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On 10/23/11 5:40 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 10/22/11 10:41 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:21:27 -0700, wrote:

What was false about it? Bush wanted to measure dicks with Saddam.

The worst thing that could happen Iraq happened and most of the world
was unchanged. If the Cuban missile Crisis had a tiny little glitch,
western civilization could have been set back to the dark ages.

At least Bush can say he toppled a dictator. JFK didn't accomplish a
thing, in Cuba or the USSR. It was all for nothing.
The Cuban dictator is still there 50 years later.The Soviet
dictatorship lasted 36 more years and it is easy to say Russia is
still a virtual dictatorship. (unless you really believe Putin can be
tossed out in an election)

We didn't invade Cuba, commit a trillion dollars and 5000 lives.

I prefer Kennedy's outcome.

The outcome was we caved in to the Soviet demands. We could have done
that without all the risk of WWIII. It was a stupid gamble that he
just got lucky on, but JFK had a history of stupid gambles. Some
didn't come out as well.
The whole Cuban debacle that we are still mired in, started with JFK.

The outcome was that Russia packed up its nuclear missiles and took them
home.

Actually, the debacle started long before Kennedy was president. It
started with our support of Fulgencio Batista, the right-wing dictator,
who, during his second round of being Cuba's dictator, sold out the
working classes and his homeland to American capitalists and brutalized
his people. Since Batista was in bed with American corporations, we
supported him. U.S. corporations owned a great deal of Cuban farmland
and most of the island's mineral rights and, of course, Batista was a
bloodthirsty thug.

*That* set the stage for Castro.

We had a penchant for supporting right-wing dictators in those days...in
South Korea, in Iran, in Cuba, in Vietnam. Too bad we didn't line up
with the aspirations of the common man and woman in those countries.

JustWait

On 10/23/2011 1:19 AM, jps wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 22:41:49 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:21:27 -0700, wrote:

What was false about it? Bush wanted to measure dicks with Saddam.

The worst thing that could happen Iraq happened and most of the world
was unchanged. If the Cuban missile Crisis had a tiny little glitch,
western civilization could have been set back to the dark ages.

At least Bush can say he toppled a dictator. JFK didn't accomplish a
thing, in Cuba or the USSR. It was all for nothing.
The Cuban dictator is still there 50 years later.The Soviet
dictatorship lasted 36 more years and it is easy to say Russia is
still a virtual dictatorship. (unless you really believe Putin can be
tossed out in an election)

We didn't invade Cuba, commit a trillion dollars and 5000 lives.

I prefer Kennedy's outcome.

The outcome was we caved in to the Soviet demands. We could have done
that without all the risk of WWIII. It was a stupid gamble that he
just got lucky on, but JFK had a history of stupid gambles. Some
didn't come out as well.
The whole Cuban debacle that we are still mired in, started with JFK.

And how many lives, wounded and trillions has that cost?

Who knows... We will probably never know how many lives have been lost
making the crossing, and how many families have been tortured and killed
because family members did.... But we know you Progressives, sweep that
under the rug for convenience...

JustWait

On 10/23/2011 5:40 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 10/22/11 10:41 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:21:27 -0700, wrote:

What was false about it? Bush wanted to measure dicks with Saddam.

The worst thing that could happen Iraq happened and most of the world
was unchanged. If the Cuban missile Crisis had a tiny little glitch,
western civilization could have been set back to the dark ages.

At least Bush can say he toppled a dictator. JFK didn't accomplish a
thing, in Cuba or the USSR. It was all for nothing.
The Cuban dictator is still there 50 years later.The Soviet
dictatorship lasted 36 more years and it is easy to say Russia is
still a virtual dictatorship. (unless you really believe Putin can be
tossed out in an election)

We didn't invade Cuba, commit a trillion dollars and 5000 lives.

I prefer Kennedy's outcome.

