On 21/10/2011 1:48 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 10/21/11 3:44 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 21/10/2011 1:11 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 10/21/2011 2:53 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

On 10/21/2011 2:20 PM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 12:14:39 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 21:47:27 -0700, wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 00:16:53 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 21:33:25 -0400, X `

wrote:

This whole Arab Spring thing can still blow up in our face if
these
guys don't turn out to be the peace loving people we hope they
will
be. I can remember people talking about what a great guy Castro
was
because he defeated that evil dictator Batista and how he was
going to
bring freedom to the island.. That lasted about 6 weeks until
Castro
said, "Oh wait. Maybe I am really a communist" (after denying
it for
years) and started nationalizing the whole island. Two years
later we
damned near had WWIII over Cuba.

This time it might be WWIII over Israel.

Fortunately, we didn't have an absolute dummy in the white house
during
the cuban missle crisis. We did have an absolute dummy in the
white
house from 2001 to January 2009. You know, the guy who started
two wars
with countries not at war with us. That dummy.

JFK was pretty stupid in that affair and was clearly thinking
with his
dick not his brain.
He took this whole thing to the brink of WWIII for exactly the
same
deal he could have had 10 months before without any drama.
The Soviets wanted our missiles out of Turkey, they pushed the
issue
by putting missiles in Cuba and in the end we pulled the missiles
out
of Turkey.
We just had a dick measuring contest that almost destroyed the
world
before we did it.
I never thought this was a success, on any level. All we proved
was
that the Soviets were not as crazy as we thought they were.
What we
didn't understand was that Castro had operational control of
some of
those missiles and that they were capable of firing them. (a
serious
CIA failure)

And Bush wanted to measure dicks with somebody who didn't have one.

We will have spent 5000 American lives, 50,000 wounded, 1 million
Iraqis dead or displaced.

All for a dick measurement against no one.

I agree Iraq was stupid but it wasn't toying with thermonuclear war.

Your point being?

His point being that Kennedy was "toying with thermonuclear war"...
What
is so hard about that. Are you such an ideologue, you can't even
read a
plainly put statement? Really...

And quite frankly, the one obvious reason we went into Iraq (if we
suggest there was an alternative for the sake of "this" argument),
poke
holes in the suggestion that we went in to try and get some American
troops and supply lines closer to Iran, who is still working furiously
to get a nuke to Isreal, Saudi, USA, and Europe... Think about it, if
you can get the Bush Derangement Syndrome under control for a
minute...

That's about the stupidest excuse for going there that I've ever heard!

So, you don't think Iran's nukes are a threat? You don't think Pakistan
is a threat? Wow, talk about stupid...

Especially since religious fanatics are at the buttons. Good part is
they are probably crude and low yield. But still.


You'd better hope Cain or Perry aren't the next president because
they're also religious fanatics, especially Perry.

Actually, I couldn't really give a ****. So what if they are religious?
If that is what it takes to get some people with integrity and honor
let them in. I worry more about character and past history than
fleabagger smear and fear.

But personally think a Bahmann/Paul ticket is best, but under no
illuson, when push comes to shove people vote greed and not integrity.
But my job is to work with it. But my job is to work with it.

Just made and collected $26K from the USD devaluation screw up and a
small foreign exchange play. Nice for only 5 weeks in. Sweet, you can
count on corruption in DC money print for 0bama delinquent debt spend.
--
Eat the rich, screw the companies and wonder why there are no jobs. But
we have big huge government we can't afford...
-- Obama and the lefty fleabagger attitude

On 10/21/11 4:03 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 10/21/2011 3:42 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 10/21/11 3:36 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 10/21/2011 3:22 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 10/21/11 3:11 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 10/21/2011 2:53 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,

says...

On 10/21/2011 2:20 PM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 12:14:39 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 21:47:27 -0700, wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 00:16:53 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 21:33:25 -0400, X `

wrote:

This whole Arab Spring thing can still blow up in our face if
these
guys don't turn out to be the peace loving people we hope they
will
be. I can remember people talking about what a great guy
Castro
was
because he defeated that evil dictator Batista and how he was
going to
bring freedom to the island.. That lasted about 6 weeks until
Castro
said, "Oh wait. Maybe I am really a communist" (after denying
it for
years) and started nationalizing the whole island. Two years
later we
damned near had WWIII over Cuba.

