Bayliner Trophy. That one really added to "the legend"........... LOL

-W

"Wayne.B" wrote in message

That's a terrible story Chuck. What knid of boat was it?

Clams Canino wrote:
Bayliner Trophy. That one really added to "the legend"........... LOL

-W

"Wayne.B" wrote in message

That's a terrible story Chuck. What knid of boat was it?





Shhhhhh. Bob will burst a blood vessel...

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 01:58:34 GMT, "Clams Canino"
wrote:

Bayliner Trophy. That one really added to "the legend"........... LOL

-W

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Well, that's how reputations are made and lost.

http://tinyurl.com/pyt0

On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:14:41 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 01:58:34 GMT, "Clams Canino"
wrote:

Bayliner Trophy. That one really added to "the legend"........... LOL

-W

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Well, that's how reputations are made and lost.

http://tinyurl.com/pyt0

Wow, what a story! Now I know why Bayliner is so poorly regarded. What a
piece of crap - both the boat and the company. Thanks for sharing.
--

Larry
email is rapp at lmr dot com

Wow, what a story! Now I know why Bayliner is so poorly regarded. What a
piece of crap - both the boat and the company. Thanks for sharing.
--

And sadly enough, we can see why Bayliner *is* poorly regarded- by some.

Always so easily convinced after hearing just one side of a story?

The problem was a combination of 1) a misplumbed boat 2) operator error and
bad judgment 3) dealer error and bad judgment. All of those factors are
evident in the story as told by the consumer, yet people who feel the insecure
need to prove that their particular mass-pro little plastic runabout is vastly
superior to somebody else's little mass-pro runabout seem to concentrate only
on the product portion. Probably 100 major and minor systems on a boat like
that, one is screwed up, and every boat ever built by the same company is a
"piece of crap"?

Hold all products up to that same standard, and you will never be able to buy
anything.

Yep, it was the single "worst case scenario" of a "teething problem" I've
heard. Well, at least where everyone lived to talk about it. Stuff like that
happens with any new boat or product, only problem is, Bayliner has one of
those names that just keep "popping up". They sure didn't need the press
from this gaffe.

It doesn't change my opinion that they're just an entry level boat to get
your feet wet.
(yes I get the joke - I wrote it)

-W



"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...

The problem was a combination of 1) a misplumbed boat 2) operator error
and
bad judgment 3) dealer error and bad judgment.

As with most other posts by you, well said. Sadly whether it's a 50' Seay
Ray, or a 14' duck boat, we rarely if ever get the quality we see in other
products.

In article ,
(Gould 0738) wrote:

Wow, what a story! Now I know why Bayliner is so poorly regarded. What a
piece of crap - both the boat and the company. Thanks for sharing.
--

And sadly enough, we can see why Bayliner *is* poorly regarded- by some.

Always so easily convinced after hearing just one side of a story?

The problem was a combination of 1) a misplumbed boat 2) operator error and
bad judgment 3) dealer error and bad judgment. All of those factors are
evident in the story as told by the consumer, yet people who feel the insecure
need to prove that their particular mass-pro little plastic runabout is vastly
superior to somebody else's little mass-pro runabout seem to concentrate only
on the product portion. Probably 100 major and minor systems on a boat like
that, one is screwed up, and every boat ever built by the same company is a
"piece of crap"?

Hold all products up to that same standard, and you will never be able to buy
anything.

On 07 Oct 2003 14:51:29 GMT, Gould 0738 wrote:

Wow, what a story! Now I know why Bayliner is so poorly regarded. What a
piece of crap - both the boat and the company. Thanks for sharing.
--

And sadly enough, we can see why Bayliner *is* poorly regarded- by some.

Always so easily convinced after hearing just one side of a story?

No, this represents yet one more disaster concerning Bayliner. I have yet
to read any post extolling their virtues. Maybe that says something.

The problem was a combination of 1) a misplumbed boat 2) operator error and
bad judgment 3) dealer error and bad judgment. All of those factors are
evident in the story as told by the consumer, yet people who feel the insecure
need to prove that their particular mass-pro little plastic runabout is vastly
superior to somebody else's little mass-pro runabout seem to concentrate only
on the product portion. Probably 100 major and minor systems on a boat like
that, one is screwed up, and every boat ever built by the same company is a
"piece of crap"?

Hold all products up to that same standard, and you will never be able to buy
anything.

I think you're reading a lot more into my post than I put there.
--

Larry
email is rapp at lmr dot com

No, this represents yet one more disaster concerning Bayliner. I have yet
to read any post extolling their virtues. Maybe that says something.

It says you don't know where to look.

Run a search engine on the Bayliner Owners Group. You'll find hundreds of happy
and satisfied Bayliner owners there.

Ever notice that most of the Bayliner horror stories are second hand, and told
by people who don't own one? (The misplumbed baitwell is an exception, it's not
second hand).

Human nature works like this: I sell you something, and tell you it's going to
give you good service and you will have a satisfactory ownership experience.
Over time, that proves to be true and so you tell *nobody*. Why should you? You
paid good money for a product with the assurance that you would be completely
or generally satisfied, that expectation is realized, and so it's not news. No
big deal. You wound up with what you thought you were going to get.

However, if I sell you something with the assurance that you will find the
ownership experience satisfactory and you are unhappy with the product you are
far more liekly to tell anybody willing to listen just how badly you were
treated, how screwed up the product is, why everything every sold by such and
such a retailer or built by
such and such a factory is a POS, etc.

Bayliner is no different than most products.
If it somes up in casual conversation, it's most likely because somebody feels
compelled to bitch and moan. The satisfied
people are too busy enjoying (any) product to waste time telling everybody how
happy they are.



I think you're reading a lot more into my post than I put there.

Not at all:

Here's exactly how you reacted to the story-


Wow, what a story! Now I know why Bayliner is so poorly regarded. What a
piece of crap - both the boat and the company. Thanks for sharing.

"Now I know"?

Don't hop my case for observing:

And sadly enough, we can see why Bayliner *is* poorly regarded- by some.

Always so easily convinced after hearing just one side of a story?

In article ,
(Gould 0738) wrote:

No, this represents yet one more disaster concerning Bayliner. I have yet
to read any post extolling their virtues. Maybe that says something.

It says you don't know where to look.


Don't waste your breath, Gould. It's more likely that he doesn't want to
hear any positive Bayliner anectdotes. After all, doing so would be to
risk modifying his opinion which would indicate that he is not
infallible. Something that a few people in this group have a problem
accepting.

As I've stated Bayliner may not be the first choice for many boaters, and
I will conceed that it may not even be a viable choice for some
applications (I still don't know this as fact but, will at least consider
it a reasonable possibility), but I have yet to see any evidence to
support this viewpoints such as Bayliners are "a piece of crap - both the
boat and the company"

Besides the human nature attributes you cited, add "People tend to stick
to their initial biases, despite new information" to that list.

Bob Dimond