The outcome was we caved in to the Soviet demands. We could have done
that without all the risk of WWIII. It was a stupid gamble that he
just got lucky on, but JFK had a history of stupid gambles. Some
didn't come out as well.
The whole Cuban debacle that we are still mired in, started with JFK.

The outcome was that Russia packed up its nuclear missiles and took them
home.

No, the outcome was we picked up our missiles in Europe, and brought
them home... Just as Russia demanded...

X ` Man[_3_]

On 10/23/11 10:32 AM, JustWait wrote:
On 10/23/2011 5:40 AM, X ` Man wrote:
On 10/22/11 10:41 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:21:27 -0700, wrote:

What was false about it? Bush wanted to measure dicks with Saddam.

The worst thing that could happen Iraq happened and most of the world
was unchanged. If the Cuban missile Crisis had a tiny little glitch,
western civilization could have been set back to the dark ages.

At least Bush can say he toppled a dictator. JFK didn't accomplish a
thing, in Cuba or the USSR. It was all for nothing.
The Cuban dictator is still there 50 years later.The Soviet
dictatorship lasted 36 more years and it is easy to say Russia is
still a virtual dictatorship. (unless you really believe Putin can be
tossed out in an election)

We didn't invade Cuba, commit a trillion dollars and 5000 lives.

I prefer Kennedy's outcome.

The outcome was we caved in to the Soviet demands. We could have done
that without all the risk of WWIII. It was a stupid gamble that he
just got lucky on, but JFK had a history of stupid gambles. Some
didn't come out as well.
The whole Cuban debacle that we are still mired in, started with JFK.

The outcome was that Russia packed up its nuclear missiles and took them
home.

No, the outcome was we picked up our missiles in Europe, and brought
them home... Just as Russia demanded...

Uhhh...we have missiles in Europe, little man, and if memory serves,
we'll soon have them in additional places in Europe. We also have them
in the Persian Gulf and, of course, on board nuclear submarines.

BAR[_2_]

In article ,
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On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 22:41:49 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:21:27 -0700, jps wrote:

What was false about it? Bush wanted to measure dicks with Saddam.

The worst thing that could happen Iraq happened and most of the world
was unchanged. If the Cuban missile Crisis had a tiny little glitch,
western civilization could have been set back to the dark ages.

At least Bush can say he toppled a dictator. JFK didn't accomplish a
thing, in Cuba or the USSR. It was all for nothing.
The Cuban dictator is still there 50 years later.The Soviet
dictatorship lasted 36 more years and it is easy to say Russia is
still a virtual dictatorship. (unless you really believe Putin can be
tossed out in an election)

We didn't invade Cuba, commit a trillion dollars and 5000 lives.

I prefer Kennedy's outcome.

The outcome was we caved in to the Soviet demands. We could have done
that without all the risk of WWIII. It was a stupid gamble that he
just got lucky on, but JFK had a history of stupid gambles. Some
didn't come out as well.
The whole Cuban debacle that we are still mired in, started with JFK.

And how many lives, wounded and trillions has that cost?

The cold war produced many wounded and killed all around the world.

jps

On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 11:25:36 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 22:19:50 -0700, jps wrote:

On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 22:41:49 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:21:27 -0700, jps wrote:

What was false about it? Bush wanted to measure dicks with Saddam.

The worst thing that could happen Iraq happened and most of the world
was unchanged. If the Cuban missile Crisis had a tiny little glitch,
western civilization could have been set back to the dark ages.

At least Bush can say he toppled a dictator. JFK didn't accomplish a
thing, in Cuba or the USSR. It was all for nothing.
The Cuban dictator is still there 50 years later.The Soviet
dictatorship lasted 36 more years and it is easy to say Russia is
still a virtual dictatorship. (unless you really believe Putin can be
tossed out in an election)

We didn't invade Cuba, commit a trillion dollars and 5000 lives.

I prefer Kennedy's outcome.