This time it might be WWIII over Israel.

Fortunately, we didn't have an absolute dummy in the white
house
during
the cuban missle crisis. We did have an absolute dummy in the
white
house from 2001 to January 2009. You know, the guy who started
two wars
with countries not at war with us. That dummy.

JFK was pretty stupid in that affair and was clearly thinking
with his
dick not his brain.
He took this whole thing to the brink of WWIII for exactly the
same
deal he could have had 10 months before without any drama.
The Soviets wanted our missiles out of Turkey, they pushed the
issue
by putting missiles in Cuba and in the end we pulled the
missiles
out
of Turkey.
We just had a dick measuring contest that almost destroyed the
world
before we did it.
I never thought this was a success, on any level. All we proved
was
that the Soviets were not as crazy as we thought they were.
What we
didn't understand was that Castro had operational control of
some of
those missiles and that they were capable of firing them. (a
serious
CIA failure)

And Bush wanted to measure dicks with somebody who didn't have
one.

We will have spent 5000 American lives, 50,000 wounded, 1 million
Iraqis dead or displaced.

All for a dick measurement against no one.

I agree Iraq was stupid but it wasn't toying with thermonuclear
war.

Your point being?

His point being that Kennedy was "toying with thermonuclear war"...
What
is so hard about that. Are you such an ideologue, you can't even
read a
plainly put statement? Really...

And quite frankly, the one obvious reason we went into Iraq (if we
suggest there was an alternative for the sake of "this" argument),
poke
holes in the suggestion that we went in to try and get some American
troops and supply lines closer to Iran, who is still working
furiously
to get a nuke to Isreal, Saudi, USA, and Europe... Think about
it, if
you can get the Bush Derangement Syndrome under control for a
minute...

That's about the stupidest excuse for going there that I've ever
heard!

So, you don't think Iran's nukes are a threat? You don't think
Pakistan
is a threat? Wow, talk about stupid...


We're not going to invade Iran absent a powerful and significant act of
war on its part so long as someone mentally competent is in the White
House. Yet another reason not to vote for Republicans.

Yeah, and in the mean time Obama is making sure there is a huge buffer
of Iran friendly countries between us, and them... We just got kicked
out of Iraq because Obama couldn't negotiate a deal to protect our
Soldiers from the Iranian influence in Iraq.


Iraq isn't and never will be one of those "friendly" post WWII defeated
countries like Japan or Germany. If we have a small force in a
*belligerent* country and it cannot protect itself, we have no business
having troops there.

Of all the problems Bush opened in his Pandora's box of invading Iraq,
the most significant was the fact that he didn't have an End Game
because...there isn't one.

In your opinion, but it would be nice to have a full array of deterrent
in Iraq while Iran is working so hard on a bomb and delivery system, the
only way you can deny that, is if you are a liar... oh wait!


The Iraqis are tired of our occupation of their country. I don't blame
them. Besides, we don't have the case to maintain a "full array" of much
of anything in Iraq, thanks to Bush.

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says...

On 10/21/2011 3:21 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

On 10/21/2011 2:53 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,
says...

On 10/21/2011 2:20 PM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 12:14:39 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 21:47:27 -0700, wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 00:16:53 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 21:33:25 -0400, X `
wrote:

This whole Arab Spring thing can still blow up in our face if these
guys don't turn out to be the peace loving people we hope they will
be. I can remember people talking about what a great guy Castro was
because he defeated that evil dictator Batista and how he was going to
bring freedom to the island.. That lasted about 6 weeks until Castro
said, "Oh wait. Maybe I am really a communist" (after denying it for
years) and started nationalizing the whole island. Two years later we
damned near had WWIII over Cuba.

This time it might be WWIII over Israel.

