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Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 15:50:14 -0500, John H
wrote: On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:33:16 -0500, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:19:42 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 02:00:57 -0500, bpuharic wrote: gee that's a shame. no reason we should pay all the taxes while the capital gains folks pay zip, after what they did to this country What we did was provide capital to the job creators so guys like you can find work. I imagine your investments amount to the EE bond your grandmother gave you and a set of Obama inaugural collector plates. i keep asking the same question you keep ignoring the same question: if we gave these cuts to the job creators to create jobs where are the jobs??? How many people are working? I see people with jobs all around me. If our unemployment is 'only' 9%, or so, then our 'employment' must be 90% or so. That would imply that there are a lot of jobs out there. so let's see. for the right wing 1. we cut capital gains on the ricfh 2 unemployment DOUBLES to 14M not working 3 they conclude the rich getting richer CREATED jobs what the hell kind of math do they teach to right wingers?? he's too stupid to know 400,000 NEW people become unemployed every week. he's too stupid to know that we DOUBLED unemployment AFTER CUTTING TAXES ON THE RICH and to conservatives they have it all figured out. |
Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
On 25/11/2011 12:02 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 22:43:32 -0700, wrote: On 24/11/2011 9:32 PM, wrote: On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:59:37 -0500, wrote: Some of us actually invested our money and like lower capital gains taxes. But taxes on gains is a wealth tax. and taxes on income is a tax on labor. captial gains should be taxed at least as regular income. there's no reason those who destroyed this economy should be rewarded for it Why do you think this investor is un-investing in USA? USA is a liberal-socialist state of corruption. Everyone who hangs around is going to lose. I didn't need to hang around. Might **** you fleabaggers off, but not having the right to vote also means I can move away from disaster. I value my economic freedom. Voting is a ruse anyway, as the ponies are always back room boys and people vote like sheep. Funny, the big reduction in USDs was in 2004, I got a 30% premium on exchange for that move. Plus what I invested it in doubled. But if I stayed in the USA I would have missed these opportunities. And before you pounce on me for 2004 being Bush, I could see a democrat flush coming in 2006 congress, a money print for currency fraud, a ruse. You could see the public entitlement and envy, the greed...and that means it is time to leave. 0bama is the symptom and epitome of what is wrong with America. Looks like 0bama has ****ed off the Chinese and North Koreans too, just to add to Russia, Iran, Syria and others. And without allies, guess 0bama is looking for WW III to take peoples mind off of American government corruption. -- All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment they think rationally. |
Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
On 25/11/2011 12:19 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 02:00:57 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 23:32:14 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:59:37 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:56:31 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:52:05 -0500, wrote: you're ignoring the whole point to the difference between tax rates and marginal tax rates. middle class tax rates are 28%. that is a fact. What is the effective tax rate? (What you actually pay) I showed you it is 12% or less for a couple ,making $100,000. the effective tax rate depends on ALOT of factors, many of which the right wants to elmiinate for the middle class in favor of cutting taxes for the wealthy. aint no right winger talking about eliminating middle class taxes like they are capital gains Some of us actually invested our money and like lower capital gains taxes. gee that's a shame. no reason we should pay all the taxes while the capital gains folks pay zip, after what they did to this country What we did was provide capital to the job creators so guys like you can find work. I imagine your investments amount to the EE bond your grandmother gave you and a set of Obama inaugural collector plates. No big, if they tax gains more, investors will pay even less to employees as more is needed for the investor to get a return. And for some, there is no leeway, they just will not invest. Then the liberal-socialists can claim the problem they created is worse and propel even more nonsense to fix it. That is how liberal-socialism is, cause the problem and get bigger trying to fix it. -- All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment they think rationally. |
Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
On 25/11/2011 12:38 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:33:42 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 02:13:56 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 23:45:4 The fact is the top 5% pay 40% of the taxes. you're so full of right wing bull**** i can smell it in PA No, Philadelphia always smells like that. ;-) Perhaps you would believe the IRS web site ... but I doubt it. You can go here and crunch the numbers yourself http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/09in12ms.xls you can go here, to the congressional budget office report: http://www.federalreserve.gov/pubs/f.../201117pap.pdf and find that between 1979 and 2007 the income of the richest 1% grew by TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY FIVE percent did their taxes go up that much? nope. in fact they went DOWN Since there was no change in the tax law between 2007 and 2009, how do you explain that. it's YOUR contention cutting capital gains taxes creates jobs we DID cut capital gains by 50% during bush's term WHERE ARE THE JOBS?? you IGNORE this question. you keep BLEATING that bankrupting the middle class by giving ALL our money to the rich will create jobs OK. we did that WHERE ARE THE JOBS??? BTW why make a statement that is not supported by the link you post. Do you think I won't read it and take your 275% numbers at face value i gave you the link to the CBO study. can't help it if faux news keeps feeding you ****. the very fact you keep bleating WRONG information tells us about the bull**** kool aid you drink from the True Believer fountain at wall street Your article seems to make it sound like Wall Street INVESTORS took the worst hit. "house prices declined 17 percent and the Wilshire 5000 index of publicly traded equities fell 39 percent." Yet you think it is all gravy for us. gee. middle class unemployment DOUBLED AND we BAILED YOU OUT NOW you want MORE money to continue to destroy our country how ****ing GREEDY can you get? Even if you believe your bull****....ask yourself then why 0bama signed the $6 trillion in checks? Sold you out? Treating you like a dumb**** sheep? Laughing at your gullibility and stupidity? -- All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment they think rationally. |
Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:24:10 -0700, Canuck57
wrote: On 25/11/2011 12:02 AM, bpuharic wrote: On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 22:43:32 -0700, wrote: On 24/11/2011 9:32 PM, wrote: On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:59:37 -0500, wrote: Some of us actually invested our money and like lower capital gains taxes. But taxes on gains is a wealth tax. and taxes on income is a tax on labor. captial gains should be taxed at least as regular income. there's no reason those who destroyed this economy should be rewarded for it Why do you think this investor is un-investing in USA? USA is a liberal-socialist state of corruption. Everyone who hangs around is going to lose. I didn't need to hang around. HAHAHAHA he lives in a state with socialized medicine and 30% UNIONS and he calls the US a socialsit state!! ROFLMAO! Might **** you fleabaggers off, but not having the right to vote also means I can move away from disaster. I value my economic freedom. says the guy who has the advantage of national health care Looks like 0bama has ****ed off the Chinese and North Koreans too, just to add to Russia, Iran, Syria and others. And without allies, guess 0bama is looking for WW III to take peoples mind off of American government corruption. gee. your grandmother could **** off the n. koreans you moron you really are a ****ing lunatic |
Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:27:31 -0700, Canuck57
wrote: On 25/11/2011 12:19 PM, wrote: On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 02:00:57 -0500, wrote: Some of us actually invested our money and like lower capital gains taxes. gee that's a shame. no reason we should pay all the taxes while the capital gains folks pay zip, after what they did to this country What we did was provide capital to the job creators so guys like you can find work. I imagine your investments amount to the EE bond your grandmother gave you and a set of Obama inaugural collector plates. No big, if they tax gains more, investors will pay even less to employees as more is needed for the investor to get a return. proof?? oh. none. none at all. we cut capital gains for the wealthy under bush and middle class income went DOWN cancuk is an economic basket case And for some, there is no leeway, they just will not invest. Then the liberal-socialists can claim the problem they created is worse and propel even more nonsense to fix it. That is how liberal-socialism is, cause the problem and get bigger trying to fix it. says the guy who lives his life believing fairy tales as a True Believer in the wall street cult |
Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:33:42 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 02:13:56 -0500, bpuharic wrote: On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 23:45:47 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 22:02:05 -0500, bpuharic wrote: Perhaps you would believe the IRS web site ... but I doubt it. You can go here and crunch the numbers yourself http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/09in12ms.xls you can go here, to the congressional budget office report: http://www.federalreserve.gov/pubs/f.../201117pap.pdf and find that between 1979 and 2007 the income of the richest 1% grew by TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY FIVE percent did their taxes go up that much? nope. in fact they went DOWN Since there was no change in the tax law between 2007 and 2009, how do you explain that. BTW why make a statement that is not supported by the link you post. Do you think I won't read it and take your 275% numbers at face value Your article seems to make it sound like Wall Street INVESTORS took the worst hit. "house prices declined 17 percent and the Wilshire 5000 index of publicly traded equities fell 39 percent." Yet you think it is all gravy for us. IOW you didnt read the CBO link i sent no wonder. it's not faux news so you dont believe it |
Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
On 11/25/11 7:14 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:24:10 -0700, wrote: On 25/11/2011 12:02 AM, bpuharic wrote: On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 22:43:32 -0700, wrote: On 24/11/2011 9:32 PM, wrote: On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:59:37 -0500, wrote: Some of us actually invested our money and like lower capital gains taxes. But taxes on gains is a wealth tax. and taxes on income is a tax on labor. captial gains should be taxed at least as regular income. there's no reason those who destroyed this economy should be rewarded for it Why do you think this investor is un-investing in USA? USA is a liberal-socialist state of corruption. Everyone who hangs around is going to lose. I didn't need to hang around. HAHAHAHA he lives in a state with socialized medicine and 30% UNIONS and he calls the US a socialsit state!! ROFLMAO! Might **** you fleabaggers off, but not having the right to vote also means I can move away from disaster. I value my economic freedom. says the guy who has the advantage of national health care Looks like 0bama has ****ed off the Chinese and North Koreans too, just to add to Russia, Iran, Syria and others. And without allies, guess 0bama is looking for WW III to take peoples mind off of American government corruption. gee. your grandmother could **** off the n. koreans you moron you really are a ****ing lunatic Canuckles is happiest sucking down the benefits other taxpayers pay for. He's a true modern conservative. -- http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/8272ug |
Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:29:41 -0700, Canuck57
