On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 01:01:52 -0400, LilAbner wrote:

On 9/1/2011 11:47 PM, notbob wrote:
On 2011-09-02, wrote:

Why not prosecute both the illegals and the employers who hire them?

You've nailed the heart of it, the employers.

Rich ppl need dirt cheap labor to remain rich. Some things can't be
offshored. You think they're gonna pay $20-25 hr for white native
labor, to build a house (trades), when IAs will work for less than the
prevailing 1975 wage? You think rich ppl who dump tons of money into
political election coffers are gonna vote to eliminate this cheap
source of labor!?

Silly you.

nb
If they knew how the Mexican built houses they wouldn't buy them.
apparently they don't know what a square and ruler are. These firms have
them nail pieces of wood together and then whn it is up they bring in
one of two guys to go back and square up openings enough for doors and
windows to fit. There may be more than one nail in a two by four.
A Relative lives in a golf course community. their house is about 6
years old. Theirs and everybody else's brick facades and wall corners
and foundations are cracking, seperating etc. near half a million
dollars for shiny new mcmansions that are falling apart. The former
southern standard building codes were at least good enough that the
house had aa chance of surviving until the mortgage was paid.


actually...Ive seen a rather large amount of very very good building
done by illegals. Craftsmen in their own countries..they come here for
good money and education for their kids. Over the border...not through
the legal channels.

So claiming that they are all skillless buffoons really isnt a
legitimate bitch.

Nor is the fact they work damned cheaply..forcing out blacks and whites
who simply cannot live in group settings or wont live in crappy
apartments.

The problem is..not that they are not skilled craftsmen, or good hard
workers..the problem is that they are illegal. And they bring in their
families..and those families bring in THEIR families..and pretty soon a
bunch of them are collecting welfare and medical aid..and free
educations. All at the taxpayers expense. And a skilled craftsman and
his wife..and 4-8 kids..cannot pay enough taxes to pay back the medical
and educational loads they place on the rest of the taxpayers.

Gunner

On 9/2/2011 2:55 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 01:01:52 -0400, wrote:

On 9/1/2011 11:47 PM, notbob wrote:
On 2011-09-02, wrote:

Why not prosecute both the illegals and the employers who hire them?

You've nailed the heart of it, the employers.

Rich ppl need dirt cheap labor to remain rich. Some things can't be
offshored. You think they're gonna pay $20-25 hr for white native
labor, to build a house (trades), when IAs will work for less than the
prevailing 1975 wage? You think rich ppl who dump tons of money into
political election coffers are gonna vote to eliminate this cheap
source of labor!?

Silly you.

nb
If they knew how the Mexican built houses they wouldn't buy them.
apparently they don't know what a square and ruler are. These firms have
them nail pieces of wood together and then whn it is up they bring in
one of two guys to go back and square up openings enough for doors and
windows to fit. There may be more than one nail in a two by four.
A Relative lives in a golf course community. their house is about 6
years old. Theirs and everybody else's brick facades and wall corners
and foundations are cracking, seperating etc. near half a million
dollars for shiny new mcmansions that are falling apart. The former
southern standard building codes were at least good enough that the
house had aa chance of surviving until the mortgage was paid.


actually...Ive seen a rather large amount of very very good building
done by illegals. Craftsmen in their own countries..they come here for
good money and education for their kids. Over the border...not through
the legal channels.

So claiming that they are all skillless buffoons really isnt a
legitimate bitch.

Nor is the fact they work damned cheaply..forcing out blacks and whites
who simply cannot live in group settings or wont live in crappy
apartments.

The problem is..not that they are not skilled craftsmen, or good hard
workers..the problem is that they are illegal. And they bring in their
families..and those families bring in THEIR families..and pretty soon a
bunch of them are collecting welfare and medical aid..and free
educations. All at the taxpayers expense. And a skilled craftsman and
his wife..and 4-8 kids..cannot pay enough taxes to pay back the medical
and educational loads they place on the rest of the taxpayers.

Gunner

There are exceptions. Who knows how bit that number is but what I stated
is fact. They get a house or buch of them in just a few days. Then a
crew of a few come back and and square up some of the critical angles
and openings. The houses are falling apart all over the Country.
The interiors finishing work are usually more solid as they are required
to be done by craftsmen; Americans.