Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
 

On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 20:18:02 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 16:18:32 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 23:59:40 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:39:33 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

not enough. not enough at all. they pay 15%. i pay 28%

Bull****.

If you pay 28% you are one of the 1%.

Two people, no kids, making a combined $100k end up paying about 11%
taking the standard deduction.

not too smart are you? 28% is middle class income:

http://taxes.about.com/od/Federal-In...1-Tax-Year.htm

•10% on taxable income from $0 to $8,500, plus
•15% on taxable income over $8,500 to $34,500, plus
•25% on taxable income over $34,500 to $83,600, plus
•28% on taxable income over $83,600 to $174,400, plus
•33% on taxable income over $174,400 to $379,150, plus
•35% on taxable income over $379,150.


no wonder you're right wing. you're too stupid to be anything BUT....


Who does your taxes Bob?

Let's start with $100,000 (you can follow along with your 1040 book)
You start out reducing your taxable income by $11400 for the standard
deduction

Then you reduce it by $7300 for 2 exemptions

You have 81300 that you take to the tax table

You get $12, 694 but you are not done yet

Now you subtract $800 from that for the "make work pay" tax credit

Your tax on $100,000 is $11,894
That is 11.9%, not 28%

That is for someone with no mortgage deduction, no kids no other
deductions.

but don't let facts confuse what Olbermann is telling you.

cant read a tax table, can you?

doesnt matter what the deductions are. what matters is the marginal
tax rate. and for the middle class it's 28%. the fact the GOP wants to
eliminate the middle class deducations while eliminating ANY taxes for
the rich..AKA capital gains

go ahead...listen to talk radio. cotton candy for right wingers

Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
 

On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:59:42 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 18:33:45 -0800 (PST), North Star
wrote:
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Good Lord... does that cover both Federal and State income taxes?

That is just Federal and Florida doesn't have state income taxes.

I did run the same $100,000 against the Ontario tax web site
calculator and it was scary.

There is a "payroll" tax on wages but Obama cut that to about 5%.
(plus the employer side of 7%.)


guess he's unaware that in the US we pay for our health insurance
either by payroll deductions or when our employer pays it

not too bright, these right wingers

Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
 

On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:38:19 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:


65% of Canada has none to low (red). No mistake why I live in Alberta.

Coincidentally or not, the red provinces are also the largest,
liberal-socialist types.

i'm willing to bet alberta has socialized medicine

so he lives in a socialist state while complaining about free market
america being a socialist state

hypocrite

Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
 

On 11/23/2011 7:20 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:39:13 -0500, wrote:

On 11/22/2011 4:18 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 23:59:40 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:39:33 -0500, wrote:

not enough. not enough at all. they pay 15%. i pay 28%

Bull****.

If you pay 28% you are one of the 1%.

Two people, no kids, making a combined $100k end up paying about 11%
taking the standard deduction.

not too smart are you? 28% is middle class income:

http://taxes.about.com/od/Federal-In...1-Tax-Year.htm

•10% on taxable income from $0 to $8,500, plus
•15% on taxable income over $8,500 to $34,500, plus
•25% on taxable income over $34,500 to $83,600, plus
•28% on taxable income over $83,600 to $174,400, plus
•33% on taxable income over $174,400 to $379,150, plus
•35% on taxable income over $379,150.


no wonder you're right wing. you're too stupid to be anything BUT....


Those are the rates for "taxable" income after deductions, credits, etc.
And we do NOT pay 28% on the whole "taxable" amount. There are
brackets below the 28% bracket where the applied tax is lower.

From your cite the first 8.5K is taxed at 10%. From 8.5K to 34.5K is
taxed at 15% and so on. Thus the net percentage paid is lower that 28%
for the bracket under discussion.

But you're too stupid to know that. I hope your account is smarter than
you are.

oh. you dont know what a marginal tax rate is

even though you just defined it

yeah, you're right wing alright

Nice try at a cover up.

I never thought you would understand the meaning of marginal tax rate.

Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
 

On 11/23/2011 7:24 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 20:18:02 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 16:18:32 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 23:59:40 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:39:33 -0500, wrote:

not enough. not enough at all. they pay 15%. i pay 28%

Bull****.

If you pay 28% you are one of the 1%.

Two people, no kids, making a combined $100k end up paying about 11%
taking the standard deduction.

not too smart are you? 28% is middle class income:

http://taxes.about.com/od/Federal-In...1-Tax-Year.htm

•10% on taxable income from $0 to $8,500, plus
•15% on taxable income over $8,500 to $34,500, plus
•25% on taxable income over $34,500 to $83,600, plus
•28% on taxable income over $83,600 to $174,400, plus
•33% on taxable income over $174,400 to $379,150, plus
•35% on taxable income over $379,150.


no wonder you're right wing. you're too stupid to be anything BUT....


