when Wi-Fi is not
available.

--
Hate women? Hate the idea of women having sex?

Vote Republican, and join in the GOP's unhinged attacks
on Planned Parenthood, the HPV vaccine,
and insurance coverage of contraception.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

My #2 son gave us a Blackberry Playbook for Christmas. When I bundled
our phone/internet/cable tv services last summer, I lost my Wi-Fi
modem.
I had to call and schedule my service provider to come in on the 3rd
of January to swap out the basic modem for one capable of Wi-Fi.
It was no big deal up till now because the only one using that feature
ws my #1 son on his infrequent visits from Toronto.
I probably wouldn't have bought a playbook myself, but now that I have
one I'm anxious to see what it can do.
I'll tell you one thing...the 3 meg front camera and the 5 meg back
camera are limited for indoor use on a dark day. It claims to have
1080i video.... whick is ok outside in the bright light.
Also got an iPod Nano for Christmas.. so I had to visit a nearby audio
store earlier this week to pick up a new pair of Grado headphones.
Good grief..they cost as much as the iPod but do have a nice sound.
(supplied 'bud style' headphones sounded crappy& fit worse)

All you had to do is buy a $15 wireless router.

Why buy something when you can pay an installation fee and lease it forever?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Sorry...no installation fee and I get the 1st 12 months rental
'free'. After that, it'll be $3.00 per month. I'll decide what to do
them... maybe switch over to a competitor who now offers fibre
optics.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, the technician/installer shoued up at 0900 hrs and swapped the
modems.
I've been playing with the Playbook for a bit and the browsing
component seems to be working just fine.
Still feels a bit awkward having to 'swipe' all the time vs the full
sized keyboard of a desktop.
On the plus side... now I can monitor this newsgroup in stereo. .


If you are typing on that device, you might be able to link it to a
bluetooth keyboard. Most of these "smart" devices can handle bluetooth.

On 1/3/2012 9:53 AM, North Star wrote:
On Jan 1, 12:44 pm, North wrote:
On Jan 1, 10:30 am, wrote:





On 1/1/2012 9:25 AM, iBoaterer wrote:

In article0d345b13-1b0b-418d-b294-
,
says...

On Dec 31, 10:41 am, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote:
On 12/31/11 9:33 AM, wrote:

On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 08:09:36 -0500, X `
wrote:

On 12/30/11 9:09 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 15:26:25 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

I know nothing about them, but my wife want's one [and I get to pay
for it]. What are the advantages [or not] over a Xume, iPhone, and a
host of other lightning technology talkie gadgets out there?

First, let's look at what it IS. It is a marketing tool from Amazon to
hawk their digital wares. It has a decently large screen, though Ipad
is larger. It has about 15K apps to Ipads roughly 100K apps. It is
light in memory at 8GB. It does not have 3G, but does have b/g/n
Wi-Fi. It has no camera. She may not want some of this and may want
things not listed.

So if she is looking for a reader with some netbook/tablet capability,
it may be OK. Best feature is the price. I personally am passing on
one because I can pay a bit more for a really good netbook.

I think this is a LOT like buying a boat. Figure out what you are
going to use the reader/tablet/netbook/notebook for and then find the
features that meet your requirements.

If you like to read books and magazines on a small computer screen, the
Kindles and similar readers are ok. I still prefer reading books the
"traditional" way, although I did read an entire "beach" novel on my
laptop the last time I flew cross country. It was ok.

The lack of 3G/4G on a tablet may not be so serious an issue. Most
places you end up using a tablet will have free wifi available, which
means the need to pay for an additional 3G appliance (in addition to a
smart phone) is not overwhelming. Wifi is faster, anyway.

On my hardware, 4G kicks wi-fi's ass.

I don't have a 4G cell or tablet, so I can't compare its speeds to
Wi-Fi. When I'm away from Wi-Fi, 3G speed is more than adequate for my
needs. I don't "net surf" very much on my cell phone, and the other apps
- emails, messages, et cetera, seem fast enough on 3G when Wi-Fi is not
available.

--
Hate women? Hate the idea of women having sex?

