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Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
BusinessWeek is carrying an article today that says that government
tests showed that the proposed LightSquared mobile service caused interference to 75% of all GPS receivers tested. The report can be found at: http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jyaazf There is big money behind this. I'd recommend writing your elected representatives and voicing your concerns. |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:32:16 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:
BusinessWeek is carrying an article today that says that government tests showed that the proposed LightSquared mobile service caused interference to 75% of all GPS receivers tested. The report can be found at: http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jyaazf There is big money behind this. I'd recommend writing your elected representatives and voicing your concerns. Done, a while back. |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... BusinessWeek is carrying an article today that says that government tests showed that the proposed LightSquared mobile service caused interference to 75% of all GPS receivers tested. The report can be found at: http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jyaazf There is big money behind this. I'd recommend writing your elected representatives and voicing your concerns. If LightSquared succeeds in this spectrum land-grab, it would be a disaster for GPS users, in particular the aviation industry and the military. There's some BIG money behind them - some big swinging dick investors - and they're trying to get their stake in the ground early enough so that they can hope to succeed against any resistance. Write your representatives. Tom |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On Dec 14, 8:32*am, Wayne.B wrote:
BusinessWeek is carrying an article today that says that government tests showed that the proposed LightSquared mobile service caused interference to 75% of all GPS receivers tested. The report can be found at:http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jyaazf There is big money behind this. * I'd recommend writing your elected representatives and voicing your concerns. That could be a bad deal. I'm a slow learner, but my wife just updated her Garmin and gave her old one. I'm not dependent of it but I'm kinda liking it. too bad if they'll all be screwed up |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On 12/15/11 7:42 AM, Tim wrote:
On Dec 14, 8:32 am, wrote: BusinessWeek is carrying an article today that says that government tests showed that the proposed LightSquared mobile service caused interference to 75% of all GPS receivers tested. The report can be found at:http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jyaazf There is big money behind this. I'd recommend writing your elected representatives and voicing your concerns. That could be a bad deal. I'm a slow learner, but my wife just updated her Garmin and gave her old one. I'm not dependent of it but I'm kinda liking it. too bad if they'll all be screwed up From my point of view of being against the takeover of the United States by corporate interests, this is almost laughable. The well-heeled corporate interests at LightSquared are lobbying to push their theory that their snatch of bandwidth isn't going to do any harm to existing services because, well, because they say so. On the other hand, we have reports that: Government tests showed that "LightSquared signals caused harmful interference to the majority of…general purpose GPS receivers," said Anthony Russo, director of the National Coordination Office for Spaced-Based Positioning, Navigation and Timing, a government and industry advisory board, in a statement late Wednesday. How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future commercial GPS service. Corporatism uber alles. -- http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On 12/15/2011 7:56 AM, X ` Man wrote:
From my point of view of being against the takeover of the United States by corporate interests, this is almost laughable. The well-heeled corporate interests at LightSquared are lobbying to push their theory that their snatch of bandwidth isn't going to do any harm to existing services because, well, because they say so. On the other hand, we have reports that: Government tests showed that "LightSquared signals caused harmful interference to the majority of…general purpose GPS receivers," said Anthony Russo, director of the National Coordination Office for Spaced-Based Positioning, Navigation and Timing, a government and industry advisory board, in a statement late Wednesday. How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future commercial GPS service. Corporatism uber alles. WELL THEN, DON'T JUST SIT THERE, DO SOMETHING... |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On 12/15/2011 8:50 AM, A boater wrote:
On 12/15/2011 7:56 AM, X ` Man wrote: From my point of view of being against the takeover of the United States by corporate interests, this is almost laughable. The well-heeled corporate interests at LightSquared are lobbying to push their theory that their snatch of bandwidth isn't going to do any harm to existing services because, well, because they say so. On the other hand, we have reports that: Government tests showed that "LightSquared signals caused harmful interference to the majority of…general purpose GPS receivers," said Anthony Russo, director of the National Coordination Office for Spaced-Based Positioning, Navigation and Timing, a government and industry advisory board, in a statement late Wednesday. How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future commercial GPS service. Corporatism uber alles. WELL THEN, DON'T JUST SIT THERE, DO SOMETHING... As much **** as I am sure to take I have to admit, I am addicted to my GPS. It's on all the time, always pointed where I am going (over 5 miles or so) even if I go there every day like the track or the stables. I like the clock, the speedometer, and just not spacing by a turn. Of course I do end up going a lot of places that are new to me during the year too traveling around from track to track... So, I need my GPS! |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
