On 10/21/2011 2:20 PM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 12:14:39 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 21:47:27 -0700, wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 00:16:53 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 21:33:25 -0400, X `
wrote:

This whole Arab Spring thing can still blow up in our face if these
guys don't turn out to be the peace loving people we hope they will
be. I can remember people talking about what a great guy Castro was
because he defeated that evil dictator Batista and how he was going to
bring freedom to the island.. That lasted about 6 weeks until Castro
said, "Oh wait. Maybe I am really a communist" (after denying it for
years) and started nationalizing the whole island. Two years later we
damned near had WWIII over Cuba.

This time it might be WWIII over Israel.

Fortunately, we didn't have an absolute dummy in the white house during
the cuban missle crisis. We did have an absolute dummy in the white
house from 2001 to January 2009. You know, the guy who started two wars
with countries not at war with us. That dummy.

JFK was pretty stupid in that affair and was clearly thinking with his
dick not his brain.
He took this whole thing to the brink of WWIII for exactly the same
deal he could have had 10 months before without any drama.
The Soviets wanted our missiles out of Turkey, they pushed the issue
by putting missiles in Cuba and in the end we pulled the missiles out
of Turkey.
We just had a dick measuring contest that almost destroyed the world
before we did it.
I never thought this was a success, on any level. All we proved was
that the Soviets were not as crazy as we thought they were. What we
didn't understand was that Castro had operational control of some of
those missiles and that they were capable of firing them. (a serious
CIA failure)

And Bush wanted to measure dicks with somebody who didn't have one.

We will have spent 5000 American lives, 50,000 wounded, 1 million
Iraqis dead or displaced.

All for a dick measurement against no one.

I agree Iraq was stupid but it wasn't toying with thermonuclear war.

Your point being?

His point being that Kennedy was "toying with thermonuclear war"... What
is so hard about that. Are you such an ideologue, you can't even read a
plainly put statement? Really...

And quite frankly, the one obvious reason we went into Iraq (if we
suggest there was an alternative for the sake of "this" argument), poke
holes in the suggestion that we went in to try and get some American
troops and supply lines closer to Iran, who is still working furiously
to get a nuke to Isreal, Saudi, USA, and Europe... Think about it, if
you can get the Bush Derangement Syndrome under control for a minute...

In article ,
says...

On 10/21/2011 2:20 PM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 12:14:39 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 21:47:27 -0700, wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 00:16:53 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 21:33:25 -0400, X `
wrote:

This whole Arab Spring thing can still blow up in our face if these
guys don't turn out to be the peace loving people we hope they will
be. I can remember people talking about what a great guy Castro was
because he defeated that evil dictator Batista and how he was going to
bring freedom to the island.. That lasted about 6 weeks until Castro
said, "Oh wait. Maybe I am really a communist" (after denying it for
years) and started nationalizing the whole island. Two years later we
damned near had WWIII over Cuba.

This time it might be WWIII over Israel.

Fortunately, we didn't have an absolute dummy in the white house during
the cuban missle crisis. We did have an absolute dummy in the white
house from 2001 to January 2009. You know, the guy who started two wars
with countries not at war with us. That dummy.

JFK was pretty stupid in that affair and was clearly thinking with his
dick not his brain.
He took this whole thing to the brink of WWIII for exactly the same
deal he could have had 10 months before without any drama.
The Soviets wanted our missiles out of Turkey, they pushed the issue
by putting missiles in Cuba and in the end we pulled the missiles out
of Turkey.
We just had a dick measuring contest that almost destroyed the world
before we did it.
I never thought this was a success, on any level. All we proved was
that the Soviets were not as crazy as we thought they were. What we
didn't understand was that Castro had operational control of some of
those missiles and that they were capable of firing them. (a serious
CIA failure)

And Bush wanted to measure dicks with somebody who didn't have one.

We will have spent 5000 American lives, 50,000 wounded, 1 million
Iraqis dead or displaced.

All for a dick measurement against no one.

I agree Iraq was stupid but it wasn't toying with thermonuclear war.

Your point being?

His point being that Kennedy was "toying with thermonuclear war"... What
is so hard about that. Are you such an ideologue, you can't even read a
plainly put statement? Really...