The outcome was we caved in to the Soviet demands. We could have done
that without all the risk of WWIII. It was a stupid gamble that he
just got lucky on, but JFK had a history of stupid gambles. Some
didn't come out as well.
The whole Cuban debacle that we are still mired in, started with JFK.

And how many lives, wounded and trillions has that cost?

Cuban lives? Oh they are brown people who don't count.
Inflation adjusted, Cuba has probably cost more than Iraq over the
years.

Not to the US. Cuba made its own bed. We didn't break it and we
didn't have to buy it.

We bought Iraq with American taxes and American blood. We broke it
and we're having to fix it. No upside for the US, just a ****load or
sunk cost.

Eisboch[_8_]

"X ` Man" wrote in message
m...

On 10/22/11 10:41 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:21:27 -0700, wrote:

What was false about it? Bush wanted to measure dicks with Saddam.

The worst thing that could happen Iraq happened and most of the world
was unchanged. If the Cuban missile Crisis had a tiny little glitch,
western civilization could have been set back to the dark ages.

At least Bush can say he toppled a dictator. JFK didn't accomplish a
thing, in Cuba or the USSR. It was all for nothing.
The Cuban dictator is still there 50 years later.The Soviet
dictatorship lasted 36 more years and it is easy to say Russia is
still a virtual dictatorship. (unless you really believe Putin can be
tossed out in an election)

We didn't invade Cuba, commit a trillion dollars and 5000 lives.

I prefer Kennedy's outcome.

The outcome was we caved in to the Soviet demands. We could have done
that without all the risk of WWIII. It was a stupid gamble that he
just got lucky on, but JFK had a history of stupid gambles. Some
didn't come out as well.
The whole Cuban debacle that we are still mired in, started with JFK.

The outcome was that Russia packed up its nuclear missiles and took them
home.
---------------------------------------------

The whole thing was initiated by the attempt to overthrow Castro in the Bay
of Pigs fiasco.
The idea originated in the latter months of Eisenhower's administration but
was approved
for execution by Kennedy. Using the Bay of Pigs as a reason, Castro warmed
up to the
Soviet Union for security, which led to the Missile Crisis. The Soviets
removed the Cuban
based missiles because Kennedy agreed to remove ours from certain bases in
Europe.

Nobody "won".

X ` Man

On 10/23/11 7:33 PM, Eisboch wrote:

"X ` Man" wrote in message
m...

On 10/22/11 10:41 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:21:27 -0700, wrote:

What was false about it? Bush wanted to measure dicks with Saddam.

The worst thing that could happen Iraq happened and most of the world
was unchanged. If the Cuban missile Crisis had a tiny little glitch,
western civilization could have been set back to the dark ages.

At least Bush can say he toppled a dictator. JFK didn't accomplish a
thing, in Cuba or the USSR. It was all for nothing.
The Cuban dictator is still there 50 years later.The Soviet
dictatorship lasted 36 more years and it is easy to say Russia is
still a virtual dictatorship. (unless you really believe Putin can be
tossed out in an election)

We didn't invade Cuba, commit a trillion dollars and 5000 lives.

I prefer Kennedy's outcome.

The outcome was we caved in to the Soviet demands. We could have done
that without all the risk of WWIII. It was a stupid gamble that he
just got lucky on, but JFK had a history of stupid gambles. Some
didn't come out as well.
The whole Cuban debacle that we are still mired in, started with JFK.

The outcome was that Russia packed up its nuclear missiles and took them
home.
---------------------------------------------

The whole thing was initiated by the attempt to overthrow Castro in the
Bay of Pigs fiasco.
The idea originated in the latter months of Eisenhower's administration
but was approved
for execution by Kennedy. Using the Bay of Pigs as a reason, Castro
warmed up to the
Soviet Union for security, which led to the Missile Crisis. The Soviets
removed the Cuban
based missiles because Kennedy agreed to remove ours from certain bases
in Europe.

Nobody "won".

Watch it, fella...reasonable posits ain't allowed here.

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