I did not support the guy just because his political affiliation began with
"R".

Nor did many others. McClintock was the best Republican candidate.

I would like to see how many Dems voted for the guy.

A bunch. They all think Californina politics will become exciting as a
Terminator movie. :-(

Too bad you had to try to spin the win with your political bias. It is
unbecoming of
you Chuck.

That is my honest opinion. They have elected a celebrity, not a proven
administrator, into a situation where a proven administrator is required. Good
luck, CA. Hopefully, the interests that bankrolled the $1mm required to unseat
Davis know something about governing and they can instruct Arnold effectively.

California spoke. Live with it.

They did. Makes no diffy woo to me, except as further proof that California
continues to be the Enchanted Land of Fruits and Nuts.




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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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I did not support the guy just because his political affiliation began with
"R".

Nor did many others. McClintock was the best Republican candidate.

I agree. Too bad the voters did not see that. Hollywood blinded them.

But let us not forget the fact that they wanted a change and were desperate considering
the cast of players they were able to choose from.



I would like to see how many Dems voted for the guy.

A bunch. They all think Californina politics will become exciting as a
Terminator movie. :-(


Truly sad indeed. Arnold has a tough job ahead of him. He wants to cut $8 billion
from the budget and reduce property taxes at the same time. Good luck in that
endeavor.


Too bad you had to try to spin the win with your political bias. It is
unbecoming of
you Chuck.

That is my honest opinion. They have elected a celebrity, not a proven
administrator, into a situation where a proven administrator is required. Good
luck, CA. Hopefully, the interests that bankrolled the $1mm required to unseat
Davis know something about governing and they can instruct Arnold effectively.

Since he has been elected, I think everyone needs to give him a chance. He will likely
fail, but who knows.

I just hate to see the partisanship coming into play now, with the dems promising
another recall election in 100 days.



California spoke. Live with it.

They did. Makes no diffy woo to me, except as further proof that California
continues to be the Enchanted Land of Fruits and Nuts.



Again we agree. The state is totally screwed up both fiscally and politically. They
made their bed. Let them sleep in it.

On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:00:15 GMT, "Jim -" wrote:

[snip]

I just hate to see the partisanship coming into play now, with the dems promising
another recall election in 100 days.

"Coming into play NOW?"

Jeez--the whole THING was a display of partisanship--period.

Joe Parsons

"Joe Parsons" wrote in message
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On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:00:15 GMT, "Jim -" wrote:

[snip]

I just hate to see the partisanship coming into play now, with the dems promising
another recall election in 100 days.

"Coming into play NOW?"

Jeez--the whole THING was a display of partisanship--period.

Joe Parsons


Exactly how Joe?

On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:28:55 GMT, "Jim -" wrote:

"Joe Parsons" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:00:15 GMT, "Jim -" wrote:

[snip]

I just hate to see the partisanship coming into play now, with the dems promising
another recall election in 100 days.

"Coming into play NOW?"

Jeez--the whole THING was a display of partisanship--period.

Joe Parsons


Exactly how Joe?

Well, let's see...where to start?

How about the fact that Rep. Darrell Issa (R Vista) was writing checks and
gathering signatures for a recall even as Gray Davis was being sworn in for his
second term as Governor. And (imagine everyone's surprise) Rep. Issa intended
to run as a replacement candidate himself.

Now, there's no argument that Davis was an unpopular governor--when the SF
Chronicle endorsed him over his Republican Rival, Bill Simon, they said, "Hold
your nose and vote for Davis." But I don't think it takes any exceptional
discernment to see that the recall, initiated and funded by one politician who
did not like the outcome of the just-completed, lawful election, was a back-door
way to capture an office he would have no chance to win in a normal, 10 month
long campaign.

As it was, toward the end of this six-week campaign, Schwarzenegger's support
was waning from its peak, and I don't think it takes too much of an imagination
to guess that, given time and a "normal" campaign, his undeniable star power
would not be sufficient to carry him into the Governor's office.

I hope he does manage to keep his considerable energies to the daunting task
ahead of him. I suspect he's in for some eye-openers when he has to lock horns
with some of the farther right members of his party in the State Legislature.

I wish him all the best.

Joe Parsons

"Joe Parsons" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:28:55 GMT, "Jim -"
wrote:

"Joe Parsons" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:00:15 GMT, "Jim -"
wrote:

[snip]

I just hate to see the partisanship coming into play now, with the
dems promising
another recall election in 100 days.

"Coming into play NOW?"

Jeez--the whole THING was a display of partisanship--period.

Joe Parsons


Exactly how Joe?

Well, let's see...where to start?

