About Us

In article ,
(Gould 0738) wrote:

No, this represents yet one more disaster concerning Bayliner. I have yet
to read any post extolling their virtues. Maybe that says something.

It says you don't know where to look.

Don't waste your breath, Gould. It's more likely that he doesn't want to
hear any positive Bayliner anectdotes. After all, doing so would be to
risk modifying his opinion which would indicate that he is not
infallible. Something that a few people in this group have a problem
accepting.

As I've stated Bayliner may not be the first choice for many boaters, and
I will conceed that it may not even be a viable choice for some
applications (I still don't know this as fact but, will at least consider
it a reasonable possibility), but I have yet to see any evidence to
support this viewpoints such as Bayliners are "a piece of crap - both the
boat and the company"

Besides the human nature attributes you cited, add "People tend to stick
to their initial biases, despite new information" to that list.

Bob Dimond

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:46:42 -0400, Bob D. wrote:

In article ,
(Gould 0738) wrote:

No, this represents yet one more disaster concerning Bayliner. I have yet
to read any post extolling their virtues. Maybe that says something.

It says you don't know where to look.

Don't waste your breath, Gould. It's more likely that he doesn't want to
hear any positive Bayliner anectdotes. After all, doing so would be to
risk modifying his opinion which would indicate that he is not
infallible. Something that a few people in this group have a problem
accepting.

Bob, I have no idea where you came up with that bull****. I have had NO
opinions on Bayliner pro or con. Nor do I care, frankly. All I've read has
been here.

As I've stated Bayliner may not be the first choice for many boaters, and
I will conceed that it may not even be a viable choice for some
applications (I still don't know this as fact but, will at least consider
it a reasonable possibility), but I have yet to see any evidence to
support this viewpoints such as Bayliners are "a piece of crap - both the
boat and the company"

Then apparently you haven't been reading the messages here, including the
one to which I responded.

Besides the human nature attributes you cited, add "People tend to stick
to their initial biases, despite new information" to that list.

You seem to be living proof. For me, if someone can show me otherwise, or,
for that matter, if someone expresses opinions to the contrary, I'll
listen, otherwise, it seems to me that you're the one with an axe to grind.
--

Larry

In article ,
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:46:42 -0400, Bob D. wrote:

In article ,
(Gould 0738) wrote:

No, this represents yet one more disaster concerning Bayliner. I have yet
to read any post extolling their virtues. Maybe that says something.

It says you don't know where to look.

Don't waste your breath, Gould. It's more likely that he doesn't want to
hear any positive Bayliner anectdotes. After all, doing so would be to
risk modifying his opinion which would indicate that he is not
infallible. Something that a few people in this group have a problem
accepting.

Bob, I have no idea where you came up with that bull****. I have had NO
opinions on Bayliner pro or con. Nor do I care, frankly. All I've read has
been here.

I said it was LIKELY (not absolutely) you don't want to hear anything
positive. But, more and more, I'll stand by my statement.

There have been both pros and cons posted to this group, yet you cite only
the negative. If Gould was right, and you don't know where to look to make
a more informed statement, instead relying on ONE piece of anectodotal
evidence, fine. Then do yourself a favor, take his advice, and look into
it objectively, instead of being one more blow hard who decided to rudely
shoot his mouth off, then whining something akin to "what did I do to
deserve this?"

As I've stated Bayliner may not be the first choice for many boaters, and
I will conceed that it may not even be a viable choice for some
applications (I still don't know this as fact but, will at least consider
it a reasonable possibility), but I have yet to see any evidence to
support this viewpoints such as Bayliners are "a piece of crap - both the
boat and the company"

Then apparently you haven't been reading the messages here, including the
one to which I responded.

No Larry, apprently YOU haven't been reading the messages in this group.
If you had, you would know there are people who don't blindly bash
Bayliners (or other brands) and even people who actually enjoy them, as
Gould pointed out. So when you whine that you're just echoing what
everyone else said on this group, you are only echoing what a few people
said, and NOT necessarily the concensus of the group. Furthermore, you
make such a bold statement with ABOLUTELY NO FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE as you
had just pointed out.

Besides the human nature attributes you cited, add "People tend to stick
to their initial biases, despite new information" to that list.

You seem to be living proof. For me, if someone can show me otherwise, or,
for that matter, if someone expresses opinions to the contrary, I'll
listen, otherwise, it seems to me that you're the one with an axe to grind.
--

Yes Larry, you pull a statement completely out of your ass like Bayliner's
are "a piece of crap - both the boat and the company", based without ANY
personal experience, while I, who have OWNED AND ENJOYED multiple Bayliner
boats have considered what INFORMED PEOPLE have cited, and have come to
understand that it MAY not be a boaters first choice, and it MAY not be
suitable for all boating applications. Yeah Larry, out of those two
contrasting viewpoints, yours is the reasonable one.

Since your so willing to adjust your point of view based solely on
opinions, how come you didn't take Gould advice and look into BOC web site
or search google for other threads? And while I'll admit there may be
alot of posts bashing Bayliners, there are posts of people who rely upon
and enjoy the boats, meaning they can't all be the piece of crap as you
insinuate.

Just to be fair Larry, you are right. I do have an axe to grind, with
people who rudely shoot off their mouths, without facts, without
provocation, just to be a smart ass. The choice is yours: To behave in a
sensible manner as if you were talking to someone face to face, or rudely
and irrespronsibly repeat sentiments you know nothing about, because no
one knows who you are.

In that vein, in an effort to behave in a sensible manner (not that I'm
always capable), if I misunderstood what you meant by "a piece of crap -
both the boat and the company", please do accept my apologies.

Bob

Thread Tools	Search this Thread
Show Printable Version	Search this Thread: Advanced Search
Display Modes
Switch to Linear Mode Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
Boat Buying Angst	Tony V	General	10	September 25th 03 04:03 PM
Need help buying first boat	John Bingham	General	1	September 19th 03 12:43 AM
Sailor's tattoo, must be married too long, Wooden Boat Festival	Gould 0738	General	2	September 10th 03 06:38 PM
Repost from Merc group	Clams Canino	General	0	August 29th 03 12:43 PM
Buying first boat w/ 3 partners ?	BooBoo12321	General	24	August 21st 03 05:59 PM

Menu

About Us