Fortunately, we didn't have an absolute dummy in the white house during
the cuban missle crisis. We did have an absolute dummy in the white
house from 2001 to January 2009. You know, the guy who started two wars
with countries not at war with us. That dummy.

JFK was pretty stupid in that affair and was clearly thinking with his
dick not his brain.
He took this whole thing to the brink of WWIII for exactly the same
deal he could have had 10 months before without any drama.
The Soviets wanted our missiles out of Turkey, they pushed the issue
by putting missiles in Cuba and in the end we pulled the missiles out
of Turkey.
We just had a dick measuring contest that almost destroyed the world
before we did it.
I never thought this was a success, on any level. All we proved was
that the Soviets were not as crazy as we thought they were. What we
didn't understand was that Castro had operational control of some of
those missiles and that they were capable of firing them. (a serious
CIA failure)

And Bush wanted to measure dicks with somebody who didn't have one.

We will have spent 5000 American lives, 50,000 wounded, 1 million
Iraqis dead or displaced.

All for a dick measurement against no one.

I agree Iraq was stupid but it wasn't toying with thermonuclear war.

Your point being?

His point being that Kennedy was "toying with thermonuclear war"... What
is so hard about that. Are you such an ideologue, you can't even read a
plainly put statement? Really...

And quite frankly, the one obvious reason we went into Iraq (if we
suggest there was an alternative for the sake of "this" argument), poke
holes in the suggestion that we went in to try and get some American
troops and supply lines closer to Iran, who is still working furiously
to get a nuke to Isreal, Saudi, USA, and Europe... Think about it, if
you can get the Bush Derangement Syndrome under control for a minute...

That's about the stupidest excuse for going there that I've ever heard!

So, you don't think Iran's nukes are a threat? You don't think Pakistan
is a threat? Wow, talk about stupid...

Good god, man!!! I never said that Iran's nukes aren't a threat. And no,
Pakistan is not a threat, but alas, I never said that neither. What I
said was "That's about the stupidest excuse for going there that I've
ever heard." If Bush spent billions of dollars to go to Iraq and start a
war to have access to Iran, that's beyond stupid.

Ever play Risk? Your opinion is no different than mine, except yours
comes with the obligatory insults...

Do you mean like "Talk about stupid"?

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:05:41 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 11:20:58 -0700, jps wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 12:14:39 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 21:47:27 -0700, jps wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 00:16:53 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 21:33:25 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

This whole Arab Spring thing can still blow up in our face if these
guys don't turn out to be the peace loving people we hope they will
be. I can remember people talking about what a great guy Castro was
because he defeated that evil dictator Batista and how he was going to
bring freedom to the island.. That lasted about 6 weeks until Castro
said, "Oh wait. Maybe I am really a communist" (after denying it for
years) and started nationalizing the whole island. Two years later we
damned near had WWIII over Cuba.

This time it might be WWIII over Israel.

Fortunately, we didn't have an absolute dummy in the white house during
the cuban missle crisis. We did have an absolute dummy in the white
house from 2001 to January 2009. You know, the guy who started two wars
with countries not at war with us. That dummy.

JFK was pretty stupid in that affair and was clearly thinking with his
dick not his brain.
He took this whole thing to the brink of WWIII for exactly the same
deal he could have had 10 months before without any drama.
The Soviets wanted our missiles out of Turkey, they pushed the issue
by putting missiles in Cuba and in the end we pulled the missiles out
of Turkey.
We just had a dick measuring contest that almost destroyed the world
before we did it.
I never thought this was a success, on any level. All we proved was
that the Soviets were not as crazy as we thought they were. What we
didn't understand was that Castro had operational control of some of
those missiles and that they were capable of firing them. (a serious
CIA failure)

And Bush wanted to measure dicks with somebody who didn't have one.

We will have spent 5000 American lives, 50,000 wounded, 1 million
Iraqis dead or displaced.

All for a dick measurement against no one.

I agree Iraq was stupid but it wasn't toying with thermonuclear war.

Your point being?
You made one of those false equivalencies.

What was false about it? Bush wanted to measure dicks with Saddam.

exactly,...i completely agree with your views,..!
what's the guarantee this whole agitation and rebellion in Libya will not produce many more qaddafis,...????

