In article ,
says...

On 10/6/11 3:38 AM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 19:12:22 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 13:28:05 -0700, wrote:


Hell yeah!

All it takes is to get disgruntled, go get your completely legal cache
of firearms and start shootin' at anything that moves or looks human!

Hey, he was perfectly normal until the safety meeting this morning.


CUPERTINO, Calif. ?

Authorities went door to door with guns drawn Wednesday in search of a
disgruntled employee they say opened fire at a Northern California
limestone quarry, killing three and wounding six, before possibly
wounding another woman in an attempted carjacking.

Schools were on lockdown or closed in the Silicon Valley city of
Cupertino and nearby Los Gatos as SWAT teams sought Shareef Allman,
47.

Allman was at a routine safety meeting at the quarry at about 4:30
a.m. when he became disgruntled and left, Santa Clara County Sheriff's
Lt. Rick Sung said. He then returned with a handgun and rifle and
started shooting people, Sung said.

Sheriff Laurie Smith said two people were pronounced dead at
Permanente Quarry in Cupertino, and a third person died later at the
hospital.

Six others at the quarry were wounded and taken to area hospitals,
Smith said. Some of them remained in critical condition, she said.

If you won't defend yourself and your family, I guess that is your
business. Maybe you are OK with the crazy guy with the weapon making
your hard decisions for you. I don't feel that way, I'll make my own
decisions. If all else fails, I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried
by 6.

Do you carry your sidearm at work? They were all at work in a quary.

Please explain to me how what you've said has anything to do with this
situation?

Have people just gone ****ing insane? The guy who brought out his
weapon was perfectly sane prior to bringing out his weapon and
shooting the **** out of 9 people.

****, what does it take to get through the thick American skull?


A jackhammer.

I have several carry permits, but I rarely carry. I do worry when
driving south to Florida on I-95 and part of that drive is at night
while in the redneck states. But in South Carolina, the worst of them,
I don't think my carry permits are "legal."

Good god what a ****ing coward!!!!

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 19:12:22 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 13:28:05 -0700, jps wrote:


Hell yeah!

All it takes is to get disgruntled, go get your completely legal cache
of firearms and start shootin' at anything that moves or looks human!

Hey, he was perfectly normal until the safety meeting this morning.


CUPERTINO, Calif. ?

Authorities went door to door with guns drawn Wednesday in search of a
disgruntled employee they say opened fire at a Northern California
limestone quarry, killing three and wounding six, before possibly
wounding another woman in an attempted carjacking.

Schools were on lockdown or closed in the Silicon Valley city of
Cupertino and nearby Los Gatos as SWAT teams sought Shareef Allman,
47.

Allman was at a routine safety meeting at the quarry at about 4:30
a.m. when he became disgruntled and left, Santa Clara County Sheriff's
Lt. Rick Sung said. He then returned with a handgun and rifle and
started shooting people, Sung said.

Sheriff Laurie Smith said two people were pronounced dead at
Permanente Quarry in Cupertino, and a third person died later at the
hospital.

Six others at the quarry were wounded and taken to area hospitals,
Smith said. Some of them remained in critical condition, she said.

If you won't defend yourself and your family, I guess that is your
business. Maybe you are OK with the crazy guy with the weapon making
your hard decisions for you. I don't feel that way, I'll make my own
decisions. If all else fails, I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried
by 6.

Do you carry your sidearm at work? They were all at work in a quary.

Company policy prevents me from carrying a firearm at work. Since we
have a security force at work personal firearms are deemed not
necessary.

Please explain to me how what you've said has anything to do with this
situation?

Are you such a good little follower of the government's wishes to disarm
the citizenry that you believe that the police have the capability to
protect you at all times.

Have people just gone ****ing insane? The guy who brought out his
weapon was perfectly sane prior to bringing out his weapon and
shooting the **** out of 9 people.

Facts not in evidence. You have no proof that he was sane 5 seconds, 5
minutes, 5 hours or 5 days prior to him committing the crime.

****, what does it take to get through the thick American skull?

If someone was carrying a concealed weapon for their own protection they
could have taken out the guy before he got to 2, 3 or 4 or more peoples.

On 10/6/11 8:13 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 19:12:22 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 13:28:05 -0700, wrote:


Do you carry your sidearm at work? They were all at work in a quary.

Company policy prevents me from carrying a firearm at work. Since we
have a security force at work personal firearms are deemed not
necessary.

What? Your company doesn't think your safety is at the top of the list?
What would that security force do if a disgruntled worker got to your
floor, started shooting and killed 20 people before they could get to
him? Get body bags? And how would you be transporting that firearm in
Maryland? You know the rules here.

merican skull?

If someone was carrying a concealed weapon for their own protection they
could have taken out the guy before he got to 2, 3 or 4 or more peoples.

