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A classmate and colleague of my wife, Lt. Col. David E. Cabrera, was killed recently in Afghanistan Dr. Cabrera, a licensed clinical social worker and assistant professor of family medicine at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences, was stationed in Afghanistan's capitol city, Kabul, when his NATO convoy was attacked. It was an IED. Dr. Cabrera is survived by a wife and four children. My wife says Dr. Cabrera was a terrific guy, a caring human being, and "an absolute whiz" in the doctoral-level statistics courses. The governor of Maryland ordered flags flown at half staff in honor of Dr. Cabrera. http://tinyurl.com/87qzj8a |
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On 10/11/2011 7:21 PM, X ` Man wrote:
A classmate and colleague of my wife, Lt. Col. David E. Cabrera, was killed recently in Afghanistan RIP. Condolences to the family. But if 0bama kept his promises he would still be alive. -- The reason government can't fix the economic problems is government is the problem. |
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On 11/10/2011 11:14 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 10/11/2011 7:21 PM, X ` Man wrote: A classmate and colleague of my wife, Lt. Col. David E. Cabrera, was killed recently in Afghanistan RIP. Condolences to the family. But if 0bama kept his promises he would still be alive. I am just surprised Harry hasn't told us how worthless the guy was for joining up. I mean, we all know the disdain he has for enlisted men and women... Just ask John... |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 04:55:41 -0500, JustWait wrote:
On 11/10/2011 11:14 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 10/11/2011 7:21 PM, X ` Man wrote: A classmate and colleague of my wife, Lt. Col. David E. Cabrera, was killed recently in Afghanistan RIP. Condolences to the family. But if 0bama kept his promises he would still be alive. I am just surprised Harry hasn't told us how worthless the guy was for joining up. I mean, we all know the disdain he has for enlisted men and women... Just ask John... Nope. According to his comments, I was 'stupid', because I let myself get drafted. |
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On 11/11/11 7:18 AM, John H wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 04:55:41 -0500, wrote: On 11/10/2011 11:14 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 10/11/2011 7:21 PM, X ` Man wrote: A classmate and colleague of my wife, Lt. Col. David E. Cabrera, was killed recently in Afghanistan RIP. Condolences to the family. But if 0bama kept his promises he would still be alive. I am just surprised Harry hasn't told us how worthless the guy was for joining up. I mean, we all know the disdain he has for enlisted men and women... Just ask John... Nope. According to his comments, I was 'stupid', because I let myself get drafted. My disdain is for the military establishment generally, the "corporation," so to speak, and not those who wear the uniform, with certain exceptions to the latter, you being one of them. Since the end of World War II, I believe the military establishment's primary goal has been to perpetuate itself, to keep as many men and women in uniform as possible. Dr. Cabrera chose a soldier's life and took a soldier's chances. According to my wife, he was a terrific psychotherapist, something the military is in great need of these days. |
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On 11/11/2011 7:33 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 11/11/11 7:18 AM, John H wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 04:55:41 -0500, wrote: On 11/10/2011 11:14 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 10/11/2011 7:21 PM, X ` Man wrote: A classmate and colleague of my wife, Lt. Col. David E. Cabrera, was killed recently in Afghanistan RIP. Condolences to the family. But if 0bama kept his promises he would still be alive. I am just surprised Harry hasn't told us how worthless the guy was for joining up. I mean, we all know the disdain he has for enlisted men and women... Just ask John... Nope. According to his comments, I was 'stupid', because I let myself get drafted. My disdain is for the military establishment generally, the "corporation," so to speak, and not those who wear the uniform, with certain exceptions to the latter, you being one of them. Since the end of World War II, I believe the military establishment's primary goal has been to perpetuate itself, to keep as many men and women in uniform as possible. Dr. Cabrera chose a soldier's life and took a soldier's chances. According to my wife, he was a terrific psychotherapist, something the military is in great need of these days. You are a ****ing hypocrite. I hope the widow gets a load of some of what you generally say about enlisted men and their families... |
