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On 24/11/2011 7:59 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:56:31 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:52:05 -0500, wrote:

you're ignoring the whole point to the difference between tax rates
and marginal tax rates. middle class tax rates are 28%. that is a
fact.

What is the effective tax rate? (What you actually pay)
I showed you it is 12% or less for a couple ,making $100,000.

the effective tax rate depends on ALOT of factors, many of which the
right wants to elmiinate for the middle class in favor of cutting
taxes for the wealthy.

aint no right winger talking about eliminating middle class taxes like
they are capital gains

Tax capital gains 2 things happen.

1) USA is less attractive for investing and less jobs.
2) Those that do invest will get double the gains to pay the taxes and
it will come from wages.

Either way, just screwing the middle class.

Tax greed isn't going to solve DCs problem but it is liable to make it a
whole lot worse.
--
All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment
they think rationally.

bpuharic

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 22:36:38 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 24/11/2011 7:59 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:56:31 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:52:05 -0500, wrote:

you're ignoring the whole point to the difference between tax rates
and marginal tax rates. middle class tax rates are 28%. that is a
fact.

What is the effective tax rate? (What you actually pay)
I showed you it is 12% or less for a couple ,making $100,000.

the effective tax rate depends on ALOT of factors, many of which the
right wants to elmiinate for the middle class in favor of cutting
taxes for the wealthy.

aint no right winger talking about eliminating middle class taxes like
they are capital gains

Tax capital gains 2 things happen.

1) USA is less attractive for investing and less jobs.

wrong. in fact, an argument for taxing capital gains is precisely to
drive finanical instruments overseas and quit subsidizing false
investments that have dstroyed our economy.

there is no proof that cutting capital gains leads to jobs. none. it's
right wing propaganda. bush cut capital gains from 29% to 15%

and this is the economy we got.

where are the jobs??

2) Those that do invest will get double the gains to pay the taxes and
it will come from wages.

wrong. if they're in a competiitive market for jobs OR if there are
unions, like in more advanced countries, then capital gains taxes will
come from stock holders

Either way, just screwing the middle class.

bull****. i just showed why you're wrong.

where are the jobs?

where are they??

Tax greed isn't going to solve DCs problem but it is liable to make it a
whole lot worse.

bpuharic

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:23:43 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 02:04:54 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

wrong. in fact, an argument for taxing capital gains is precisely to
drive finanical instruments overseas and quit subsidizing false
investments that have dstroyed our economy.

So you want to drive capital offshore?

yep. drive all collateralized default swaps offshore. let them do to
the chinese economy what they did to ours

Send US money to other countries to build up their industry?

HAHAHAHA

have you LOOKED at the chinese economy??

WE'RE ALREADY DOING THAT YOU MORON!!

christ you're as dumb as a bag of rocks

Who do you think provided the money that got Ford, Microsoft or Apple
going? It was stock holders.
You really are stupid.

you live in a rat hole, completely isolated from any information
except the vomit that faux news feeds you

Boating All Out

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:23:43 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 02:04:54 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

wrong. in fact, an argument for taxing capital gains is precisely to
drive finanical instruments overseas and quit subsidizing false
investments that have dstroyed our economy.

So you want to drive capital offshore?

yep. drive all collateralized default swaps offshore. let them do to
the chinese economy what they did to ours

Send US money to other countries to build up their industry?

HAHAHAHA

have you LOOKED at the chinese economy??

WE'RE ALREADY DOING THAT YOU MORON!!

christ you're as dumb as a bag of rocks

No. But he sure stepped into that one with a blindfold on.
Except for stockholders and those working on Wall Street -
an ever-decreasing class in the U.S. - capital used to build foreign
factories and businesses does nothing for U.S. unemployment.
In fact, it's detrimental to U.S. employment.
Wall Street should just wholesale relocate to China.
That way nobody will complain about it.
And it might very well happen.
Wouldn't bother me.

bpuharic

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:15:30 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:23:43 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 02:04:54 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

Send US money to other countries to build up their industry?

HAHAHAHA

have you LOOKED at the chinese economy??

WE'RE ALREADY DOING THAT YOU MORON!!

christ you're as dumb as a bag of rocks

No. But he sure stepped into that one with a blindfold on.
Except for stockholders and those working on Wall Street -
an ever-decreasing class in the U.S. - capital used to build foreign
factories and businesses does nothing for U.S. unemployment.
In fact, it's detrimental to U.S. employment.
Wall Street should just wholesale relocate to China.
That way nobody will complain about it.
And it might very well happen.
Wouldn't bother me.

you know i wouldnt mind how ****ing rich the rich got if we ALL got
richer AND we all had jobs. inequality is a natural result in a mature
developed economy

BUT the right worships inequality of OPPORTUNITY, and will work to
preserve the privileged regardless of the costs to the econoomy. they
just simply refuse to look at the evidence. he keeps bleating the same
failed arguments over and over...

bpuharic

On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 00:51:44 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 15:29:48 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:15:30 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

Wall Street should just wholesale relocate to China.
That way nobody will complain about it.
And it might very well happen.
Wouldn't bother me.

you know i wouldnt mind how ****ing rich the rich got if we ALL got
richer AND we all had jobs. inequality is a natural result in a mature
developed economy

BUT the right worships inequality of OPPORTUNITY, and will work to
preserve the privileged regardless of the costs to the econoomy. they
just simply refuse to look at the evidence. he keeps bleating the same
failed arguments over and over...