wrote: On 25/11/2011 12:38 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:33:42 -0500, wrote: AND we BAILED YOU OUT NOW you want MORE money to continue to destroy our country how ****ing GREEDY can you get? Even if you believe your bull****....ask yourself then why 0bama signed the $6 trillion in checks? Sold you out? Treating you like a dumb**** sheep? Laughing at your gullibility and stupidity? ever hear of too big to fail oh. you didn't. i forgot. you're cosnervative and therefore illiterate |
Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
On 25/11/2011 5:16 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 11/25/11 7:14 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:24:10 -0700, wrote: On 25/11/2011 12:02 AM, bpuharic wrote: On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 22:43:32 -0700, wrote: On 24/11/2011 9:32 PM, wrote: On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:59:37 -0500, wrote: Some of us actually invested our money and like lower capital gains taxes. But taxes on gains is a wealth tax. and taxes on income is a tax on labor. captial gains should be taxed at least as regular income. there's no reason those who destroyed this economy should be rewarded for it Why do you think this investor is un-investing in USA? USA is a liberal-socialist state of corruption. Everyone who hangs around is going to lose. I didn't need to hang around. HAHAHAHA he lives in a state with socialized medicine and 30% UNIONS and he calls the US a socialsit state!! ROFLMAO! Might **** you fleabaggers off, but not having the right to vote also means I can move away from disaster. I value my economic freedom. says the guy who has the advantage of national health care Looks like 0bama has ****ed off the Chinese and North Koreans too, just to add to Russia, Iran, Syria and others. And without allies, guess 0bama is looking for WW III to take peoples mind off of American government corruption. gee. your grandmother could **** off the n. koreans you moron you really are a ****ing lunatic Canuckles is happiest sucking down the benefits other taxpayers pay for. He's a true modern conservative. Funny how you always follow bpuharic around like you're up his butt. -- All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment they think rationally. |
Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
On 25/11/2011 5:17 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:29:41 -0700, wrote: On 25/11/2011 12:38 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:33:42 -0500, wrote: AND we BAILED YOU OUT NOW you want MORE money to continue to destroy our country how ****ing GREEDY can you get? Even if you believe your bull****....ask yourself then why 0bama signed the $6 trillion in checks? Sold you out? Treating you like a dumb**** sheep? Laughing at your gullibility and stupidity? ever hear of too big to fail oh. you didn't. i forgot. you're cosnervative and therefore illiterate Yep, and the first thing that comes to mind is the USA government. Too big and corrupt to save. -- All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment they think rationally. |
Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 17:19:20 -0700, Canuck57
wrote: On 25/11/2011 5:16 PM, X ` Man wrote: On 11/25/11 7:14 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:24:10 -0700, wrote: On 25/11/2011 12:02 AM, bpuharic wrote: On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 22:43:32 -0700, wrote: On 24/11/2011 9:32 PM, wrote: On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:59:37 -0500, wrote: Some of us actually invested our money and like lower capital gains taxes. But taxes on gains is a wealth tax. and taxes on income is a tax on labor. captial gains should be taxed at least as regular income. there's no reason those who destroyed this economy should be rewarded for it Why do you think this investor is un-investing in USA? USA is a liberal-socialist state of corruption. Everyone who hangs around is going to lose. I didn't need to hang around. HAHAHAHA he lives in a state with socialized medicine and 30% UNIONS and he calls the US a socialsit state!! ROFLMAO! Might **** you fleabaggers off, but not having the right to vote also means I can move away from disaster. I value my economic freedom. says the guy who has the advantage of national health care Looks like 0bama has ****ed off the Chinese and North Koreans too, just to add to Russia, Iran, Syria and others. And without allies, guess 0bama is looking for WW III to take peoples mind off of American government corruption. gee. your grandmother could **** off the n. koreans you moron you really are a ****ing lunatic Canuckles is happiest sucking down the benefits other taxpayers pay for. He's a true modern conservative. Funny how you always follow bpuharic around like you're up his butt. says the guy who believes in socialism for himself but n ot for anyone else |
Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 17:20:39 -0700, Canuck57
wrote: On 25/11/2011 5:17 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:29:41 -0700, wrote: On 25/11/2011 12:38 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:33:42 -0500, wrote: AND we BAILED YOU OUT NOW you want MORE money to continue to destroy our country how ****ing GREEDY can you get? Even if you believe your bull****....ask yourself then why 0bama signed the $6 trillion in checks? Sold you out? Treating you like a dumb**** sheep? Laughing at your gullibility and stupidity? ever hear of too big to fail oh. you didn't. i forgot. you're cosnervative and therefore illiterate Yep, and the first thing that comes to mind is the USA government. Too big and corrupt to save. gee. any govts that arent? you're a cliche factory |
Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
On 11/25/2011 7:20 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 25/11/2011 5:17 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:29:41 -0700, wrote: On 25/11/2011 12:38 PM, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:33:42 -0500, wrote: AND we BAILED YOU OUT NOW you want MORE money to continue to destroy our country how ****ing GREEDY can you get? Even if you believe your bull****....ask yourself then why 0bama signed the $6 trillion in checks? Sold you out? Treating you like a dumb**** sheep? Laughing at your gullibility and stupidity? ever hear of too big to fail oh. you didn't. i forgot. you're cosnervative and therefore illiterate Yep, and the first thing that comes to mind is the USA government. Too big and corrupt to save. Wow, you still playing with this mouth breather? |
Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 00:36:31 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:33:16 -0500, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:19:42 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 02:00:57 -0500, bpuharic wrote: gee that's a shame. no reason we should pay all the taxes while the capital gains folks pay zip, after what they did to this country What we did was provide capital to the job creators so guys like you can find work. I imagine your investments amount to the EE bond your grandmother gave you and a set of Obama inaugural collector plates. i keep asking the same question you keep ignoring the same question: if we gave these cuts to the job creators to create jobs where are the jobs??? 85% of the people HAVE jobs. HAHHAHAHAH so if we cut tax rate to zero and 10% of people have jobs that'll be a BIGGER success HAHAHAHAHA!!! right wing logic is wonderful!! proof of success in creating jobs is when you lose jobs!!! Using the same language Obama uses about the $700b stimulus, "imagine how bad it would be if we didn't do it" BTW what is Obama's jobs plan? Tax cuts. tax cuts for the MIDDLE CLASS you're quite stupid, being a right winger, so dont understand why cutting taxes for the MIDDLE CLASS is GOOD while cutting them for the RICH iS USELESS MORON!! |
Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
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Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 00:42:14 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:34:56 -0500, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:23:43 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 02:04:54 -0500, bpuharic wrote: wrong. in fact, an argument for taxing capital gains is precisely to drive finanical instruments overseas and quit subsidizing false investments that have dstroyed our economy. So you want to drive capital offshore? yep. drive all collateralized default swaps offshore. let them do to the chinese economy what they did to ours It just shows how little you know. Credit Default Swaps are not long term capital gains. correct. they are financial instruments invented by corrupt True Believers in the wall street cult...like you...to defraud and debase the economy of a country. something you socialists for the rich support. SOME financial instruments are BETTER in china than they are here. and there is NO PROOF taxing the rich destroys jobs. NONE. Send US money to other countries to build up their industry? HAHAHAHA have you LOOKED at the chinese economy?? WE'RE ALREADY DOING THAT YOU MORON!! We do not buy many stocks in Chinese companies, most are government owned, not publicity held. I guess that is what you want for the US. says the socialist who insists the middle class support the rich. Who do you think provided the money that got Ford, Microsoft or Apple going? It was stock holders. You really are stupid. you live in a rat hole, completely isolated from any information except the vomit that faux news feeds you Where did these companies get their startup capital? how many manufacturing jobs does apple have in the US vs china? have you looked at the numbers? oh. you havent. and where's the proof cutting taxes on the rich creates jobs here? we DID cut taxes how we doing? we at full employment? oh. you're right wing. you dont do numbers. you have your theology |
Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 00:47:23 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:38:13 -0500, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:33:42 -0500, wrote: you can go here, to the congressional budget office report: http://www.federalreserve.gov/pubs/f.../201117pap.pdf and find that between 1979 and 2007 the income of the richest 1% grew by TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY FIVE percent did their taxes go up that much? nope. in fact they went DOWN Since there was no change in the tax law between 2007 and 2009, how do you explain that. it's YOUR contention cutting capital gains taxes creates jobs we DID cut capital gains by 50% during bush's term WHERE ARE THE JOBS?? The cut the tax in 2001 and the job,ess rate dropped to about 5% by 2006. In the construction trades it was closer to 1% oh. so the rich created a bubble to sell financial instruments like CDS's and we LOST ALL THE JOBS created in the last 10 years so proof of your assertion is that we LOST jobs but that proves we GAINED jobs?? WHERE ARE THE JOBS?? have you LOOKED at unemployment? This is actually the first time you brought this up, changing the subject again.. hardly. because it's right wing theology that cutting taxes on the rich creates jobs YOU just showed it creates a bubble which DESTROYS jobs THEN you call this a SUCCESS. is there ANYTHING you would call a failure?? the EVIDENCE shows cutting taxes does NOT create jobs. you yourself show this because your analysis stops at 2006. so tell me right winger, how we doing TODAY after cutting taxes on the rich?? we LOST ALL THE JOBS created in the last DECADE AFTER we cut taxes on the rich. to right wingers that's a SUCCESS!! HAHAHAHAH you IGNORE this question. you keep BLEATING that bankrupting the middle class by giving ALL our money to the rich will create jobs OK. we did that WHERE ARE THE JOBS??? BTW why make a statement that is not supported by the link you post. Do you think I won't read it and take your 275% numbers at face value i gave you the link to the CBO study. can't help it if faux news keeps feeding you ****. That 275% number was not in that article, did you read it? aw gee. wrong link. here you go. here's the GOVERNMENT SITE WITH A CHART...make it easier for you right whiner? http://cbo.gov/ftpdocs/124xx/doc1248...holdIncome.pdf gee. what does this show? THE WEALTHIEST BLEW OUT THE ECONOMY BECAUSE THEY TOOK ALL THE MONEY the richest 1% had an income growth of about 9% PER YEAR while normal people had about 1.5% per year. NOW you want MORE money to continue to destroy our country how ****ing GREEDY can you get? OK have it your way Keep sending me the money, you are my bitch. gee. that's the same thing marie antoinette said how'd that work out for her? |
Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