Who does your taxes Bob?

Let's start with $100,000 (you can follow along with your 1040 book)
You start out reducing your taxable income by $11400 for the standard
deduction

Then you reduce it by $7300 for 2 exemptions

You have 81300 that you take to the tax table

You get $12, 694 but you are not done yet

Now you subtract $800 from that for the "make work pay" tax credit

Your tax on $100,000 is $11,894
That is 11.9%, not 28%

That is for someone with no mortgage deduction, no kids no other
deductions.

but don't let facts confuse what Olbermann is telling you.

cant read a tax table, can you?

doesnt matter what the deductions are. what matters is the marginal
tax rate. and for the middle class it's 28%. the fact the GOP wants to
eliminate the middle class deducations while eliminating ANY taxes for
the rich..AKA capital gains

go ahead...listen to talk radio. cotton candy for right wingers


What matters is what you pay in the end. Call it average or marginal,
what's left after the IRS takes their cut, that's what counts.

Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
 

On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 19:44:21 -0500, Disgusted wrote:

On 11/23/2011 7:20 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:39:13 -0500, wrote:

On 11/22/2011 4:18 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 23:59:40 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:39:33 -0500, wrote:

not enough. not enough at all. they pay 15%. i pay 28%

Bull****.

If you pay 28% you are one of the 1%.

Two people, no kids, making a combined $100k end up paying about 11%
taking the standard deduction.

not too smart are you? 28% is middle class income:

http://taxes.about.com/od/Federal-In...1-Tax-Year.htm

•10% on taxable income from $0 to $8,500, plus
•15% on taxable income over $8,500 to $34,500, plus
•25% on taxable income over $34,500 to $83,600, plus
•28% on taxable income over $83,600 to $174,400, plus
•33% on taxable income over $174,400 to $379,150, plus
•35% on taxable income over $379,150.


no wonder you're right wing. you're too stupid to be anything BUT....


Those are the rates for "taxable" income after deductions, credits, etc.
And we do NOT pay 28% on the whole "taxable" amount. There are
brackets below the 28% bracket where the applied tax is lower.

From your cite the first 8.5K is taxed at 10%. From 8.5K to 34.5K is
taxed at 15% and so on. Thus the net percentage paid is lower that 28%
for the bracket under discussion.

But you're too stupid to know that. I hope your account is smarter than
you are.

oh. you dont know what a marginal tax rate is

even though you just defined it

yeah, you're right wing alright

Nice try at a cover up.

I never thought you would understand the meaning of marginal tax rate.

try reading a tax table. i published one above

Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
 

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:35:22 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 20:08:37 -0500, bpuharic wrote:



try reading a tax table. i published one above

Do you just take your gross income, multiply it by the top rate and
send it in?

you're ignoring the whole point to the difference between tax rates
and marginal tax rates. middle class tax rates are 28%. that is a
fact.

go ahead and argue against it. you can't. i dare you to post the tax
rates for middle class income. they are either 25 or 28%

NOW...you can bitch and moan and whine that, with deductions, the
middle class generally pays LESS than this

BUT....the FACT is the rates are as i stated they were

now, little boy, slink off into your rat hole and lick your wounds


You do understand that the tax table is progressive don't you?

just barely. and certainly NOT for capital gains which is an example
of the love affair the middle class has for the rich


There
are also deductions, exemptions and a credit available to everyone.
I am guessing the 1040 just baffles you and you pay someone to do your
taxes. I hope they are smarter than you. Well maybe not. You should
pay more just for whining.

you're an idiot

and a conservative

but i repeat myself

bet you whine and moan about the 47% who 'dont' pay taxes too...

Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
 

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:31:02 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 19:24:04 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 20:18:02 -0500, wrote:



That is 11.9%, not 28%

That is for someone with no mortgage deduction, no kids no other
deductions.

but don't let facts confuse what Olbermann is telling you.

cant read a tax table, can you?

doesnt matter what the deductions are. what matters is the marginal
tax rate. and for the middle class it's 28%. the fact the GOP wants to
eliminate the middle class deducations while eliminating ANY taxes for
the rich..AKA capital gains

go ahead...listen to talk radio. cotton candy for right wingers


The top marginal rate doesn't mean ****.

bull****. if your income is a million bux your effective tax rate is
over 30% because almost all your income is taxed at the marginal rates

lemme ask: did you take ANY math in school? any at all?

the fact is the very rich dont pay ****.

the fact is they wrecked this economy

the fact is True Believers in the wall street cult....like you...will
always give the socialist freeloaders of wall street a free pass no
matter HOW MUCH damage they do to the economy

we capitalists are tired of your socialism. you're just another
freeloader

Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
 

On 23/11/2011 5:44 PM, Disgusted wrote:
On 11/23/2011 7:20 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:39:13 -0500, wrote:

On 11/22/2011 4:18 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 23:59:40 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:39:33 -0500, wrote:

not enough. not enough at all. they pay 15%. i pay 28%

Bull****.