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On 11/11/11 8:06 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 11/11/2011 7:33 AM, X ` Man wrote: On 11/11/11 7:18 AM, John H wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 04:55:41 -0500, wrote: On 11/10/2011 11:14 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 10/11/2011 7:21 PM, X ` Man wrote: A classmate and colleague of my wife, Lt. Col. David E. Cabrera, was killed recently in Afghanistan RIP. Condolences to the family. But if 0bama kept his promises he would still be alive. I am just surprised Harry hasn't told us how worthless the guy was for joining up. I mean, we all know the disdain he has for enlisted men and women... Just ask John... Nope. According to his comments, I was 'stupid', because I let myself get drafted. My disdain is for the military establishment generally, the "corporation," so to speak, and not those who wear the uniform, with certain exceptions to the latter, you being one of them. Since the end of World War II, I believe the military establishment's primary goal has been to perpetuate itself, to keep as many men and women in uniform as possible. Dr. Cabrera chose a soldier's life and took a soldier's chances. According to my wife, he was a terrific psychotherapist, something the military is in great need of these days. You are a ****ing hypocrite. I hope the widow gets a load of some of what you generally say about enlisted men and their families... Oh? And what might *that* be, Mr. Rec.Boats.Retard? I don't "generally" say much of anything about "enlisted men and their families." You really, truly should seek out a therapist. You are completely ****ed between the ears. |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 07:18:13 -0500, John H
wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 04:55:41 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 11/10/2011 11:14 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 10/11/2011 7:21 PM, X ` Man wrote: A classmate and colleague of my wife, Lt. Col. David E. Cabrera, was killed recently in Afghanistan RIP. Condolences to the family. But if 0bama kept his promises he would still be alive. I am just surprised Harry hasn't told us how worthless the guy was for joining up. I mean, we all know the disdain he has for enlisted men and women... Just ask John... Nope. According to his comments, I was 'stupid', because I let myself get drafted. As opposed to Harry being smart for not allowing himself to be drafted? I'm sure thaat makes perfect sense to Harry.;-) |
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On Nov 11, 9:44*am, iBoaterer wrote:
In article , dump-on- says... On 11/11/11 7:18 AM, John H wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 04:55:41 -0500, *wrote: On 11/10/2011 11:14 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 10/11/2011 7:21 PM, X ` Man wrote: A classmate and colleague of my wife, Lt. Col. David E. Cabrera, was killed recently in Afghanistan RIP. Condolences to the family. But if 0bama kept his promises he would still be alive. I am just surprised Harry hasn't told us how worthless the guy was for joining up. I mean, we all know the disdain he has for enlisted men and women... Just ask John... Nope. According to his comments, I was 'stupid', because I let myself get drafted. My disdain is for the military establishment generally, the "corporation," so to speak, and not those who wear the uniform, with certain exceptions to the latter, you being one of them. Since the end of World War II, I believe the military establishment's primary goal has been to perpetuate itself, to keep as many men and women in uniform as possible. Dr. Cabrera chose a soldier's life and took a soldier's chances. According to my wife, he was a terrific psychotherapist, something the military is in great need of these days. That's odd, you've shown your disdain for every veteran that posts in rec.boats.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ....and what are you a vereran of...the swamp wars? |
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On 11/11/11 9:16 AM, North Star wrote:
On Nov 11, 9:44 am, wrote: In articlel8qdnT6WEeeeiyDTnZ2dnUVZ_uedn...@earthlink .com, dump-on- says... On 11/11/11 7:18 AM, John H wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 04:55:41 -0500, wrote: On 11/10/2011 11:14 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 10/11/2011 7:21 PM, X ` Man wrote: A classmate and colleague of my wife, Lt. Col. David E. Cabrera, was killed recently in Afghanistan RIP. Condolences to the family. But if 0bama kept his promises he would still be alive. I am just surprised Harry hasn't told us how worthless the guy was for joining up. I mean, we all know the disdain he has for enlisted men and women... Just ask John... Nope. According to his comments, I was 'stupid', because I let myself get drafted. My disdain is for the military establishment generally, the "corporation," so to speak, and not those who wear the uniform, with certain exceptions to the latter, you being one of them. Since the end of World War II, I believe the military establishment's primary goal has been to perpetuate itself, to keep as many men and women in uniform as possible. Dr. Cabrera chose a soldier's life and took a soldier's chances. According to my wife, he was a terrific psychotherapist, something the military is in great need of these days. That's odd, you've shown your disdain for every veteran that posts in rec.boats.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ...and what are you a vereran of...the swamp wars? Lil Snookums iLoogy just isn't very bright. My disdain for the right-wing veterans who post here is based primarily upon their right-wing and typically racist statements and positions. I have no respect for Herring and Flajim because they're assholes, not because they were in the military. My lack of respect for Bertiepoop Robbins is not based upon his stateside stint in the marines but his "I've got mine, so **** you" attitude. I doubt these turds learned their anti-social ways in the military. |