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Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:56:56 -0500, X ` Man
wrote: How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future commercial GPS service. === That seems overly pessimistic. If there is enough grass roots opposition, the proposal as it presently exists will be defeated. That's why it is important that everyone write. My best guess is that eventually Lightspeed will be forced to barter with the FCC to get the use of some other frequencies. |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On 12/15/11 10:12 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:56:56 -0500, X ` Man wrote: How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future commercial GPS service. === That seems overly pessimistic. If there is enough grass roots opposition, the proposal as it presently exists will be defeated. That's why it is important that everyone write. My best guess is that eventually Lightspeed will be forced to barter with the FCC to get the use of some other frequencies. I hope you are right, but recent history indicates otherwise, at least as far as the ordinary public's interest goes. -- http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On Dec 15, 11:12*am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:56:56 -0500, X ` Man wrote: How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future commercial GPS service. === That seems overly pessimistic. * If there is enough grass roots opposition, the proposal as it presently exists will be defeated. That's why it is important that everyone write. My best guess is that eventually Lightspeed will be forced to barter with the FCC to get the use of some other frequencies. I hope you are successful... what happens to you will happen to us. Here on the coast, a good GPS can be a life saver...... especially now that most boaters have been spoiled and probably rely too heavily on the service. |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:54:01 -0800 (PST), North Star
wrote: On Dec 15, 11:12*am, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:56:56 -0500, X ` Man wrote: How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future commercial GPS service. === That seems overly pessimistic. * If there is enough grass roots opposition, the proposal as it presently exists will be defeated. That's why it is important that everyone write. My best guess is that eventually Lightspeed will be forced to barter with the FCC to get the use of some other frequencies. I hope you are successful... what happens to you will happen to us. Here on the coast, a good GPS can be a life saver...... especially now that most boaters have been spoiled and probably rely too heavily on the service. === A lot of folks have forgotten what it was like "in the good old days" when we thought we were doing OK to know our position within a mile or so. LORAN-C was such a huge improvement that most of us rushed out to buy one as soon as they became affordable because that usually improved our accuracy to plus or minus100 yards. LORAN is gone now because GPS was another vast improvement, and without it, we'd be back to hand bearing compass, dead reckoning and Radio Direction Finders (extra points awarded if you understand that). I still have our original RDF purchased back in the early 1970s. It was crude but after sailing offshore all day in the fog it was a lot better than nothing. |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On Dec 15, 12:15*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:54:01 -0800 (PST), North Star wrote: On Dec 15, 11:12*am, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:56:56 -0500, X ` Man wrote: How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future commercial GPS service. === That seems overly pessimistic. * If there is enough grass roots opposition, the proposal as it presently exists will be defeated. That's why it is important that everyone write. My best guess is that eventually Lightspeed will be forced to barter with the FCC to get the use of some other frequencies. I hope you are successful... what happens to you will happen to us. Here on the coast, a good GPS can be a life saver...... *especially now that most boaters have been spoiled and probably rely too heavily on the service. === A lot of folks have forgotten what it was like "in the good old days" when we thought we were doing OK to know our position within a mile or so. * LORAN-C was such a huge improvement that most of us rushed out to buy one as soon as they became affordable because that usually improved our accuracy to plus or minus100 yards. * LORAN is gone now because GPS was another vast improvement, and without it, we'd be back to hand bearing compass, dead reckoning and Radio Direction Finders (extra points awarded if you understand that). *I still have our original RDF purchased back in the early 1970s. *It was crude but after sailing offshore all day in the fog it was a lot better than nothing.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Every fall or winter when I might get bored, I think about buying a sextant and taking the Jr Navigator & Navigation courses from our local Power & Sail Squadron Then I realize it's probably cheaper to invest in a 2nd maping GPS and the urge fades. |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:56:56 -0500, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/15/11 7:42 AM, Tim wrote: On Dec 14, 8:32 am, wrote: BusinessWeek is carrying an article today that says that government tests showed that the proposed LightSquared mobile service caused interference to 75% of all GPS receivers tested. The report can be found at:http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jyaazf There is big money behind this. I'd recommend writing your elected representatives and voicing your concerns. That could be a bad deal. I'm a slow learner, but my wife just updated her Garmin and gave her old one. I'm not dependent of it but I'm kinda liking it. too bad if they'll all be screwed up From my point of view of being against the takeover of the United States by corporate interests, this is almost laughable. The well-heeled corporate interests at LightSquared are lobbying to push their theory that their snatch of bandwidth isn't going to do any harm to existing services because, well, because they say so. On the other hand, we have reports that: Government tests showed that "LightSquared signals caused harmful interference to the majority of…general purpose GPS receivers," said Anthony Russo, director of the National Coordination Office for Spaced-Based Positioning, Navigation and Timing, a government and industry advisory board, in a statement late Wednesday. How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future commercial GPS service. Corporatism uber alles. You would think your friggin' president would do something for the 'common man', wouldn't you? Trouble is, he's bought and paid for. Y'all just haven't realized it yet. |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:36:53 -0800 (PST), North Star