Vote Republican, and join in the GOP's unhinged attacks
on Planned Parenthood, the HPV vaccine,
and insurance coverage of contraception.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

My #2 son gave us a Blackberry Playbook for Christmas. When I bundled
our phone/internet/cable tv services last summer, I lost my Wi-Fi
modem.
I had to call and schedule my service provider to come in on the 3rd
of January to swap out the basic modem for one capable of Wi-Fi.
It was no big deal up till now because the only one using that feature
ws my #1 son on his infrequent visits from Toronto.
I probably wouldn't have bought a playbook myself, but now that I have
one I'm anxious to see what it can do.
I'll tell you one thing...the 3 meg front camera and the 5 meg back
camera are limited for indoor use on a dark day. It claims to have
1080i video.... whick is ok outside in the bright light.
Also got an iPod Nano for Christmas.. so I had to visit a nearby audio
store earlier this week to pick up a new pair of Grado headphones.
Good grief..they cost as much as the iPod but do have a nice sound.
(supplied 'bud style' headphones sounded crappy& fit worse)

All you had to do is buy a $15 wireless router.

Why buy something when you can pay an installation fee and lease it forever?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Sorry...no installation fee and I get the 1st 12 months rental
'free'. After that, it'll be $3.00 per month. I'll decide what to do
them... maybe switch over to a competitor who now offers fibre
optics.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well, the technician/installer shoued up at 0900 hrs and swapped the
modems.
I've been playing with the Playbook for a bit and the browsing
component seems to be working just fine.
Still feels a bit awkward having to 'swipe' all the time vs the full
sized keyboard of a desktop.
On the plus side... now I can monitor this newsgroup in stereo. .

Try the groundhog newsgroup reader. It is a bit cumbersome but you might
like it better than google groups.

On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 08:40:24 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 09:16:13 -0500, Oscar wrote:


On 1/1/12 11:41 PM, Tim wrote:

yup. Her Kindle has the wifi. Don't think this this is android
though.

Kindle fire is Android based. There is Amazon app store. I don't know if
the entire Google app store is available but it should be easy enough
for Tim to find out. One thing I've noticed is that the latest codecs
for the new hi def cameras weren't included with either my Archos or
Toshiba tablets. If Tim finds that true with the Fire, the easiest
solution is to install one of the many free players that work.
There are a lot of good free apps as well as terrible ones. Make sure
you install a good Antivirus before you start playing around,Tim.

was looking for an android antivirus...google says that android OS
isn't susceptible to viruses. the mcaffee folks agreed but said
android was malware vulnerable

Check out Lookout on the Android market. Good stuff, I wouldn't be
without it.

thanks much! will do

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article 2416497b-bbdc-4f17-86a6-
, says...

I know nothing about them, but my wife want's one [and I get to pay
for it]. What are the advantages [or not] over a Xume, iPhone, and a
host of other lightning technology talkie gadgets out there?

The fire can be used like a tablet, but they're having a lot of trouble
with them crashing, etc. Amazon is already sending out firmware and
software updates for them.


---------------------------------------------
I understand that some book files downloaded to the Fire are unreadable but
are able to be read on the earlier Kindles. Sounds like a few bugs needed
to be fixed before being released.

In article ,
says...

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article 2416497b-bbdc-4f17-86a6-
, says...

I know nothing about them, but my wife want's one [and I get to pay
for it]. What are the advantages [or not] over a Xume, iPhone, and a
host of other lightning technology talkie gadgets out there?

The fire can be used like a tablet, but they're having a lot of trouble
with them crashing, etc. Amazon is already sending out firmware and
software updates for them.


---------------------------------------------
I understand that some book files downloaded to the Fire are unreadable but
are able to be read on the earlier Kindles. Sounds like a few bugs needed
to be fixed before being released.

Kindle Fire Mod 1

On 1/4/12 7:31 AM, BAR wrote:
In articlen4qdnWVayYC6LJ7SnZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@earthlink .com,
says...

"iBoaterer" wrote in message
...

In article2416497b-bbdc-4f17-86a6-
, says...

I know nothing about them, but my wife want's one [and I get to pay
for it]. What are the advantages [or not] over a Xume, iPhone, and a
host of other lightning technology talkie gadgets out there?

The fire can be used like a tablet, but they're having a lot of trouble
with them crashing, etc. Amazon is already sending out firmware and
software updates for them.


---------------------------------------------
I understand that some book files downloaded to the Fire are unreadable but
are able to be read on the earlier Kindles. Sounds like a few bugs needed
to be fixed before being released.

Kindle Fire Mod 1


In the end, we're all beta testers. I still like "book" books. Maybe it
is generational. Years and years ago, I sent a girl buddy the one volume
set of the complete novels of Jane Austen. She passed that book down to
her daughter, and she recently emailed me that her granddaughter was now
working her way through the book. It's hard to imagine that being done
with an "electronic" book. There's something about turning pages,
turning down corners of pages, writing notes in the margins, the leather
binding on a good volume...that I still find appealing.