On 10/27/2011 4:36 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 10/27/11 4:24 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:27:50 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

Easy...the Republicans have allegiance with the 1%...they've written off
the rest of America.


I think this 1% thing is far oversold. I think the number of people
who think they are actually doing OK is closer to 50-55% (the silent
majority?)

I see a few people here talking about how badly other people are doing
but I don't hear anyone saying they are poor themselves. In fact we
seem to have a bit of a contest going about how well only writer is
doing (yourself included) yet I doubt anyone here is in the top 1%


My point is that the GOP'ers in Congress and the nominee wannabes are
not targeting or proposing anything that will help the middle income
folks. Drill baby drill, castrating environmental laws, lowering taxes
on the rich...that isn't going to lower unemployment.
The Drill Baby comment beggars this comment. Increased Domestic
Production is being shipped to Europe and South America to prop up
domestic prices and because the Eruopeans will pay more. South America
will not however pay more? Oil Comapnies have been selling off and
closing Refineries domestically, THAT WERE HUGELY PROFITABLE, and
blaming it on Environmentalist and Government. The real culprit is the
Oil Comapnies cutting refining to choke supply and maintain and increase
the price of Fuels.
They call for increasing, and it is, domestic oil production even more
but we are not seeing and price reduction domestically.
Affordable Energy is a foundation, of American Economy along with food.
Ethanol drives up prices of both and it is costing us an arm and a leg
in subsidies to the Corn Ethanol Lobby. It is driving up the price of
food at every level.
Soe we have higher fuel cost and food cost to satisfy the socialist
agenda which they envision eveybody in sweaters and on bikes or walking
and Big Oil trying to bring back the Seven Sisters and eventually a
Standard OIl.
Who is Washington or what is Washington promoting??

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:50:05 -0400, Lil Abner wrote:

Oil Comapnies have been selling off and
closing Refineries domestically, THAT WERE HUGELY PROFITABLE, and
blaming it on Environmentalist and Government. The real culprit is the
Oil Comapnies cutting refining to choke supply and maintain and increase
the price of Fuels.

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That's not really true. It has become uneconomical to build and
operate refineries in the US for a variety of reasons. Are you
willing to pay more for your gasoline to have it refined here? Are
you willing to have a refinery in your backyard? No one else is too
eager to have one either. They are lousy neighbors even when they
meet all of the environmental regs.

On 10/28/11 7:32 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:50:05 -0400, Lil wrote:

Oil Comapnies have been selling off and
closing Refineries domestically, THAT WERE HUGELY PROFITABLE, and
blaming it on Environmentalist and Government. The real culprit is the
Oil Comapnies cutting refining to choke supply and maintain and increase
the price of Fuels.

====

That's not really true. It has become uneconomical to build and
operate refineries in the US for a variety of reasons. Are you
willing to pay more for your gasoline to have it refined here? Are
you willing to have a refinery in your backyard? No one else is too
eager to have one either. They are lousy neighbors even when they
meet all of the environmental regs.



That's our W'hine...always apologizing for corporate crooks.

On 10/28/2011 7:32 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:50:05 -0400, Lil wrote:

Oil Comapnies have been selling off and
closing Refineries domestically, THAT WERE HUGELY PROFITABLE, and
blaming it on Environmentalist and Government. The real culprit is the
Oil Comapnies cutting refining to choke supply and maintain and increase
the price of Fuels.

====

That's not really true. It has become uneconomical to build and
operate refineries in the US for a variety of reasons. Are you
willing to pay more for your gasoline to have it refined here? Are
you willing to have a refinery in your backyard? No one else is too
eager to have one either. They are lousy neighbors even when they
meet all of the environmental regs.

Did you not read of the House Investigations. I don't remember but think
it was 2008.

On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:06:05 -0400, Lil Abner wrote:

Did you not read of the House Investigations. I don't remember but think
it was 2008.

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You can buy gasoline refined overseas by the tanker load. If you
don't buy it, someone else will. If you think gasoline is expensive
here, try driving around in Europe for a while.

On 10/28/2011 9:07 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:06:05 -0400, Lil wrote:e.

Did you not read of the House Investigations. I don't remember but think
it was 2008.

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You can buy gasoline refined overseas by the tanker load. If you
don't buy it, someone else will. If you think gasoline is expensive
here, try driving around in Europe for a while.

My concerns are here in the USA. Wall Street/Washington Globalist want
us to share all the problems of everywhere else for their wealth.
They haven't made the Bushmen, of the Sub Sahara rich but they have made
us poor.
Share the wealth with the rest of the world/share the poverty of the
rest of the world.
World Peace through world trade.
it is all bs. the truth is raid Americans and their Republic for
Globalist Elites pockets.

