On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:04:27 -0700 (PDT), "*e#c"
wrote:

On Oct 25, 1:58*pm, jps wrote:
Well, at least the wealthiest...

Rick Perry’s plan to scrap the graduated income tax and replace it
with a 20-percent flat rate would call for deep cuts in federal
programs and grant a major tax cut for the wealthy by eliminating
estate and capital gains taxes while sharply lowering the rate the
richest Americans pay on the bulk of their income, which is now set at
35 percent.

This guy is clearly the dumbest of all the Republican clowns running.

35 percent? Thats it? Boy, its no wonder the USA is screwed.

That's before all the deductions and loopholes built into the tax code
that favor the wealthy.

On 25/10/2011 12:06 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:04:27 -0700 (PDT), "*e#c"
wrote:

On Oct 25, 1:58 pm, wrote:
Well, at least the wealthiest...

Rick Perry’s plan to scrap the graduated income tax and replace it
with a 20-percent flat rate would call for deep cuts in federal
programs and grant a major tax cut for the wealthy by eliminating
estate and capital gains taxes while sharply lowering the rate the
richest Americans pay on the bulk of their income, which is now set at
35 percent.

This guy is clearly the dumbest of all the Republican clowns running.

35 percent? Thats it? Boy, its no wonder the USA is screwed.

That's before all the deductions and loopholes built into the tax code
that favor the wealthy.

Obviously you must be a low contributer to society or you would know
your full of ****. Fact is middle-upper class and up pay the bills,
lower class just lay on their useless asses and pay zip. 47% of you
lazy *******s don't contribute enough yet want to persecute the 1% that
pays a lot.

Answer, unemployment and a crappy economy as why invest in greedy,
ungrateful, silly, envious, selfish *******s like you?
--
Eat the rich, screw the companies and wonder why there are no jobs. But
we have big huge government we can't afford...
-- Obama and the lefty fleabagger attitude

On 10/25/2011 2:43 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 25/10/2011 12:06 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:04:27 -0700 (PDT), "*e#c"
wrote:

On Oct 25, 1:58 pm, wrote:
Well, at least the wealthiest...

Rick Perry’s plan to scrap the graduated income tax and replace it
with a 20-percent flat rate would call for deep cuts in federal
programs and grant a major tax cut for the wealthy by eliminating
estate and capital gains taxes while sharply lowering the rate the
richest Americans pay on the bulk of their income, which is now set at
35 percent.

This guy is clearly the dumbest of all the Republican clowns running.

35 percent? Thats it? Boy, its no wonder the USA is screwed.

That's before all the deductions and loopholes built into the tax code
that favor the wealthy.

Obviously you must be a low contributer to society or you would know
your full of ****. Fact is middle-upper class and up pay the bills,
lower class just lay on their useless asses and pay zip. 47% of you lazy
*******s don't contribute enough yet want to persecute the 1% that pays
a lot.

Answer, unemployment and a crappy economy as why invest in greedy,
ungrateful, silly, envious, selfish *******s like you?
Get it right if you're going to use it.
I don't remember the published report but the majority of taxes are paid
by wage earners at about 45%. Corporations, the 1%, paid about 12% and
the rest from exise taxes etc.

On 25/10/2011 4:29 PM, Ernest wrote:
On 10/25/2011 2:43 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 25/10/2011 12:06 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:04:27 -0700 (PDT), "*e#c"
wrote:

On Oct 25, 1:58 pm, wrote:
Well, at least the wealthiest...

Rick Perry’s plan to scrap the graduated income tax and replace it
with a 20-percent flat rate would call for deep cuts in federal
programs and grant a major tax cut for the wealthy by eliminating
estate and capital gains taxes while sharply lowering the rate the
richest Americans pay on the bulk of their income, which is now set at
35 percent.

This guy is clearly the dumbest of all the Republican clowns running.

35 percent? Thats it? Boy, its no wonder the USA is screwed.

That's before all the deductions and loopholes built into the tax code
that favor the wealthy.

Obviously you must be a low contributer to society or you would know
your full of ****. Fact is middle-upper class and up pay the bills,
lower class just lay on their useless asses and pay zip. 47% of you lazy
*******s don't contribute enough yet want to persecute the 1% that pays
a lot.

Answer, unemployment and a crappy economy as why invest in greedy,
ungrateful, silly, envious, selfish *******s like you?
Get it right if you're going to use it.
I don't remember the published report but the majority of taxes are paid
by wage earners at about 45%. Corporations, the 1%, paid about 12% and
the rest from exise taxes etc.