If you pay 28% you are one of the 1%.

Two people, no kids, making a combined $100k end up paying about 11%
taking the standard deduction.

not too smart are you? 28% is middle class income:

http://taxes.about.com/od/Federal-In...1-Tax-Year.htm


•10% on taxable income from $0 to $8,500, plus
•15% on taxable income over $8,500 to $34,500, plus
•25% on taxable income over $34,500 to $83,600, plus
•28% on taxable income over $83,600 to $174,400, plus
•33% on taxable income over $174,400 to $379,150, plus
•35% on taxable income over $379,150.


no wonder you're right wing. you're too stupid to be anything BUT....


Those are the rates for "taxable" income after deductions, credits, etc.
And we do NOT pay 28% on the whole "taxable" amount. There are
brackets below the 28% bracket where the applied tax is lower.

From your cite the first 8.5K is taxed at 10%. From 8.5K to 34.5K is
taxed at 15% and so on. Thus the net percentage paid is lower that 28%
for the bracket under discussion.

But you're too stupid to know that. I hope your account is smarter than
you are.

oh. you dont know what a marginal tax rate is

even though you just defined it

yeah, you're right wing alright

Nice try at a cover up.

I never thought you would understand the meaning of marginal tax rate.

Diaper wipe bpuharic cant even do the math, thinking that was the whole
tax rate table without deductions. Clearly a loser fool. My guess, is
a jailbird.
--
All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment
they think rationally.

Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
 

On 23/11/2011 5:26 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:38:19 -0700,
wrote:


65% of Canada has none to low (red). No mistake why I live in Alberta.

Coincidentally or not, the red provinces are also the largest,
liberal-socialist types.

i'm willing to bet alberta has socialized medicine

so he lives in a socialist state while complaining about free market
america being a socialist state

hypocrite

You should come up here and try it. But I don't think you can get in on
welfare and with a criminal record.
--
All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment
they think rationally.

Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
 

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:58:03 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 23/11/2011 5:44 PM, Disgusted wrote:
On 11/23/2011 7:20 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:39:13 -0500, wrote:


oh. you dont know what a marginal tax rate is

even though you just defined it

yeah, you're right wing alright

Nice try at a cover up.

I never thought you would understand the meaning of marginal tax rate.

Diaper wipe bpuharic cant even do the math, thinking that was the whole
tax rate table without deductions. Clearly a loser fool. My guess, is
a jailbird.

so canuck complains how socialized medicine ruins a country

as he lives in a country with socialized medicine

uh huh.

Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
 

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:59:10 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 23/11/2011 5:26 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 21:38:19 -0700,
wrote:


65% of Canada has none to low (red). No mistake why I live in Alberta.

Coincidentally or not, the red provinces are also the largest,
liberal-socialist types.

i'm willing to bet alberta has socialized medicine

so he lives in a socialist state while complaining about free market
america being a socialist state

hypocrite

You should come up here and try it. But I don't think you can get in on
welfare and with a criminal record.

gee. you should try to get medical care in the US withut insurance

ever try it?

Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
 

On 23/11/2011 5:48 PM, Disgusted wrote:
On 11/23/2011 7:24 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 20:18:02 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 16:18:32 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 23:59:40 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:39:33 -0500, wrote:

not enough. not enough at all. they pay 15%. i pay 28%

Bull****.

If you pay 28% you are one of the 1%.

Two people, no kids, making a combined $100k end up paying about 11%
taking the standard deduction.

not too smart are you? 28% is middle class income:

http://taxes.about.com/od/Federal-In...1-Tax-Year.htm


•10% on taxable income from $0 to $8,500, plus
•15% on taxable income over $8,500 to $34,500, plus
•25% on taxable income over $34,500 to $83,600, plus
•28% on taxable income over $83,600 to $174,400, plus
•33% on taxable income over $174,400 to $379,150, plus
•35% on taxable income over $379,150.


no wonder you're right wing. you're too stupid to be anything BUT....