And quite frankly, the one obvious reason we went into Iraq (if we
suggest there was an alternative for the sake of "this" argument), poke
holes in the suggestion that we went in to try and get some American
troops and supply lines closer to Iran, who is still working furiously
to get a nuke to Isreal, Saudi, USA, and Europe... Think about it, if
you can get the Bush Derangement Syndrome under control for a minute...

That's about the stupidest excuse for going there that I've ever heard!

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:05:41 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 11:20:58 -0700, jps wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 12:14:39 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 21:47:27 -0700, jps wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 00:16:53 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 21:33:25 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

This whole Arab Spring thing can still blow up in our face if these
guys don't turn out to be the peace loving people we hope they will
be. I can remember people talking about what a great guy Castro was
because he defeated that evil dictator Batista and how he was going to
bring freedom to the island.. That lasted about 6 weeks until Castro
said, "Oh wait. Maybe I am really a communist" (after denying it for
years) and started nationalizing the whole island. Two years later we
damned near had WWIII over Cuba.

This time it might be WWIII over Israel.

Fortunately, we didn't have an absolute dummy in the white house during
the cuban missle crisis. We did have an absolute dummy in the white
house from 2001 to January 2009. You know, the guy who started two wars
with countries not at war with us. That dummy.

JFK was pretty stupid in that affair and was clearly thinking with his
dick not his brain.
He took this whole thing to the brink of WWIII for exactly the same
deal he could have had 10 months before without any drama.
The Soviets wanted our missiles out of Turkey, they pushed the issue
by putting missiles in Cuba and in the end we pulled the missiles out
of Turkey.
We just had a dick measuring contest that almost destroyed the world
before we did it.
I never thought this was a success, on any level. All we proved was
that the Soviets were not as crazy as we thought they were. What we
didn't understand was that Castro had operational control of some of
those missiles and that they were capable of firing them. (a serious
CIA failure)

And Bush wanted to measure dicks with somebody who didn't have one.

We will have spent 5000 American lives, 50,000 wounded, 1 million
Iraqis dead or displaced.

All for a dick measurement against no one.

I agree Iraq was stupid but it wasn't toying with thermonuclear war.

Your point being?
You made one of those false equivalencies.

What was false about it? Bush wanted to measure dicks with Saddam.

On Sat, 22 Oct 2011 00:35:00 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 19:47:16 -0700, jps wrote:

On Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:05:41 -0400, wrote:



I agree Iraq was stupid but it wasn't toying with thermonuclear war.

Your point being?
You made one of those false equivalencies.

What was false about it? Bush wanted to measure dicks with Saddam.

The worst thing that could happen Iraq happened and most of the world
was unchanged. If the Cuban missile Crisis had a tiny little glitch,
western civilization could have been set back to the dark ages.

At least Bush can say he toppled a dictator. JFK didn't accomplish a
thing, in Cuba or the USSR. It was all for nothing.
The Cuban dictator is still there 50 years later.The Soviet
dictatorship lasted 36 more years and it is easy to say Russia is
still a virtual dictatorship. (unless you really believe Putin can be
tossed out in an election)

We didn't invade Cuba, commit a trillion dollars and 5000 lives.

I prefer Kennedy's outcome.

On 20/10/2011 10:16 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 21:33:25 -0400, X `
wrote:

This whole Arab Spring thing can still blow up in our face if these
guys don't turn out to be the peace loving people we hope they will
be. I can remember people talking about what a great guy Castro was
because he defeated that evil dictator Batista and how he was going to
bring freedom to the island.. That lasted about 6 weeks until Castro
said, "Oh wait. Maybe I am really a communist" (after denying it for
years) and started nationalizing the whole island. Two years later we
damned near had WWIII over Cuba.

This time it might be WWIII over Israel.

Fortunately, we didn't have an absolute dummy in the white house during
the cuban missle crisis. We did have an absolute dummy in the white
house from 2001 to January 2009. You know, the guy who started two wars
with countries not at war with us. That dummy.

JFK was pretty stupid in that affair and was clearly thinking with his
dick not his brain.

I thought it was a good move. No nukes 10 minutes away.