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On 11/11/2011 9:22 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 11/11/11 9:16 AM, North Star wrote: ...and what are you a vereran of...the swamp wars? Lil Snookums iLoogy just isn't very bright. My disdain for the right-wing veterans who post here is based primarily upon their *right-wing* and typically racist statements and positions. I have no respect for Herring and Flajim because they're assholes, not because they were in the military. My lack of respect for Bertiepoop Robbins is not based upon his stateside stint in the marines but his "I've got mine, so **** you" attitude. I doubt these turds learned their anti-social ways in the military. No list of assholes is complete without the inclusion of Harry Krause. I suppose that would also mean you have no self respect. Most cowards don't. -- Jack Schidt |
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On 11/11/2011 5:33 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 11/11/11 7:18 AM, John H wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 04:55:41 -0500, wrote: On 11/10/2011 11:14 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 10/11/2011 7:21 PM, X ` Man wrote: A classmate and colleague of my wife, Lt. Col. David E. Cabrera, was killed recently in Afghanistan RIP. Condolences to the family. But if 0bama kept his promises he would still be alive. I am just surprised Harry hasn't told us how worthless the guy was for joining up. I mean, we all know the disdain he has for enlisted men and women... Just ask John... Nope. According to his comments, I was 'stupid', because I let myself get drafted. My disdain is for the military establishment generally, the "corporation," so to speak, and not those who wear the uniform, with certain exceptions to the latter, you being one of them. Since the end of World War II, I believe the military establishment's primary goal has been to perpetuate itself, to keep as many men and women in uniform as possible. Dr. Cabrera chose a soldier's life and took a soldier's chances. According to my wife, he was a terrific psychotherapist, something the military is in great need of these days. It is like anything else. Honest good people at the bottom and scum floats to the top to serve the politicians. Your gripe is at the top. As the rank and file willing to serve your country is a reflection of he best USA people have to offer. But your fleabagger mind can't differentiate. -- The reason government can't fix the economic problems is government is the problem. |
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On 11/11/2011 7:33 AM, X ` Man wrote:
My disdain is for the military establishment generally, the "corporation," so to speak, and not those who wear the uniform, with certain exceptions to the latter, you being one of them. Bull****. There are no exceptions in your contempt and scorn for military folks. And now you have besmirched the reputation of Lt. Col. David E. Cabrera by associating his name with yours, Harry Krause. The former gave his life for what he believed in, while you are a sniveling coward behind a keyboard in Maryland, who never misses an opportunity to traduce the men and women of the military. You have repeatedly described this NG as a cesspool, and now you have dragged Lt. Col. David E. Cabrera's name into the cesspool with you. Despicable. |
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On 11/11/2011 1:53 PM, Ombudsman wrote:
On 11/11/2011 7:33 AM, X ` Man wrote: My disdain is for the military establishment generally, the "corporation," so to speak, and not those who wear the uniform, with certain exceptions to the latter, you being one of them. Bull****. There are no exceptions in your contempt and scorn for military folks. And now you have besmirched the reputation of Lt. Col. David E. Cabrera by associating his name with yours, Harry Krause. The former gave his life for what he believed in, while you are a sniveling coward behind a keyboard in Maryland, who never misses an opportunity to traduce the men and women of the military. You have repeatedly described this NG as a cesspool, and now you have dragged Lt. Col. David E. Cabrera's name into the cesspool with you. Despicable. Hey. That's Harry the snowflake you are talking about. He was a BMOC in his day. Actually he was the only MOC. The other men were off serving their country in various ways. -- 1-20-13 The end of an error |
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"X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 11/11/11 7:18 AM, John H wrote: Nope. According to his comments, I was 'stupid', because I let myself get drafted. My disdain is for the military establishment generally, the "corporation," so to speak, and not those who wear the uniform, with certain exceptions to the latter, you being one of them. --------------------------------------------------------------------- That's not the impression you leave here Harry. You may not like John or agree with him politically or for other reasons, but you've often posed questions like: "How many innocent Vietnamese did you kill?" and other quips to that effect. That's foul ball, IMO. John, me or anyone else that served in the military didn't make policy. We did what we took an oath to do. You may disagree with that, I might even disagree today, 43 years later and 43 years wiser, but at the time we did what we were required to do. It's not a subject to be taken lightly. BTW ... being Veterans Day and all, I happened to be listening to another left-leaning spokesperson going on and on about the military, it's personnel and the disproportionate number of minorities, undereducated and economically disadvantaged people that make up the ranks because they have few other options. You