Who does your taxes Bob?

Let's start with $100,000 (you can follow along with your 1040 book)
You start out reducing your taxable income by $11400 for the standard
deduction

Then you reduce it by $7300 for 2 exemptions

You have 81300 that you take to the tax table

You get $12, 694 but you are not done yet

Now you subtract $800 from that for the "make work pay" tax credit

Your tax on $100,000 is $11,894
That is 11.9%, not 28%

That is for someone with no mortgage deduction, no kids no other
deductions.

but don't let facts confuse what Olbermann is telling you.

cant read a tax table, can you?

doesnt matter what the deductions are. what matters is the marginal
tax rate. and for the middle class it's 28%. the fact the GOP wants to
eliminate the middle class deducations while eliminating ANY taxes for
the rich..AKA capital gains

go ahead...listen to talk radio. cotton candy for right wingers


What matters is what you pay in the end. Call it average or marginal,
what's left after the IRS takes their cut, that's what counts.

Bingo.

When I moved to the US I originally had to buy my own insurance as I was
a consultant not an employee. So I bought it on my own, writing the
check. But when I got into it, I was saving more on taxes at the lower
US tax rate. If I factor in health care as taxes, and consider in
Canada most have supplementary insurance, I was far better off in the
USA on wage/consulting income than in Canada.

Gets better, stuff is cheaper in the USA, less excise and hidden taxes.
No HST/PST, which is 15%. State taxes always seemed to be 4.5 to
5.5%. Gas, entertainment, vacations, cars, booze, services all seemed
cheaper in the USA. Sure had no trouble saving money.

--
All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment
they think rationally.

Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
 

In article om,
says...

On 11/22/2011 8:11 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 11/21/11 11:45 PM, jps wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 08:59:42 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

On 11/21/11 8:46 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 00:24:51 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 22:31:43 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:02:02 -0500, wrote:

In ,
says...

you're the one betting on polls a year before the election. go
back to
your security blanket.

Obama could be beat by any republican with a pulse. Too bad they
haven't found that one yet.

yeah. that's cuz aint no republican wiht a pulse

I really think the GOP wants Obama to win so it will be a democrat
who
makes the cuts to SS and Medicare that we are going to have to do.

sorry sport. that's already on the table

what terrifies the GOP is raising taxes on the rich

the GOP has no problem destroying the middle class. but god forbid the
rich should pay an extra buck in taxes for all the damage they caused

Washington DC doesn't have a revenue problem, they have a spending
problem. Everyone is looking for the solution from on wrong side of the
ledger.


D'oh. Stop channeling the moronic GOP leaders in the house and senate.

Where was Bertie when we started bombing rocks in Afghanistan and
unseating Saddam? Bush had a spending problem called war. And, he
was the one who pushed through the medicare drug bill that put us even
further in debt.

Funny, didn't hear Bertie say a damned thing when all that spending
was goin' on.



Bertie was shivering in a corner, hoping and praying he wouldn't get
called up and sent to a combat zone.

Now that's projecting ones shortcomings onto another. Mommy use her
political connections to see to it that you didn't get drafted?

I was a phone call away with my sea bag packed and ready to go for 6
years. What was Harry doing, throwing fecal bombs at his fellow union
members in the police department?

Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
 

On 11/24/11 9:40 AM, BAR wrote:
In raweb.com,
says...

On 11/22/2011 8:11 AM, X ` Man wrote:

Washington DC doesn't have a revenue problem, they have a spending
problem. Everyone is looking for the solution from on wrong side of the
ledger.


D'oh. Stop channeling the moronic GOP leaders in the house and senate.

Where was Bertie when we started bombing rocks in Afghanistan and
unseating Saddam? Bush had a spending problem called war. And, he
was the one who pushed through the medicare drug bill that put us even
further in debt.

Funny, didn't hear Bertie say a damned thing when all that spending
was goin' on.



Bertie was shivering in a corner, hoping and praying he wouldn't get
called up and sent to a combat zone.

Now that's projecting ones shortcomings onto another. Mommy use her
political connections to see to it that you didn't get drafted?

I was a phone call away with my sea bag packed and ready to go for 6
years. What was Harry doing, throwing fecal bombs at his fellow union
members in the police department?


If you are referring to Bush's moronic war against Afghanistan, I was
biding my time, waiting for a real president with brains to give the
orders to find and kill bin Laden. You remember bin Laden, right? The
guy Bush said wasn't important enough to catch.

Have a nice family holiday.