If, if, if, if. And you're assuming the guy with the firearm wouldn't be
the first one shot or would actually have the balls to shoot back or was
a good enough aim. If, if, if, if...


--
I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.

On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 08:22:13 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:

On 10/6/11 8:13 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 19:12:22 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 13:28:05 -0700, wrote:


Do you carry your sidearm at work? They were all at work in a quary.

Company policy prevents me from carrying a firearm at work. Since we
have a security force at work personal firearms are deemed not
necessary.

What? Your company doesn't think your safety is at the top of the list?
What would that security force do if a disgruntled worker got to your
floor, started shooting and killed 20 people before they could get to
him? Get body bags? And how would you be transporting that firearm in
Maryland? You know the rules here.

merican skull?

If someone was carrying a concealed weapon for their own protection they
could have taken out the guy before he got to 2, 3 or 4 or more peoples.

If, if, if, if. And you're assuming the guy with the firearm wouldn't be
the first one shot or would actually have the balls to shoot back or was
a good enough aim. If, if, if, if...

The guy who justifies carrying a weapon for self-defense is more
likely to use it in the commission of a crime, mistaken circumstances,
vigilante justice or domestic abuse.

Arming everybody in hopes of reducing violence is insane logic.

On 10/6/2011 11:07 AM, jps wrote:

Arming everybody in hopes of reducing violence is insane logic.

Who advocates arming "everyone"?

You made that up, didn't you, so you could look good by calling it
"insane logic"?!

On 10/6/2011 11:07 AM, jps wrote:
On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 08:22:13 -0400, X `
wrote:

On 10/6/11 8:13 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 19:12:22 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 13:28:05 -0700, wrote:


Do you carry your sidearm at work? They were all at work in a quary.

Company policy prevents me from carrying a firearm at work. Since we
have a security force at work personal firearms are deemed not
necessary.

What? Your company doesn't think your safety is at the top of the list?
What would that security force do if a disgruntled worker got to your
floor, started shooting and killed 20 people before they could get to
him? Get body bags? And how would you be transporting that firearm in
Maryland? You know the rules here.

merican skull?

If someone was carrying a concealed weapon for their own protection they
could have taken out the guy before he got to 2, 3 or 4 or more peoples.

If, if, if, if. And you're assuming the guy with the firearm wouldn't be
the first one shot or would actually have the balls to shoot back or was
a good enough aim. If, if, if, if...

The guy who justifies carrying a weapon for self-defense is more
likely to use it in the commission of a crime, mistaken circumstances,
vigilante justice or domestic abuse.

Arming everybody in hopes of reducing violence is insane logic.

Where did this come from, Michael Moore, Jon Stewart, Carrot Top, or the
Huffington Hoax???

On Oct 6, 10:07*am, jps wrote:
On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 08:22:13 -0400, X ` Man
wrote:









On 10/6/11 8:13 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 19:12:22 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 13:28:05 -0700, *wrote:

Do you carry your sidearm at work? *They were all at work in a quary.

Company policy prevents me from carrying a firearm at work. Since we
have a security force at work personal firearms are deemed not
necessary.

What? Your company doesn't think your safety is at the top of the list?
What would that security force do if a disgruntled worker got to your
floor, started shooting and killed 20 people before they could get to
him? Get body bags? And how would you be transporting that firearm in
Maryland? You know the rules here.

merican skull?

If someone was carrying a concealed weapon for their own protection they
could have taken out the guy before he got to 2, 3 or 4 or more peoples.

If, if, if, if. And you're assuming the guy with the firearm wouldn't be
the first one shot or would actually have the balls to shoot back or was
a good enough aim. If, if, if, if...

The guy who justifies carrying a weapon for self-defense is more
likely to use it in the commission of a crime, mistaken circumstances,
vigilante justice or domestic abuse.

Arming everybody in hopes of reducing violence is insane logic.

Mexico has some of the strictest gun laws in the world, I think we all
know how that is working out. Those who intend to do harm will always
find a way to get a gun. Restricting others from being able to protect
themselves is why Chicago has had to take another look at their strict
gun laws as they left innocent people too vulnerable. The old saying
that "guns don't kill people, people do" is true, the fork and spoon
didn't make oprah fat and the pen didn't misspell the word. It's
called being responsible for your actions.
Government needs respect the 2nd amendment and concentrate on learning
and following the constitution and bill of rights as they are sworn to
uphold when they take office. They are suppose to be working for us
not the other way around. Gun control is one of the last steps before
complete tyranny, check out history.

On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 19:19:32 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 08:13:25 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 19:12:22 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 13:28:05 -0700, jps wrote:



Have people just gone ****ing insane? The guy who brought out his
weapon was perfectly sane prior to bringing out his weapon and
shooting the **** out of 9 people.