I know those numbers are bull****. Lets try:

http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/

But will add this. In a zero rte economy, it also allows companies to
make less money and keep share holders on board.

The result is less income, less taxes.

Do you think GM is declaring taxes? With their 3 decades of losses
carry forward and continued screw ups you will never see taxes out of
these 'nips ever.

Fact is, no income, no taxes.

Government shot itself in the head with fraud low interest rates.
Screwed the economy bad. With 20% unemployed, US companies earnings
minus past losses, well, kind of hosed the revenue side of government.

Just like killing the goose that laid the golden eggs.

Fact is US Fed Bernanke, and 0bama over spend, and the 2006 congress go
ahead for excessive money print fraud all pooched the American dream.
--
The reason government can't fix the economic problems is government is
the problem.

On 10/25/2011 8:25 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 25/10/2011 4:29 PM, Ernest wrote:
On 10/25/2011 2:43 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 25/10/2011 12:06 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:04:27 -0700 (PDT), "*e#c"
wrote:

On Oct 25, 1:58 pm, wrote:
Well, at least the wealthiest...

Rick Perry’s plan to scrap the graduated income tax and replace it
with a 20-percent flat rate would call for deep cuts in federal
programs and grant a major tax cut for the wealthy by eliminating
estate and capital gains taxes while sharply lowering the rate the
richest Americans pay on the bulk of their income, which is now
set at
35 percent.

This guy is clearly the dumbest of all the Republican clowns running.

35 percent? Thats it? Boy, its no wonder the USA is screwed.

That's before all the deductions and loopholes built into the tax code
that favor the wealthy.

Obviously you must be a low contributer to society or you would know
your full of ****. Fact is middle-upper class and up pay the bills,
lower class just lay on their useless asses and pay zip. 47% of you lazy
*******s don't contribute enough yet want to persecute the 1% that pays
a lot.

Answer, unemployment and a crappy economy as why invest in greedy,
ungrateful, silly, envious, selfish *******s like you?
Get it right if you're going to use it.
I don't remember the published report but the majority of taxes are paid
by wage earners at about 45%. Corporations, the 1%, paid about 12% and
the rest from exise taxes etc.

I know those numbers are bull****. Lets try:

http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/

But will add this. In a zero rte economy, it also allows companies to
make less money and keep share holders on board.

The result is less income, less taxes.

Do you think GM is declaring taxes? With their 3 decades of losses carry
forward and continued screw ups you will never see taxes out of these
'nips ever.

Fact is, no income, no taxes.

Government shot itself in the head with fraud low interest rates.
Screwed the economy bad. With 20% unemployed, US companies earnings
minus past losses, well, kind of hosed the revenue side of government.

Just like killing the goose that laid the golden eggs.

Fact is US Fed Bernanke, and 0bama over spend, and the 2006 congress go
ahead for excessive money print fraud all pooched the American dream.
You have a confusion and ommission of some facts.
There is blaem to assign to all of them. It is not a dem or rep thing.
The figures were close and official releases. I can't find the cite
right now but they numbers are close. You have the Ownership Society as
viewd by the upper seats, of the 1%/Supply side Economics/government.
Then there is the herd. Social issues is all they are debating and
playing with except cutting the taxes of those already paying very
little already on hyge incomes.
The Flat Tax and Fair Tax are regressive taxes and the lower your income
is the worse they hurt. They would amount to uber rich paying virtually
no tax.

On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:29:12 -0400, Ernest wrote:

On 10/25/2011 2:43 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 25/10/2011 12:06 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:04:27 -0700 (PDT), "*e#c"
wrote:

On Oct 25, 1:58 pm, wrote:
Well, at least the wealthiest...

Rick Perry’s plan to scrap the graduated income tax and replace it
with a 20-percent flat rate would call for deep cuts in federal
programs and grant a major tax cut for the wealthy by eliminating
estate and capital gains taxes while sharply lowering the rate the
richest Americans pay on the bulk of their income, which is now set at
35 percent.

This guy is clearly the dumbest of all the Republican clowns running.

35 percent? Thats it? Boy, its no wonder the USA is screwed.

That's before all the deductions and loopholes built into the tax code
that favor the wealthy.