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Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
 

On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 11:52:00 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 20/11/2011 11:58 AM, California Rocket Scientist wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 12:41:14 -0800 (PST), TopBassDog
wrote:

Pay attention Herr Krause; you too JIPS- I know the odds are against
it, but there remains hope that you both may learn something.

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/was...ng-big-in-2012

We need to face it, we're a nation that claims to be fiscally
conservative, yet we never tire of goofy wars to name just one
bizarre contradiction. Then when we see the bill we look to elect
somebody new no matter what crazy claims he makes as long as he
doesn't mention our previous assinine decisons, or criticize us for
making them. The latest crazy claims are that the applicants can make
up for the 5 trillion cost of the middle east fiasco by cutting taxes
further and getting rid of the EPA, unions, etc. Who'd be dumb enough
to believe that except for maybe 51% of the voters? So Cook could be
right. God help us.

Need to get rid of "In Debt We Trust!" and put God back in there.

You mean the god who likes to flood backup generators at nuclear power
plants and give cancer to innocent kids? How is trusting in him
supposed to help anything? Look to the most wretched in the world to
find the most likely to believe in nonsense. The benefits of
worshipping imaginary beings are almost entirely imaginary. On the
other hand the worst of the downsides is that we've accepted that it's
perfectly respectable and wise to believe that a supreme being has a
grand plan that includes killing the innocent in droves. How then can
we tell someone that it's neither respectable or wise to believe that
a Nigerian prince has willed them a fortune? Or that lower taxes
combined with increased spending is retarded and immoral?

Dishonored debt is a sin

Let's just call it a bad thing and leave out any fairy code
violations.

Unpaid debts is a form of theft.

Agreed. And in the case here in the US we're demanding ever lower
taxes at the same time we're pretending that all the costs that have
increased in the last couple of decades will somehow get paid by
magic. Try telling your banker that the problem of not wanting to pay
your bills can be cured by lowering your payments. When he balks tell
him that the fix for his disagreeableness is a new banker or more
praying.

Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
 

On 11/24/2011 11:56 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:52:05 -0500, wrote:

you're ignoring the whole point to the difference between tax rates
and marginal tax rates. middle class tax rates are 28%. that is a
fact.

What is the effective tax rate? (What you actually pay)
I showed you it is 12% or less for a couple ,making $100,000.


You sure do have a lot of patience with that guy. If he acted like he
does here in a face to face "debate", with his name calling, he'd be
visiting his dentist on a regular basis. But it's too easy to hide
behind Usenet.

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Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
 

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:56:31 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:52:05 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

you're ignoring the whole point to the difference between tax rates
and marginal tax rates. middle class tax rates are 28%. that is a
fact.

What is the effective tax rate? (What you actually pay)
I showed you it is 12% or less for a couple ,making $100,000.

the effective tax rate depends on ALOT of factors, many of which the
right wants to elmiinate for the middle class in favor of cutting
taxes for the wealthy.

aint no right winger talking about eliminating middle class taxes like
they are capital gains

Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
 

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 13:55:23 -0500, Disgusted wrote:

On 11/24/2011 11:56 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:52:05 -0500, wrote:

you're ignoring the whole point to the difference between tax rates
and marginal tax rates. middle class tax rates are 28%. that is a
fact.

What is the effective tax rate? (What you actually pay)
I showed you it is 12% or less for a couple ,making $100,000.


You sure do have a lot of patience with that guy. If he acted like he
does here in a face to face "debate", with his name calling, he'd be
visiting his dentist on a regular basis. But it's too easy to hide
behind Usenet.

right whiners call hiding from the truth 'patience'

orwell would be proud

Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
 

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:58:38 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:54:44 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

bull****. if your income is a million bux your effective tax rate is
over 30% because almost all your income is taxed at the marginal rates

lemme ask: did you take ANY math in school? any at all?

the fact is the very rich dont pay ****.

Which is it? "over 30%" or "don't pay ****"?

The fact is the top 5% pay 40% of the taxes.

you're so full of right wing bull**** i can smell it in PA

the rich dont pay ****. taxes are SLIGHTLY...SLIGHTLY progressive

AND the rich have had SO MUCH of an increase in income it's no wonder
they pay taxes

you ignore that, dont you? you ignore the MASSIVE transfer of wealth
in this country, dont you?

you ignore the massive increase in income and wealth of the rih over
the last 30 years, while the middle class has had ZIP

what are you trying to hide, right whiner? conservatives ALWAYS hide
from the TRUTH

Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
 

On 24/11/2011 7:59 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:56:31 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:52:05 -0500, wrote:

you're ignoring the whole point to the difference between tax rates
and marginal tax rates. middle class tax rates are 28%. that is a
fact.

