A nice apple story
 

On 11/17/11 8:56 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:39:06 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

My neighbor, a snowbird from Germany and I have had this Apple/PC
argument a few times and the bottom line is, he doesn't want to know
he has a computer, it is just an appliance to him.
I like computers and I like working with them so it doesn't bother me
knowing I have a computer..


My iMac has a 27" screen, an intel i7 processor, 16 gigabytes of RAM, a
one terabyte hard drive and is "served" by an 8 terabyte Synology
server. Gee, I wonder what apps significant to me I can't run on this
mac and if it is only available under a MS OS, under Windows 7 under
VMware?

For most users, the hardware platform no longer is relevant.


But you don't want to swap a hard drive.


I don't need to...Apple does it for me.

A nice apple story
 

On 11/17/11 9:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message ...

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:09:01 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I had a choice of drives for my server, so I bought four of these:

Seagate Constellation ES 2 TB Internal hard drive - 300 MBps - 7200 rpm


Seagate/Maxtor is a pretty good drive


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The problem with Apple, at least in former days, was you had to buy the
drive from Apple at excessive price. Same frikken drive as on a PC but
with a unique identifier in the SCSI packet. I designed Maxtor drives
and they were the same exact drive except for the identifier. The
problem with WD drives was getting them to be reliable at 7200 rpm. As
Jim McCoy, Chairman of Maxtor when I worked there, stated, anyone can
build a 3600 rpm drive, hard to handle the head flying and control at
7200 rpm. Lots of turbulence at the extra rpm.

That's no longer the case. You can buy drives in many sizes
from many vendors. I could upgrade the drive in my laptop, for example,
in about 10 minutes.

The server I have is made by Synology, not Apple. There is a long list
of recommended drives you can use with it. The device comes "driveless,"
as it were. Took longer to take the four drives out of their packaging
than it did to install them in the server.

A nice apple story
 

In article e7d3831c-1e19-4d13-9df2-5ca6350ad7f8
@m19g2000yqh.googlegroups.com, says...

On Nov 17, 2:35*pm, iBoaterer wrote:
You stupid ****, Suckling Don!! Everyone here knows that you and Harry
are the biggest cowards around. IF you were "better men" you both
wouldn't back out of every bet you've issued here. Now, do you want to
come to my house or not? When you get to Philly, contact me, I'll give
you directions right here. Same goes for Harry. Also, Harry is close
enough that I'll come to HIM, all he has to do is meet me in a parking
lot. I wonder how his clients will like the fact that he's going around
issuing threats of violence?

A couple days ago you said you'd met me half way.. and I chose Maine.
As expected, you were a 'no show'.
Do you really expect me to travel all the way to Philly so you can re-
direct me to your drug supplier.... probably in a housing project in
a questionable part of the city?

Oh, Suckling Don the Coward, you try SO hard, but you still come out
looking like the low life coward you are. Hey, what about that bet that
you wanted to make with me, you know the one, where you said you'd bet
$500 that John was right in that I'm Kevin? Want to go for it? I didn't
think so.

A nice apple story
 

In article ,
says...

On 11/17/11 2:58 PM, North Star wrote:
On Nov 17, 2:35 pm, wrote:
You stupid ****, Suckling Don!! Everyone here knows that you and Harry
are the biggest cowards around. IF you were "better men" you both
wouldn't back out of every bet you've issued here. Now, do you want to
come to my house or not? When you get to Philly, contact me, I'll give
you directions right here. Same goes for Harry. Also, Harry is close
enough that I'll come to HIM, all he has to do is meet me in a parking
lot. I wonder how his clients will like the fact that he's going around
issuing threats of violence?

A couple days ago you said you'd met me half way.. and I chose Maine.
As expected, you were a 'no show'.
Do you really expect me to travel all the way to Philly so you can re-
direct me to your drug supplier.... probably in a housing project in
a questionable part of the city?


Little iLoogy is so slow he doesn't realize that if I wanted to, I could
show up at any almost any public place in Maryland with a concealed
firearm. Those of us with Maryland concealed carry permits can do that.
D'oh. And he could be arrested on public property for fighting, too.

It matters not...he wouldn't show under any circumstance.

I don't give a ****, go for it. Where do you want to meet? And yes, I
WILL show up. Try me.

A nice apple story
 

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:21:22 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:
On 11/17/11 8:56 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:39:06 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

My neighbor, a snowbird from Germany and I have had this
Apple/PC
argument a few times and the bottom line is, he doesn't want to
know
he has a computer, it is just an appliance to him.
I like computers and I like working with them so it doesn't
bother me
knowing I have a computer..


My iMac has a 27" screen, an intel i7 processor, 16 gigabytes of
RAM, a
one terabyte hard drive and is "served" by an 8 terabyte Synology
server. Gee, I wonder what apps significant to me I can't run on
this
mac and if it is only available under a MS OS, under Windows 7
under
VMware?

For most users, the hardware platform no longer is relevant.


But you don't want to swap a hard drive.




I don't need to...Apple does it for me.
Well that's an inconvenience for you. You have to get out if your
jammies and in to your street clothes toi visit the apple store.

--
2012, the end of an error:-)

A nice apple story
 

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:21:22 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:
On 11/17/11 8:56 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:39:06 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

My neighbor, a snowbird from Germany and I have had this
Apple/PC
argument a few times and the bottom line is, he doesn't want to
know
he has a computer, it is just an appliance to him.
I like computers and I like working with them so it doesn't
bother me
knowing I have a computer..


My iMac has a 27" screen, an intel i7 processor, 16 gigabytes of
RAM, a
one terabyte hard drive and is "served" by an 8 terabyte Synology
server. Gee, I wonder what apps significant to me I can't run on
this
mac and if it is only available under a MS OS, under Windows 7
under
VMware?

For most users, the hardware platform no longer is relevant.


But you don't want to swap a hard drive.




I don't need to...Apple does it for me.
Well that's an inconvenience for you. You have to get out if your
jammies and in to your street clothes toi visit the apple store.

He's too much of a coward to go out of the house. He expected me to
visit his house. Of course, the coward showed his true colors when I
told him I'd meet him anywhere on public property. Notice he's too
scared to accept? Did anyone except Don expect anything other?

A nice apple story
 

On Nov 18, 11:08*am, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...







On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:21:22 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:
On 11/17/11 8:56 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:39:06 -0500, X ` Man
*wrote:

My neighbor, a snowbird from Germany and I have had this
Apple/PC
argument a few times and the bottom line is, he doesn't want to
know
he has a computer, it is just an appliance to him.
I like computers and I like working with them so it doesn't
bother me
knowing I have a computer..

My iMac has a 27" screen, an intel i7 processor, 16 gigabytes of
RAM, a
one terabyte hard drive and is "served" by an 8 terabyte Synology
server. Gee, I wonder what apps significant to me I can't run on
this
mac and if it is only available under a MS OS, under Windows 7
under
VMware?

For most users, the hardware platform no longer is relevant.

But you don't want to swap a hard drive.

I don't need to...Apple does it for me.
*Well that's an inconvenience for you. You have to get out if your
jammies and in to your street clothes toi visit the apple store.

He's too much of a coward to go out of the house. He expected me to
visit his house. Of course, the coward showed his true colors when I
told him I'd meet him anywhere on public property. Notice he's too
scared to accept? Did anyone except Don expect anything other?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well.. I expected you to be hiding behind Snotty's skirt... and looks
like I was right...... as usual!

A nice apple story
 

On 11/18/11 10:13 AM, North Star wrote:
On Nov 18, 11:08 am, wrote:
In b.com,
says...







On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:21:22 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:
On 11/17/11 8:56 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:39:06 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

My neighbor, a snowbird from Germany and I have had this
Apple/PC
argument a few times and the bottom line is, he doesn't want to
know
he has a computer, it is just an appliance to him.
I like computers and I like working with them so it doesn't
bother me
knowing I have a computer..