have also made similar claims. I decided to do my own "fact checking" about these claims. Turns out, it's BS. Here's a few facts I discovered with very little Google effort: Current active duty military personnel represent less than half of 1 percent of the US population. That's a very small number doing the dirty work for the rest of the population. Less than 9 percent of the current US population are either currently serving in the military or are military veterans. Most people guess around 25 to 30 percent. Here's one that may surprise you: Contrary to popular belief or myth, the average person in today’s US military is better educated than their civilian peers as a group. One (1) percent of active duty service members lack a high school diploma. Over 20 percent of civilians over the age of 25 lack a high school diploma. BTW ... 95 percent of military officers hold at least a Bachelor’s Degree; many hold advanced postgrad degrees. and: Contrary to popular belief or myth, enlistees in today’s military are not predominately from low income families or backgrounds. Eleven (11) percent of enlistees come from the poorest US neighborhoods. 25 percent come from the wealthiest US neighborhoods. The rest fall somewhere between. Eisboch |
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On 11/11/2011 2:35 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In aweb.com, says... On 11/11/2011 1:53 PM, Ombudsman wrote: On 11/11/2011 7:33 AM, X ` Man wrote: My disdain is for the military establishment generally, the "corporation," so to speak, and not those who wear the uniform, with certain exceptions to the latter, you being one of them. Bull****. There are no exceptions in your contempt and scorn for military folks. And now you have besmirched the reputation of Lt. Col. David E. Cabrera by associating his name with yours, Harry Krause. The former gave his life for what he believed in, while you are a sniveling coward behind a keyboard in Maryland, who never misses an opportunity to traduce the men and women of the military. You have repeatedly described this NG as a cesspool, and now you have dragged Lt. Col. David E. Cabrera's name into the cesspool with you. Despicable. Hey. That's Harry the snowflake you are talking about. He was a BMOC in his day. Actually he was the only MOC. The other men were off serving their country in various ways. "other men"? Are you saying that Harry is a man? OK then---MALE. Happy now? Picky Picky Picky -- 1-20-13 The end of an error |
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On 11/11/2011 5:59 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 11/11/11 7:18 AM, John H wrote: Nope. According to his comments, I was 'stupid', because I let myself get drafted. My disdain is for the military establishment generally, the "corporation," so to speak, and not those who wear the uniform, with certain exceptions to the latter, you being one of them. --------------------------------------------------------------------- That's not the impression you leave here Harry. You may not like John or agree with him politically or for other reasons, but you've often posed questions like: "How many innocent Vietnamese did you kill?" and other quips to that effect. That's foul ball, IMO. John, me or anyone else that served in the military didn't make policy. We did what we took an oath to do. You may disagree with that, I might even disagree today, 43 years later and 43 years wiser, but at the time we did what we were required to do. It's not a subject to be taken lightly. BTW ... being Veterans Day and all, I happened to be listening to another left-leaning spokesperson going on and on about the military, it's personnel and the disproportionate number of minorities, undereducated and economically disadvantaged people that make up the ranks because they have few other options. You have also made similar claims. I decided to do my own "fact checking" about these claims. Turns out, it's BS. Here's a few facts I discovered with very little Google effort: Current active duty military personnel represent less than half of 1 percent of the US population. That's a very small number doing the dirty work for the rest of the population. Less than 9 percent of the current US population are either currently serving in the military or are military veterans. Most people guess around 25 to 30 percent. Here's one that may surprise you: Contrary to popular belief or myth, the average person in today’s US military is better educated than their civilian peers as a group. One (1) percent of active duty service members lack a high school diploma. Over 20 percent of civilians over the age of 25 lack a high school diploma. BTW ... 95 percent of military officers hold at least a Bachelor’s Degree; many hold advanced postgrad degrees. and: Contrary to popular belief or myth, enlistees in today’s military are not predominately from low income families or backgrounds. Eleven (11) percent of enlistees come from the poorest US neighborhoods. 25 percent come from the wealthiest US neighborhoods. The rest fall somewhere between. Eisboch Thank you Dick... |
