On 12/10/2011 5:11 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 12:30:05 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 09 Dec 2011 17:04:02 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 09 Dec 2011 12:49:58 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 08 Dec 2011 21:53:05 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 08 Dec 2011 21:43:02 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 08 Dec 2011 21:07:28 -0500, wrote:

uh no. if we destroy all guns, etc etc

the 2nd is anti american and should be repealed

I suppose you are going to repeal the 4th, 5th and 6th amendments too.
That is what you are talking about.


garbage. meaningless garbage. so typical of the right.

you guys are such slime

How are you going to get all of these guns without house to house
searches? (4th)

daniel patrick moynihan came up with the solution decades ago

shut down gun shops
no more cartridges sold

eventually the gun culture will disappear.

I guess you never heard of reloading.


Is the government going to give "just compensation" for the ones they
take?(5th)

absolutely!

Ah another $300 billion dollar unfunded mandate.


Is there going to be due process for every one of these confiscations?
(6th)

if the 2nd is repealed, there is no 'due process' necessary any more
than there is for possession of heroine

Yeah the banning of heroin was soo successful. You just created a
criminal enterprise around it.

Agreed. Didn't we learn ANYTHING from prohibition?

Heroin has been all but replaced by legal otc meds like Oxy and Percs..

On 12/10/11 6:46 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/10/2011 5:11 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 12:30:05 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 09 Dec 2011 17:04:02 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 09 Dec 2011 12:49:58 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 08 Dec 2011 21:53:05 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 08 Dec 2011 21:43:02 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 08 Dec 2011 21:07:28 -0500,
wrote:

uh no. if we destroy all guns, etc etc

the 2nd is anti american and should be repealed

I suppose you are going to repeal the 4th, 5th and 6th amendments
too.
That is what you are talking about.


garbage. meaningless garbage. so typical of the right.

you guys are such slime

How are you going to get all of these guns without house to house
searches? (4th)

daniel patrick moynihan came up with the solution decades ago

shut down gun shops
no more cartridges sold

eventually the gun culture will disappear.

I guess you never heard of reloading.


Is the government going to give "just compensation" for the ones they
take?(5th)

absolutely!

Ah another $300 billion dollar unfunded mandate.


Is there going to be due process for every one of these confiscations?
(6th)

if the 2nd is repealed, there is no 'due process' necessary any more
than there is for possession of heroine

Yeah the banning of heroin was soo successful. You just created a
criminal enterprise around it.

Agreed. Didn't we learn ANYTHING from prohibition?

Heroin has been all but replaced by legal otc meds like Oxy and Percs..


Perhaps that is the case in your crowd, but nationally, heroin addiction
hasn't dropped.

Here's a source for you...Stanford University School of Medicine:

http://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2011/0...rug_addiction/

Here's a quote:

"Likewise, some drug policy analysts believe that if marijuana were
legal, alcohol use would decline because some people could get some of
the alcohol consumption effects they enjoy by smoking marijuana instead.
But throughout the wave of prescription opioid addiction, heroin
addiction in the United States hasn’t dropped a bit. A number of smart
people have been speculating about this mystery, but no one has an
empirically based explanation of why the complementarity hypothesis
isn’t panning out."

There are many other professional sites reporting the same fact...that
heroin addiction is not diminishing.

So, as usual, you're blowing it out your butt.

Oh...and Oxycodone and Percodans (oxycondone and aspirin) and similar
narcotic drugs are not Over the Counter (OTC) drugs. You cannot buy them
OTC; they require a 'script.

It's a wonder you can wipe yourself, assuming you can.

--
http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/8272ug

On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 18:59:48 -0500 , X ` Man
wrote:
On 12/10/11 6:46 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/10/2011 5:11 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 10 Dec 2011 12:30:05 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 09 Dec 2011 17:04:02 -0500,
wrote:

On Fri, 09 Dec 2011 12:49:58 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 08 Dec 2011 21:53:05 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Dec 2011 21:43:02 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 08 Dec 2011 21:07:28 -0500,

wrote:

uh no. if we destroy all guns, etc etc

the 2nd is anti american and should be repealed

I suppose you are going to repeal the 4th, 5th and 6th
amendments
too.
That is what you are talking about.


garbage. meaningless garbage. so typical of the right.

you guys are such slime

How are you going to get all of these guns without house to
house
searches? (4th)

daniel patrick moynihan came up with the solution decades ago

shut down gun shops
no more cartridges sold

eventually the gun culture will disappear.

