On 10/5/11 1:19 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Oct 2011 07:10:31 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 18:23:22 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 17:45:56 -0400, wrote:

It was a poor attempt to subvert the American Justice system, in
particular the FISA court. A needless criminal act, which carries
ramifications to this day.


It was actually somewhat legal, particularly if they call them POWs.
That all gets back to whether this is actually a war.
If it isn't a war, why are we bombing people?
Would it be better if we just murdered these people anonymously, like
the Israelis? Perhaps.
I don't think we have much to show from the $3 trillion we spent doing
it with massive force.

I believe, according to law, "wars" are declared, not contrived.

If that was true, we would not have actually had war since 1945.

Truman, Johnson, Reagan and the Bushes (41, 42, 43& 44) never got
the word.

Nor did Nixon until this happened:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution

To use the Obama line, Nixon inherited his war but to take the analogy
even farther, he said he would stop the war and he escalated it, just
l;ike Afghanistan. He also expanded it into another country just like
Obama. They both had their massive leak of government documents about
it.
Why do we believe any of these guys?


My major disappointment with Obama is that he hasn't pulled us
completely out of Iraq and Afghanistan. I also understand, however, that
he doesn't suffer from a rigid personality disorder. His predecessor
did, but, fortunately, most presidents did not.

It's one thing for a presidential candidate to say "X" before he/she
gets into office and then, upon assuming the office, finding out that
the assumptions were based upon faulty or incomplete information. That's
a challenge that faces just about every political candidate, of course.
I mean, in relation to the economy, I am sure Obama didn't know how big
a mess Bush had created and left behind, and how intransigent the GOP
would be in terms of resolution.

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I'll believe corporations are people when Texas executes one.