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On 11/11/11 5:59 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 11/11/11 7:18 AM, John H wrote: Nope. According to his comments, I was 'stupid', because I let myself get drafted. My disdain is for the military establishment generally, the "corporation," so to speak, and not those who wear the uniform, with certain exceptions to the latter, you being one of them. --------------------------------------------------------------------- That's not the impression you leave here Harry. You may not like John or agree with him politically or for other reasons, but you've often posed questions like: "How many innocent Vietnamese did you kill?" and other quips to that effect. That's foul ball, IMO. John, me or anyone else that served in the military didn't make policy. We did what we took an oath to do. You may disagree with that, I might even disagree today, 43 years later and 43 years wiser, but at the time we did what we were required to do. It's not a subject to be taken lightly. - - - It is perfectly reasonable to question those who took place in horrific events because they were following orders. The so-called "Nuremberg defense" is not an operable option. All we did in Vietnam, really, is prop up a right-wing dictatorship until it finally fell. Once Buddhist monks starting setting themselves on fire to protest the government we were supporting, you have to ask yourself, "What the hell am I doing here?" Vietnam was not WW II. We weren't on the side of the angels. |
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On 11/11/11 6:41 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:59:34 -0500, wrote: I decided to do my own "fact checking" about these claims. Turns out, it's BS. Here's a few facts I discovered with very little Google effort: Current active duty military personnel represent less than half of 1 percent of the US population. That's a very small number doing the dirty work for the rest of the population. Less than 9 percent of the current US population are either currently serving in the military or are military veterans. Most people guess around 25 to 30 percent. Here's one that may surprise you: Contrary to popular belief or myth, the average person in today’s US military is better educated than their civilian peers as a group. One (1) percent of active duty service members lack a high school diploma. Over 20 percent of civilians over the age of 25 lack a high school diploma. BTW ... 95 percent of military officers hold at least a Bachelor’s Degree; many hold advanced postgrad degrees. and: Contrary to popular belief or myth, enlistees in today’s military are not predominately from low income families or backgrounds. Eleven (11) percent of enlistees come from the poorest US neighborhoods. 25 percent come from the wealthiest US neighborhoods. The rest fall somewhere between. Eisboch They probably have better health care, too, since they have access to free medical care. And that thing about education, that is free or highly discounted, too, so I guess more people can afford it. Plus, if you are in the military, you can get credit for "life experiences," that's pretty easy, too. It appears to me that the"Heritage Foundation" is the source of your data. I would not consider them either "fair" or "balanced" or accurate. I would consider these statistics more reliable: http://www.census.gov/population/www...ry-Service.pdf The Heritage Foundation? hehehe. If it said the sun were shining at high noon, I'd look out the window to be sure. |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:59:34 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: I decided to do my own "fact checking" about these claims. Turns out, it's BS. It appears to me that the"Heritage Foundation" is the source of your data. I would not consider them either "fair" or "balanced" or accurate. I would consider these statistics more reliable: http://www.census.gov/population/www...ry-Service.pdf --------------------------------------------------------- The Heritage Foundation is one of the web sites I read (because it popped up in the Google search) however knowing it's reputation among some, I also searched for and read several others including the Department of Defense military personnel and demographics statistics. The numbers vary only slightly. Eisboch |
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"X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 11/11/11 5:59 PM, Eisboch wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 11/11/11 7:18 AM, John H wrote: Nope. According to his comments, I was 'stupid', because I let myself get drafted. My disdain is for the military establishment generally, the "corporation," so to speak, and not those who wear the uniform, with certain exceptions to the latter, you being one of them. --------------------------------------------------------------------- That's not the impression you leave here Harry. You may not like John or agree with him politically or for other reasons, but you've often posed questions like: "How many innocent Vietnamese did you kill?" and other quips to that effect. That's foul ball, IMO. John, me or anyone else that served in the military didn't make policy. We did what we took an oath to do. You may disagree with that, I might even disagree today, 43 years later and 43 years wiser, but at the time we did what we were required to do. It's not a subject to be taken lightly. - - - It is perfectly reasonable to question those who took place in horrific events because they were following orders. The so-called "Nuremberg defense" is not an operable option. All we did in Vietnam, really, is prop up a right-wing dictatorship until it finally fell. Once Buddhist monks starting setting themselves on fire to protest the government we were supporting, you have to ask yourself, "What the hell am I doing here?" Vietnam was not WW II. We weren't on the side of the angels. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Explain that to a 19-21 year old brought up under the influence of the 50's and early 60's. I for one didn't know what the "Nuremberg Defense" was, let alone able to spell it. Eisboch |