I guess you never heard of reloading.


Is the government going to give "just compensation" for the
ones they
take?(5th)

absolutely!

Ah another $300 billion dollar unfunded mandate.


Is there going to be due process for every one of these
confiscations?
(6th)

if the 2nd is repealed, there is no 'due process' necessary
any more
than there is for possession of heroine

Yeah the banning of heroin was soo successful. You just created
a
criminal enterprise around it.

Agreed. Didn't we learn ANYTHING from prohibition?

Heroin has been all but replaced by legal otc meds like Oxy and
Percs..




Perhaps that is the case in your crowd, but nationally, heroin
addiction
hasn't dropped.


Here's a source for you...Stanford University School of Medicine:


http://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2011/0...rug_addiction/


Here's a quote:


"Likewise, some drug policy analysts believe that if marijuana were
legal, alcohol use would decline because some people could get some
of
the alcohol consumption effects they enjoy by smoking marijuana
instead.
But throughout the wave of prescription opioid addiction, heroin
addiction in the United States hasnt dropped a bit. A number of
smart
people have been speculating about this mystery, but no one has an
empirically based explanation of why the complementarity hypothesis
isnt panning out."


There are many other professional sites reporting the same
fact...that
heroin addiction is not diminishing.


So, as usual, you're blowing it out your butt.


Oh...and Oxycodone and Percodans (oxycondone and aspirin) and
similar
narcotic drugs are not Over the Counter (OTC) drugs. You cannot buy
them
OTC; they require a 'script.


It's a wonder you can wipe yourself, assuming you can.



http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/8272ug

You seem to be extremely interested in getting Mary Jane legalized.
Do you have an appetite for the stuff?

--
2012, the end of an error:-) Yee Haw!

On 12/11/2011 1:16 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 10:46:07 -0500,
wrote:

You seem to be extremely interested in getting Mary Jane legalized.
Do you have an appetite for the stuff?

The real reason a lot of us want to see this legalized is because the
war on drugs has become one of the worst examples of a bloated
government program that simply wastes tons of money and returns
nothing to the tax payer.
The blow back has resulted in some of the worst constitutional
assaults
(profiling,.warrentless car searches, warrantless aerial surveillance
with IR imagery, warrantless wire taps, financial monitoring and the
list goes on)

Most of the abuses in the patriot act have been SOP for the DEA for
years.

I C If it's difficult to police then legalize it. Does that make sense?

--
1-20-13 The end of an error

On 12/11/2011 3:05 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 14:16:47 -0500, wrote:

On 12/11/2011 1:16 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 10:46:07 -0500,
wrote:

You seem to be extremely interested in getting Mary Jane legalized.
Do you have an appetite for the stuff?

The real reason a lot of us want to see this legalized is because the
war on drugs has become one of the worst examples of a bloated
government program that simply wastes tons of money and returns
nothing to the tax payer.
The blow back has resulted in some of the worst constitutional
assaults
(profiling,.warrentless car searches, warrantless aerial surveillance
with IR imagery, warrantless wire taps, financial monitoring and the
list goes on)

Most of the abuses in the patriot act have been SOP for the DEA for
years.

I C If it's difficult to police then legalize it. Does that make sense?

It is easy for the police, they love the Rambo aspect of kicking down
doors and slapping people around. It is just hard on the tax payer and
the innocent people who end up paying for it or just get swept up in
the violence (narco or police)

I suppose you thought alcohol prohibition was a great idea too. There
are far more parallels than differences. In fact the laws against pot
were strengthened in the 30s to fill the gap when all of the
prohibition agents were laid off. There was more than just a little
racism involved too.
Pot was seen as being a black and latino drug of choice while middle
class people just got drunk on the "good" drug.