On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 00:35:00 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 19:47:16 -0700, jps wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:05:41 -0400, wrote:



I agree Iraq was stupid but it wasn't toying with thermonuclear war.

Your point being?
You made one of those false equivalencies.

What was false about it? Bush wanted to measure dicks with Saddam.

The worst thing that could happen Iraq happened and most of the world
was unchanged. If the Cuban missile Crisis had a tiny little glitch,
western civilization could have been set back to the dark ages.

At least Bush can say he toppled a dictator. JFK didn't accomplish a
thing, in Cuba or the USSR. It was all for nothing.
The Cuban dictator is still there 50 years later.The Soviet
dictatorship lasted 36 more years and it is easy to say Russia is
still a virtual dictatorship. (unless you really believe Putin can be
tossed out in an election)

We didn't invade Cuba, commit a trillion dollars and 5000 lives.

I prefer Kennedy's outcome.

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 16:16:23 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 10/21/11 4:03 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 10/21/2011 3:42 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 10/21/11 3:36 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 10/21/2011 3:22 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 10/21/11 3:11 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 10/21/2011 2:53 PM, iBoaterer wrote:
In ,

says...

On 10/21/2011 2:20 PM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 12:14:39 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 21:47:27 -0700, wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 00:16:53 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 21:33:25 -0400, X `

wrote:

This whole Arab Spring thing can still blow up in our face if
these
guys don't turn out to be the peace loving people we hope they
will
be. I can remember people talking about what a great guy
Castro
was
because he defeated that evil dictator Batista and how he was
going to
bring freedom to the island.. That lasted about 6 weeks until
Castro
said, "Oh wait. Maybe I am really a communist" (after denying
it for
years) and started nationalizing the whole island. Two years
later we
damned near had WWIII over Cuba.

This time it might be WWIII over Israel.

Fortunately, we didn't have an absolute dummy in the white
house
during
the cuban missle crisis. We did have an absolute dummy in the
white
house from 2001 to January 2009. You know, the guy who started
two wars
with countries not at war with us. That dummy.

JFK was pretty stupid in that affair and was clearly thinking
with his
dick not his brain.
He took this whole thing to the brink of WWIII for exactly the
same
deal he could have had 10 months before without any drama.
The Soviets wanted our missiles out of Turkey, they pushed the
issue
by putting missiles in Cuba and in the end we pulled the
missiles
out
of Turkey.
We just had a dick measuring contest that almost destroyed the
world
before we did it.
I never thought this was a success, on any level. All we proved
was
that the Soviets were not as crazy as we thought they were.
What we
didn't understand was that Castro had operational control of
some of
those missiles and that they were capable of firing them. (a
serious
CIA failure)

And Bush wanted to measure dicks with somebody who didn't have
one.

We will have spent 5000 American lives, 50,000 wounded, 1 million
Iraqis dead or displaced.

All for a dick measurement against no one.

I agree Iraq was stupid but it wasn't toying with thermonuclear
war.

Your point being?

His point being that Kennedy was "toying with thermonuclear war"...
What
is so hard about that. Are you such an ideologue, you can't even
read a
plainly put statement? Really...

And quite frankly, the one obvious reason we went into Iraq (if we
suggest there was an alternative for the sake of "this" argument),
poke
holes in the suggestion that we went in to try and get some American
troops and supply lines closer to Iran, who is still working
furiously
to get a nuke to Isreal, Saudi, USA, and Europe... Think about
it, if
you can get the Bush Derangement Syndrome under control for a
minute...

That's about the stupidest excuse for going there that I've ever
heard!

So, you don't think Iran's nukes are a threat? You don't think
Pakistan
is a threat? Wow, talk about stupid...


We're not going to invade Iran absent a powerful and significant act of
war on its part so long as someone mentally competent is in the White
House. Yet another reason not to vote for Republicans.

Yeah, and in the mean time Obama is making sure there is a huge buffer
of Iran friendly countries between us, and them... We just got kicked
out of Iraq because Obama couldn't negotiate a deal to protect our
Soldiers from the Iranian influence in Iraq.