My iMac has a 27" screen, an intel i7 processor, 16 gigabytes of
RAM, a
one terabyte hard drive and is "served" by an 8 terabyte Synology
server. Gee, I wonder what apps significant to me I can't run on
this
mac and if it is only available under a MS OS, under Windows 7
under
VMware?

For most users, the hardware platform no longer is relevant.

But you don't want to swap a hard drive.

I don't need to...Apple does it for me.
Well that's an inconvenience for you. You have to get out if your
jammies and in to your street clothes toi visit the apple store.

He's too much of a coward to go out of the house. He expected me to
visit his house. Of course, the coward showed his true colors when I
told him I'd meet him anywhere on public property. Notice he's too
scared to accept? Did anyone except Don expect anything other?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well.. I expected you to be hiding behind Snotty's skirt... and looks
like I was right...... as usual!


You gotta love the erroneous conclusions intellectually challenged
posters like iLoogy and iSnotty reach.

For year here I've stated that I wouldn't inconvenience myself by even
crossing a street to meet up with certain posters here. So now one of
the idiots wants me to drive to "public property" to give him the
beating he seeks?

I offered him conditions I said were non-negotiable. Ever since, he's
been trying to negotiate.

The terms:

Presentation in advance of verifiable identification.
Meeting by arrangement.
Meeting here.
No weapons.

Seems simple enough.

His fear of arrest is absurd. He can be more easily arrested on public
property.

He's just a loud-mouthed pussy, just like his buddy iSnotty.

A nice apple story
 

In article dbd92b8c-7329-4091-80bd-7ffe6db2c108
@u37g2000prh.googlegroups.com, says...

On Nov 18, 11:08*am, iBoaterer wrote:
In article ,
says...







On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:21:22 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:
On 11/17/11 8:56 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:39:06 -0500, X ` Man
*wrote:

My neighbor, a snowbird from Germany and I have had this
Apple/PC
argument a few times and the bottom line is, he doesn't want to
know
he has a computer, it is just an appliance to him.
I like computers and I like working with them so it doesn't
bother me
knowing I have a computer..

My iMac has a 27" screen, an intel i7 processor, 16 gigabytes of
RAM, a
one terabyte hard drive and is "served" by an 8 terabyte Synology
server. Gee, I wonder what apps significant to me I can't run on
this
mac and if it is only available under a MS OS, under Windows 7
under
VMware?

For most users, the hardware platform no longer is relevant.

But you don't want to swap a hard drive.

I don't need to...Apple does it for me.
*Well that's an inconvenience for you. You have to get out if your
jammies and in to your street clothes toi visit the apple store.

He's too much of a coward to go out of the house. He expected me to
visit his house. Of course, the coward showed his true colors when I
told him I'd meet him anywhere on public property. Notice he's too
scared to accept? Did anyone except Don expect anything other?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well.. I expected you to be hiding behind Snotty's skirt... and looks
like I was right...... as usual!

WTF are you talking about, Suckling Don the Coward?? I've stated over
and over, I'll meet Harry in a public place, no problem. He's too
cowardly to do such. And you are nothing but his personal butt plug.

A nice apple story
 

On 11/18/2011 10:32 AM, iBoaterer wrote:
In articledbd92b8c-7329-4091-80bd-7ffe6db2c108
@u37g2000prh.googlegroups.com, says...

On Nov 18, 11:08 am, wrote:
In b.com,
says...







On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:21:22 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:
On 11/17/11 8:56 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:39:06 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

My neighbor, a snowbird from Germany and I have had this
Apple/PC
argument a few times and the bottom line is, he doesn't want to
know
he has a computer, it is just an appliance to him.
I like computers and I like working with them so it doesn't
bother me
knowing I have a computer..

My iMac has a 27" screen, an intel i7 processor, 16 gigabytes of
RAM, a
one terabyte hard drive and is "served" by an 8 terabyte Synology
server. Gee, I wonder what apps significant to me I can't run on
this
mac and if it is only available under a MS OS, under Windows 7
under
VMware?

For most users, the hardware platform no longer is relevant.

But you don't want to swap a hard drive.

I don't need to...Apple does it for me.
Well that's an inconvenience for you. You have to get out if your
jammies and in to your street clothes toi visit the apple store.

He's too much of a coward to go out of the house. He expected me to
visit his house. Of course, the coward showed his true colors when I
told him I'd meet him anywhere on public property. Notice he's too
scared to accept? Did anyone except Don expect anything other?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well.. I expected you to be hiding behind Snotty's skirt... and looks
like I was right...... as usual!

WTF are you talking about, Suckling Don the Coward?? I've stated over
and over, I'll meet Harry in a public place, no problem. He's too
cowardly to do such. And you are nothing but his personal butt plug.




Now kids. Don't you guys ever get tired of these middle school back and
forth threats that none of you would ever follow up on?

A nice apple story
 

On Nov 18, 11:43*am, Disgusted wrote:
On 11/18/2011 10:32 AM, iBoaterer wrote:





In articledbd92b8c-7329-4091-80bd-7ffe6db2c108
@u37g2000prh.googlegroups.com, says...

On Nov 18, 11:08 am, *wrote:
In b.com,
says...

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:21:22 -0500, X ` Man
*wrote:
On 11/17/11 8:56 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:39:06 -0500, X ` Man
* *wrote:

My neighbor, a snowbird from Germany and I have had this
Apple/PC
argument a few times and the bottom line is, he doesn't want to
know
he has a computer, it is just an appliance to him.
I like computers and I like working with them so it doesn't
bother me
knowing I have a computer..

My iMac has a 27" screen, an intel i7 processor, 16 gigabytes of
RAM, a
one terabyte hard drive and is "served" by an 8 terabyte Synology
server. Gee, I wonder what apps significant to me I can't run on
this
mac and if it is only available under a MS OS, under Windows 7
under
VMware?

For most users, the hardware platform no longer is relevant.

But you don't want to swap a hard drive.

I don't need to...Apple does it for me.
* Well that's an inconvenience for you. You have to get out if your
jammies and in to your street clothes toi visit the apple store.

He's too much of a coward to go out of the house. He expected me to
visit his house. Of course, the coward showed his true colors when I
told him I'd meet him anywhere on public property. Notice he's too
scared to accept? Did anyone except Don expect anything other?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well.. I expected you to be hiding behind Snotty's skirt... and looks
like I was right...... as usual!

WTF are you talking about, Suckling Don the Coward?? I've stated over
and over, I'll meet Harry in a public place, no problem. He's too
cowardly to do such. And you are nothing but his personal butt plug.

Now kids. *Don't you guys ever get tired of these middle school back and
forth threats that none of you would ever follow up on?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Lucky for those two you're probably right.
I just like to jab at the snarling little dogs to get them frothing at
the mouth.

A nice apple story
 

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 11/18/11 10:13 AM, North Star wrote:
On Nov 18, 11:08 am, wrote:
In b.com,
says...







On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:21:22 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:
On 11/17/11 8:56 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:39:06 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

My neighbor, a snowbird from Germany and I have had this
Apple/PC
argument a few times and the bottom line is, he doesn't want to
know
he has a computer, it is just an appliance to him.
I like computers and I like working with them so it doesn't
bother me
knowing I have a computer..

My iMac has a 27" screen, an intel i7 processor, 16 gigabytes of
RAM, a
one terabyte hard drive and is "served" by an 8 terabyte Synology
server. Gee, I wonder what apps significant to me I can't run on
this
mac and if it is only available under a MS OS, under Windows 7
under
VMware?

For most users, the hardware platform no longer is relevant.

But you don't want to swap a hard drive.

I don't need to...Apple does it for me.
Well that's an inconvenience for you. You have to get out if your
jammies and in to your street clothes toi visit the apple store.

He's too much of a coward to go out of the house. He expected me to
visit his house. Of course, the coward showed his true colors when I
told him I'd meet him anywhere on public property. Notice he's too
scared to accept? Did anyone except Don expect anything other?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well.. I expected you to be hiding behind Snotty's skirt... and looks
like I was right...... as usual!