Facts not in evidence. You have no proof that he was sane 5 seconds, 5
minutes, 5 hours or 5 days prior to him committing the crime.


You are missing the logical conclusion of JPS's words. If a person can
be perfectly sane one moment and a crazed murderer the next second, it
stands to reason that we should all carry weapons to protect ourselves
against everybody. Since we are all just a second away from insanity!

I learned to "Be Prepared" in the Boy Scouts. It still serves me and
mine well today.

You could be convinced to kill in the right circumstances, in short
order. Or you could convince yourself just like that guy in
Cupertino. No judge or jury necessary. And you might be right and
you might be wrong.

I'm not comfortable with you or anyone else having that option apart
from those specifically trained to interpret potentially dangerous
situations.

On 10/6/2011 3:38 AM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 19:12:22 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 13:28:05 -0700, wrote:


Hell yeah!

All it takes is to get disgruntled, go get your completely legal cache
of firearms and start shootin' at anything that moves or looks human!

Hey, he was perfectly normal until the safety meeting this morning.


CUPERTINO, Calif. —

Authorities went door to door with guns drawn Wednesday in search of a
disgruntled employee they say opened fire at a Northern California
limestone quarry, killing three and wounding six, before possibly
wounding another woman in an attempted carjacking.

Schools were on lockdown or closed in the Silicon Valley city of
Cupertino and nearby Los Gatos as SWAT teams sought Shareef Allman,
47.

Allman was at a routine safety meeting at the quarry at about 4:30
a.m. when he became disgruntled and left, Santa Clara County Sheriff's
Lt. Rick Sung said. He then returned with a handgun and rifle and
started shooting people, Sung said.

Sheriff Laurie Smith said two people were pronounced dead at
Permanente Quarry in Cupertino, and a third person died later at the
hospital.

Six others at the quarry were wounded and taken to area hospitals,
Smith said. Some of them remained in critical condition, she said.

If you won't defend yourself and your family, I guess that is your
business. Maybe you are OK with the crazy guy with the weapon making
your hard decisions for you. I don't feel that way, I'll make my own
decisions. If all else fails, I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried
by 6.

Do you carry your sidearm at work? They were all at work in a quary.

Please explain to me how what you've said has anything to do with this
situation?

Have people just gone ****ing insane? The guy who brought out his
weapon was perfectly sane prior to bringing out his weapon and
shooting the **** out of 9 people.

****, what does it take to get through the thick American skull?
Rule #1:
When going to a gunfight, bring a gun.

"jps" wrote in message ...

On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 19:12:22 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 13:28:05 -0700, jps wrote:


Hell yeah!

All it takes is to get disgruntled, go get your completely legal cache
of firearms and start shootin' at anything that moves or looks human!

Hey, he was perfectly normal until the safety meeting this morning.


CUPERTINO, Calif. —

Authorities went door to door with guns drawn Wednesday in search of a
disgruntled employee they say opened fire at a Northern California
limestone quarry, killing three and wounding six, before possibly
wounding another woman in an attempted carjacking.

Schools were on lockdown or closed in the Silicon Valley city of
Cupertino and nearby Los Gatos as SWAT teams sought Shareef Allman,
47.

Allman was at a routine safety meeting at the quarry at about 4:30
a.m. when he became disgruntled and left, Santa Clara County Sheriff's
Lt. Rick Sung said. He then returned with a handgun and rifle and
started shooting people, Sung said.

Sheriff Laurie Smith said two people were pronounced dead at
Permanente Quarry in Cupertino, and a third person died later at the
hospital.

Six others at the quarry were wounded and taken to area hospitals,
Smith said. Some of them remained in critical condition, she said.

If you won't defend yourself and your family, I guess that is your
business. Maybe you are OK with the crazy guy with the weapon making
your hard decisions for you. I don't feel that way, I'll make my own
decisions. If all else fails, I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried
by 6.

Do you carry your sidearm at work? They were all at work in a quary.

Please explain to me how what you've said has anything to do with this
situation?

Have people just gone ****ing insane? The guy who brought out his
weapon was perfectly sane prior to bringing out his weapon and
shooting the **** out of 9 people.

****, what does it take to get through the thick American skull?


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Why do you think he was sane? He came there to kill the coworkers. Should
have been fired for careless driving a lot earlier. But probably union
protected his ass. He brought the pistol and another rifle to work. He set
the rifle outside the door where he could access it quickly. Tells me this
was not fly off the handle shooting. Was like Columbine, planned. And the
cops waited outside Columbine while the shooters killed for at least 45
minutes after the cops arrived. One armed teacher and at least one shooter
dead. Same with this nutcase in California. One armed person and he gets
shot before shooting 10 people.