Iraq isn't and never will be one of those "friendly" post WWII defeated
countries like Japan or Germany. If we have a small force in a
*belligerent* country and it cannot protect itself, we have no business
having troops there.

Of all the problems Bush opened in his Pandora's box of invading Iraq,
the most significant was the fact that he didn't have an End Game
because...there isn't one.

In your opinion, but it would be nice to have a full array of deterrent
in Iraq while Iran is working so hard on a bomb and delivery system, the
only way you can deny that, is if you are a liar... oh wait!


The Iraqis are tired of our occupation of their country. I don't blame
them. Besides, we don't have the case to maintain a "full array" of much
of anything in Iraq, thanks to Bush.

Harry, you're picking on the mentally challenged. Bad form.

On Oct 22, 1:21*pm, jps wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 00:35:00 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 19:47:16 -0700, jps wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:05:41 -0400, wrote:

I agree Iraq was stupid but it wasn't toying with thermonuclear war.

Your point being?
You made one of those false equivalencies.

What was false about it? *Bush wanted to measure dicks with Saddam.

The worst thing that could happen Iraq happened and most of the world
was unchanged. If the Cuban missile Crisis had a tiny little glitch,
western civilization could have been set back to the dark ages.

At least Bush can say he toppled a dictator. JFK didn't accomplish a
thing, in Cuba or the USSR. It was all for nothing.
The Cuban dictator is still there 50 years later.The Soviet
dictatorship lasted 36 more years and it is easy to say Russia is
still a virtual dictatorship. (unless you really believe Putin can be
tossed out in an election)

We didn't invade Cuba, commit a trillion dollars and 5000 lives.

I prefer Kennedy's outcome.

Of course, you did enjoy having ICBM's aimed at the US for the next
30+ years, including all the fear and manpower to keep an eye on "Cube-
r" and it's two bit dictator.

I suppose to you that was cheaper.

On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 22:41:49 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:21:27 -0700, jps wrote:

What was false about it? Bush wanted to measure dicks with Saddam.

The worst thing that could happen Iraq happened and most of the world
was unchanged. If the Cuban missile Crisis had a tiny little glitch,
western civilization could have been set back to the dark ages.

At least Bush can say he toppled a dictator. JFK didn't accomplish a
thing, in Cuba or the USSR. It was all for nothing.
The Cuban dictator is still there 50 years later.The Soviet
dictatorship lasted 36 more years and it is easy to say Russia is
still a virtual dictatorship. (unless you really believe Putin can be
tossed out in an election)

We didn't invade Cuba, commit a trillion dollars and 5000 lives.

I prefer Kennedy's outcome.

The outcome was we caved in to the Soviet demands. We could have done
that without all the risk of WWIII. It was a stupid gamble that he
just got lucky on, but JFK had a history of stupid gambles. Some
didn't come out as well.
The whole Cuban debacle that we are still mired in, started with JFK.

And how many lives, wounded and trillions has that cost?

On 10/22/11 10:41 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:21:27 -0700, wrote:

What was false about it? Bush wanted to measure dicks with Saddam.

The worst thing that could happen Iraq happened and most of the world
was unchanged. If the Cuban missile Crisis had a tiny little glitch,
western civilization could have been set back to the dark ages.

At least Bush can say he toppled a dictator. JFK didn't accomplish a
thing, in Cuba or the USSR. It was all for nothing.
The Cuban dictator is still there 50 years later.The Soviet
dictatorship lasted 36 more years and it is easy to say Russia is
still a virtual dictatorship. (unless you really believe Putin can be
tossed out in an election)

We didn't invade Cuba, commit a trillion dollars and 5000 lives.

I prefer Kennedy's outcome.

The outcome was we caved in to the Soviet demands. We could have done
that without all the risk of WWIII. It was a stupid gamble that he
just got lucky on, but JFK had a history of stupid gambles. Some
didn't come out as well.
The whole Cuban debacle that we are still mired in, started with JFK.





The outcome was that Russia packed up its nuclear missiles and took them
home.