You gotta love the erroneous conclusions intellectually challenged
posters like iLoogy and iSnotty reach.

For year here I've stated that I wouldn't inconvenience myself by even
crossing a street to meet up with certain posters here. So now one of
the idiots wants me to drive to "public property" to give him the
beating he seeks?

I offered him conditions I said were non-negotiable. Ever since, he's
been trying to negotiate.

The terms:

Presentation in advance of verifiable identification.
Meeting by arrangement.
Meeting here.
No weapons.

Seems simple enough.

His fear of arrest is absurd. He can be more easily arrested on public
property.

He's just a loud-mouthed pussy, just like his buddy iSnotty.

Yep, you're a first class coward all right.

A nice apple story
 

"X ` Man" wrote in message
m...

On 11/17/11 9:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message ...

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:09:01 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I had a choice of drives for my server, so I bought four of these:

Seagate Constellation ES 2 TB Internal hard drive - 300 MBps - 7200 rpm


Seagate/Maxtor is a pretty good drive


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The problem with Apple, at least in former days, was you had to buy the
drive from Apple at excessive price. Same frikken drive as on a PC but
with a unique identifier in the SCSI packet. I designed Maxtor drives
and they were the same exact drive except for the identifier. The
problem with WD drives was getting them to be reliable at 7200 rpm. As
Jim McCoy, Chairman of Maxtor when I worked there, stated, anyone can
build a 3600 rpm drive, hard to handle the head flying and control at
7200 rpm. Lots of turbulence at the extra rpm.

That's no longer the case. You can buy drives in many sizes
from many vendors. I could upgrade the drive in my laptop, for example,
in about 10 minutes.

The server I have is made by Synology, not Apple. There is a long list
of recommended drives you can use with it. The device comes "driveless,"
as it were. Took longer to take the four drives out of their packaging
than it did to install them in the server.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------
But how many of those 7200 rom drives are reliable? As to lots of vendors,
lots. As to manufacturers, shrinking all the time.

A nice apple story
 

On 11/18/2011 10:58 AM, North Star wrote:
On Nov 18, 11:43 am, wrote:
On 11/18/2011 10:32 AM, iBoaterer wrote:





In articledbd92b8c-7329-4091-80bd-7ffe6db2c108
@u37g2000prh.googlegroups.com, says...

On Nov 18, 11:08 am, wrote:
In b.com,
says...

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:21:22 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:
On 11/17/11 8:56 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:39:06 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

My neighbor, a snowbird from Germany and I have had this
Apple/PC
argument a few times and the bottom line is, he doesn't want to
know
he has a computer, it is just an appliance to him.
I like computers and I like working with them so it doesn't
bother me
knowing I have a computer..

My iMac has a 27" screen, an intel i7 processor, 16 gigabytes of
RAM, a
one terabyte hard drive and is "served" by an 8 terabyte Synology
server. Gee, I wonder what apps significant to me I can't run on
this
mac and if it is only available under a MS OS, under Windows 7
under
VMware?

For most users, the hardware platform no longer is relevant.

But you don't want to swap a hard drive.

I don't need to...Apple does it for me.
Well that's an inconvenience for you. You have to get out if your
jammies and in to your street clothes toi visit the apple store.

He's too much of a coward to go out of the house. He expected me to
visit his house. Of course, the coward showed his true colors when I
told him I'd meet him anywhere on public property. Notice he's too
scared to accept? Did anyone except Don expect anything other?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well.. I expected you to be hiding behind Snotty's skirt... and looks
like I was right...... as usual!

WTF are you talking about, Suckling Don the Coward?? I've stated over
and over, I'll meet Harry in a public place, no problem. He's too
cowardly to do such. And you are nothing but his personal butt plug.

Now kids. Don't you guys ever get tired of these middle school back and
forth threats that none of you would ever follow up on?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Lucky for those two you're probably right.
I just like to jab at the snarling little dogs to get them frothing at
the mouth.


Two? I can count more than two.

A nice apple story
 

On 11/18/11 12:37 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:21:22 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

My iMac has a 27" screen, an intel i7 processor, 16 gigabytes of RAM, a
one terabyte hard drive and is "served" by an 8 terabyte Synology
server. Gee, I wonder what apps significant to me I can't run on this
mac and if it is only available under a MS OS, under Windows 7 under
VMware?

For most users, the hardware platform no longer is relevant.


But you don't want to swap a hard drive.


I don't need to...Apple does it for me.

Like I said, for people who don't want to know they have a computer.



Absurd.

A nice apple story
 

On 11/18/11 12:11 PM, Califbill wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message
m...

On 11/17/11 9:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message ...

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:09:01 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I had a choice of drives for my server, so I bought four of these:

Seagate Constellation ES 2 TB Internal hard drive - 300 MBps - 7200 rpm


Seagate/Maxtor is a pretty good drive


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


The problem with Apple, at least in former days, was you had to buy the
drive from Apple at excessive price. Same frikken drive as on a PC but
with a unique identifier in the SCSI packet. I designed Maxtor drives
and they were the same exact drive except for the identifier. The
problem with WD drives was getting them to be reliable at 7200 rpm. As
Jim McCoy, Chairman of Maxtor when I worked there, stated, anyone can
build a 3600 rpm drive, hard to handle the head flying and control at
7200 rpm. Lots of turbulence at the extra rpm.

That's no longer the case. You can buy drives in many sizes
from many vendors. I could upgrade the drive in my laptop, for example,
in about 10 minutes.

The server I have is made by Synology, not Apple. There is a long list
of recommended drives you can use with it. The device comes "driveless,"
as it were. Took longer to take the four drives out of their packaging
than it did to install them in the server.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------
But how many of those 7200 rom drives are reliable? As to lots of
vendors, lots. As to manufacturers, shrinking all the time.


How many decades ago were you designing drives? Isn't it possible drives
have gotten more reliable? In my last Windows PC, I had a 10,000 rpm
drive. It was perfectly reliable.

A nice apple story
 

In article 1a5cad1a-9469-420e-a466-6c186d157715
@y14g2000prf.googlegroups.com, says...

On Nov 18, 11:43*am, Disgusted wrote:
On 11/18/2011 10:32 AM, iBoaterer wrote:





In articledbd92b8c-7329-4091-80bd-7ffe6db2c108
@u37g2000prh.googlegroups.com, says...

On Nov 18, 11:08 am, *wrote:
In b.com,
says...

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:21:22 -0500, X ` Man
*wrote:
On 11/17/11 8:56 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:39:06 -0500, X ` Man
* *wrote:

My neighbor, a snowbird from Germany and I have had this
Apple/PC
argument a few times and the bottom line is, he doesn't want to
know
he has a computer, it is just an appliance to him.
I like computers and I like working with them so it doesn't
bother me
knowing I have a computer..

My iMac has a 27" screen, an intel i7 processor, 16 gigabytes of
RAM, a
one terabyte hard drive and is "served" by an 8 terabyte Synology
server. Gee, I wonder what apps significant to me I can't run on
this
mac and if it is only available under a MS OS, under Windows 7
under
VMware?

For most users, the hardware platform no longer is relevant.

But you don't want to swap a hard drive.

I don't need to...Apple does it for me.
* Well that's an inconvenience for you. You have to get out if your
jammies and in to your street clothes toi visit the apple store.

He's too much of a coward to go out of the house. He expected me to
visit his house. Of course, the coward showed his true colors when I
told him I'd meet him anywhere on public property. Notice he's too
scared to accept? Did anyone except Don expect anything other?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well.. I expected you to be hiding behind Snotty's skirt... and looks
like I was right...... as usual!

WTF are you talking about, Suckling Don the Coward?? I've stated over
and over, I'll meet Harry in a public place, no problem. He's too
cowardly to do such. And you are nothing but his personal butt plug.

