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On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:28:17 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:18:04 -0700, wrote: http://www.rttnews.com/Content/Break...=B1&Id=1689508 Too bad Apple is keeping most of their cash in China (a fact) Maybe if we didn't have such an abusive corporate tax rate they would repatriate some of that money and perhaps, make something here. Too bad we don't penalize companies who ship jobs overseas or reform the tax code, so that companies who do business in the US pay US taxes. |
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On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:59:28 -0400, LilAbner wrote:
On 8/10/2011 9:28 PM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:18:04 -0700, wrote: http://www.rttnews.com/Content/Break...=B1&Id=1689508 Too bad Apple is keeping most of their cash in China (a fact) Maybe if we didn't have such an abusive corporate tax rate they would repatriate some of that money and perhaps, make something here. Abusive tax rate? You haven't been keeping up have you. Over fifteen hundred Corporations paid no tax. If a corporation is paying the 35% they better get a new tax accountant. When they do pay taxes, everything including the kitchen sink is deducted before taxes. Individuals usually pay a higher rate. This spiel is getting old. Surprised many still swallow it. If they make their money here, on Americans, they should pay their taxes here to support the Republic. If they paid their share everyone else could pay less, in theory. Well, there's that... :) |
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On 10/08/2011 7:28 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:18:04 -0700, wrote: http://www.rttnews.com/Content/Break...=B1&Id=1689508 Too bad Apple is keeping most of their cash in China (a fact) Maybe if we didn't have such an abusive corporate tax rate they would repatriate some of that money and perhaps, make something here. Funny, I don't blame them. A iPad made in China and sold in China is supposed to pay DC income tax? Maybe China should impose a 5% currency loss taxes on US.... Hear yourself think? Look GE, putting $2B into China, moving its medial where the profits are. Makes sense. You backwards fleabeggars need to know the universe does not rotate around USA. Who knows, maybe Apple will pick up sticks and move to China. All USA has to offer is just more debt and debt-taxation. Which is really why jobs suck, not a good environment. -- Seems like paying your bills with real money is no longer the accepted behavior in USA. Perhaps that is the problem and not the the solution. |
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On 10/08/2011 8:27 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:28:17 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:18:04 -0700, wrote: http://www.rttnews.com/Content/Break...=B1&Id=1689508 Too bad Apple is keeping most of their cash in China (a fact) Maybe if we didn't have such an abusive corporate tax rate they would repatriate some of that money and perhaps, make something here. Too bad we don't penalize companies who ship jobs overseas or reform the tax code, so that companies who do business in the US pay US taxes. Taxing companies in foreign countries - they are just going to tell the USA to **** off. And why some have already moved. DC can tax them on imports, but Americans pay. Sort of like oil, tax oil you pay. As it should be. -- Seems like paying your bills with real money is no longer the accepted behavior in USA. Perhaps that is the problem and not the the solution. |
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On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 23:45:00 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 10/08/2011 8:27 PM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:28:17 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:18:04 -0700, wrote: http://www.rttnews.com/Content/Break...=B1&Id=1689508 Too bad Apple is keeping most of their cash in China (a fact) Maybe if we didn't have such an abusive corporate tax rate they would repatriate some of that money and perhaps, make something here. Too bad we don't penalize companies who ship jobs overseas or reform the tax code, so that companies who do business in the US pay US taxes. Taxing companies in foreign countries - they are just going to tell the USA to **** off. And why some have already moved. DC can tax them on imports, but Americans pay. Sort of like oil, tax oil you pay. As it should be. Wow... you're pretty stupid and you demonstrate it every day. |
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On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 23:35:14 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 10/08/2011 7:28 PM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:18:04 -0700, wrote: http://www.rttnews.com/Content/Break...=B1&Id=1689508 Too bad Apple is keeping most of their cash in China (a fact) Maybe if we didn't have such an abusive corporate tax rate they would repatriate some of that money and perhaps, make something here. Funny, I don't blame them. A iPad made in China and sold in China is supposed to pay DC income tax? Maybe China should impose a 5% currency loss taxes on US.... Hear yourself think? Look GE, putting $2B into China, moving its medial where the profits are. Makes sense. You backwards fleabeggars need to know the universe does not rotate around USA. Who knows, maybe Apple will pick up sticks and move to China. All USA has to offer is just more debt and debt-taxation. Which is really why jobs suck, not a good environment. No funny that you're stupid. |
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In article , says...