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On 11/11/11 7:11 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 11/11/11 6:41 PM, wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:59:34 -0500, wrote: I decided to do my own "fact checking" about these claims. Turns out, it's BS. The Heritage Foundation? hehehe. If it said the sun were shining at high noon, I'd look out the window to be sure. ------------------------------------------------ I'll repeat my response to whoever "You.Don’t.Need@ToKnow" is: The Heritage Foundation is one of the web sites I read (because it popped up in the Google search) however knowing it's reputation among some, I also searched for and read several others including the Department of Defense military personnel and demographics statistics. The numbers vary only slightly. Interestingly, as I was on my laptop doing the search, I had "Morning Joe" on the television and was half listening to it. At one point Joe Scarborough started reciting some of the same statistics I found. Now, I know Joe is a Republican, but I don't think he's exactly a "right-winger". Eisboch Joe is a decent right-winger, meaning he is a sort of old fashioned, not insane right winger. He's mellowed some since his terms in the U.S. Congress. The military demographics started changing some during the Bush Administration, when job creation fell into the gutter. |
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On 11/11/11 7:15 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 11/11/11 5:59 PM, Eisboch wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 11/11/11 7:18 AM, John H wrote: Nope. According to his comments, I was 'stupid', because I let myself get drafted. My disdain is for the military establishment generally, the "corporation," so to speak, and not those who wear the uniform, with certain exceptions to the latter, you being one of them. --------------------------------------------------------------------- That's not the impression you leave here Harry. You may not like John or agree with him politically or for other reasons, but you've often posed questions like: "How many innocent Vietnamese did you kill?" and other quips to that effect. That's foul ball, IMO. John, me or anyone else that served in the military didn't make policy. We did what we took an oath to do. You may disagree with that, I might even disagree today, 43 years later and 43 years wiser, but at the time we did what we were required to do. It's not a subject to be taken lightly. - - - It is perfectly reasonable to question those who took place in horrific events because they were following orders. The so-called "Nuremberg defense" is not an operable option. All we did in Vietnam, really, is prop up a right-wing dictatorship until it finally fell. Once Buddhist monks starting setting themselves on fire to protest the government we were supporting, you have to ask yourself, "What the hell am I doing here?" Vietnam was not WW II. We weren't on the side of the angels. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Explain that to a 19-21 year old brought up under the influence of the 50's and early 60's. I for one didn't know what the "Nuremberg Defense" was, let alone able to spell it. Eisboch Come on, you went to a first-rate high school full of really bright kids. I know, because I dated a lot of them. :) There were few intellectual slouches I encountered among my buddies, male and female, at Amity Regional. You were just entering high school, I bet, when that terrific Spencer Tracey movie, Judgment at Nuremberg, came out. I'm sure you saw it...everyone did. It's one of the best movies ever made. |
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"X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 11/11/11 7:11 PM, Eisboch wrote: "X ` Man" wrote in message m... On 11/11/11 6:41 PM, wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:59:34 -0500, wrote: I decided to do my own "fact checking" about these claims. Turns out, it's BS. The Heritage Foundation? hehehe. If it said the sun were shining at high noon, I'd look out the window to be sure. ------------------------------------------------ I'll repeat my response to whoever "You.Don’t.Need@ToKnow" is: The Heritage Foundation is one of the web sites I read (because it popped up in the Google search) however knowing it's reputation among some, I also searched for and read several others including the Department of Defense military personnel and demographics statistics. The numbers vary only slightly. Interestingly, as I was on my laptop doing the search, I had "Morning Joe" on the television and was half listening to it. At one point Joe Scarborough started reciting some of the same statistics I found. Now, I know Joe is a Republican, but I don't think he's exactly a "right-winger". Eisboch Joe is a decent right-winger, meaning he is a sort of old fashioned, not insane right winger. He's mellowed some since his terms in the U.S. Congress. The military demographics started changing some during the Bush Administration, when job creation fell into the gutter. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- That's true and the statistics I found reflect *today's* military ... meaning mid 2000's and newer. It certainly wasn't true back in my era in 1968. We were just a bunch of knuckleheads. It's one of the reasons I am so impressed and respectful of today's volunteer military. Eisboch |