Now kids. *Don't you guys ever get tired of these middle school back and
forth threats that none of you would ever follow up on?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Lucky for those two you're probably right.
I just like to jab at the snarling little dogs to get them frothing at
the mouth.

Yeah, while you hide behind usenet, Suckling Don the Coward.

A nice apple story
 

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 11/18/11 12:11 PM, Califbill wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message
m...

On 11/17/11 9:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message ...

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:09:01 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I had a choice of drives for my server, so I bought four of these:

Seagate Constellation ES 2 TB Internal hard drive - 300 MBps - 7200 rpm


Seagate/Maxtor is a pretty good drive


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


The problem with Apple, at least in former days, was you had to buy the
drive from Apple at excessive price. Same frikken drive as on a PC but
with a unique identifier in the SCSI packet. I designed Maxtor drives
and they were the same exact drive except for the identifier. The
problem with WD drives was getting them to be reliable at 7200 rpm. As
Jim McCoy, Chairman of Maxtor when I worked there, stated, anyone can
build a 3600 rpm drive, hard to handle the head flying and control at
7200 rpm. Lots of turbulence at the extra rpm.

That's no longer the case. You can buy drives in many sizes
from many vendors. I could upgrade the drive in my laptop, for example,
in about 10 minutes.

The server I have is made by Synology, not Apple. There is a long list
of recommended drives you can use with it. The device comes "driveless,"
as it were. Took longer to take the four drives out of their packaging
than it did to install them in the server.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------
But how many of those 7200 rom drives are reliable? As to lots of
vendors, lots. As to manufacturers, shrinking all the time.


How many decades ago were you designing drives? Isn't it possible drives
have gotten more reliable? In my last Windows PC, I had a 10,000 rpm
drive. It was perfectly reliable.

Perfectly reliable??? NO mechanical device is 100% reliable, dip****.

A nice apple story
 

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 11/18/11 12:37 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:21:22 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

My iMac has a 27" screen, an intel i7 processor, 16 gigabytes of RAM, a
one terabyte hard drive and is "served" by an 8 terabyte Synology
server. Gee, I wonder what apps significant to me I can't run on this
mac and if it is only available under a MS OS, under Windows 7 under
VMware?

For most users, the hardware platform no longer is relevant.


But you don't want to swap a hard drive.


I don't need to...Apple does it for me.

Like I said, for people who don't want to know they have a computer.



Absurd.

No, but maybe behind the times.
It used to be that Apple was like taking a taxi everywhere, and Windows
was basically driving and maintaining your own car.
In terms of the OS, since Windows 7, and to some extent XP, that's
changed.
I've never had to tinker with Windows 7 - not a bit.
I don't know anything about Apple hardware.
I do know that with my Windows systems I can pick and choose among many
vendors to change hardware parts, and improve or fix anything myself
without relying on one vendor.
Pretty much like I can select the type of oil and filters for my car.
Or soup it up.
It's an "ownership" thing.
Saying "I don't need to...Apple does it for me." is no different than
saying "Call a cab, I got no car keys."

A nice apple story
 

On 11/18/11 2:27 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In , dump-on-
says...

On 11/18/11 12:37 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:21:22 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

My iMac has a 27" screen, an intel i7 processor, 16 gigabytes of RAM, a
one terabyte hard drive and is "served" by an 8 terabyte Synology
server. Gee, I wonder what apps significant to me I can't run on this
mac and if it is only available under a MS OS, under Windows 7 under
VMware?

For most users, the hardware platform no longer is relevant.


But you don't want to swap a hard drive.


I don't need to...Apple does it for me.

Like I said, for people who don't want to know they have a computer.



Absurd.

No, but maybe behind the times.
It used to be that Apple was like taking a taxi everywhere, and Windows
was basically driving and maintaining your own car.
In terms of the OS, since Windows 7, and to some extent XP, that's
changed.
I've never had to tinker with Windows 7 - not a bit.
I don't know anything about Apple hardware.
I do know that with my Windows systems I can pick and choose among many
vendors to change hardware parts, and improve or fix anything myself
without relying on one vendor.
Pretty much like I can select the type of oil and filters for my car.
Or soup it up.
It's an "ownership" thing.
Saying "I don't need to...Apple does it for me." is no different than
saying "Call a cab, I got no car keys."




There are very few "user replaceable" pieces and parts on Apple iMacs
and laptop. You can swap out stuff more easily on the big box mac, which
looks like a PC in a super designed and finished box.

I can change out the hard drive, memory chips, and DVD drive on my
macbook pro laptop without much effort. There are many vendors for
these. I can also replace the hard drive with an SSD "drive," or put a
drive doubler in. What else would there be for an end-used to change in
a laptop? Not much.

On my iMac, I can change out memory chips for those of other vendors. I
can change out the hard drive. I can change out the DVD drive. I can
obviously use some other vendor's keyboards, which, in fact, I do (USB
keyboards). What's left, changing out the video chips? Probably not.
It's already got an intel iT CPU. If there is a major CPU upgrade next
year, I'll probably sell this iMac for a good price and get the latest
model.

Oh...I can remove and replace shingles on our roof...but I don't need to...

A nice apple story
 

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 11/18/11 2:27 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In , dump-on-
says...

On 11/18/11 12:37 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:21:22 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

My iMac has a 27" screen, an intel i7 processor, 16 gigabytes of RAM, a
one terabyte hard drive and is "served" by an 8 terabyte Synology
server. Gee, I wonder what apps significant to me I can't run on this
mac and if it is only available under a MS OS, under Windows 7 under
VMware?

For most users, the hardware platform no longer is relevant.


But you don't want to swap a hard drive.


I don't need to...Apple does it for me.

Like I said, for people who don't want to know they have a computer.



Absurd.

No, but maybe behind the times.
It used to be that Apple was like taking a taxi everywhere, and Windows
was basically driving and maintaining your own car.
In terms of the OS, since Windows 7, and to some extent XP, that's
changed.
I've never had to tinker with Windows 7 - not a bit.
I don't know anything about Apple hardware.
I do know that with my Windows systems I can pick and choose among many
vendors to change hardware parts, and improve or fix anything myself
without relying on one vendor.
Pretty much like I can select the type of oil and filters for my car.
Or soup it up.
It's an "ownership" thing.
Saying "I don't need to...Apple does it for me." is no different than
saying "Call a cab, I got no car keys."




There are very few "user replaceable" pieces and parts on Apple iMacs
and laptop. You can swap out stuff more easily on the big box mac, which
looks like a PC in a super designed and finished box.

I can change out the hard drive, memory chips, and DVD drive on my
macbook pro laptop without much effort. There are many vendors for
these. I can also replace the hard drive with an SSD "drive," or put a
drive doubler in. What else would there be for an end-used to change in
a laptop? Not much.

On my iMac, I can change out memory chips for those of other vendors. I
can change out the hard drive. I can change out the DVD drive. I can
obviously use some other vendor's keyboards, which, in fact, I do (USB
keyboards). What's left, changing out the video chips? Probably not.
It's already got an intel iT CPU. If there is a major CPU upgrade next
year, I'll probably sell this iMac for a good price and get the latest
model.

Oh...I can remove and replace shingles on our roof...but I don't need to...

Ever?

A nice apple story
 

On 11/18/2011 2:52 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article1dOdna1n0Iq2KVvTnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on-
says...

On 11/18/11 2:27 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In , dump-on-
says...

On 11/18/11 12:37 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:21:22 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

My iMac has a 27" screen, an intel i7 processor, 16 gigabytes of RAM, a
one terabyte hard drive and is "served" by an 8 terabyte Synology
server. Gee, I wonder what apps significant to me I can't run on this
mac and if it is only available under a MS OS, under Windows 7 under
VMware?

For most users, the hardware platform no longer is relevant.


But you don't want to swap a hard drive.


I don't need to...Apple does it for me.

Like I said, for people who don't want to know they have a computer.