Obviously you must be a low contributer to society or you would know
your full of ****. Fact is middle-upper class and up pay the bills,
lower class just lay on their useless asses and pay zip. 47% of you lazy
*******s don't contribute enough yet want to persecute the 1% that pays
a lot.

Answer, unemployment and a crappy economy as why invest in greedy,
ungrateful, silly, envious, selfish *******s like you?

Get it right if you're going to use it.
I don't remember the published report but the majority of taxes are paid
by wage earners at about 45%. Corporations, the 1%, paid about 12% and
the rest from exise taxes etc.

Canook lives on the outskirts of Toronto and spends his day harping
about the US. Pretty sure he's a shut in.

Federal taxes hit everybody every day but fools like Canook haven't a
clue. They think federal taxes only come in the form of income tax.

On Oct 26, 2:45*am, jps wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:29:12 -0400, Ernest wrote:
On 10/25/2011 2:43 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 25/10/2011 12:06 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:04:27 -0700 (PDT), "*e#c"
wrote:

On Oct 25, 1:58 pm, wrote:
Well, at least the wealthiest...

Rick Perry’s plan to scrap the graduated income tax and replace it
with a 20-percent flat rate would call for deep cuts in federal
programs and grant a major tax cut for the wealthy by eliminating
estate and capital gains taxes while sharply lowering the rate the
richest Americans pay on the bulk of their income, which is now set at
35 percent.

This guy is clearly the dumbest of all the Republican clowns running.

35 percent? Thats it? Boy, its no wonder the USA is screwed.

That's before all the deductions and loopholes built into the tax code
that favor the wealthy.

Obviously you must be a low contributer to society or you would know
your full of ****. Fact is middle-upper class and up pay the bills,
lower class just lay on their useless asses and pay zip. 47% of you lazy
*******s don't contribute enough yet want to persecute the 1% that pays
a lot.

Answer, unemployment and a crappy economy as why invest in greedy,
ungrateful, silly, envious, selfish *******s like you?
Get it right if you're going to use it.
I don't remember the published report but the majority of taxes are paid
by wage earners at about 45%. Corporations, the 1%, paid about 12% and
the rest from exise taxes etc.

Canook lives on the outskirts of Toronto and spends his day harping
about the US. *Pretty sure he's a shut in.

Federal taxes hit everybody every day but fools like Canook haven't a
clue. *They think federal taxes only come in the form of income tax.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Oct 26, 2:45*am, jps wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:29:12 -0400, Ernest wrote:
On 10/25/2011 2:43 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 25/10/2011 12:06 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:04:27 -0700 (PDT), "*e#c"
wrote:

On Oct 25, 1:58 pm, wrote:
Well, at least the wealthiest...

Rick Perry’s plan to scrap the graduated income tax and replace it
with a 20-percent flat rate would call for deep cuts in federal
programs and grant a major tax cut for the wealthy by eliminating
estate and capital gains taxes while sharply lowering the rate the
richest Americans pay on the bulk of their income, which is now set at
35 percent.

This guy is clearly the dumbest of all the Republican clowns running.

35 percent? Thats it? Boy, its no wonder the USA is screwed.

That's before all the deductions and loopholes built into the tax code
that favor the wealthy.

Obviously you must be a low contributer to society or you would know
your full of ****. Fact is middle-upper class and up pay the bills,
lower class just lay on their useless asses and pay zip. 47% of you lazy
*******s don't contribute enough yet want to persecute the 1% that pays
a lot.

Answer, unemployment and a crappy economy as why invest in greedy,
ungrateful, silly, envious, selfish *******s like you?
Get it right if you're going to use it.
I don't remember the published report but the majority of taxes are paid
by wage earners at about 45%. Corporations, the 1%, paid about 12% and
the rest from exise taxes etc.

Canook lives on the outskirts of Toronto and spends his day harping
about the US. *Pretty sure he's a shut in.

Federal taxes hit everybody every day but fools like Canook haven't a
clue. *They think federal taxes only come in the form of income tax.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Canuckles usually claims to live in Alberta..... where they consider
themselves 'Little Texas'.

On 10/26/11 10:18 AM, North Star wrote:
On Oct 26, 2:45 am, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:29:12 -0400, wrote:
On 10/25/2011 2:43 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 25/10/2011 12:06 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:04:27 -0700 (PDT), "*e#c"
wrote:

On Oct 25, 1:58 pm, wrote:
Well, at least the wealthiest...