What is the effective tax rate? (What you actually pay)
I showed you it is 12% or less for a couple ,making $100,000.

the effective tax rate depends on ALOT of factors, many of which the
right wants to elmiinate for the middle class in favor of cutting
taxes for the wealthy.

aint no right winger talking about eliminating middle class taxes like
they are capital gains

Tax capital gains 2 things happen.

1) USA is less attractive for investing and less jobs.
2) Those that do invest will get double the gains to pay the taxes and
it will come from wages.

Either way, just screwing the middle class.

Tax greed isn't going to solve DCs problem but it is liable to make it a
whole lot worse.
--
All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment
they think rationally.

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On 24/11/2011 9:32 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:59:37 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:56:31 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:52:05 -0500, wrote:

you're ignoring the whole point to the difference between tax rates
and marginal tax rates. middle class tax rates are 28%. that is a
fact.

What is the effective tax rate? (What you actually pay)
I showed you it is 12% or less for a couple ,making $100,000.

the effective tax rate depends on ALOT of factors, many of which the
right wants to elmiinate for the middle class in favor of cutting
taxes for the wealthy.

aint no right winger talking about eliminating middle class taxes like
they are capital gains

Some of us actually invested our money and like lower capital gains
taxes.

But taxes on gains is a wealth tax.

Say I invest $1000. After I invest you get 100% inflation years later.
Now the investment is worth $2000. And now I sell, I see gains taxes
on $1000, but I only say get taxed on half...so I get taxed on $500.
Say I get a tax rate of 25%. $125 taxes paid and $1875. But wait, to
buy stuff has also doubled by my net hasn't doubled.

Basically inflation as a tax. Works on wages too as the basic
deductions never keep pace with inflation pushing you up the tax tables
over time.

So if you tax it full, well, your company better produce a bigger
dividend to write off the capital devaluation or investment capital will
dry up.

If GDP or inflation goes up 3%, and you only go up 2% net of taxes, you
are 1% behind in your slice of the pie. And taxed on it too.
--
All successful people have one thing in common, if even for a moment
they think rationally.

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On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 23:32:14 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:59:37 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:56:31 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:52:05 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

you're ignoring the whole point to the difference between tax rates
and marginal tax rates. middle class tax rates are 28%. that is a
fact.

What is the effective tax rate? (What you actually pay)
I showed you it is 12% or less for a couple ,making $100,000.

the effective tax rate depends on ALOT of factors, many of which the
right wants to elmiinate for the middle class in favor of cutting
taxes for the wealthy.

aint no right winger talking about eliminating middle class taxes like
they are capital gains

Some of us actually invested our money and like lower capital gains
taxes.

gee that's a shame. no reason we should pay all the taxes while the
capital gains folks pay zip, after what they did to this country

Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
 

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 22:43:32 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 24/11/2011 9:32 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:59:37 -0500, wrote:



Some of us actually invested our money and like lower capital gains
taxes.

But taxes on gains is a wealth tax.

and taxes on income is a tax on labor.

captial gains should be taxed at least as regular income. there's no
reason those who destroyed this economy should be rewarded for it

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On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 22:36:38 -0700, Canuck57
wrote:

On 24/11/2011 7:59 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:56:31 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:52:05 -0500, wrote:

you're ignoring the whole point to the difference between tax rates
and marginal tax rates. middle class tax rates are 28%. that is a
fact.

What is the effective tax rate? (What you actually pay)
I showed you it is 12% or less for a couple ,making $100,000.

the effective tax rate depends on ALOT of factors, many of which the
right wants to elmiinate for the middle class in favor of cutting
taxes for the wealthy.

aint no right winger talking about eliminating middle class taxes like
they are capital gains

Tax capital gains 2 things happen.

1) USA is less attractive for investing and less jobs.

wrong. in fact, an argument for taxing capital gains is precisely to
drive finanical instruments overseas and quit subsidizing false
investments that have dstroyed our economy.

there is no proof that cutting capital gains leads to jobs. none. it's
right wing propaganda. bush cut capital gains from 29% to 15%

and this is the economy we got.

where are the jobs??

2) Those that do invest will get double the gains to pay the taxes and
it will come from wages.

wrong. if they're in a competiitive market for jobs OR if there are
unions, like in more advanced countries, then capital gains taxes will
come from stock holders

Either way, just screwing the middle class.

bull****. i just showed why you're wrong.

where are the jobs?

where are they??


Tax greed isn't going to solve DCs problem but it is liable to make it a
whole lot worse.

Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
 

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 23:45:47 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 22:02:05 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:58:38 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:54:44 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

bull****. if your income is a million bux your effective tax rate is
over 30% because almost all your income is taxed at the marginal rates

lemme ask: did you take ANY math in school? any at all?

the fact is the very rich dont pay ****.

Which is it? "over 30%" or "don't pay ****"?

The fact is the top 5% pay 40% of the taxes.

you're so full of right wing bull**** i can smell it in PA

No, Philadelphia always smells like that. ;-)

Perhaps you would believe the IRS web site ... but I doubt it.

You can go here and crunch the numbers yourself
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/09in12ms.xls

you can go here, to the congressional budget office report:

http://www.federalreserve.gov/pubs/f.../201117pap.pdf

and find that between 1979 and 2007 the income of the richest 1% grew
by

TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY FIVE percent

did their taxes go up that much?

nope. in fact they went DOWN

but you won't believe the CBO because faux news hates it

The top 1% pay 36.7% of the taxes

they have 37.1% of the country's wealth. AND their income has
skyrocketed above and beyond those of the rich of other countries

you have yet to make an argument as to why turning the US into a 3rd
world country is a good think

not sure why the right wing thinks destroying the middle class is good
economics

but you're doing it

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On 11/24/11 11:32 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:59:37 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:56:31 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:52:05 -0500, wrote:

you're ignoring the whole point to the difference between tax rates
and marginal tax rates. middle class tax rates are 28%. that is a
fact.

What is the effective tax rate? (What you actually pay)
I showed you it is 12% or less for a couple ,making $100,000.

the effective tax rate depends on ALOT of factors, many of which the
right wants to elmiinate for the middle class in favor of cutting
taxes for the wealthy.

aint no right winger talking about eliminating middle class taxes like
they are capital gains

Some of us actually invested our money and like lower capital gains
taxes.

I think a slightly lower tax rate on *long-term* capital gains
encourages investment and I favor it. I think short-term capital gains
should be taxed at a much, much higher rate in order to discourage
speculation. There are societal reasons to encourage long-term
investments and very few to encourage speculators.

Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
 

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 07:50:46 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:


I think a slightly lower tax rate on *long-term* capital gains
encourages investment and I favor it

actually there's evidence this is incorrecct.

first, we did that. long term capital gains were once MUCH higher
(over 70%) than they are now; even under clinton they were double what
they are now.

under bush capital gains were lowered by almost 50%. we LOST jobs.

2nd, a recent paper detailed he


http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/20...fer-curve-rich

finds we could raise marginal tax rates on high earners to over 70%
before we'd lower investment

i think we have to go with the EVIDENCE.

Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
 

On 11/25/2011 7:50 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 11/24/11 11:32 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:59:37 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:56:31 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 00:52:05 -0500, wrote:

you're ignoring the whole point to the difference between tax rates
and marginal tax rates. middle class tax rates are 28%. that is a
fact.

What is the effective tax rate? (What you actually pay)
I showed you it is 12% or less for a couple ,making $100,000.

the effective tax rate depends on ALOT of factors, many of which the
right wants to elmiinate for the middle class in favor of cutting
taxes for the wealthy.

aint no right winger talking about eliminating middle class taxes like
they are capital gains

Some of us actually invested our money and like lower capital gains
taxes.

I think a slightly lower tax rate on *long-term* capital gains
encourages investment and I favor it. I think short-term capital gains
should be taxed at a much, much higher rate in order to discourage
speculation. There are societal reasons to encourage long-term
investments and very few to encourage speculators.

*Imposter alert*

--
1-20-13 The end of an error

Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
 

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 10:07:57 -0500, Drifter wrote:

On 11/25/2011 7:50 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 11/24/11 11:32 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 21:59:37 -0500, wrote:


I think a slightly lower tax rate on *long-term* capital gains
encourages investment and I favor it. I think short-term capital gains
should be taxed at a much, much higher rate in order to discourage
speculation. There are societal reasons to encourage long-term
investments and very few to encourage speculators.

*Imposter alert*

THAT makes sense. there's little reason to propose lowering capital
gains taxes

Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
 

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:19:42 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 02:00:57 -0500, bpuharic wrote:


gee that's a shame. no reason we should pay all the taxes while the
capital gains folks pay zip, after what they did to this country


What we did was provide capital to the job creators so guys like you
can find work. I imagine your investments amount to the EE bond your
grandmother gave you and a set of Obama inaugural collector plates.

i keep asking the same question

you keep ignoring the same question:

if we gave these cuts to the job creators to create jobs

where are the jobs???

you're just a True Believer in the bull**** wall street cult

you dont know **** about the economy

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On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:23:43 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 02:04:54 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

wrong. in fact, an argument for taxing capital gains is precisely to
drive finanical instruments overseas and quit subsidizing false
investments that have dstroyed our economy.