Absurd.

No, but maybe behind the times.
It used to be that Apple was like taking a taxi everywhere, and Windows
was basically driving and maintaining your own car.
In terms of the OS, since Windows 7, and to some extent XP, that's
changed.
I've never had to tinker with Windows 7 - not a bit.
I don't know anything about Apple hardware.
I do know that with my Windows systems I can pick and choose among many
vendors to change hardware parts, and improve or fix anything myself
without relying on one vendor.
Pretty much like I can select the type of oil and filters for my car.
Or soup it up.
It's an "ownership" thing.
Saying "I don't need to...Apple does it for me." is no different than
saying "Call a cab, I got no car keys."




There are very few "user replaceable" pieces and parts on Apple iMacs
and laptop. You can swap out stuff more easily on the big box mac, which
looks like a PC in a super designed and finished box.

I can change out the hard drive, memory chips, and DVD drive on my
macbook pro laptop without much effort. There are many vendors for
these. I can also replace the hard drive with an SSD "drive," or put a
drive doubler in. What else would there be for an end-used to change in
a laptop? Not much.

On my iMac, I can change out memory chips for those of other vendors. I
can change out the hard drive. I can change out the DVD drive. I can
obviously use some other vendor's keyboards, which, in fact, I do (USB
keyboards). What's left, changing out the video chips? Probably not.
It's already got an intel iT CPU. If there is a major CPU upgrade next
year, I'll probably sell this iMac for a good price and get the latest
model.

Oh...I can remove and replace shingles on our roof...but I don't need to...

Ever?

More lies. First off it's *her* roof. AND!
He's too old and fat to be climbing on a roof.

--
1-20-13 The end of an error

A nice apple story
 

On 11/18/11 3:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 13:27:31 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

In , dump-on-
says...

On 11/18/11 12:37 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:21:22 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

My iMac has a 27" screen, an intel i7 processor, 16 gigabytes of RAM, a
one terabyte hard drive and is "served" by an 8 terabyte Synology
server. Gee, I wonder what apps significant to me I can't run on this
mac and if it is only available under a MS OS, under Windows 7 under
VMware?

For most users, the hardware platform no longer is relevant.


But you don't want to swap a hard drive.


I don't need to...Apple does it for me.

Like I said, for people who don't want to know they have a computer.



Absurd.

No, but maybe behind the times.
It used to be that Apple was like taking a taxi everywhere, and Windows
was basically driving and maintaining your own car.
In terms of the OS, since Windows 7, and to some extent XP, that's
changed.
I've never had to tinker with Windows 7 - not a bit.
I don't know anything about Apple hardware.
I do know that with my Windows systems I can pick and choose among many
vendors to change hardware parts, and improve or fix anything myself
without relying on one vendor.
Pretty much like I can select the type of oil and filters for my car.
Or soup it up.
It's an "ownership" thing.
Saying "I don't need to...Apple does it for me." is no different than
saying "Call a cab, I got no car keys."



I look at it as Windoze lets you do things that Bill Gates did not
think you would ever want to and Apple simply tells you what Steve
Jobs allows you to do.

If I am willing to look around a little I can find a driver for just
about any kind of obscure hardware and the world is flush with windows
software.
I do like playing with the hardware tho.
I can understand people who just want to cut open the box and start
using their machine but you pay in spades for that and you plod along
a pretty narrow path. If that is where you want to go, it is good for
you.


You're a computer hobbyist. I am not. I earn my living as a writer with
my apple computers. I expect them to work and allow me to use my word
processors, printers, web clients, email clients, fax, whatever, without
any serious glitches. If my desktop apple craps out on me (as it did the
other day when the hard drive failed), I expect to be able to turn on my
backup macbook pro and continue where I left off. I can do this because
I back up work files fairly continuously, even as I work on them.

I have no reason to futz around with obscure hardware. If I want to do
that, I'll take apart and clean a fishing reel.

A nice apple story
 

In article m,
says...

On 11/18/2011 2:52 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In article1dOdna1n0Iq2KVvTnZ2dnUVZ_q6dnZ2d@earthlink .com, dump-on-
says...

On 11/18/11 2:27 PM, Boating All Out wrote:
In , dump-on-
says...

On 11/18/11 12:37 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:21:22 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

My iMac has a 27" screen, an intel i7 processor, 16 gigabytes of RAM, a
one terabyte hard drive and is "served" by an 8 terabyte Synology
server. Gee, I wonder what apps significant to me I can't run on this
mac and if it is only available under a MS OS, under Windows 7 under
VMware?

For most users, the hardware platform no longer is relevant.


But you don't want to swap a hard drive.


I don't need to...Apple does it for me.

Like I said, for people who don't want to know they have a computer.



Absurd.

No, but maybe behind the times.
It used to be that Apple was like taking a taxi everywhere, and Windows
was basically driving and maintaining your own car.
In terms of the OS, since Windows 7, and to some extent XP, that's
changed.
I've never had to tinker with Windows 7 - not a bit.
I don't know anything about Apple hardware.
I do know that with my Windows systems I can pick and choose among many
vendors to change hardware parts, and improve or fix anything myself
without relying on one vendor.
Pretty much like I can select the type of oil and filters for my car.
Or soup it up.
It's an "ownership" thing.
Saying "I don't need to...Apple does it for me." is no different than
saying "Call a cab, I got no car keys."




There are very few "user replaceable" pieces and parts on Apple iMacs
and laptop. You can swap out stuff more easily on the big box mac, which
looks like a PC in a super designed and finished box.

I can change out the hard drive, memory chips, and DVD drive on my
macbook pro laptop without much effort. There are many vendors for
these. I can also replace the hard drive with an SSD "drive," or put a
drive doubler in. What else would there be for an end-used to change in
a laptop? Not much.

On my iMac, I can change out memory chips for those of other vendors. I
can change out the hard drive. I can change out the DVD drive. I can
obviously use some other vendor's keyboards, which, in fact, I do (USB
keyboards). What's left, changing out the video chips? Probably not.
It's already got an intel iT CPU. If there is a major CPU upgrade next
year, I'll probably sell this iMac for a good price and get the latest
model.

Oh...I can remove and replace shingles on our roof...but I don't need to...

Ever?

More lies. First off it's *her* roof. AND!
He's too old and fat to be climbing on a roof.

I'd like to know what is so special about his roof shingles if the never
need to be replaced!

A nice apple story
 

In article ,
says...

On 11/18/11 3:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 13:27:31 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

In , dump-on-
says...

On 11/18/11 12:37 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:21:22 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

My iMac has a 27" screen, an intel i7 processor, 16 gigabytes of RAM, a
one terabyte hard drive and is "served" by an 8 terabyte Synology
server. Gee, I wonder what apps significant to me I can't run on this
mac and if it is only available under a MS OS, under Windows 7 under
VMware?

For most users, the hardware platform no longer is relevant.


But you don't want to swap a hard drive.


I don't need to...Apple does it for me.

Like I said, for people who don't want to know they have a computer.



Absurd.

No, but maybe behind the times.
It used to be that Apple was like taking a taxi everywhere, and Windows
was basically driving and maintaining your own car.
In terms of the OS, since Windows 7, and to some extent XP, that's
changed.
I've never had to tinker with Windows 7 - not a bit.
I don't know anything about Apple hardware.
I do know that with my Windows systems I can pick and choose among many
vendors to change hardware parts, and improve or fix anything myself
without relying on one vendor.
Pretty much like I can select the type of oil and filters for my car.
Or soup it up.
It's an "ownership" thing.
Saying "I don't need to...Apple does it for me." is no different than
saying "Call a cab, I got no car keys."



I look at it as Windoze lets you do things that Bill Gates did not
think you would ever want to and Apple simply tells you what Steve
Jobs allows you to do.