Rick Perry’s plan to scrap the graduated income tax and replace it
with a 20-percent flat rate would call for deep cuts in federal
programs and grant a major tax cut for the wealthy by eliminating
estate and capital gains taxes while sharply lowering the rate the
richest Americans pay on the bulk of their income, which is now set at
35 percent.

This guy is clearly the dumbest of all the Republican clowns running.

35 percent? Thats it? Boy, its no wonder the USA is screwed.

That's before all the deductions and loopholes built into the tax code
that favor the wealthy.

Obviously you must be a low contributer to society or you would know
your full of ****. Fact is middle-upper class and up pay the bills,
lower class just lay on their useless asses and pay zip. 47% of you lazy
*******s don't contribute enough yet want to persecute the 1% that pays
a lot.

Answer, unemployment and a crappy economy as why invest in greedy,
ungrateful, silly, envious, selfish *******s like you?
Get it right if you're going to use it.
I don't remember the published report but the majority of taxes are paid
by wage earners at about 45%. Corporations, the 1%, paid about 12% and
the rest from exise taxes etc.

Canook lives on the outskirts of Toronto and spends his day harping
about the US. Pretty sure he's a shut in.

Federal taxes hit everybody every day but fools like Canook haven't a
clue. They think federal taxes only come in the form of income tax.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Canuckles usually claims to live in Alberta..... where they consider
themselves 'Little Texas'.


I can't imagine why anyone would want their home area to be considered
like any sort of Texas.

On Oct 25, 2:06*pm, jps wrote:
On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 11:04:27 -0700 (PDT), "*e#c"

wrote:
On Oct 25, 1:58*pm, jps wrote:
Well, at least the wealthiest...

Rick Perry’s plan to scrap the graduated income tax and replace it
with a 20-percent flat rate would call for deep cuts in federal
programs and grant a major tax cut for the wealthy by eliminating
estate and capital gains taxes while sharply lowering the rate the
richest Americans pay on the bulk of their income, which is now set at
35 percent.

This guy is clearly the dumbest of all the Republican clowns running.

35 percent? Thats it? * Boy, its no wonder the USA is screwed.

That's before all the deductions and loopholes built into the tax code
that favor the wealthy.

You guys can't get your story straight. One minute you say the rich
don't pay *any* taxes, the next it's that a 20% rate would be sharply
lowering their rate.

And how in the hell does a tax code that has the bottom levels paying
little to no tax, and even giving them refunds exceeding what they
paid in, favor the wealthy?

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Feeling overtaxed? Under the U.S. income tax system, most of the taxes
collected are supposed to be paid by the people who make the most
money. Thanks to President Bush's tax cuts, that is exactly the way
the system works, says the U.S. Treasury Department.
According to the Office of Tax Analysis, the U.S. individual income
tax is "highly progressive," with a small group of higher-income
taxpayers paying most of the individual income taxes each year.


•In 2002 the latest year of available data, the top 5 percent of
taxpayers paid more than one-half (53.8 percent) of all individual
income taxes, but reported roughly one-third (30.6 percent) of income.


•The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid 33.7 percent of all individual
income taxes in 2002. This group of taxpayers has paid more than 30
percent of individual income taxes since 1995. Moreover, since 1990
this group’s tax share has grown faster than their income share.

•Taxpayers who rank in the top 50 percent of taxpayers by income pay
virtually all individual income taxes. In all years since 1990,
taxpayers in this group have paid over 94 percent of all individual
income taxes. In 2000, 2001, and 2002, this group paid over 96 percent
of the total.
Treasury Department analysts credit President Bush's tax cuts with
shifting a larger share of the individual income taxes paid to higher
income taxpayers. In 2005, says the Treasury, when most of the tax cut
provisions are fully in effect (e.g., lower tax rates, the $1,000
child credit, marriage penalty relief), the projected tax share for
lower-income taxpayers will fall, while the tax share for higher-
income taxpayers will rise.



•The share of taxes paid by the bottom 50 percent of taxpayers will
fall from 4.1 percent to 3.6 percent.


•The share of taxes paid by the top 1 percent of taxpayers will rise
from 32.3 percent to 33.7 percent.


•The average tax rate for the bottom 50 percent of taxpayers falls by
27 percent as compared to a 13 percent decline for taxpayers in the
top 1 percent.
The White House has announced it will lobby Congress to pass
legislation making most of President Bush's tax cutting measures
permanent.

Source: U.S. Treasury, Office of Tax Analysis
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