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"X ` Man" wrote in message ... Come on, you went to a first-rate high school full of really bright kids. I know, because I dated a lot of them. :) There were few intellectual slouches I encountered among my buddies, male and female, at Amity Regional. You were just entering high school, I bet, when that terrific Spencer Tracey movie, Judgment at Nuremberg, came out. I'm sure you saw it...everyone did. It's one of the best movies ever made. ------------------------------------------------------------- Just because I attended Amity doesn't mean I was one of the "bright" ones. I struggled at Amity. I was a transplant who didn't really fit in a very affluent area and social culture. I left Amity halfway through my senior year and graduated from a school back in MA, BTW. Funny thing was, when I registered at the high school in MA, I already had all the college courses and credits required to graduate per their curriculum requirements. So, I goofed off for the rest of the year. Eisboch |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 19:06:18 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:59:34 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: I decided to do my own "fact checking" about these claims. Turns out, it's BS. It appears to me that the"Heritage Foundation" is the source of your data. I would not consider them either "fair" or "balanced" or accurate. I would consider these statistics more reliable: http://www.census.gov/population/www...ry-Service.pdf --------------------------------------------------------- The Heritage Foundation is one of the web sites I read (because it popped up in the Google search) however knowing it's reputation among some, I also searched for and read several others including the Department of Defense military personnel and demographics statistics. The numbers vary only slightly. Eisboch The Heritage Foundation would rate up there with Michael Moore in terms of using numbers and information to its best advantage. |
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On 11/11/11 7:42 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"X ` Man" wrote in message ... Come on, you went to a first-rate high school full of really bright kids. I know, because I dated a lot of them. :) There were few intellectual slouches I encountered among my buddies, male and female, at Amity Regional. You were just entering high school, I bet, when that terrific Spencer Tracey movie, Judgment at Nuremberg, came out. I'm sure you saw it...everyone did. It's one of the best movies ever made. ------------------------------------------------------------- Just because I attended Amity doesn't mean I was one of the "bright" ones. I struggled at Amity. I was a transplant who didn't really fit in a very affluent area and social culture. I left Amity halfway through my senior year and graduated from a school back in MA, BTW. Funny thing was, when I registered at the high school in MA, I already had all the college courses and credits required to graduate per their curriculum requirements. So, I goofed off for the rest of the year. Eisboch Ahhh. Amity is still a top high school, according to my buddies in Woodbridge, Orange, et cetera. I was glad to hear that. Unfortunately, the City of New Haven schools have not fared as well, though I've been told the schools are improving. I drove through some areas of New Haven a couple of months ago when I was up for a visit. I was happy to see some of what I saw and disappointed with some of the rest. Upper Whalley Avenue, from the Whalley Theater to downtown, is pretty grim. Downtown, though, looks better than it did the last time I was there. |
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"jps" wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 19:06:18 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:59:34 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: I decided to do my own "fact checking" about these claims. Turns out, it's BS. It appears to me that the"Heritage Foundation" is the source of your data. I would not consider them either "fair" or "balanced" or accurate. I would consider these statistics more reliable: http://www.census.gov/population/www...ry-Service.pdf --------------------------------------------------------- The Heritage Foundation is one of the web sites I read (because it popped up in the Google search) however knowing it's reputation among some, I also searched for and read several others including the Department of Defense military personnel and demographics statistics. The numbers vary only slightly. Eisboch The Heritage Foundation would rate up there with Michael Moore in terms of using numbers and information to its best advantage. ------------------------------------------------- I just went back and found the Heritage website again. The sources given for the data they used is given as: US Department of Defense. Defense Manpower Data Center, 2006-2007 and: US Census Bureau, United States Census 2000 The numbers are consistent with those found directly from the cited sources. Eisboch |
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wrote in message ... --------------------------------------------------------- The Heritage Foundation is one of the web sites I read (because it popped up in the Google search) however knowing it's reputation among some, I also searched for and read several others including the Department of Defense military personnel and demographics statistics. The numbers vary only slightly. Eisboch ------------------------------------------------------- How do they compare with the census data? --------------------------------------------------------- One of the cited sources at the Heritage website *was* the US census data |