wrote: On Dec 15, 12:15*pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:54:01 -0800 (PST), North Star wrote: On Dec 15, 11:12*am, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:56:56 -0500, X ` Man wrote: How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future commercial GPS service. === That seems overly pessimistic. * If there is enough grass roots opposition, the proposal as it presently exists will be defeated. That's why it is important that everyone write. My best guess is that eventually Lightspeed will be forced to barter with the FCC to get the use of some other frequencies. I hope you are successful... what happens to you will happen to us. Here on the coast, a good GPS can be a life saver...... *especially now that most boaters have been spoiled and probably rely too heavily on the service. === A lot of folks have forgotten what it was like "in the good old days" when we thought we were doing OK to know our position within a mile or so. * LORAN-C was such a huge improvement that most of us rushed out to buy one as soon as they became affordable because that usually improved our accuracy to plus or minus100 yards. * LORAN is gone now because GPS was another vast improvement, and without it, we'd be back to hand bearing compass, dead reckoning and Radio Direction Finders (extra points awarded if you understand that). *I still have our original RDF purchased back in the early 1970s. *It was crude but after sailing offshore all day in the fog it was a lot better than nothing.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Every fall or winter when I might get bored, I think about buying a sextant and taking the Jr Navigator & Navigation courses from our local Power & Sail Squadron Then I realize it's probably cheaper to invest in a 2nd maping GPS and the urge fades. === It's worthwhile to take the course if you're at all interested in navigation as a science. There's no doubt however that GPS is cheaper, easier and a lot more accurate. It's my understanding that celestial nav is no longer being taught to naval officers. Prior to the mid 80s no one could call themselves a serious offshore cruiser unless they knew celestial and were halfway decent at it. |
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Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On Dec 15, 7:59*am, JustWait wrote:
On 12/15/2011 8:50 AM, A boater wrote: On 12/15/2011 7:56 AM, X ` Man wrote: From my point of view of being against the takeover of the United States by corporate interests, this is almost laughable. The well-heeled corporate interests at LightSquared are lobbying to push their theory that their snatch of bandwidth isn't going to do any harm to existing services because, well, because they say so. On the other hand, we have reports that: Government tests showed that "LightSquared signals caused harmful interference to the majority of…general purpose GPS receivers," said Anthony Russo, director of the National Coordination Office for Spaced-Based Positioning, Navigation and Timing, a government and industry advisory board, in a statement late Wednesday. How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future commercial GPS service. Corporatism uber alles. WELL THEN, DON'T JUST SIT THERE, DO SOMETHING... As much **** as I am sure to take I have to admit, I am addicted to my GPS. It's on all the time, always pointed where I am going (over 5 miles or so) even if I go there every day like the track or the stables. I like the clock, the speedometer, and just not spacing by a turn. Of course I do end up going a lot of places that are new to me during the year too traveling around from track to track... So, I need my GPS! At night I like watching the little car image follow the pink ribbon of a road.... |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On Dec 15, 7:39*pm, Tim wrote:
On Dec 15, 7:59*am, JustWait wrote: On 12/15/2011 8:50 AM, A boater wrote: On 12/15/2011 7:56 AM, X ` Man wrote: From my point of view of being against the takeover of the United States by corporate interests, this is almost laughable. The well-heeled corporate interests at LightSquared are lobbying to push their theory that their snatch of bandwidth isn't going to do any harm to existing services because, well, because they say so. On the other hand, we have reports that: Government tests showed that "LightSquared signals caused harmful interference to the majority of…general purpose GPS receivers," said Anthony Russo, director of the National Coordination Office for Spaced-Based Positioning, Navigation and Timing, a government and industry advisory board, in a statement late Wednesday. How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future commercial GPS service. Corporatism uber alles. WELL THEN, DON'T JUST SIT THERE, DO SOMETHING... As much **** as I am sure to take I have to admit, I am addicted to my GPS. It's on all the time, always pointed where I am going (over 5 miles or so) even if I go there every day like the track or the stables. I like the clock, the speedometer, and just not spacing by a turn. Of course I do end up going a lot of places that are new to me during the year too traveling around from track to track... So, I need my GPS! At night I like watching the little car image follow the pink ribbon of a road....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You can be tricked by the gadgets. In August I had the wife, mom, two sisters and the dog in the RAV4 sightseeing in rural Cape Breton. (was also pulling my new Mission aluminum utility trailer with all our luggage and mom's wheelchair inside) Rather than use street signs, I asked the garmin to take me to a particular town on the Bras d'Or Lakes. The road got smaller... turned to gravel and then got narrower and narrower. We ended up in some farm's front yard on a dead end. Retraced our steps and followed the highway signs from then on. |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On 12/15/2011 6:49 PM, North Star wrote:
On Dec 15, 7:39 pm, wrote: On Dec 15, 7:59 am, wrote: On 12/15/2011 8:50 AM, A boater wrote: On 12/15/2011 7:56 AM, X ` Man wrote: From my point of view of being against the takeover of the United States by corporate interests, this is almost laughable. The well-heeled corporate interests at LightSquared are lobbying to push their theory that their snatch of bandwidth isn't going to do any harm to existing services because, well, because they say so. On the other hand, we have reports that: Government tests showed that "LightSquared signals caused harmful interference to the majority of…general purpose GPS receivers," said Anthony Russo, director of the National Coordination Office for Spaced-Based Positioning, Navigation and Timing, a government and industry advisory board, in a statement late Wednesday. How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future commercial GPS service. Corporatism uber alles. WELL THEN, DON'T JUST SIT THERE, DO SOMETHING... As much **** as I am sure to take I have to admit, I am addicted to my GPS. It's on all the time, always pointed where I am going (over 5 miles or so) even if I go there every day like the track or the stables. I like the clock, the speedometer, and just not spacing by a turn. Of course I do end up going a lot of places that are new to me during the year too traveling around from track to track... So, I need my GPS! At night I like watching the little car image follow the pink ribbon of a road....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You can be tricked by the gadgets. In August I had the wife, mom, two sisters and the dog in the RAV4 sightseeing in rural Cape Breton. (was also pulling my new Mission aluminum utility trailer with all our luggage and mom's wheelchair inside) Rather than use street signs, I asked the garmin to take me to a particular town on the Bras d'Or Lakes. The road got smaller... turned to gravel and then got narrower and narrower. We ended up in some farm's front yard on a dead end. Retraced our steps and followed the highway signs from then on. Be careful when navigating the roads of far northeast territories. Many of the roads end up in a farmer's driveway. -- 1-20-13 The end of an error |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On Dec 15, 5:49*pm, North Star wrote:
On Dec 15, 7:39*pm, Tim wrote: On Dec 15, 7:59*am, JustWait wrote: On 12/15/2011 8:50 AM, A boater wrote: On 12/15/2011 7:56 AM, X ` Man wrote: From my point of view of being against the takeover of the United States by corporate interests, this is almost laughable. The well-heeled corporate interests at LightSquared are lobbying to push their theory that their snatch of bandwidth isn't going to do any harm to existing services because, well, because they say so. On the other hand, we have reports that: Government tests showed that "LightSquared signals caused harmful interference to the majority of…general purpose GPS receivers," said Anthony Russo, director of the National Coordination Office for Spaced-Based Positioning, Navigation and Timing, a government and industry advisory board, in a statement late Wednesday. How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future commercial GPS service. Corporatism uber alles. WELL THEN, DON'T JUST SIT THERE, DO SOMETHING... As much **** as I am sure to take I have to admit, I am addicted to my GPS. It's on all the time, always pointed where I am going (over 5 miles or so) even if I go there every day like the track or the stables. I like the clock, the speedometer, and just not spacing by a turn. Of course I do end up going a lot of places that are new to me during the year too traveling around from track to track... So, I need my GPS! At night I like watching the little car image follow the pink ribbon of a road....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You can be tricked by the gadgets. In August I had the wife, mom, two sisters and the dog in the RAV4 sightseeing in rural Cape Breton. (was also pulling my new Mission aluminum utility trailer with all our luggage and mom's wheelchair inside) Rather than use street signs, I asked the garmin to take me to a particular town on the Bras d'Or Lakes. The road got smaller... turned to gravel and then got narrower and narrower. We ended up in some farm's front yard on a dead end. * Retraced our steps and followed the highway signs from then on. The only time I've really used it was to find my way around unfamiliar towns. To me it's useless on a 4 lane, but coming into some place like Chicago, St. Lou,or Indianapolis, it's handy to catch the right exit and street, especially during a rush hr. traffic. |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
North Star wrote:
On Dec 15, 11:12 am, wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:56:56 -0500, X ` Man wrote: How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future commercial GPS service. === That seems overly pessimistic. If there is enough grass roots opposition, the proposal as it presently exists will be defeated. That's why it is important that everyone write. My best guess is that eventually Lightspeed will be forced to barter with the FCC to get the use of some other frequencies. I hope you are successful... what happens to you will happen to us. Here on the coast, a good GPS can be a life saver...... especially now that most boaters have been spoiled and probably rely too heavily on the service. You need a GPS to get that rowboat back to shore? Save the money and get new prescription glasses. -HB |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
North Star wrote:
On Dec 15, 7:39 pm, wrote: On Dec 15, 7:59 am, wrote: On 12/15/2011 8:50 AM, A boater wrote: On 12/15/2011 7:56 AM, X ` Man wrote: From my point of view of being against the takeover of the United States by corporate interests, this is almost laughable. The well-heeled corporate interests at LightSquared are lobbying to push their theory that their snatch of bandwidth isn't going to do any harm to existing services because, well, because they say so. On the other hand, we have reports that: Government tests showed that "LightSquared signals caused harmful interference to the majority of…general purpose GPS receivers," said Anthony Russo, director of the National Coordination Office for Spaced-Based Positioning, Navigation and Timing, a government and industry advisory board, in a statement late Wednesday. How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future commercial GPS service. Corporatism uber alles. WELL THEN, DON'T JUST SIT THERE, DO SOMETHING... As much **** as I am sure to take I have to admit, I am addicted to my GPS. It's on all the time, always pointed where I am going (over 5 miles or so) even if I go there every day like the track or the stables. I like the clock, the speedometer, and just not spacing by a turn. Of course I do end up going a lot of places that are new to me during the year too traveling around from track to track... So, I need my GPS! At night I like watching the little car image follow the pink ribbon of a road....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You can be tricked by the gadgets. In August I had the wife, mom, two sisters and the dog in the RAV4 sightseeing in rural Cape Breton. (was also pulling my new Mission aluminum utility trailer with all our luggage and mom's wheelchair inside) Rather than use street signs, I asked the garmin to take me to a particular town on the Bras d'Or Lakes. The road got smaller... turned to gravel and then got narrower and narrower. We ended up in some farm's front yard on a dead end. Retraced our steps and followed the highway signs from then on. Five women and a dog in the RAV4? Aside from the stench, did you ladies enjoy the trip? -HB |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On Dec 15, 9:18*pm, Honey Badger wrote:
North Star wrote: On Dec 15, 7:39 pm, *wrote: On Dec 15, 7:59 am, *wrote: On 12/15/2011 8:50 AM, A boater wrote: On 12/15/2011 7:56 AM, X ` Man wrote: *From my point of view of being against the takeover of the United States by corporate interests, this is almost laughable. The well-heeled corporate interests at LightSquared are lobbying to push their theory that their snatch of bandwidth isn't going to do any harm to existing services because, well, because they say so. On the other hand, we have reports that: Government tests showed that "LightSquared signals caused harmful interference to the majority of…general purpose GPS receivers," said Anthony Russo, director of the National Coordination Office for Spaced-Based Positioning, Navigation and Timing, a government and industry advisory board, in a statement late Wednesday. How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future commercial GPS service. Corporatism uber alles. WELL THEN, DON'T JUST SIT THERE, DO SOMETHING... As much **** as I am sure to take I have to admit, I am addicted to my GPS. It's on all the time, always pointed where I am going (over 5 miles or so) even if I go there every day like the track or the stables. I like the clock, the speedometer, and just not spacing by a turn. Of course I do end up going a lot of places that are new to me during the year too traveling around from track to track... So, I need my GPS! At night I like watching the little car image follow the pink ribbon of a road....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You can be tricked by the gadgets. In August I had the wife, mom, two sisters and the dog in the RAV4 sightseeing in rural Cape Breton. (was also pulling my new Mission aluminum utility trailer with all our luggage and mom's wheelchair inside) Rather than use street signs, I asked the garmin to take me to a particular town on the Bras d'Or Lakes. The road got smaller... turned to gravel and then got narrower and narrower. We ended up in some farm's front yard on a dead end. * Retraced our steps and followed the highway signs from then on. Five women and a dog in the RAV4? *Aside from the stench, did you ladies enjoy the trip? -HB- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Enjoy this, GirlieBoy! |
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Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On Dec 16, 9:32*am, iBoaterer wrote:
In article b729b219-a136-4050-882b-1af65a81cd57 @i6g2000vbh.googlegroups.com, says... On Dec 15, 12:15*pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:54:01 -0800 (PST), North Star wrote: On Dec 15, 11:12*am, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:56:56 -0500, X ` Man wrote: How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest.. And we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future commercial GPS service. === That seems overly pessimistic. * If there is enough grass roots opposition, the proposal as it presently exists will be defeated. That's why it is important that everyone write. My best guess is that eventually Lightspeed will be forced to barter with the FCC to get the use of some other frequencies. I hope you are successful... what happens to you will happen to us. Here on the coast, a good GPS can be a life saver...... *especially now that most boaters have been spoiled and probably rely too heavily on the service. === A lot of folks have forgotten what it was like "in the good old days" when we thought we were doing OK to know our position within a mile or so. * LORAN-C was such a huge improvement that most of us rushed out to buy one as soon as they became affordable because that usually improved our accuracy to plus or minus100 yards. * LORAN is gone now because GPS was another vast improvement, and without it, we'd be back to hand bearing compass, dead reckoning and Radio Direction Finders (extra points awarded if you understand that). *I still have our original RDF purchased back in the early 1970s. *It was crude but after sailing offshore all day in the fog it was a lot better than nothing.