"X ` Man" wrote in message
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On 11/11/11 7:11 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"X ` Man" wrote in message
m...

On 11/11/11 6:41 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:59:34 -0500, wrote:


I decided to do my own "fact checking" about these claims. Turns out,
it's
BS.



The Heritage Foundation? hehehe. If it said the sun were shining at high
noon, I'd look out the window to be sure.

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I'll repeat my response to whoever "You.Don’t.Need@ToKnow" is:

The Heritage Foundation is one of the web sites I read (because it
popped up in the Google search) however knowing it's reputation among
some, I also searched for and read several others including the
Department of Defense military personnel and demographics
statistics. The numbers vary only slightly.

Interestingly, as I was on my laptop doing the search, I had "Morning
Joe" on the television and was half listening to it.
At one point Joe Scarborough started reciting some of the same
statistics I found. Now, I know Joe is a Republican, but I
don't think he's exactly a "right-winger".

Eisboch


Joe is a decent right-winger, meaning he is a sort of old fashioned, not
insane right winger. He's mellowed some since his terms in the U.S.
Congress. The military demographics started changing some during the
Bush Administration, when job creation fell into the gutter.

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That's true and the statistics I found reflect *today's* military ...
meaning mid 2000's and newer.
It certainly wasn't true back in my era in 1968. We were just a bunch of
knuckleheads.
It's one of the reasons I am so impressed and respectful of today's
volunteer military.

Eisboch

"X ` Man" wrote in message
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Come on, you went to a first-rate high school full of really bright
kids. I know, because I dated a lot of them. :) There were few
intellectual slouches I encountered among my buddies, male and female,
at Amity Regional. You were just entering high school, I bet, when that
terrific Spencer Tracey movie, Judgment at Nuremberg, came out. I'm sure
you saw it...everyone did. It's one of the best movies ever made.

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Just because I attended Amity doesn't mean I was one of the "bright" ones.
I struggled at Amity. I was a transplant who didn't really fit in a very
affluent area and social culture.

I left Amity halfway through my senior year and graduated from a school back
in MA, BTW.
Funny thing was, when I registered at the high school in MA, I already had
all the college
courses and credits required to graduate per their curriculum requirements.
So, I goofed off for the rest of the year.

Eisboch

On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 19:06:18 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



wrote in message ...

On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:59:34 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


I decided to do my own "fact checking" about these claims. Turns out,
it's
BS.


It appears to me that the"Heritage Foundation" is the source of your
data. I would not consider them either "fair" or "balanced" or
accurate.

I would consider these statistics more reliable:
http://www.census.gov/population/www...ry-Service.pdf

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The Heritage Foundation is one of the web sites I read (because it popped up
in the Google search) however knowing it's reputation among
some, I also searched for and read several others including the Department
of Defense military personnel and demographics
statistics. The numbers vary only slightly.

Eisboch

The Heritage Foundation would rate up there with Michael Moore in
terms of using numbers and information to its best advantage.

On 11/11/11 7:42 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"X ` Man" wrote in message
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Come on, you went to a first-rate high school full of really bright
kids. I know, because I dated a lot of them. :) There were few
intellectual slouches I encountered among my buddies, male and female,
at Amity Regional. You were just entering high school, I bet, when that
terrific Spencer Tracey movie, Judgment at Nuremberg, came out. I'm sure
you saw it...everyone did. It's one of the best movies ever made.

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Just because I attended Amity doesn't mean I was one of the "bright" ones.
I struggled at Amity. I was a transplant who didn't really fit in a very
affluent area and social culture.

I left Amity halfway through my senior year and graduated from a school
back in MA, BTW.
Funny thing was, when I registered at the high school in MA, I already
had all the college
courses and credits required to graduate per their curriculum requirements.
So, I goofed off for the rest of the year.

Eisboch




Ahhh. Amity is still a top high school, according to my buddies in
Woodbridge, Orange, et cetera. I was glad to hear that. Unfortunately,
the City of New Haven schools have not fared as well, though I've been
told the schools are improving. I drove through some areas of New Haven
a couple of months ago when I was up for a visit. I was happy to see
some of what I saw and disappointed with some of the rest. Upper Whalley
Avenue, from the Whalley Theater to downtown, is pretty grim.
Downtown, though, looks better than it did the last time I was there.

"jps" wrote in message ...

On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 19:06:18 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



wrote in message ...

On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:59:34 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


I decided to do my own "fact checking" about these claims. Turns out,
it's
BS.


It appears to me that the"Heritage Foundation" is the source of your
data. I would not consider them either "fair" or "balanced" or
accurate.

I would consider these statistics more reliable:
http://www.census.gov/population/www...ry-Service.pdf

---------------------------------------------------------

The Heritage Foundation is one of the web sites I read (because it popped
up
in the Google search) however knowing it's reputation among
some, I also searched for and read several others including the Department
of Defense military personnel and demographics
statistics. The numbers vary only slightly.