Alcohol abuse often has the same result as drug use. I don't know of any
drug, alcohol included, that enhances your senses, awareness, and motor
control. I suppose that is why employers frown upon the use of any of
those substances in the workplace. Gosh, they've even banned
smoking,"for the public good". It's tough when people can't act
responsibly. They have to be regulated and I know you don't like it.

--
1-20-13 The end of an error

In article m,
says...

On 12/11/2011 3:05 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 14:16:47 -0500, wrote:

On 12/11/2011 1:16 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 10:46:07 -0500,
wrote:

You seem to be extremely interested in getting Mary Jane legalized.
Do you have an appetite for the stuff?

The real reason a lot of us want to see this legalized is because the
war on drugs has become one of the worst examples of a bloated
government program that simply wastes tons of money and returns
nothing to the tax payer.
The blow back has resulted in some of the worst constitutional
assaults
(profiling,.warrentless car searches, warrantless aerial surveillance
with IR imagery, warrantless wire taps, financial monitoring and the
list goes on)

Most of the abuses in the patriot act have been SOP for the DEA for
years.

I C If it's difficult to police then legalize it. Does that make sense?

It is easy for the police, they love the Rambo aspect of kicking down
doors and slapping people around. It is just hard on the tax payer and
the innocent people who end up paying for it or just get swept up in
the violence (narco or police)

I suppose you thought alcohol prohibition was a great idea too. There
are far more parallels than differences. In fact the laws against pot
were strengthened in the 30s to fill the gap when all of the
prohibition agents were laid off. There was more than just a little
racism involved too.
Pot was seen as being a black and latino drug of choice while middle
class people just got drunk on the "good" drug.

Alcohol abuse often has the same result as drug use. I don't know of any
drug, alcohol included, that enhances your senses, awareness, and motor
control. I suppose that is why employers frown upon the use of any of
those substances in the workplace. Gosh, they've even banned
smoking,"for the public good". It's tough when people can't act
responsibly. They have to be regulated and I know you don't like it.

Most employers are just looking at the bottom line. The insurance
carriers give them a discount if the implement strict drug and alcohol
use restrictions.

On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 13:16:42 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 10:46:07 -0500, Drifter
wrote:

You seem to be extremely interested in getting Mary Jane legalized.
Do you have an appetite for the stuff?

The real reason a lot of us want to see this legalized is because the
war on drugs has become one of the worst examples of a bloated
government program that simply wastes tons of money and returns
nothing to the tax payer.
The blow back has resulted in some of the worst constitutional
assaults
(profiling,.warrentless car searches, warrantless aerial surveillance
with IR imagery, warrantless wire taps, financial monitoring and the
list goes on)

Most of the abuses in the patriot act have been SOP for the DEA for
years.

===

In addition to that, the "war on drugs" has become very much like
prohibition. The demand is there, the consumers are there, so a huge
illicit and illegal industry has sprung up to keep the market
supplied. Profits of this industry are artificially inflated
because of the illegality, and because of the huge profits, corruption
and crime run rampant everywhere the drug trade operates. Like
prohibition the supporting criminal supply network is far worse than
the original problem. Everyone wanted to make drugs illegal to
protect their children but the kids are getting drugs anyway along
with the societal problems of the drug industry which have become
pervasive.

On 12/11/2011 2:27 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 13:16:42 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 10:46:07 -0500,
wrote:

You seem to be extremely interested in getting Mary Jane legalized.
Do you have an appetite for the stuff?

The real reason a lot of us want to see this legalized is because the
war on drugs has become one of the worst examples of a bloated
government program that simply wastes tons of money and returns
nothing to the tax payer.
The blow back has resulted in some of the worst constitutional
assaults
(profiling,.warrentless car searches, warrantless aerial surveillance
with IR imagery, warrantless wire taps, financial monitoring and the
list goes on)

Most of the abuses in the patriot act have been SOP for the DEA for
years.