So you want to drive capital offshore?

yep. drive all collateralized default swaps offshore. let them do to
the chinese economy what they did to ours

Send US money to other countries to build up their industry?

HAHAHAHA

have you LOOKED at the chinese economy??

WE'RE ALREADY DOING THAT YOU MORON!!

christ you're as dumb as a bag of rocks


Who do you think provided the money that got Ford, Microsoft or Apple
going? It was stock holders.
You really are stupid.

you live in a rat hole, completely isolated from any information
except the vomit that faux news feeds you

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On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:33:42 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 02:13:56 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 23:45:4

The fact is the top 5% pay 40% of the taxes.

you're so full of right wing bull**** i can smell it in PA

No, Philadelphia always smells like that. ;-)

Perhaps you would believe the IRS web site ... but I doubt it.

You can go here and crunch the numbers yourself
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/09in12ms.xls

you can go here, to the congressional budget office report:

http://www.federalreserve.gov/pubs/f.../201117pap.pdf

and find that between 1979 and 2007 the income of the richest 1% grew
by

TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY FIVE percent

did their taxes go up that much?

nope. in fact they went DOWN

Since there was no change in the tax law between 2007 and 2009, how do
you explain that.

it's YOUR contention cutting capital gains taxes creates jobs

we DID cut capital gains by 50% during bush's term

WHERE ARE THE JOBS??

you IGNORE this question. you keep BLEATING that bankrupting the
middle class by giving ALL our money to the rich will create jobs

OK. we did that

WHERE ARE THE JOBS???


BTW why make a statement that is not supported by the link you post.
Do you think I won't read it and take your 275% numbers at face value

i gave you the link to the CBO study. can't help it if faux news keeps
feeding you ****.

the very fact you keep bleating WRONG information tells us about the
bull**** kool aid you drink from the True Believer fountain at wall
street


Your article seems to make it sound like Wall Street INVESTORS took
the worst hit.

"house prices declined 17 percent and the Wilshire 5000 index of
publicly
traded equities fell 39 percent."

Yet you think it is all gravy for us.

gee. middle class unemployment DOUBLED

AND we BAILED YOU OUT

NOW you want MORE money to continue to destroy our country

how ****ing GREEDY can you get?

Charlie Cook Sees GOP Winning Big in 2012
 

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:23:43 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 02:04:54 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

wrong. in fact, an argument for taxing capital gains is precisely to
drive finanical instruments overseas and quit subsidizing false
investments that have dstroyed our economy.

So you want to drive capital offshore?

yep. drive all collateralized default swaps offshore. let them do to
the chinese economy what they did to ours

Send US money to other countries to build up their industry?

HAHAHAHA

have you LOOKED at the chinese economy??

WE'RE ALREADY DOING THAT YOU MORON!!

christ you're as dumb as a bag of rocks


No. But he sure stepped into that one with a blindfold on.
Except for stockholders and those working on Wall Street -
an ever-decreasing class in the U.S. - capital used to build foreign
factories and businesses does nothing for U.S. unemployment.
In fact, it's detrimental to U.S. employment.
Wall Street should just wholesale relocate to China.
That way nobody will complain about it.
And it might very well happen.
Wouldn't bother me.

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On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:15:30 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:23:43 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 02:04:54 -0500, bpuharic wrote:


Send US money to other countries to build up their industry?

HAHAHAHA

have you LOOKED at the chinese economy??

WE'RE ALREADY DOING THAT YOU MORON!!

christ you're as dumb as a bag of rocks


No. But he sure stepped into that one with a blindfold on.
Except for stockholders and those working on Wall Street -
an ever-decreasing class in the U.S. - capital used to build foreign
factories and businesses does nothing for U.S. unemployment.
In fact, it's detrimental to U.S. employment.
Wall Street should just wholesale relocate to China.
That way nobody will complain about it.
And it might very well happen.
Wouldn't bother me.

you know i wouldnt mind how ****ing rich the rich got if we ALL got
richer AND we all had jobs. inequality is a natural result in a mature
developed economy

BUT the right worships inequality of OPPORTUNITY, and will work to
preserve the privileged regardless of the costs to the econoomy. they
just simply refuse to look at the evidence. he keeps bleating the same
failed arguments over and over...