Eisboch

The Heritage Foundation would rate up there with Michael Moore in
terms of using numbers and information to its best advantage.

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I just went back and found the Heritage website again. The sources given
for the data they used is given as:

US Department of Defense. Defense Manpower Data Center, 2006-2007 and:

US Census Bureau, United States Census 2000

The numbers are consistent with those found directly from the cited sources.

Eisboch

wrote in message ...

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The Heritage Foundation is one of the web sites I read (because it popped
up
in the Google search) however knowing it's reputation among
some, I also searched for and read several others including the Department
of Defense military personnel and demographics
statistics. The numbers vary only slightly.

Eisboch

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How do they compare with the census data?
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One of the cited sources at the Heritage website *was* the US census data

On 11/11/11 8:15 PM, Eisboch wrote:


"jps" wrote in message ...

On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 19:06:18 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:



wrote in message ...

On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:59:34 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


I decided to do my own "fact checking" about these claims. Turns out,
it's
BS.


It appears to me that the"Heritage Foundation" is the source of your
data. I would not consider them either "fair" or "balanced" or
accurate.

I would consider these statistics more reliable:
http://www.census.gov/population/www...ry-Service.pdf


---------------------------------------------------------

The Heritage Foundation is one of the web sites I read (because it
popped up
in the Google search) however knowing it's reputation among
some, I also searched for and read several others including the
Department
of Defense military personnel and demographics
statistics. The numbers vary only slightly.

Eisboch

The Heritage Foundation would rate up there with Michael Moore in
terms of using numbers and information to its best advantage.

-------------------------------------------------

I just went back and found the Heritage website again. The sources given
for the data they used is given as:

US Department of Defense. Defense Manpower Data Center, 2006-2007 and:

US Census Bureau, United States Census 2000

The numbers are consistent with those found directly from the cited
sources.

Eisboch


The data shows the military has become the employer of last resort.

On 11/11/2011 7:44 PM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 19:06:18 -0500, wrote:



wrote in message ...

On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:59:34 -0500, wrote:


I decided to do my own "fact checking" about these claims. Turns out,
it's
BS.


It appears to me that the"Heritage Foundation" is the source of your
data. I would not consider them either "fair" or "balanced" or
accurate.

I would consider these statistics more reliable:
http://www.census.gov/population/www...ry-Service.pdf

---------------------------------------------------------

The Heritage Foundation is one of the web sites I read (because it popped up
in the Google search) however knowing it's reputation among
some, I also searched for and read several others including the Department
of Defense military personnel and demographics
statistics. The numbers vary only slightly.

Eisboch

The Heritage Foundation would rate up there with Michael Moore in
terms of using numbers and information to its best advantage.


That's almost funny coming from a guy who admits he gets his news from
Jon Stewart!

On 11/11/2011 9:07 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:52:18 -0500, JustWait
wrote:

On 11/11/2011 7:44 PM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 19:06:18 -0500, wrote:



wrote in message ...

On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:59:34 -0500, wrote:


I decided to do my own "fact checking" about these claims. Turns out,
it's
BS.


It appears to me that the"Heritage Foundation" is the source of your
data. I would not consider them either "fair" or "balanced" or
accurate.

I would consider these statistics more reliable:
http://www.census.gov/population/www...ry-Service.pdf

---------------------------------------------------------

The Heritage Foundation is one of the web sites I read (because it popped up
in the Google search) however knowing it's reputation among
some, I also searched for and read several others including the Department
of Defense military personnel and demographics
statistics. The numbers vary only slightly.

Eisboch

The Heritage Foundation would rate up there with Michael Moore in
terms of using numbers and information to its best advantage.


That's almost funny coming from a guy who admits he gets his news from
Jon Stewart!

That's almost funny coming from a guy who admits he gets his news from
Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, and Sarah Palin!

You are a liar plum....

X ` Man wrote:
On 11/11/11 7:18 AM, John H wrote:
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 04:55:41 -0500,
wrote:

On 11/10/2011 11:14 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 10/11/2011 7:21 PM, X ` Man wrote:

A classmate and colleague of my wife, Lt. Col. David E. Cabrera, was
killed recently in Afghanistan

RIP. Condolences to the family.

But if 0bama kept his promises he would still be alive.


I am just surprised Harry hasn't told us how worthless the guy was for
joining up. I mean, we all know the disdain he has for enlisted men and
women... Just ask John...

Nope. According to his comments, I was 'stupid', because I let myself
get drafted.

My disdain is for the military establishment generally, the
"corporation," so to speak, and not those who wear the uniform, with
certain exceptions to the latter, you being one of them.

Since the end of World War II, I believe the military establishment's
primary goal has been to perpetuate itself, to keep as many men and
women in uniform as possible.

Dr. Cabrera chose a soldier's life and took a soldier's chances.
According to my wife, he was a terrific psychotherapist, something the
military is in great need of these days.




It's too bad he didn't survive to figure out why you are so ****ed up.

-HB