If you destroy all of the corporations, where will those jobs come
from? Who will bring your food to you, where will the energy come
from? How will you be able to bitch about your miserable life on the
internet without the companies who built the internet infrastructure?

you True Believers in the wall street cult are socialists. you insist
the middle class has to support and bankroll the rich while ensuring
the rich NEVER have to bear ANY burdens at all

when will you realize SOCIALISM DOES NOT WORK!! you socialists dont
get it.

NO ONE is talking about DESTROYING corporations. it's NATURAL for
corporations to fail but you SOCIALISTS insist that corporations be
unregulated and when they DO fail you INSIST they be bankrolled to
protect the rich

SOCIALISM DOES NOT WORK. YOU are a SOCIALIST.

only CAPITALISM works. and capitalism relies on EQUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR
ALL. you SOCIALISTS think only the rich should be protected.

John H[_2_]

On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 06:39:15 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 00:51:44 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 15:29:48 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:15:30 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

Wall Street should just wholesale relocate to China.
That way nobody will complain about it.
And it might very well happen.
Wouldn't bother me.

you know i wouldnt mind how ****ing rich the rich got if we ALL got
richer AND we all had jobs. inequality is a natural result in a mature
developed economy

BUT the right worships inequality of OPPORTUNITY, and will work to
preserve the privileged regardless of the costs to the econoomy. they
just simply refuse to look at the evidence. he keeps bleating the same
failed arguments over and over...

If you destroy all of the corporations, where will those jobs come
from? Who will bring your food to you, where will the energy come
from? How will you be able to bitch about your miserable life on the
internet without the companies who built the internet infrastructure?

you True Believers in the wall street cult are socialists. you insist
the middle class has to support and bankroll the rich while ensuring
the rich NEVER have to bear ANY burdens at all

when will you realize SOCIALISM DOES NOT WORK!! you socialists dont
get it.

NO ONE is talking about DESTROYING corporations. it's NATURAL for
corporations to fail but you SOCIALISTS insist that corporations be
unregulated and when they DO fail you INSIST they be bankrolled to
protect the rich

SOCIALISM DOES NOT WORK. YOU are a SOCIALIST.

only CAPITALISM works. and capitalism relies on EQUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR
ALL. you SOCIALISTS think only the rich should be protected.

****. I was really hoping to see the answer to Greg's question, "If you destroy all of the
corporations, where will those jobs come from?"

You could easily have said, "The government will provide the jobs once it owns the factories and the
farms."

But you didn't.

Now go back and try to ATFQ! (The 'Q' stands for 'Question'.)

X ` Man

On 11/26/11 12:51 AM, wrote:

If you destroy all of the corporations, where will those jobs come
from? Who will bring your food to you, where will the energy come
from? How will you be able to bitch about your miserable life on the
internet without the companies who built the internet infrastructure?

I'm unimpressed by what the corporate world has done for this country in
the last decade. And now that the Supreme Court has ruled that
corporations are people, it seems to me that corporations should be held
to the same standards as citizens, and that a case can be made that a
significant portion of corporation behavior is against the interests of
the country in which those corporations live and could and perhaps
should be considered treasonous.

As just one example, and there are many, corporations that export jobs
to find dirt-cheap labor and a low level of anti-pollution laws are
acting against the interests of this country.

iBoaterer[_2_]

In article ,
says...

On 11/26/11 12:51 AM, wrote:

If you destroy all of the corporations, where will those jobs come
from? Who will bring your food to you, where will the energy come
from? How will you be able to bitch about your miserable life on the
internet without the companies who built the internet infrastructure?

I'm unimpressed by what the corporate world has done for this country in
the last decade. And now that the Supreme Court has ruled that
corporations are people, it seems to me that corporations should be held
to the same standards as citizens, and that a case can be made that a
significant portion of corporation behavior is against the interests of
the country in which those corporations live and could and perhaps
should be considered treasonous.

As just one example, and there are many, corporations that export jobs
to find dirt-cheap labor and a low level of anti-pollution laws are
acting against the interests of this country.

You do realize that what corporations have done for this country is make
it one of the most prosperous in the world, don't you? I'm not agreeing
with their ways and means, but if not for large corporations, you'd have
no electricity unless you generated it yourself with a generator you
built from natural resources. You would have to walk or ride a horse
everywhere you went.

bpuharic

On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 10:38:39 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 08:06:49 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I agree there are a lot of corporations who are exporting jobs and
importing goods from slave wage countries but that gets back to NAFTA
and GATT.
Just like the real estate bubble, these corporations are doing exactly
what the government told them to do.

typical right wing nonsense. the govt does what corporations tell them
to

dont like environmental restrictions? get rid of the EPA

want to have a free hand with labor? destroy unions

the real estate bubble? create worthless financial instruments then
blame it on the middle class and mythological regulations

the right are such sheep

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