If I am willing to look around a little I can find a driver for just
about any kind of obscure hardware and the world is flush with windows
software.
I do like playing with the hardware tho.
I can understand people who just want to cut open the box and start
using their machine but you pay in spades for that and you plod along
a pretty narrow path. If that is where you want to go, it is good for
you.


You're a computer hobbyist. I am not. I earn my living as a writer with
my apple computers. I expect them to work and allow me to use my word
processors, printers, web clients, email clients, fax, whatever, without
any serious glitches. If my desktop apple craps out on me (as it did the
other day when the hard drive failed), I expect to be able to turn on my
backup macbook pro and continue where I left off. I can do this because
I back up work files fairly continuously, even as I work on them.

I have no reason to futz around with obscure hardware. If I want to do
that, I'll take apart and clean a fishing reel.

Fax? In 2011???

A nice apple story
 

On 11/18/11 3:55 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 14:38:19 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

There are very few "user replaceable" pieces and parts on Apple iMacs
and laptop.

I agree all laptops are proprietary and there are few compatible
parts, even among laptops from the same company.
I have a few Dell laptops because they are usually cheaper, used, than
other brands. I wanted to swap out the HV power supply to the display
between 2 Dells that look virtually identical and they are completely
different parts. I know the IBM Think pads had very few compatible
parts between models.
It is why I like desk tops (except Dell) They all user the same basic
parts. I have a couple Dell desk tops that I was given and the most
valuable part for me is the XP Pro COA sticker. Bill has finally
decided it is OK to move the OS without calling them with a story.
They flow right through the online authorization.

I like desktops, too, but it's hard to get one into my messenger bag.

There's an iPad III coming out right after the beginning of the year.
Depending upon what it offers, I might get one...even easier to lug
around when I have to lug around a computer to check emails, do a little
editing of manuscripts, et cetera. I have a small, bluetooth Apple
keyboard stuffed away and the iPads work with them. To me, it's a better
alternative than the onscreen keyboards of these devices.

A nice apple story
 

On 11/18/11 5:02 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:57:07 -0500, wrote:

In ,


You're a computer hobbyist. I am not. I earn my living as a writer with
my apple computers. I expect them to work and allow me to use my word
processors, printers, web clients, email clients, fax, whatever, without
any serious glitches. If my desktop apple craps out on me (as it did the
other day when the hard drive failed), I expect to be able to turn on my
backup macbook pro and continue where I left off. I can do this because
I back up work files fairly continuously, even as I work on them.

I have no reason to futz around with obscure hardware. If I want to do
that, I'll take apart and clean a fishing reel.

Fax? In 2011???

The building industry still runs on Fax machines


I have a couple of long-time clients who prefer to use faxes. I don't
have a problem with receiving or sending them. I also prefer to read
books as books, not as electronic files on a reader.

A nice apple story
 

On 11/18/11 5:05 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:52:46 -0500, X `
wrote:

I look at it as Windoze lets you do things that Bill Gates did not
think you would ever want to and Apple simply tells you what Steve
Jobs allows you to do.

If I am willing to look around a little I can find a driver for just
about any kind of obscure hardware and the world is flush with windows
software.
I do like playing with the hardware tho.
I can understand people who just want to cut open the box and start
using their machine but you pay in spades for that and you plod along
a pretty narrow path. If that is where you want to go, it is good for
you.


You're a computer hobbyist. I am not. I earn my living as a writer with
my apple computers. I expect them to work and allow me to use my word
processors, printers, web clients, email clients, fax, whatever, without
any serious glitches. If my desktop apple craps out on me (as it did the
other day when the hard drive failed), I expect to be able to turn on my
backup macbook pro and continue where I left off. I can do this because
I back up work files fairly continuously, even as I work on them.

I have no reason to futz around with obscure hardware. If I want to do
that, I'll take apart and clean a fishing reel.


Like I said, you don't want to know you have a computer. You just want
an appliance.

OTOH I have never had a reason to take a fishing reel apart. ;-)

It's a lot more difficult than swapping out a hard drive or video card.

I take mine apart at least once a season to clean out any goop and
relube them.

A nice apple story
 

On 11/18/11 8:06 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:08:42 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

On 11/18/11 5:05 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:52:46 -0500, X `

Like I said, you don't want to know you have a computer. You just want
an appliance.

OTOH I have never had a reason to take a fishing reel apart. ;-)

It's a lot more difficult than swapping out a hard drive or video card.

I take mine apart at least once a season to clean out any goop and
relube them.

I don't fish enough to gunk up a reel and these days it is all fresh
water. I really can't imagine taking a reel apart is any harder than
pulling a bearing carrier or rebuilding a tilt and trim unit tho.


The reels have a plethora of teeny tiny pieces and parts.

A nice apple story
 

North Star wrote:
Lucky for those two you're probably right.
I just like to jab at the snarling little dogs to get them frothing at
the mouth.
So you lied about staying here to improve the newsgroup? You are a
first class asshole with a ******** for a home, Don.

-HB (Collecting pistachio cash!)

A nice apple story
 

On 11/18/2011 9:02 PM, Honey Badger wrote:
North Star wrote:
Lucky for those two you're probably right.
I just like to jab at the snarling little dogs to get them frothing at
the mouth.
So you lied about staying here to improve the newsgroup? You are a first
class asshole with a ******** for a home, Don.

-HB (Collecting pistachio cash!)

Pffffttt. He sits here all day trying to make himself feel like a real
man... snerk We all know he has gender insecurity;)

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"X ` Man" wrote in message
...

On 11/18/11 12:11 PM, Califbill wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message
m...

On 11/17/11 9:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message ...

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:09:01 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I had a choice of drives for my server, so I bought four of these:

Seagate Constellation ES 2 TB Internal hard drive - 300 MBps - 7200 rpm


Seagate/Maxtor is a pretty good drive


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


The problem with Apple, at least in former days, was you had to buy the
drive from Apple at excessive price. Same frikken drive as on a PC but
with a unique identifier in the SCSI packet. I designed Maxtor drives
and they were the same exact drive except for the identifier. The
problem with WD drives was getting them to be reliable at 7200 rpm. As
Jim McCoy, Chairman of Maxtor when I worked there, stated, anyone can
build a 3600 rpm drive, hard to handle the head flying and control at
7200 rpm. Lots of turbulence at the extra rpm.

That's no longer the case. You can buy drives in many sizes
from many vendors. I could upgrade the drive in my laptop, for example,
in about 10 minutes.

The server I have is made by Synology, not Apple. There is a long list
of recommended drives you can use with it. The device comes "driveless,"
as it were. Took longer to take the four drives out of their packaging
than it did to install them in the server.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------
But how many of those 7200 rom drives are reliable? As to lots of
vendors, lots. As to manufacturers, shrinking all the time.


How many decades ago were you designing drives? Isn't it possible drives
have gotten more reliable? In my last Windows PC, I had a 10,000 rpm
drive. It was perfectly reliable.


===================================
10 years ago. But still the mechanical problems rule. And if they were
perfectly reliable, you would not have to had a drive replaced. Still the
problems go up exponentially with speed. They fly closer now and more
turbulence with speed. Semi contact is almost the norm now. The error
correction helps immensely but there are still media problems. One of the
reasons I have a patent is on defect scanning. I wrote a lot of the defect
self scanning firmware for Maxtor. Interface code for Ministore and DSP
control code for Samsung and as an Apps engineer for the DSP supplier. The
higher speed and higher density makes for probably the same reliability we
had all through the 90's. Which was a lot more than the CDC, IBM and NCR
removable media 14" drives.

A nice apple story
 

"X ` Man" wrote in message ...

On 11/18/11 3:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 13:27:31 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

In , dump-on-
says...

On 11/18/11 12:37 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:21:22 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

My iMac has a 27" screen, an intel i7 processor, 16 gigabytes of
RAM, a
one terabyte hard drive and is "served" by an 8 terabyte Synology
server. Gee, I wonder what apps significant to me I can't run on
this
mac and if it is only available under a MS OS, under Windows 7 under
VMware?