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Every fall or winter when I might get bored, I think about buying a sextant and taking the Jr Navigator & Navigation courses from our local Power & Sail Squadron Then I realize it's probably cheaper to invest in a 2nd maping GPS and the urge fades. Yeah, far be it from an idiot like you to want to learn anything, Suckling Don the Coward!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, I've learned that you are the biggest jackass and cowardly NancyBoy in this newsgroup. Of course, that's no great feat since you are painfully transparent. |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On Dec 16, 9:35*am, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 9453b1b4-511d-49ff-b876-e9f1e6bf4220 @u6g2000vbg.googlegroups.com, says... On Dec 15, 9:18*pm, Honey Badger wrote: North Star wrote: On Dec 15, 7:39 pm, *wrote: On Dec 15, 7:59 am, *wrote: On 12/15/2011 8:50 AM, A boater wrote: On 12/15/2011 7:56 AM, X ` Man wrote: *From my point of view of being against the takeover of the United States by corporate interests, this is almost laughable. The well-heeled corporate interests at LightSquared are lobbying to push their theory that their snatch of bandwidth isn't going to do any harm to existing services because, well, because they say so. On the other hand, we have reports that: Government tests showed that "LightSquared signals caused harmful interference to the majority of?general purpose GPS receivers," said Anthony Russo, director of the National Coordination Office for Spaced-Based Positioning, Navigation and Timing, a government and industry advisory board, in a statement late Wednesday. How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future commercial GPS service. Corporatism uber alles. WELL THEN, DON'T JUST SIT THERE, DO SOMETHING... As much **** as I am sure to take I have to admit, I am addicted to my GPS. It's on all the time, always pointed where I am going (over 5 miles or so) even if I go there every day like the track or the stables.. I like the clock, the speedometer, and just not spacing by a turn. Of course I do end up going a lot of places that are new to me during the year too traveling around from track to track... So, I need my GPS! At night I like watching the little car image follow the pink ribbon of a road....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You can be tricked by the gadgets. In August I had the wife, mom, two sisters and the dog in the RAV4 sightseeing in rural Cape Breton. (was also pulling my new Mission aluminum utility trailer with all our luggage and mom's wheelchair inside) Rather than use street signs, I asked the garmin to take me to a particular town on the Bras d'Or Lakes. The road got smaller... turned to gravel and then got narrower and narrower. We ended up in some farm's front yard on a dead end. * Retraced our steps and followed the highway signs from then on. Five women and a dog in the RAV4? *Aside from the stench, did you ladies enjoy the trip? -HB- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Enjoy this, GirlieBoy! Let's see. Suckling Don goes on a trip with five women and a dog, in a RAV4.... and he calls someone else a "girlieboy"????- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So... you usually travel with your 'boyfriends'?? |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On Dec 16, 9:35*am, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 9453b1b4-511d-49ff-b876-e9f1e6bf4220 @u6g2000vbg.googlegroups.com, says... On Dec 15, 9:18*pm, Honey Badger wrote: North Star wrote: On Dec 15, 7:39 pm, *wrote: On Dec 15, 7:59 am, *wrote: On 12/15/2011 8:50 AM, A boater wrote: On 12/15/2011 7:56 AM, X ` Man wrote: *From my point of view of being against the takeover of the United States by corporate interests, this is almost laughable. The well-heeled corporate interests at LightSquared are lobbying to push their theory that their snatch of bandwidth isn't going to do any harm to existing services because, well, because they say so. On the other hand, we have reports that: Government tests showed that "LightSquared signals caused harmful interference to the majority of?general purpose GPS receivers," said Anthony Russo, director of the National Coordination Office for Spaced-Based Positioning, Navigation and Timing, a government and industry advisory board, in a statement late Wednesday. How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future commercial GPS service. Corporatism uber alles. WELL THEN, DON'T JUST SIT THERE, DO SOMETHING... As much **** as I am sure to take I have to admit, I am addicted to my GPS. It's on all the time, always pointed where I am going (over 5 miles or so) even if I go there every day like the track or the stables.. I like the clock, the speedometer, and just not spacing by a turn. Of course I do end up going a lot of places that are new to me during the year too traveling around from track to track... So, I need my GPS! At night I like watching the little car image follow the pink ribbon of a road....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You can be tricked by the gadgets. In August I had the wife, mom, two sisters and the dog in the RAV4 sightseeing in rural Cape Breton. (was also pulling my new Mission aluminum utility trailer with all our luggage and mom's wheelchair inside) Rather than use street signs, I asked the garmin to take me to a particular town on the Bras d'Or Lakes. The road got smaller... turned to gravel and then got narrower and narrower. We ended up in some farm's front yard on a dead end. * Retraced our steps and followed the highway signs from then on. Five women and a dog in the RAV4? *Aside from the stench, did you ladies enjoy the trip? -HB- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Enjoy this, GirlieBoy! Let's see. Suckling Don goes on a trip with five women and a dog, in a RAV4.... and he calls someone else a "girlieboy"????- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - BTW.... since you seem to be math challenged.. that would be FOUR women. i couldn't jamb 5 women, myself and the dog into my RAV4, Kevin. |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On Dec 16, 9:34*am, iBoaterer wrote:
In article b671a719-d316-4126-9863-fc7f0a168a11 @u6g2000vbg.googlegroups.com, says... On Dec 15, 7:39*pm, Tim wrote: On Dec 15, 7:59*am, JustWait wrote: On 12/15/2011 8:50 AM, A boater wrote: On 12/15/2011 7:56 AM, X ` Man wrote: From my point of view of being against the takeover of the United States by corporate interests, this is almost laughable. The well-heeled corporate interests at LightSquared are lobbying to push their theory that their snatch of bandwidth isn't going to do any harm to existing services because, well, because they say so. On the other hand, we have reports that: Government tests showed that "LightSquared signals caused harmful interference to the majority of?general purpose GPS receivers," said Anthony Russo, director of the National Coordination Office for Spaced-Based Positioning, Navigation and Timing, a government and industry advisory board, in a statement late Wednesday. How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future commercial GPS service. Corporatism uber alles. WELL THEN, DON'T JUST SIT THERE, DO SOMETHING... As much **** as I am sure to take I have to admit, I am addicted to my GPS. It's on all the time, always pointed where I am going (over 5 miles or so) even if I go there every day like the track or the stables. I like the clock, the speedometer, and just not spacing by a turn. Of course I do end up going a lot of places that are new to me during the year too traveling around from track to track... So, I need my GPS! At night I like watching the little car image follow the pink ribbon of a road....- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You can be tricked by the gadgets. In August I had the wife, mom, two sisters and the dog in the RAV4 sightseeing in rural Cape Breton. (was also pulling my new Mission aluminum utility trailer with all our luggage and mom's wheelchair inside) Rather than use street signs, I asked the garmin to take me to a particular town on the Bras d'Or Lakes. The road got smaller... turned to gravel and then got narrower and narrower. We ended up in some farm's front yard on a dead end. * Retraced our steps and followed the highway signs from then on. Try updated your software and firmware.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - My model doesn't have the lifetime upgrades. If I have to pay...it's probably better to just catch a sale on a new unit with those free quarterly upgrades, Kevin. |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On 12/16/11 9:24 AM, North Star wrote:
On Dec 16, 9:32 am, wrote: In articleb729b219-a136-4050-882b-1af65a81cd57 @i6g2000vbh.googlegroups.com, says... On Dec 15, 12:15 pm, wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:54:01 -0800 (PST), North Star wrote: On Dec 15, 11:12 am, wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:56:56 -0500, X ` Man wrote: How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future commercial GPS service. === That seems overly pessimistic. If there is enough grass roots opposition, the proposal as it presently exists will be defeated. That's why it is important that everyone write. My best guess is that eventually Lightspeed will be forced to barter with the FCC to get the use of some other frequencies. I hope you are successful... what happens to you will happen to us. Here on the coast, a good GPS can be a life saver...... especially now that most boaters have been spoiled and probably rely too heavily on the service. === A lot of folks have forgotten what it was like "in the good old days" when we thought we were doing OK to know our position within a mile or so. LORAN-C was such a huge improvement that most of us rushed out to buy one as soon as they became affordable because that usually improved our accuracy to plus or minus100 yards. LORAN is gone now because GPS was another vast improvement, and without it, we'd be back to hand bearing compass, dead reckoning and Radio Direction Finders (extra points awarded if you understand that). I still have our original RDF purchased back in the early 1970s. It was crude but after sailing offshore all day in the fog it was a lot better than nothing.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Every fall or winter when I might get bored, I think about buying a sextant and taking the Jr Navigator& Navigation courses from our local Power& Sail Squadron Then I realize it's probably cheaper to invest in a 2nd maping GPS and the urge fades. Yeah, far be it from an idiot like you to want to learn anything, Suckling Don the Coward!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, I've learned that you are the biggest jackass and cowardly NancyBoy in this newsgroup. Of course, that's no great feat since you are painfully transparent. No one but you and his showermate iSnotty responds to the little twerp. If you stopped, his only playdate would be with iSnotty. -- http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On Dec 16, 10:54*am, X ` Man dump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you-
can.com wrote: On 12/16/11 9:24 AM, North Star wrote: On Dec 16, 9:32 am, *wrote: In articleb729b219-a136-4050-882b-1af65a81cd57 @i6g2000vbh.googlegroups.com, says... On Dec 15, 12:15 pm, *wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:54:01 -0800 (PST), North Star *wrote: On Dec 15, 11:12 am, *wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:56:56 -0500, X ` Man *wrote: How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest.. And we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future commercial GPS service. === That seems overly pessimistic. * If there is enough grass roots opposition, the proposal as it presently exists will be defeated. That's why it is important that everyone write. My best guess is that eventually Lightspeed will be forced to barter with the FCC to get the use of some other frequencies. I hope you are successful... what happens to you will happen to us. Here on the coast, a good GPS can be a life saver...... *especially now that most boaters have been spoiled and probably rely too heavily on the service. === A lot of folks have forgotten what it was like "in the good old days" when we thought we were doing OK to know our position within a mile or so. * LORAN-C was such a huge improvement that most of us rushed out to buy one as soon as they became affordable because that usually improved our accuracy to plus or minus100 yards. * LORAN is gone now because GPS was another vast improvement, and without it, we'd be back to hand bearing compass, dead reckoning and Radio Direction Finders (extra points awarded if you understand that). *I still have our original RDF purchased back in the early 1970s. *It was crude but after sailing offshore all day in the fog it was a lot better than nothing.