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On 11/11/11 8:15 PM, Eisboch wrote:
"jps" wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 19:06:18 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:59:34 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: I decided to do my own "fact checking" about these claims. Turns out, it's BS. It appears to me that the"Heritage Foundation" is the source of your data. I would not consider them either "fair" or "balanced" or accurate. I would consider these statistics more reliable: http://www.census.gov/population/www...ry-Service.pdf --------------------------------------------------------- The Heritage Foundation is one of the web sites I read (because it popped up in the Google search) however knowing it's reputation among some, I also searched for and read several others including the Department of Defense military personnel and demographics statistics. The numbers vary only slightly. Eisboch The Heritage Foundation would rate up there with Michael Moore in terms of using numbers and information to its best advantage. ------------------------------------------------- I just went back and found the Heritage website again. The sources given for the data they used is given as: US Department of Defense. Defense Manpower Data Center, 2006-2007 and: US Census Bureau, United States Census 2000 The numbers are consistent with those found directly from the cited sources. Eisboch The data shows the military has become the employer of last resort. |
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On 11/11/2011 7:44 PM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 19:06:18 -0500, wrote: wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:59:34 -0500, wrote: I decided to do my own "fact checking" about these claims. Turns out, it's BS. It appears to me that the"Heritage Foundation" is the source of your data. I would not consider them either "fair" or "balanced" or accurate. I would consider these statistics more reliable: http://www.census.gov/population/www...ry-Service.pdf --------------------------------------------------------- The Heritage Foundation is one of the web sites I read (because it popped up in the Google search) however knowing it's reputation among some, I also searched for and read several others including the Department of Defense military personnel and demographics statistics. The numbers vary only slightly. Eisboch The Heritage Foundation would rate up there with Michael Moore in terms of using numbers and information to its best advantage. That's almost funny coming from a guy who admits he gets his news from Jon Stewart! |
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On 11/11/2011 9:07 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:52:18 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 11/11/2011 7:44 PM, jps wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 19:06:18 -0500, wrote: wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:59:34 -0500, wrote: I decided to do my own "fact checking" about these claims. Turns out, it's BS. It appears to me that the"Heritage Foundation" is the source of your data. I would not consider them either "fair" or "balanced" or accurate. I would consider these statistics more reliable: http://www.census.gov/population/www...ry-Service.pdf --------------------------------------------------------- The Heritage Foundation is one of the web sites I read (because it popped up in the Google search) however knowing it's reputation among some, I also searched for and read several others including the Department of Defense military personnel and demographics statistics. The numbers vary only slightly. Eisboch The Heritage Foundation would rate up there with Michael Moore in terms of using numbers and information to its best advantage. That's almost funny coming from a guy who admits he gets his news from Jon Stewart! That's almost funny coming from a guy who admits he gets his news from Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, and Sarah Palin! You are a liar plum.... |
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On 11/11/11 7:18 AM, John H wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 04:55:41 -0500, wrote: On 11/10/2011 11:14 PM, Canuck57 wrote: On 10/11/2011 7:21 PM, X ` Man wrote: A classmate and colleague of my wife, Lt. Col. David E. Cabrera, was killed recently in Afghanistan RIP. Condolences to the family. But if 0bama kept his promises he would still be alive. I am just surprised Harry hasn't told us how worthless the guy was for joining up. I mean, we all know the disdain he has for enlisted men and women... Just ask John... Nope. According to his comments, I was 'stupid', because I let myself get drafted. My disdain is for the military establishment generally, the "corporation," so to speak, and not those who wear the uniform, with certain exceptions to the latter, you being one of them. Since the end of World War II, I believe the military establishment's primary goal has been to perpetuate itself, to keep as many men and women in uniform as possible. Dr. Cabrera chose a soldier's life and took a soldier's chances. According to my wife, he was a terrific psychotherapist, something the military is in great need of these days. It's too bad he didn't survive to figure out why you are so ****ed up. -HB |
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