For most users, the hardware platform no longer is relevant.


But you don't want to swap a hard drive.


I don't need to...Apple does it for me.

Like I said, for people who don't want to know they have a computer.



Absurd.

No, but maybe behind the times.
It used to be that Apple was like taking a taxi everywhere, and Windows
was basically driving and maintaining your own car.
In terms of the OS, since Windows 7, and to some extent XP, that's
changed.
I've never had to tinker with Windows 7 - not a bit.
I don't know anything about Apple hardware.
I do know that with my Windows systems I can pick and choose among many
vendors to change hardware parts, and improve or fix anything myself
without relying on one vendor.
Pretty much like I can select the type of oil and filters for my car.
Or soup it up.
It's an "ownership" thing.
Saying "I don't need to...Apple does it for me." is no different than
saying "Call a cab, I got no car keys."



I look at it as Windoze lets you do things that Bill Gates did not
think you would ever want to and Apple simply tells you what Steve
Jobs allows you to do.

If I am willing to look around a little I can find a driver for just
about any kind of obscure hardware and the world is flush with windows
software.
I do like playing with the hardware tho.
I can understand people who just want to cut open the box and start
using their machine but you pay in spades for that and you plod along
a pretty narrow path. If that is where you want to go, it is good for
you.


You're a computer hobbyist. I am not. I earn my living as a writer with
my apple computers. I expect them to work and allow me to use my word
processors, printers, web clients, email clients, fax, whatever, without
any serious glitches. If my desktop apple craps out on me (as it did the
other day when the hard drive failed), I expect to be able to turn on my
backup macbook pro and continue where I left off. I can do this because
I back up work files fairly continuously, even as I work on them.

I have no reason to futz around with obscure hardware. If I want to do
that, I'll take apart and clean a fishing reel.


================================================== ==========================
The problem with the Apple computers years ago, and probably now, is was
hard to interface a non apple board to the system. We used lots of PC's in
the engineering departments to run ROM emulators, Logic tracers, Bit Slice
controls etc. Was and is a major reason that Apple has had a hard time
taking over as the dominant small computer.

A nice apple story
 

On 11/18/2011 11:07 PM, Califbill wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message ...

On 11/18/11 3:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 13:27:31 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

In , dump-on-
says...

On 11/18/11 12:37 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:21:22 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

My iMac has a 27" screen, an intel i7 processor, 16 gigabytes of
RAM, a
one terabyte hard drive and is "served" by an 8 terabyte Synology
server. Gee, I wonder what apps significant to me I can't run on
this
mac and if it is only available under a MS OS, under Windows 7
under
VMware?

For most users, the hardware platform no longer is relevant.


But you don't want to swap a hard drive.


I don't need to...Apple does it for me.

Like I said, for people who don't want to know they have a computer.



Absurd.

No, but maybe behind the times.
It used to be that Apple was like taking a taxi everywhere, and Windows
was basically driving and maintaining your own car.
In terms of the OS, since Windows 7, and to some extent XP, that's
changed.
I've never had to tinker with Windows 7 - not a bit.
I don't know anything about Apple hardware.
I do know that with my Windows systems I can pick and choose among many
vendors to change hardware parts, and improve or fix anything myself
without relying on one vendor.
Pretty much like I can select the type of oil and filters for my car.
Or soup it up.
It's an "ownership" thing.
Saying "I don't need to...Apple does it for me." is no different than
saying "Call a cab, I got no car keys."



I look at it as Windoze lets you do things that Bill Gates did not
think you would ever want to and Apple simply tells you what Steve
Jobs allows you to do.

If I am willing to look around a little I can find a driver for just
about any kind of obscure hardware and the world is flush with windows
software.
I do like playing with the hardware tho.
I can understand people who just want to cut open the box and start
using their machine but you pay in spades for that and you plod along
a pretty narrow path. If that is where you want to go, it is good for
you.


You're a computer hobbyist. I am not. I earn my living as a writer with
my apple computers. I expect them to work and allow me to use my word
processors, printers, web clients, email clients, fax, whatever, without
any serious glitches. If my desktop apple craps out on me (as it did the
other day when the hard drive failed), I expect to be able to turn on my
backup macbook pro and continue where I left off. I can do this because
I back up work files fairly continuously, even as I work on them.

I have no reason to futz around with obscure hardware. If I want to do
that, I'll take apart and clean a fishing reel.


================================================== ==========================

The problem with the Apple computers years ago, and probably now, is was
hard to interface a non apple board to the system. We used lots of PC's
in the engineering departments to run ROM emulators, Logic tracers, Bit
Slice controls etc. Was and is a major reason that Apple has had a hard
time taking over as the dominant small computer.


Yup, they are great if you are trolling the internet all day long, and
putting up pictures of the family cat... If you are doing business, you
want a PC...

A nice apple story
 

On 11/18/11 11:02 PM, Califbill wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message
...

On 11/18/11 12:11 PM, Califbill wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message
m...

On 11/17/11 9:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message ...

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:09:01 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I had a choice of drives for my server, so I bought four of these:

Seagate Constellation ES 2 TB Internal hard drive - 300 MBps - 7200 rpm


Seagate/Maxtor is a pretty good drive


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



The problem with Apple, at least in former days, was you had to buy the
drive from Apple at excessive price. Same frikken drive as on a PC but
with a unique identifier in the SCSI packet. I designed Maxtor drives
and they were the same exact drive except for the identifier. The
problem with WD drives was getting them to be reliable at 7200 rpm. As
Jim McCoy, Chairman of Maxtor when I worked there, stated, anyone can
build a 3600 rpm drive, hard to handle the head flying and control at
7200 rpm. Lots of turbulence at the extra rpm.

That's no longer the case. You can buy drives in many sizes
from many vendors. I could upgrade the drive in my laptop, for example,
in about 10 minutes.

The server I have is made by Synology, not Apple. There is a long list
of recommended drives you can use with it. The device comes "driveless,"
as it were. Took longer to take the four drives out of their packaging
than it did to install them in the server.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------

But how many of those 7200 rom drives are reliable? As to lots of
vendors, lots. As to manufacturers, shrinking all the time.


How many decades ago were you designing drives? Isn't it possible drives
have gotten more reliable? In my last Windows PC, I had a 10,000 rpm
drive. It was perfectly reliable.


===================================
10 years ago. But still the mechanical problems rule. And if they were
perfectly reliable, you would not have to had a drive replaced. Still
the problems go up exponentially with speed. They fly closer now and
more turbulence with speed. Semi contact is almost the norm now. The
error correction helps immensely but there are still media problems. One
of the reasons I have a patent is on defect scanning. I wrote a lot of
the defect self scanning firmware for Maxtor. Interface code for
Ministore and DSP control code for Samsung and as an Apps engineer for
the DSP supplier. The higher speed and higher density makes for probably
the same reliability we had all through the 90's. Which was a lot more
than the CDC, IBM and NCR removable media 14" drives.


The drive that failed, according to the techs who messed with it,
checked out ok, but there was someone written on it by software that
they couldn't reach...or some explanation like that. In any event, it
was the only hard drive that went teats up on me since 1984-85.

A nice apple story
 

On 11/18/11 11:17 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 11/18/2011 11:07 PM, Califbill wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message ...

On 11/18/11 3:42 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 13:27:31 -0600, Boating All Out
wrote:

In , dump-on-
says...

On 11/18/11 12:37 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:21:22 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

My iMac has a 27" screen, an intel i7 processor, 16 gigabytes of
RAM, a
one terabyte hard drive and is "served" by an 8 terabyte Synology
server. Gee, I wonder what apps significant to me I can't run on
this
mac and if it is only available under a MS OS, under Windows 7
under
VMware?

For most users, the hardware platform no longer is relevant.


But you don't want to swap a hard drive.


I don't need to...Apple does it for me.

Like I said, for people who don't want to know they have a computer.



Absurd.