===

In addition to that, the "war on drugs" has become very much like
prohibition. The demand is there, the consumers are there, so a huge
illicit and illegal industry has sprung up to keep the market
supplied. Profits of this industry are artificially inflated
because of the illegality, and because of the huge profits, corruption
and crime run rampant everywhere the drug trade operates. Like
prohibition the supporting criminal supply network is far worse than
the original problem. Everyone wanted to make drugs illegal to
protect their children but the kids are getting drugs anyway along
with the societal problems of the drug industry which have become
pervasive.

The war on drugs is unwinable.
The war on crime is unwinable.
The war on terrorism is unwinable.
Wars, the way we fight them, are unwinable.
Let's abandon those efforts.
We should also can all laws and the IRS code in favor of the ten
commandments. Then we won't need no steeenkin lawyers no more.


--
1-20-13 The end of an error

On 12/11/2011 2:56 PM, Drifter wrote:
On 12/11/2011 2:27 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 13:16:42 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 10:46:07 -0500,
wrote:

You seem to be extremely interested in getting Mary Jane legalized.
Do you have an appetite for the stuff?

The real reason a lot of us want to see this legalized is because the
war on drugs has become one of the worst examples of a bloated
government program that simply wastes tons of money and returns
nothing to the tax payer.
The blow back has resulted in some of the worst constitutional
assaults
(profiling,.warrentless car searches, warrantless aerial surveillance
with IR imagery, warrantless wire taps, financial monitoring and the
list goes on)

Most of the abuses in the patriot act have been SOP for the DEA for
years.

===

In addition to that, the "war on drugs" has become very much like
prohibition. The demand is there, the consumers are there, so a huge
illicit and illegal industry has sprung up to keep the market
supplied. Profits of this industry are artificially inflated
because of the illegality, and because of the huge profits, corruption
and crime run rampant everywhere the drug trade operates. Like
prohibition the supporting criminal supply network is far worse than
the original problem. Everyone wanted to make drugs illegal to
protect their children but the kids are getting drugs anyway along
with the societal problems of the drug industry which have become
pervasive.

The war on drugs is unwinable.
The war on crime is unwinable.
The war on terrorism is unwinable.
Wars, the way we fight them, are unwinable.
Let's abandon those efforts.
We should also can all laws and the IRS code in favor of the ten
commandments. Then we won't need no steeenkin lawyers no more.



So big mouth, tell me what's so bad about pot? What justifies keeping it
illegal beyond "because it is"?

On 12/11/11 3:50 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 12/11/2011 2:56 PM, Drifter wrote:
On 12/11/2011 2:27 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 13:16:42 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 10:46:07 -0500,
wrote:

You seem to be extremely interested in getting Mary Jane legalized.
Do you have an appetite for the stuff?

The real reason a lot of us want to see this legalized is because the
war on drugs has become one of the worst examples of a bloated
government program that simply wastes tons of money and returns
nothing to the tax payer.
The blow back has resulted in some of the worst constitutional
assaults
(profiling,.warrentless car searches, warrantless aerial surveillance
with IR imagery, warrantless wire taps, financial monitoring and the
list goes on)

Most of the abuses in the patriot act have been SOP for the DEA for
years.

===

In addition to that, the "war on drugs" has become very much like
prohibition. The demand is there, the consumers are there, so a huge
illicit and illegal industry has sprung up to keep the market
supplied. Profits of this industry are artificially inflated
because of the illegality, and because of the huge profits, corruption
and crime run rampant everywhere the drug trade operates. Like
prohibition the supporting criminal supply network is far worse than
the original problem. Everyone wanted to make drugs illegal to
protect their children but the kids are getting drugs anyway along
with the societal problems of the drug industry which have become
pervasive.

The war on drugs is unwinable.
The war on crime is unwinable.
The war on terrorism is unwinable.
Wars, the way we fight them, are unwinable.
Let's abandon those efforts.
We should also can all laws and the IRS code in favor of the ten
commandments. Then we won't need no steeenkin lawyers no more.



So big mouth, tell me what's so bad about pot? What justifies keeping it
illegal beyond "because it is"?


Drugs have made iSnotty the successful man he is today.