On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:00:15 GMT, "Jim -" wrote:

[snip]

I just hate to see the partisanship coming into play now, with the dems promising
another recall election in 100 days.

"Coming into play NOW?"

Jeez--the whole THING was a display of partisanship--period.

Joe Parsons

On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:00:15 GMT, "Jim -"
wrote:

I just hate to see the partisanship coming into play now, with the dems promising
another recall election in 100 days.

Well at least the Democrat Feinstein has the nads to attempt to do
what right for the public, rather than what's best for party politics:


Feinstein, who waged a strong campaign to help her one-time foe Davis
remain in office, said she was ready to help Republican governor-elect
Schwarzenegger and called a rumored Democratic effort to subject him
to a recall drive a "mistake."

"One of the problems is hyper-partisanship," said Feinstein. "You need
to break that cycle."


bb

On 08 Oct 2003 23:31:56 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

I did not support the guy just because his political affiliation began with
"R".

Nor did many others. McClintock was the best Republican candidate.

I would like to see how many Dems voted for the guy.

A bunch. They all think Californina politics will become exciting as a
Terminator movie. :-(

Too bad you had to try to spin the win with your political bias. It is
unbecoming of
you Chuck.

That is my honest opinion. They have elected a celebrity, not a proven
administrator, into a situation where a proven administrator is required. Good
luck, CA. Hopefully, the interests that bankrolled the $1mm required to unseat
Davis

Actually, Darrell Issa put up $1.6 million of his own money to gather the
signatures necessary to initiate the recall. He subsequently paid an additional
$845,000 to help promote it. IIANM, this occurred at a time that he expected to
be a viable candidate. His hopes of seizing the Governor's Mansion came to an
end when his two arrests in the 1970s on felony charges came to light. His
dropping out of the race coincided interestingly with Schwarzenegger's
announcement on the Jay Leno Show that he, himself, would run.

The last numbers I saw pegged the cost of the recall at around $70 million--up a
tad from the $35 million originally estimated.

know something about governing and they can instruct Arnold effectively.

California spoke. Live with it.

They did. Makes no diffy woo to me, except as further proof that California
continues to be the Enchanted Land of Fruits and Nuts.

Hey. Watch it.

Joe Parsons
San Francisco Bay




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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
I did not support the guy just because his political affiliation began
with
"R".

Nor did many others. McClintock was the best Republican candidate.

I would like to see how many Dems voted for the guy.

A bunch. They all think Californina politics will become exciting as a
Terminator movie. :-(

Too bad you had to try to spin the win with your political bias. It is
unbecoming of
you Chuck.

That is my honest opinion. They have elected a celebrity, not a proven
administrator, into a situation where a proven administrator is required.
Good
luck, CA. Hopefully, the interests that bankrolled the $1mm required to
unseat
Davis know something about governing and they can instruct Arnold
effectively.

California spoke. Live with it.

They did. Makes no diffy woo to me, except as further proof that
California
continues to be the Enchanted Land of Fruits and Nuts.




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You disappoint me Chuck. Show the true Harry colors. Knock the person
because he is not your very Liberal type. He is a damn good administrator.
Look at his movie company. Look at his real estate empire. He stated at
one time that he would control all his films after he did his first 3 under
a contract with no say in the film. Why the toad "Commando" was filmed with
him. He says that movie was bad. Except for a couple of lines, he is
correct. He is the producer of the Terminator series. He has selected good
people to work for him. Runs a very successful real estate operation. I
understand he has more money from the real estate than the films. Santa
Monica has been mostly redeveloped by Arnold's company. He seems to be a
hell of a lot more successful in business than most of us on wreck.boats
Has more money than his in-laws and where is the administrative back ground
of Ted Kennedy. And you guys love him.
Bill

You disappoint me Chuck. Show the true Harry colors. Knock the person
because he is not your very Liberal type. He is a damn good administrator.
Look at his movie company.

How tough is it to run a successful movie company that makes films featuring
Arnold S.?

I submit that a "good administrator" wouldn't be caught flat footed outside the
filing office and have to admit to the press that he didn't even have a plan to
run the state at the time he filed for office. A good administrator doesn't buy
a business he has no idea how to run.


Look at his real estate empire.

So, suddenly every real estate investor is qualified to be a state governor?
Most real estate wealth is created from passive income and capital
appreciation. Buy right, get slightly lucky, and you make money inspite of
yourself.

Has more money than his in-laws and where is the administrative back ground
of Ted Kennedy. And you guys love him.
Bill

Who is "you guys"?
Doesn't include me. Ted K is a walking, talking, exhibit in favor of term
limits.
2-3 terms ought to be enough for a senator, especially when the terms are six
years apiece. These guys who serve decade, after decade, after decade become an
instution- rather than a representative of the people. Don't forget that I'm
well to the left of most Democrats. I want to see the people represented
effectively (to actualize the concept of self government) and the Constitution
upheld. To hell with political parties, any of them, that do not serve those
two primary objectives. The welfare of the parties is supposed to be
subordinate to the welfare of the people and the nation state. No particular
fan of Kennedy here.....and certainly not among any group that "loves" him. Ted
K is a mainstream, party Democrat- a status that means nothing to me, and maybe
a lot of other independent liberals.

snip
California spoke. Live with it.

I expect to see the same stoic attitude from you when the next Democrat wins
the Whitehouse.

Mark Browne

Well remember the reference in "Demolition Man" to the Schwarzenegger
Presidential Library? This is just the first step!

"basskisser" wrote in message
m...
You have a new governor. No matter that he has little education, knows
nothing about politics, has never studied political science, or law,
he's a Republican, and that's all that counts, right?!!

"basskisser" wrote in message
m...
You have a new governor. No matter that he has little education, knows
nothing about politics, has never studied political science, or law,
he's a Republican, and that's all that counts, right?!!


Arnold is NOT the kind of lockjawed Republican the neo-con-victs wanted.
Obviously, he's quite liberal socially, and his positions indicate he's a
fiscal moderate. In other words, he's a throwback to the moderate to liberal
Republicans of the 1960s and 1970s, before that party went nutso.

Remember, it was Richard Nixon who gave us wage-price controls and who
opened the door to the PRC. And while he was a "conservative" for those
days, by his party's standards today, he'd be considered a dirty commie
pinko.

I would have preferred that the Democrats kept the California statehouse,
but I don't have any serious issues with Arnold as a politician. Not yet. I
respect him as a self-made man of accomplishment and in his serious moments,
he seems bright enough. He's certainly more capable and smarter than, say,
George W. Bush.

The people of California made a choice, and now it is up to Arnold to work
with the Democrats and do what he can to help resolve that state's issues. I
hope he is successful.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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but I don't have any serious issues with Arnold as a politician. Not yet.
I
respect him as a self-made man of accomplishment and in his serious
moments,
he seems bright enough.

OK.......

So lets *say- Arnie don't slap any more asses, proves his business degree is
more than paper, and actually gets California turned around while forming a
bridge between the two parties.

IF (big if I grant) he does all that without digging any real holes.........
how do we elect him President? Ammendment? Or can congress pass a law to
"give him a pass" somehow?

-W

IF (big if I grant) he does all that without digging any real holes.........
how do we elect him President? Ammendment? Or can congress pass a law to
"give him a pass" somehow?

-W

Constitutional amendment. (Or you elect his wife, who defers to Arnold in all
matters.)

Bad idea. The Constitution shouldn't be tweaked around for the convenience of
the moment, regardless how popular a particular movie star might be.