No, but maybe behind the times.
It used to be that Apple was like taking a taxi everywhere, and Windows
was basically driving and maintaining your own car.
In terms of the OS, since Windows 7, and to some extent XP, that's
changed.
I've never had to tinker with Windows 7 - not a bit.
I don't know anything about Apple hardware.
I do know that with my Windows systems I can pick and choose among many
vendors to change hardware parts, and improve or fix anything myself
without relying on one vendor.
Pretty much like I can select the type of oil and filters for my car.
Or soup it up.
It's an "ownership" thing.
Saying "I don't need to...Apple does it for me." is no different than
saying "Call a cab, I got no car keys."



I look at it as Windoze lets you do things that Bill Gates did not
think you would ever want to and Apple simply tells you what Steve
Jobs allows you to do.

If I am willing to look around a little I can find a driver for just
about any kind of obscure hardware and the world is flush with windows
software.
I do like playing with the hardware tho.
I can understand people who just want to cut open the box and start
using their machine but you pay in spades for that and you plod along
a pretty narrow path. If that is where you want to go, it is good for
you.


You're a computer hobbyist. I am not. I earn my living as a writer with
my apple computers. I expect them to work and allow me to use my word
processors, printers, web clients, email clients, fax, whatever, without
any serious glitches. If my desktop apple craps out on me (as it did the
other day when the hard drive failed), I expect to be able to turn on my
backup macbook pro and continue where I left off. I can do this because
I back up work files fairly continuously, even as I work on them.

I have no reason to futz around with obscure hardware. If I want to do
that, I'll take apart and clean a fishing reel.


================================================== ==========================


The problem with the Apple computers years ago, and probably now, is was
hard to interface a non apple board to the system. We used lots of PC's
in the engineering departments to run ROM emulators, Logic tracers, Bit
Slice controls etc. Was and is a major reason that Apple has had a hard
time taking over as the dominant small computer.


Yup, they are great if you are trolling the internet all day long, and
putting up pictures of the family cat... If you are doing business, you
want a PC...



Yeah, you need a PC to post amateur movies of crippled motorbike racers.

A nice apple story
 

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:57:07 -0500, iBoaterer wrote:

In article ,


You're a computer hobbyist. I am not. I earn my living as a writer with
my apple computers. I expect them to work and allow me to use my word
processors, printers, web clients, email clients, fax, whatever, without
any serious glitches. If my desktop apple craps out on me (as it did the
other day when the hard drive failed), I expect to be able to turn on my
backup macbook pro and continue where I left off. I can do this because
I back up work files fairly continuously, even as I work on them.

I have no reason to futz around with obscure hardware. If I want to do
that, I'll take apart and clean a fishing reel.

Fax? In 2011???

The building industry still runs on Fax machines

I'm in the "building industry" and probably haven't sent nor received a
fax in a couple of years at least. PDF's.

A nice apple story
 

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:52:46 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I look at it as Windoze lets you do things that Bill Gates did not
think you would ever want to and Apple simply tells you what Steve
Jobs allows you to do.

If I am willing to look around a little I can find a driver for just
about any kind of obscure hardware and the world is flush with windows
software.
I do like playing with the hardware tho.
I can understand people who just want to cut open the box and start
using their machine but you pay in spades for that and you plod along
a pretty narrow path. If that is where you want to go, it is good for
you.


You're a computer hobbyist. I am not. I earn my living as a writer with
my apple computers. I expect them to work and allow me to use my word
processors, printers, web clients, email clients, fax, whatever, without
any serious glitches. If my desktop apple craps out on me (as it did the
other day when the hard drive failed), I expect to be able to turn on my
backup macbook pro and continue where I left off. I can do this because
I back up work files fairly continuously, even as I work on them.

I have no reason to futz around with obscure hardware. If I want to do
that, I'll take apart and clean a fishing reel.


Like I said, you don't want to know you have a computer. You just want
an appliance.

OTOH I have never had a reason to take a fishing reel apart. ;-)

Gee, at one time, Harry claimed right here in rec.boats that he was the
resident computer guru and no one else knew anything! He even claimed
that Microsoft was sending him pre-beta software to test!

A nice apple story
 

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 11/18/11 5:05 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:52:46 -0500, X `
wrote:

I look at it as Windoze lets you do things that Bill Gates did not
think you would ever want to and Apple simply tells you what Steve
Jobs allows you to do.

If I am willing to look around a little I can find a driver for just
about any kind of obscure hardware and the world is flush with windows
software.
I do like playing with the hardware tho.
I can understand people who just want to cut open the box and start
using their machine but you pay in spades for that and you plod along
a pretty narrow path. If that is where you want to go, it is good for
you.


You're a computer hobbyist. I am not. I earn my living as a writer with
my apple computers. I expect them to work and allow me to use my word
processors, printers, web clients, email clients, fax, whatever, without
any serious glitches. If my desktop apple craps out on me (as it did the
other day when the hard drive failed), I expect to be able to turn on my
backup macbook pro and continue where I left off. I can do this because
I back up work files fairly continuously, even as I work on them.

I have no reason to futz around with obscure hardware. If I want to do
that, I'll take apart and clean a fishing reel.


Like I said, you don't want to know you have a computer. You just want
an appliance.

OTOH I have never had a reason to take a fishing reel apart. ;-)

It's a lot more difficult than swapping out a hard drive or video card.

I take mine apart at least once a season to clean out any goop and
relube them.

Once a month.... snerk

A nice apple story
 

In article , dump-on-
says...

On 11/18/11 11:02 PM, Califbill wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message
...

On 11/18/11 12:11 PM, Califbill wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message
m...

On 11/17/11 9:38 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote in message ...

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:09:01 -0500, X ` Man
wrote:

I had a choice of drives for my server, so I bought four of these:

Seagate Constellation ES 2 TB Internal hard drive - 300 MBps - 7200 rpm


Seagate/Maxtor is a pretty good drive


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



The problem with Apple, at least in former days, was you had to buy the
drive from Apple at excessive price. Same frikken drive as on a PC but
with a unique identifier in the SCSI packet. I designed Maxtor drives
and they were the same exact drive except for the identifier. The
problem with WD drives was getting them to be reliable at 7200 rpm. As
Jim McCoy, Chairman of Maxtor when I worked there, stated, anyone can
build a 3600 rpm drive, hard to handle the head flying and control at
7200 rpm. Lots of turbulence at the extra rpm.

That's no longer the case. You can buy drives in many sizes
from many vendors. I could upgrade the drive in my laptop, for example,
in about 10 minutes.

The server I have is made by Synology, not Apple. There is a long list
of recommended drives you can use with it. The device comes "driveless,"
as it were. Took longer to take the four drives out of their packaging
than it did to install them in the server.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------

But how many of those 7200 rom drives are reliable? As to lots of
vendors, lots. As to manufacturers, shrinking all the time.


How many decades ago were you designing drives? Isn't it possible drives
have gotten more reliable? In my last Windows PC, I had a 10,000 rpm
drive. It was perfectly reliable.


===================================
10 years ago. But still the mechanical problems rule. And if they were
perfectly reliable, you would not have to had a drive replaced. Still
the problems go up exponentially with speed. They fly closer now and
more turbulence with speed. Semi contact is almost the norm now. The
error correction helps immensely but there are still media problems. One
of the reasons I have a patent is on defect scanning. I wrote a lot of
the defect self scanning firmware for Maxtor. Interface code for
Ministore and DSP control code for Samsung and as an Apps engineer for
the DSP supplier. The higher speed and higher density makes for probably
the same reliability we had all through the 90's. Which was a lot more
than the CDC, IBM and NCR removable media 14" drives.


The drive that failed, according to the techs who messed with it,
checked out ok, but there was someone written on it by software that
they couldn't reach...or some explanation like that. In any event, it
was the only hard drive that went teats up on me since 1984-85.

I'll help your butt plug Suckling Don out, WTF does "there was someone
written on it by software" mean?