He took this whole thing to the brink of WWIII for exactly the same
deal he could have had 10 months before without any drama.

Maybe sensationalized. 0bama is moving back into it. You should see
what the Chinese and Russian news say about the US-Euro Debtors
Regime...Syria might be the one to start it up all over again.

The Soviets wanted our missiles out of Turkey, they pushed the issue
by putting missiles in Cuba and in the end we pulled the missiles out
of Turkey.

Yep, DC hypocrisy.

We just had a dick measuring contest that almost destroyed the world
before we did it.

Another reason why big government is bad. Becomes a political power
**** fest at the citizens expense. Be it JFK or 0bama or in-between.

I never thought this was a success, on any level. All we proved was
that the Soviets were not as crazy as we thought they were. What we
didn't understand was that Castro had operational control of some of
those missiles and that they were capable of firing them. (a serious
CIA failure)

Yep. But both sides got what they wanted politically. And excuse to
spend trillions on war machinery making war industrialists lots of money
off the taxpayers.
--
Eat the rich, screw the companies and wonder why there are no jobs. But
we have big huge government we can't afford...
-- Obama and the lefty fleabagger attitude

On 10/20/2011 9:26 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 19:12:03 -0400, X `
wrote:

In March, you Republicans said Obama didn't act quickly enough and with
enough force in going after Gaddafi.

Then when Obama acted, you said Obama acted too hastily, acted
unconstitutionally and needed to be impeached.

Today, you say Obama didn't act soon enough.

Pobrecitos. You can't handle the fact that **** gets done nowadays. In 6
months, Libya went from status quo to Gaddafi dead, something at which
Saint Ronny Raegan tried and failed. Osama bin Laden is dead, something
Dubya couldn't do in 8 years. Now, with US and NATO assistance, the
Libyan government has changed hands and Gaddafi is dead.

The open question will be whether we are actually better off with him
gone. As the Clinton people used to say about Saddam, we had Qdaffy
"contained". (a lot more than Saddam)

This whole Arab Spring thing can still blow up in our face if these
guys don't turn out to be the peace loving people we hope they will
be. I can remember people talking about what a great guy Castro was
because he defeated that evil dictator Batista and how he was going to
bring freedom to the island.. That lasted about 6 weeks until Castro
said, "Oh wait. Maybe I am really a communist" (after denying it for
years) and started nationalizing the whole island. Two years later we
damned near had WWIII over Cuba.

This time it might be WWIII over Israel.

Well, it's clear that is Obamas desire...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J27IjWHp_bQ

On 10/20/11 9:40 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 10/20/2011 9:26 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 19:12:03 -0400, X `
wrote:

In March, you Republicans said Obama didn't act quickly enough and with
enough force in going after Gaddafi.

Then when Obama acted, you said Obama acted too hastily, acted
unconstitutionally and needed to be impeached.

Today, you say Obama didn't act soon enough.

Pobrecitos. You can't handle the fact that **** gets done nowadays. In 6
months, Libya went from status quo to Gaddafi dead, something at which
Saint Ronny Raegan tried and failed. Osama bin Laden is dead, something
Dubya couldn't do in 8 years. Now, with US and NATO assistance, the
Libyan government has changed hands and Gaddafi is dead.

The open question will be whether we are actually better off with him
gone. As the Clinton people used to say about Saddam, we had Qdaffy
"contained". (a lot more than Saddam)

This whole Arab Spring thing can still blow up in our face if these
guys don't turn out to be the peace loving people we hope they will
be. I can remember people talking about what a great guy Castro was
because he defeated that evil dictator Batista and how he was going to
bring freedom to the island.. That lasted about 6 weeks until Castro
said, "Oh wait. Maybe I am really a communist" (after denying it for
years) and started nationalizing the whole island. Two years later we
damned near had WWIII over Cuba.

This time it might be WWIII over Israel.

Well, it's clear that is Obamas desire...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J27IjWHp_bQ




snerk *Scotty doesn't know* is linking us to Sean Hannity, one of
the Faux News flaming assholes. To numbskulls, Faux News is the same as
the old library in Alexandria, Egypt.