How about the fact that Rep. Darrell Issa (R Vista) was writing checks and
gathering signatures for a recall even as Gray Davis was being sworn in
for his
second term as Governor. And (imagine everyone's surprise) Rep. Issa
intended
to run as a replacement candidate himself.

Now, there's no argument that Davis was an unpopular governor--when the SF
Chronicle endorsed him over his Republican Rival, Bill Simon, they said,
"Hold
your nose and vote for Davis." But I don't think it takes any exceptional
discernment to see that the recall, initiated and funded by one politician
who
did not like the outcome of the just-completed, lawful election, was a
back-door
way to capture an office he would have no chance to win in a normal, 10
month
long campaign.

As it was, toward the end of this six-week campaign, Schwarzenegger's
support
was waning from its peak, and I don't think it takes too much of an
imagination
to guess that, given time and a "normal" campaign, his undeniable star
power
would not be sufficient to carry him into the Governor's office.

I hope he does manage to keep his considerable energies to the daunting
task
ahead of him. I suspect he's in for some eye-openers when he has to lock
horns
with some of the farther right members of his party in the State
Legislature.

I wish him all the best.

Joe Parsons

It's been said that California gets a lot more liberal legislature than they
vote for. As to a recall, I do not think the Democrat party is stupid
enough to try it, but sometimes they surprise me. 43% of the people voted
for Arnold. More votes than Grey got in the last election. People in this
state are really ****ed at the legislators at this time. Spend way more
than is coming in at the same time that revenues increased 24% and passing
bills to allow illegal's to get driver's licenses, etc. In the first 4
years of Davis's leadership, he grew state government employment 44,000.
Accepted donations from special interests and then did what they paid for.
Both corporations and unions. Prison guards donate a mill and half and get
a 30% raise on top of earlier raises while the state is laying off people
and cutting child and health services. The Dem leadership of the state
legislature has already stated that Arnold can suck eggs. May backfire
bigtime when it is time to have the next election.

On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 04:42:35 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

43% of the people voted
for Arnold.

Didn't a higher percentage vote not to remove Davis?

In the first 4
years of Davis's leadership, he grew state government employment 44,000.

while the state is laying off people
and cutting child and health services.

Somehow, the above two statement appear to contradict each other.

bb

"Calif Bill" wrote in message news:%G5hb.3827
It's been said that California gets a lot more liberal legislature than they
vote for. As to a recall, I do not think the Democrat party is stupid
enough to try it, but sometimes they surprise me.

Yes, they COULD possibly be as stupid as the republicans, who did it.
Why would the Dems be "stupid" for rallying for a recall? Was the
Repubs equally stupid for rallying for one?

As for the choices the people made, I'd really rather have somebody
leading my state that knows something about the subject, rather than
hire some actor just because he's affiliated with the party of my
choice.

On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:00:15 GMT, "Jim -"
wrote:

I just hate to see the partisanship coming into play now, with the dems promising
another recall election in 100 days.

Well at least the Democrat Feinstein has the nads to attempt to do
what right for the public, rather than what's best for party politics:


Feinstein, who waged a strong campaign to help her one-time foe Davis
remain in office, said she was ready to help Republican governor-elect
Schwarzenegger and called a rumored Democratic effort to subject him
to a recall drive a "mistake."

"One of the problems is hyper-partisanship," said Feinstein. "You need
to break that cycle."


bb

On 08 Oct 2003 23:31:56 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

I did not support the guy just because his political affiliation began with
"R".

Nor did many others. McClintock was the best Republican candidate.

I would like to see how many Dems voted for the guy.

A bunch. They all think Californina politics will become exciting as a
Terminator movie. :-(

Too bad you had to try to spin the win with your political bias. It is
unbecoming of
you Chuck.

That is my honest opinion. They have elected a celebrity, not a proven
administrator, into a situation where a proven administrator is required. Good
luck, CA. Hopefully, the interests that bankrolled the $1mm required to unseat
Davis

Actually, Darrell Issa put up $1.6 million of his own money to gather the
signatures necessary to initiate the recall. He subsequently paid an additional
$845,000 to help promote it. IIANM, this occurred at a time that he expected to
be a viable candidate. His hopes of seizing the Governor's Mansion came to an
end when his two arrests in the 1970s on felony charges came to light. His
dropping out of the race coincided interestingly with Schwarzenegger's
announcement on the Jay Leno Show that he, himself, would run.

The last numbers I saw pegged the cost of the recall at around $70 million--up a
tad from the $35 million originally estimated.

know something about governing and they can instruct Arnold effectively.

California spoke. Live with it.

They did. Makes no diffy woo to me, except as further proof that California
continues to be the Enchanted Land of Fruits and Nuts.

Hey. Watch it.

Joe Parsons
San Francisco Bay




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