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says... On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:15:30 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:23:43 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 02:04:54 -0500, bpuharic wrote: wrong. in fact, an argument for taxing capital gains is precisely to drive finanical instruments overseas and quit subsidizing false investments that have dstroyed our economy. So you want to drive capital offshore? yep. drive all collateralized default swaps offshore. let them do to the chinese economy what they did to ours Send US money to other countries to build up their industry? HAHAHAHA have you LOOKED at the chinese economy?? WE'RE ALREADY DOING THAT YOU MORON!! christ you're as dumb as a bag of rocks No. But he sure stepped into that one with a blindfold on. Except for stockholders and those working on Wall Street - an ever-decreasing class in the U.S. - capital used to build foreign factories and businesses does nothing for U.S. unemployment. In fact, it's detrimental to U.S. employment. Wall Street should just wholesale relocate to China. That way nobody will complain about it. And it might very well happen. Wouldn't bother me. So you don't invest either? I hope you folks like cat food. No, and I have no money worries. Of course some people always want to live high on the hog. Never did myself. Everybody can measure comfort as they see fit. I do understand that maintaining the "acceptable" level becomes important once achieved. It's easy to fear change, even to something that was perfectly acceptable in the past. Maintaining my "required" standard of living has nothing to do with "investments." And isn't very important either. That gives me a lot of "freedom." The "investor class" is becoming an increasingly small segment. Traditional pension plans are dying out, and I'm guessing that 401k participation/contributions are way down. Don't know the figures, but I suspect a very large percentage of equities is held by public worker pension funds. You know, the "socialists." At least in 1929 "investors" had the decency to jump from high windows. Now they whine for government bailouts. And get them. As a so-called "investor" living off the labor of others, you shouldn't complain about the likes of Geithner, Summers, Bernacke, et al. They provide your socialism, and allow you to think you are a "wise investor," making the "free enterprise" system strong. Just letting the interest rate loose would cause a massive exodus from equities, which are as volatile as they ever have been. As if any "dummy" couldn't pump some money into an equity fund for the past 20 years and see the government work with Wall Street to make them "wise investments." I know many who have done that. Mostly high salaried. They can say "income averaging," and so think they are geniuses. That's just a general comment, and not aimed at you. The U.S. Government has every 401k penny accounted for. Since you're a fan of gov stats, see if you can find those numbers. You can't. Because they would detrimentally affect the stock market. And the U.S. Government doesn't want the stock market affected. Not that way. So much for "free enterprise." It might all be coming apart now. That's why there's a tea party and OWS. The center can not hold. But the tea party has been co-opted by the business wing of the R party. Should be interesting times coming up. Especially if the tea party elected jokers try to take the tea party's Medicare and SS from them. Then the **** will hit the fan. Seems the "down-trodden" and even wealthy folks like Bob are recognizing a tremendous generational Ponzi scheme. Boomers like you and me got "wealthy" with big salaries from corporations that gave us huge pensions to shut us up and keep unions away. All made possible by an inflated stock market. Big salaries coupled with 401k's and ESOP's made that inflation possible. One hand washing the other. Then about the time we got out of the picture the corporations decided to off-shore the jobs. Timing was coincidental due to opening world markets. Some boomers got caught too, losing their job while over-extended. Not much gravy left for the younger generations now. Don't think they like that. Boomers who got caught short don't like it either. Especially those without big salaries and fat pension plans. Me, I'm fine. Don't understand what all the complaining is about :- But I do wonder why I just heard that Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore are worth $270 million. Seems like a whole lot of money, doesn't it? Never watched either of them. But I bet they got some of my money. Them, and many more who have no connection to me at all, but somehow get a piece of my wages. That's another thing many people don't like. That's why you hear all this talk about "wealth disparity. Bob is making a good buck. He's in the top 5%. Looks like he's willing to pay more taxes if it makes things better for for those who work as hard and get paid much less. Just a guess, but hard to tell. Oh well. |
Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
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Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 06:39:15 -0500, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 00:51:44 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 15:29:48 -0500, bpuharic wrote: On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:15:30 -0600, Boating All Out wrote: Wall Street should just wholesale relocate to China. That way nobody will complain about it. And it might very well happen. Wouldn't bother me. you know i wouldnt mind how ****ing rich the rich got if we ALL got richer AND we all had jobs. inequality is a natural result in a mature developed economy BUT the right worships inequality of OPPORTUNITY, and will work to preserve the privileged regardless of the costs to the econoomy. they just simply refuse to look at the evidence. he keeps bleating the same failed arguments over and over... If you destroy all of the corporations, where will those jobs come from? Who will bring your food to you, where will the energy come from? How will you be able to bitch about your miserable life on the internet without the companies who built the internet infrastructure? you True Believers in the wall street cult are socialists. you insist the middle class has to support and bankroll the rich while ensuring the rich NEVER have to bear ANY burdens at all when will you realize SOCIALISM DOES NOT WORK!! you socialists dont get it. NO ONE is talking about DESTROYING corporations. it's NATURAL for corporations to fail but you SOCIALISTS insist that corporations be unregulated and when they DO fail you INSIST they be bankrolled to protect the rich SOCIALISM DOES NOT WORK. YOU are a SOCIALIST. only CAPITALISM works. and capitalism relies on EQUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL. you SOCIALISTS think only the rich should be protected. ****. I was really hoping to see the answer to Greg's question, "If you destroy all of the corporations, where will those jobs come from?" You could easily have said, "The government will provide the jobs once it owns the factories and the farms." But you didn't. Now go back and try to ATFQ! (The 'Q' stands for 'Question'.) |
Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
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says... On 11/26/11 12:51 AM, wrote: If you destroy all of the corporations, where will those jobs come from? Who will bring your food to you, where will the energy come from? How will you be able to bitch about your miserable life on the internet without the companies who built the internet infrastructure? I'm unimpressed by what the corporate world has done for this country in the last decade. And now that the Supreme Court has ruled that corporations are people, it seems to me that corporations should be held to the same standards as citizens, and that a case can be made that a significant portion of corporation behavior is against the interests of the country in which those corporations live and could and perhaps should be considered treasonous. As just one example, and there are many, corporations that export jobs to find dirt-cheap labor and a low level of anti-pollution laws are acting against the interests of this country. You do realize that what corporations have done for this country is make it one of the most prosperous in the world, don't you? I'm not agreeing with their ways and means, but if not for large corporations, you'd have no electricity unless you generated it yourself with a generator you built from natural resources. You would have to walk or ride a horse everywhere you went. |
Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 08:21:59 -0500, John H
wrote: On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 06:39:15 -0500, bpuharic wrote: SOCIALISM DOES NOT WORK. YOU are a SOCIALIST. only CAPITALISM works. and capitalism relies on EQUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL. you SOCIALISTS think only the rich should be protected. ****. I was really hoping to see the answer to Greg's question, "If you destroy all of the corporations, where will those jobs come from?" let's see...under corporate socialism that you guys push corporations are sitting on record profits how's that working out for the middle class? how's unemployment? you socialists destroyed jobs how many jobs did that create? you guys are so stupid you cant even see the contradictions in your own arguments. You could easily have said, "The government will provide the jobs once it owns the factories and the farms." But you didn't. you could have said corporations would create jobs when they make record profits AND get low taxes oh...wait...we DID give corporations EXACTLY that uh...how's the job situation?? Now go back and try to ATFQ! (The 'Q' stands for 'Question'.) |
Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 08:35:36 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , says... On 11/26/11 12:51 AM, wrote: If you destroy all of the corporations, where will those jobs come from? Who will bring your food to you, where will the energy come from? How will you be able to bitch about your miserable life on the internet without the companies who built the internet infrastructure? I'm unimpressed by what the corporate world has done for this country in the last decade. And now that the Supreme Court has ruled that corporations are people, it seems to me that corporations should be held to the same standards as citizens, and that a case can be made that a significant portion of corporation behavior is against the interests of the country in which those corporations live and could and perhaps should be considered treasonous. As just one example, and there are many, corporations that export jobs to find dirt-cheap labor and a low level of anti-pollution laws are acting against the interests of this country. You do realize that what corporations have done for this country is make it one of the most prosperous in the world, don't you? I'm not agreeing with their ways and means, but if not for large corporations, you'd have no electricity unless you generated it yourself with a generator you built from natural resources. You would have to walk or ride a horse everywhere you went. you do realize that middle class incomes have gone nowhere in the past 30 years while the wealthiest 1% have had a 275% income increase, right? that corporate profits are at record highs...while unemployment is as well, right? you True Believers in the wall street cult are amazing. you, with your socialist economics, are turning the US into a 3rd world country. we need REGULATED financial markets...something the right will not permit. so we gave you corporate socialists everything you wanted high corporate profits no unions unregulated financial markets and how'd that work out for america?? |
Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 07:01:36 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote: But I bet they got some of my money. Them, and many more who have no connection to me at all, but somehow get a piece of my wages. That's another thing many people don't like. That's why you hear all this talk about "wealth disparity. Bob is making a good buck. He's in the top 5%. nope. 25%. upper middle class Looks like he's willing to pay more taxes if it makes things better for for those who work as hard and get paid much less. yep. and i'm unwilling to pay higher taxes to support the wealthy who created this mess and insist i bail them out simply because they are rich the 'new yorker' a few years ago had a great article on how angry the wealthy are that people dont understand that they DESERVE to be rich. i'm tired of the american version of socialism where we socialize the risk and privatize the reward |
Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 08:43:30 -0500, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 08:21:59 -0500, John H wrote: On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 06:39:15 -0500, bpuharic wrote: SOCIALISM DOES NOT WORK. YOU are a SOCIALIST. only CAPITALISM works. and capitalism relies on EQUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL. you SOCIALISTS think only the rich should be protected. ****. I was really hoping to see the answer to Greg's question, "If you destroy all of the corporations, where will those jobs come from?" let's see...under corporate socialism that you guys push corporations are sitting on record profits how's that working out for the middle class? how's unemployment? you socialists destroyed jobs how many jobs did that create? you guys are so stupid you cant even see the contradictions in your own arguments. You could easily have said, "The government will provide the jobs once it owns the factories and the farms." But you didn't. you could have said corporations would create jobs when they make record profits AND get low taxes oh...wait...we DID give corporations EXACTLY that uh...how's the job situation?? Now go back and try to ATFQ! (The 'Q' stands for 'Question'.) Uh, how many people have jobs? Some entity must be providing them. Are all the workers in this country *really* working for the government? BTW, you still didn't answer Greg's question. Is it too difficult for you? "If you destroy all of the corporations, where will those jobs come from?" |
Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
On 11/26/11 8:46 AM, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 08:35:36 -0500, wrote: In , says... On 11/26/11 12:51 AM, wrote: If you destroy all of the corporations, where will those jobs come from? Who will bring your food to you, where will the energy come from? How will you be able to bitch about your miserable life on the internet without the companies who built the internet infrastructure? I'm unimpressed by what the corporate world has done for this country in the last decade. And now that the Supreme Court has ruled that corporations are people, it seems to me that corporations should be held to the same standards as citizens, and that a case can be made that a significant portion of corporation behavior is against the interests of the country in which those corporations live and could and perhaps should be considered treasonous. As just one example, and there are many, corporations that export jobs to find dirt-cheap labor and a low level of anti-pollution laws are acting against the interests of this country. You do realize that what corporations have done for this country is make it one of the most prosperous in the world, don't you? I'm not agreeing with their ways and means, but if not for large corporations, you'd have no electricity unless you generated it yourself with a generator you built from natural resources. You would have to walk or ride a horse everywhere you went. you do realize that middle class incomes have gone nowhere in the past 30 years while the wealthiest 1% have had a 275% income increase, right? that corporate profits are at record highs...while unemployment is as well, right? you True Believers in the wall street cult are amazing. you, with your socialist economics, are turning the US into a 3rd world country. we need REGULATED financial markets...something the right will not permit. so we gave you corporate socialists everything you wanted high corporate profits no unions unregulated financial markets and how'd that work out for america?? In case you were not aware, "iboaterer" is a 14-year-old boy using his mommy's computer. He's not worth any responses. -- http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/8272ug |
Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
On 11/20/11 1:58 PM, California Rocket Scientist wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 12:41:14 -0800 (PST), TopBassDog wrote: Pay attention Herr Krause; you too JIPS- I know the odds are against it, but there remains hope that you both may learn something. http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/was...ng-big-in-2012 We need to face it, we're a nation that claims to be fiscally conservative, yet we never tire of goofy wars to name just one bizarre contradiction. Then when we see the bill we look to elect somebody new no matter what crazy claims he makes as long as he doesn't mention our previous assinine decisons, or criticize us for making them. The latest crazy claims are that the applicants can make up for the 5 trillion cost of the middle east fiasco by cutting taxes further and getting rid of the EPA, unions, etc. Who'd be dumb enough to believe that except for maybe 51% of the voters? So Cook could be right. God help us. DumbAssDog still posts here, trying to get a rise out of me? I guess there is a class of dumfochs who cannot give up. The only GOP frontrunner who has a chance against Obama is Romney, and it's not clear year he'll get the chance. And even if he does, he has more flies on him than a honeywagon at a teabagger rally. The rest of the "leaders" in the GOP field couldn't get elected national dog catcher. There's nothing in that group but wackos. -- http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/8272ug |
Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
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Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 08:50:39 -0500, John H
wrote: On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 08:43:30 -0500, bpuharic wrote: On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 08:21:59 -0500, John H wrote: you could have said corporations would create jobs when they make record profits AND get low taxes oh...wait...we DID give corporations EXACTLY that uh...how's the job situation?? Now go back and try to ATFQ! (The 'Q' stands for 'Question'.) Uh, how many people have jobs? Some entity must be providing them. Are all the workers in this country *really* working for the government? uh...how many jobs were created by the tax cut for the rich? oh. MINUS 10 million to the right wing a NEGATIVE number is positive if it affects the middle class BTW, you still didn't answer Greg's question. Is it too difficult for you? "If you destroy all of the corporations, where will those jobs come from?" you socialists destroy corporations we capitalists create them and you might want to read what a CONSERVATIVE NOBEL PRIZE WINNER says: http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/index.html The rich bankers and others who took large risks should have taken much larger haircuts. I have also supported from the beginning of the recession higher capital requirements for banks, especially for the large “too big to fail banks” that will be bailed out if they get into financial difficulties. gary becker is a nobel prize winning CONSERVATIVE economist he's concerned about inequality he's concerned that the financial sector has consumed HUGE resources with little return he's concerned that there are too few regulations on large banks he's CONSERVATIVE i'm a LIBERAL and i have the same concerns you right wing socialists dont care. |
Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 09:00:27 -0500, X ` Man
wrote: On 11/26/11 8:46 AM, bpuharic wrote: On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 08:35:36 -0500, wrote: so we gave you corporate socialists everything you wanted high corporate profits no unions unregulated financial markets and how'd that work out for america?? In case you were not aware, "iboaterer" is a 14-year-old boy using his mommy's computer. He's not worth any responses. right wingers are absolutely clueless. it's ironice that CONSERVATIVE economists like gary becker are worried about these issues as well..the right wing just wants the middle class to sweep them under the rug |
Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 09:49:05 -0500, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 08:43:30 -0500, bpuharic wrote: Now go back and try to ATFQ! (The 'Q' stands for 'Question'.) Uh, how many people have jobs? Some entity must be providing them. Are all the workers in this country *really* working for the government? BTW, you still didn't answer Greg's question. Is it too difficult for you? "If you destroy all of the corporations, where will those jobs come from?" Daddy government of course. corporations ARE the govt we are taxed to bail them out. but the right wing is fine with that.... |
Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
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Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
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Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
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Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
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Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 09:50:24 -0500, bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 08:50:39 -0500, John H wrote: On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 08:43:30 -0500, bpuharic wrote: On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 08:21:59 -0500, John H wrote: you could have said corporations would create jobs when they make record profits AND get low taxes oh...wait...we DID give corporations EXACTLY that uh...how's the job situation?? Now go back and try to ATFQ! (The 'Q' stands for 'Question'.) Uh, how many people have jobs? Some entity must be providing them. Are all the workers in this country *really* working for the government? uh...how many jobs were created by the tax cut for the rich? oh. MINUS 10 million to the right wing a NEGATIVE number is positive if it affects the middle class BTW, you still didn't answer Greg's question. Is it too difficult for you? "If you destroy all of the corporations, where will those jobs come from?" you socialists destroy corporations we capitalists create them and you might want to read what a CONSERVATIVE NOBEL PRIZE WINNER says: http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/index.html The rich bankers and others who took large risks should have taken much larger haircuts. I have also supported from the beginning of the recession higher capital requirements for banks, especially for the large “too big to fail banks” that will be bailed out if they get into financial difficulties. gary becker is a nobel prize winning CONSERVATIVE economist he's concerned about inequality he's concerned that the financial sector has consumed HUGE resources with little return he's concerned that there are too few regulations on large banks he's CONSERVATIVE i'm a LIBERAL and i have the same concerns you right wing socialists dont care. You spread a lot of bull****, but you've still got two questions you're unable to answer. 1. Uh, how many people have jobs? 2."If you destroy all of the corporations, where will those jobs come from?" |
Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 13:38:25 -0500, wrote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 12:18:00 -0500, bpuharic wrote: On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 10:50:45 -0500, wrote: On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 09:50:24 -0500, bpuharic wrote: you socialists destroy corporations we capitalists create them How can you be a capitalist if you want to destroy the engine of capitalism, the capital market. nice thing about right wingers is they dont read. so it's easy to show they're wrong i never said i want DESTROY the markets. i said i want to REGULATE them to ensure they dont use moral hazard to escape the penalties of their greed. the right wants to insulate the market from failures but wants to ensure they make as much money as possible, even when they fail Do I need to go get your quotes about destroying Wall Street? great. go get 'em. i'll wait you plutocrats want to destroy capitalism because you think being rich is, in and of itself, proof of market efficency BBBZZZZ!! WRONG! |
Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 12:23:18 -0500, John H
wrote: On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 09:50:24 -0500, bpuharic wrote: and you might want to read what a CONSERVATIVE NOBEL PRIZE WINNER says: http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/index.html The rich bankers and others who took large risks should have taken much larger haircuts. I have also supported from the beginning of the recession higher capital requirements for banks, especially for the large “too big to fail banks” that will be bailed out if they get into financial difficulties. gary becker is a nobel prize winning CONSERVATIVE economist he's concerned about inequality he's concerned that the financial sector has consumed HUGE resources with little return he's concerned that there are too few regulations on large banks he's CONSERVATIVE i'm a LIBERAL and i have the same concerns you right wing socialists dont care. You spread a lot of bull****, but you've still got two questions you're unable to answer. 1. Uh, how many people have jobs? not enough AND we dont have enough TAX revenue because we keep cutting taxes on the RICH 2."If you destroy all of the corporations, where will those jobs come from?" what jobs? you keep telling me we have so many jobs because of the tax cuts on the rich where are they? WHERE ARE THE JOBS talk about dodging a question! |
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