On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 21:43:31 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 10/20/11 9:40 PM, JustWait wrote:
On 10/20/2011 9:26 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 19:12:03 -0400, X `
wrote:

In March, you Republicans said Obama didn't act quickly enough and with
enough force in going after Gaddafi.

Then when Obama acted, you said Obama acted too hastily, acted
unconstitutionally and needed to be impeached.

Today, you say Obama didn't act soon enough.

Pobrecitos. You can't handle the fact that **** gets done nowadays. In 6
months, Libya went from status quo to Gaddafi dead, something at which
Saint Ronny Raegan tried and failed. Osama bin Laden is dead, something
Dubya couldn't do in 8 years. Now, with US and NATO assistance, the
Libyan government has changed hands and Gaddafi is dead.

The open question will be whether we are actually better off with him
gone. As the Clinton people used to say about Saddam, we had Qdaffy
"contained". (a lot more than Saddam)

This whole Arab Spring thing can still blow up in our face if these
guys don't turn out to be the peace loving people we hope they will
be. I can remember people talking about what a great guy Castro was
because he defeated that evil dictator Batista and how he was going to
bring freedom to the island.. That lasted about 6 weeks until Castro
said, "Oh wait. Maybe I am really a communist" (after denying it for
years) and started nationalizing the whole island. Two years later we
damned near had WWIII over Cuba.

This time it might be WWIII over Israel.

Well, it's clear that is Obamas desire...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J27IjWHp_bQ




snerk *Scotty doesn't know* is linking us to Sean Hannity, one of
the Faux News flaming assholes. To numbskulls, Faux News is the same as
the old library in Alexandria, Egypt.

Hannity does not consider himself a journalist. He's a professional
idiot.

On 20/10/2011 7:26 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 19:12:03 -0400, X `
wrote:

In March, you Republicans said Obama didn't act quickly enough and with
enough force in going after Gaddafi.

Then when Obama acted, you said Obama acted too hastily, acted
unconstitutionally and needed to be impeached.

Today, you say Obama didn't act soon enough.

Pobrecitos. You can't handle the fact that **** gets done nowadays. In 6
months, Libya went from status quo to Gaddafi dead, something at which
Saint Ronny Raegan tried and failed. Osama bin Laden is dead, something
Dubya couldn't do in 8 years. Now, with US and NATO assistance, the
Libyan government has changed hands and Gaddafi is dead.

The open question will be whether we are actually better off with him
gone. As the Clinton people used to say about Saddam, we had Qdaffy
"contained". (a lot more than Saddam)

This whole Arab Spring thing can still blow up in our face if these
guys don't turn out to be the peace loving people we hope they will
be. I can remember people talking about what a great guy Castro was
because he defeated that evil dictator Batista and how he was going to
bring freedom to the island.. That lasted about 6 weeks until Castro
said, "Oh wait. Maybe I am really a communist" (after denying it for
years) and started nationalizing the whole island. Two years later we
damned near had WWIII over Cuba.

This time it might be WWIII over Israel.

Actually here is what I think is happening.

More or less most leaders in the middle east had US support to get their
power or maintain it. Even Saudi. The policy was lots of little
fiefdom countries not run by radical Islam types.

Now the policy is to depose them, and let the Arab/middle eat unity as a
radical Islamic nation. I think Saudi was intending to be the center
of this, but realized all too late it was going to be Muslim
Brotherhood. So like Egypt, democracy has ended, Muslim Brotherhood now
have it as a Muslim/Islam state ignoring justice for the non-Muslims as
they are persecuted.

Arab Spring alright, it is the rise of the Islam/Sharia super-state.
Just might take a few more year to find most of the Arab world is no
longer US friendly at all. Iraq and Afghanistan will fall hours after
Americans leave. Be worse than Vietnam.

A huge long term problem. Iran and Pakistan now have nukes. USA broke,
Islam unifying slowly having their AK-47 elections....

Going to be interesting in say 5 years.
--
Eat the rich, screw the companies and wonder why there are no jobs. But
we have big huge government we can't afford...
-- Obama and the lefty fleabagger attitude

exactly,...i completely agree with your views,..!
what's the guarantee this whole agitation and rebellion in Libya will not produce many more qaddafis,...????