On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 22:10:21 -0400, Lil Abner wrote:

On 10/28/2011 9:07 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:06:05 -0400, Lil wrote:e.

Did you not read of the House Investigations. I don't remember but think
it was 2008.

===========

You can buy gasoline refined overseas by the tanker load. If you
don't buy it, someone else will. If you think gasoline is expensive
here, try driving around in Europe for a while.

My concerns are here in the USA. Wall Street/Washington Globalist want
us to share all the problems of everywhere else for their wealth.
They haven't made the Bushmen, of the Sub Sahara rich but they have made
us poor.
Share the wealth with the rest of the world/share the poverty of the
rest of the world.
World Peace through world trade.
it is all bs. the truth is raid Americans and their Republic for
Globalist Elites pockets.

=========

Be careful what you ask for. A lot of things that we now buy for
half way reasonable prices would double or triple in price if made in
the US (at current wage rates). Some things might become totally
unavailable because the manufacturing expertise for certain products
does not exist here. A lot of the best engineering talent in the US
has been siphoned of by the military/aerospace industries.

On 10/30/11 12:31 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 22:10:21 -0400, Lil wrote:

On 10/28/2011 9:07 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:06:05 -0400, Lil wrote:e.

Did you not read of the House Investigations. I don't remember but think
it was 2008.

===========

You can buy gasoline refined overseas by the tanker load. If you
don't buy it, someone else will. If you think gasoline is expensive
here, try driving around in Europe for a while.

My concerns are here in the USA. Wall Street/Washington Globalist want
us to share all the problems of everywhere else for their wealth.
They haven't made the Bushmen, of the Sub Sahara rich but they have made
us poor.
Share the wealth with the rest of the world/share the poverty of the
rest of the world.
World Peace through world trade.
it is all bs. the truth is raid Americans and their Republic for
Globalist Elites pockets.

=========

Be careful what you ask for. A lot of things that we now buy for
half way reasonable prices would double or triple in price if made in
the US (at current wage rates). Some things might become totally
unavailable because the manufacturing expertise for certain products
does not exist here. A lot of the best engineering talent in the US
has been siphoned of by the military/aerospace industries.



Translation:

If we change anything in this country in economics, manufacturing,
whatever, rich people in the United States *might* have a tad less
income to hoard and not invest in this country. Maybe. Therefore, we
should leave everything alone, even though those with middle class or
lower incomes are going right down the tubes.

The reality is that goods are not necessarily any less expensive for
consumers when they manufactured overseas in countries that pay close to
slave labor wages. The difference is that instead of making, say, a $15
net profit on an item made in the USA that wholesales for $100, the
multinational corporation takes that manufacturing to China, where its
net profit, including shipping, on that $100 at wholesale item is now
$55. It still wholesales in the USA for the same price and retails for
the same price, too. There's no difference in the price the consumer
pays, just in the percentage of profit the manufacturer pockets.

It's just greed that takes manufacturing overseas. It's still profitable
to manufacture here, it's just not *as* profitable.

We're heading for a restructuring of society in this country. We're
either going to end up with a peaceful transition that produces equity
for the middle and lower income groups or there will be blood in the
streets. And you know what? Sooner rather than later the majority of
police and other enforcers of civil behavior will realize *they* are
getting ****ed by the rich, too.

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 22:10:21 -0400, Lil Abner wrote:

On 10/28/2011 9:07 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:06:05 -0400, Lil wrote:e.

Did you not read of the House Investigations. I don't remember but think
it was 2008.

===========

You can buy gasoline refined overseas by the tanker load. If you
don't buy it, someone else will. If you think gasoline is expensive
here, try driving around in Europe for a while.

My concerns are here in the USA. Wall Street/Washington Globalist want
us to share all the problems of everywhere else for their wealth.
They haven't made the Bushmen, of the Sub Sahara rich but they have made
us poor.
Share the wealth with the rest of the world/share the poverty of the
rest of the world.
World Peace through world trade.
it is all bs. the truth is raid Americans and their Republic for
Globalist Elites pockets.

=========

Be careful what you ask for. A lot of things that we now buy for
half way reasonable prices would double or triple in price if made in
the US (at current wage rates). Some things might become totally
unavailable because the manufacturing expertise for certain products
does not exist here. A lot of the best engineering talent in the US
has been siphoned of by the military/aerospace industries.

The military/aerospace industries, through the ages, have provided us
with quit a few useful things.

The first that comes to mind is the Roman road system.