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Every fall or winter when I might get bored, I think about buying a sextant and taking the Jr Navigator& *Navigation courses from our local Power& *Sail Squadron Then I realize it's probably cheaper to invest in a 2nd maping GPS and the urge fades. Yeah, far be it from an idiot like you to want to learn anything, Suckling Don the Coward!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, I've learned that you are the biggest jackass and cowardly NancyBoy in this newsgroup. Of course, that's no great feat since you are painfully transparent. No one but you and his showermate iSnotty responds to the little twerp. If you stopped, his only playdate would be with iSnotty. --http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I would be worried that he'd go postal if completely ignored. I'd feel really bad if some pre-teen girl got her arms broken just because I didn''t suffer his loonyness. On the other hand, why should the burden be on me to humour him just to keep him out of trouble.... after all, they have drugs for that purpose. ;-) |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On 12/16/11 9:59 AM, North Star wrote:
On Dec 16, 10:54 am, X ` Mandump-on-conservati...@anywhere-you- can.com wrote: On 12/16/11 9:24 AM, North Star wrote: On Dec 16, 9:32 am, wrote: In articleb729b219-a136-4050-882b-1af65a81cd57 @i6g2000vbh.googlegroups.com, says... On Dec 15, 12:15 pm, wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:54:01 -0800 (PST), North Star wrote: On Dec 15, 11:12 am, wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:56:56 -0500, X ` Man wrote: How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future commercial GPS service. === That seems overly pessimistic. If there is enough grass roots opposition, the proposal as it presently exists will be defeated. That's why it is important that everyone write. My best guess is that eventually Lightspeed will be forced to barter with the FCC to get the use of some other frequencies. I hope you are successful... what happens to you will happen to us. Here on the coast, a good GPS can be a life saver...... especially now that most boaters have been spoiled and probably rely too heavily on the service. === A lot of folks have forgotten what it was like "in the good old days" when we thought we were doing OK to know our position within a mile or so. LORAN-C was such a huge improvement that most of us rushed out to buy one as soon as they became affordable because that usually improved our accuracy to plus or minus100 yards. LORAN is gone now because GPS was another vast improvement, and without it, we'd be back to hand bearing compass, dead reckoning and Radio Direction Finders (extra points awarded if you understand that). I still have our original RDF purchased back in the early 1970s. It was crude but after sailing offshore all day in the fog it was a lot better than nothing.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Every fall or winter when I might get bored, I think about buying a sextant and taking the Jr Navigator& Navigation courses from our local Power& Sail Squadron Then I realize it's probably cheaper to invest in a 2nd maping GPS and the urge fades. Yeah, far be it from an idiot like you to want to learn anything, Suckling Don the Coward!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, I've learned that you are the biggest jackass and cowardly NancyBoy in this newsgroup. Of course, that's no great feat since you are painfully transparent. No one but you and his showermate iSnotty responds to the little twerp. If you stopped, his only playdate would be with iSnotty. --http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I would be worried that he'd go postal if completely ignored. I'd feel really bad if some pre-teen girl got her arms broken just because I didn''t suffer his loonyness. On the other hand, why should the burden be on me to humour him just to keep him out of trouble.... after all, they have drugs for that purpose. ;-) So what if he goes postal? Who gives a ****? -- http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN |
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Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... BusinessWeek is carrying an article today that says that government tests showed that the proposed LightSquared mobile service caused interference to 75% of all GPS receivers tested. The report can be found at: http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jyaazf There is big money behind this. I'd recommend writing your elected representatives and voicing your concerns. It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all. Who needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and navigation marks are eyeball visible? Those who proceed down the Intracoastal Waterway with eyes glued to their GPS readout are putzes to be sure. It also seems to me that where a clean GPS signal is most needed, the commercial broadcast will not have the range to reach out that far. These signals are very weak and short-range. Lucky if they have a workable range of a mile. "The laboratory testing was performed for the National Space-Based Positioning, Navigation, and Timing (PNT) Systems Engineering Forum, an executive branch body that helps advise policy makers on issues around GPS. It found that 69 of 92, or 75 percent, of receivers tested "experienced harmful interference" at the equivalent of 100 meters (109 yards) from a LightSquared base station." - from link above. If you regularly sail within a 100 meters of a transceiver station (they won't be on the water, folks" then be worried - be very worried, but those instances will be few and far between to non-existent. Thank you and Merry Christmas. Wilbur Hubbard |
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