On 8/10/2011 9:28 PM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:18:04 -0700, wrote: http://www.rttnews.com/Content/Break...=B1&Id=1689508 Too bad Apple is keeping most of their cash in China (a fact) Maybe if we didn't have such an abusive corporate tax rate they would repatriate some of that money and perhaps, make something here. Abusive tax rate? You haven't been keeping up have you. Over fifteen hundred Corporations paid no tax. If a corporation is paying the 35% they better get a new tax accountant. When they do pay taxes, everything including the kitchen sink is deducted before taxes. Individuals usually pay a higher rate. This spiel is getting old. Surprised many still swallow it. If they make their money here, on Americans, they should pay their taxes here to support the Republic. If they paid their share everyone else could pay less, in theory. If I have $100 billion in China and I pay 15% tax in China I have $85 billion. Then when I repatriate that money I pay 35% on my $100 billion leaving me with $50 billion. Why would I ever want to lose half of my profits just to bring the money to the USA? |
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On 8/11/2011 1:45 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 10/08/2011 8:27 PM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:28:17 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:18:04 -0700, wrote: http://www.rttnews.com/Content/Break...=B1&Id=1689508 Too bad Apple is keeping most of their cash in China (a fact) Maybe if we didn't have such an abusive corporate tax rate they would repatriate some of that money and perhaps, make something here. Too bad we don't penalize companies who ship jobs overseas or reform the tax code, so that companies who do business in the US pay US taxes. Taxing companies in foreign countries - they are just going to tell the USA to **** off. And why some have already moved. DC can tax them on imports, but Americans pay. Sort of like oil, tax oil you pay. As it should be. Did you know that DA Plume's native Iceland is actually one of our better trading partners. Their exports (fish) to us are less than our exports to them. But our trade balances with China, Mexico, Canada,Japan, and Germany need fixing. Maybe some more tariffs on them. And eliminate Nafta. |
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On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 07:55:44 -0400, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On 8/10/2011 9:28 PM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:18:04 -0700, wrote: http://www.rttnews.com/Content/Break...=B1&Id=1689508 Too bad Apple is keeping most of their cash in China (a fact) Maybe if we didn't have such an abusive corporate tax rate they would repatriate some of that money and perhaps, make something here. Abusive tax rate? You haven't been keeping up have you. Over fifteen hundred Corporations paid no tax. If a corporation is paying the 35% they better get a new tax accountant. When they do pay taxes, everything including the kitchen sink is deducted before taxes. Individuals usually pay a higher rate. This spiel is getting old. Surprised many still swallow it. If they make their money here, on Americans, they should pay their taxes here to support the Republic. If they paid their share everyone else could pay less, in theory. If I have $100 billion in China and I pay 15% tax in China I have $85 billion. Then when I repatriate that money I pay 35% on my $100 billion leaving me with $50 billion. Why would I ever want to lose half of my profits just to bring the money to the USA? If they want to sell products in this country, they should have to pay their fair share of taxes like everyone else. |
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says... On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 07:55:44 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... On 8/10/2011 9:28 PM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:18:04 -0700, wrote: http://www.rttnews.com/Content/Break...=B1&Id=1689508 Too bad Apple is keeping most of their cash in China (a fact) Maybe if we didn't have such an abusive corporate tax rate they would repatriate some of that money and perhaps, make something here. Abusive tax rate? You haven't been keeping up have you. Over fifteen hundred Corporations paid no tax. If a corporation is paying the 35% they better get a new tax accountant. When they do pay taxes, everything including the kitchen sink is deducted before taxes. Individuals usually pay a higher rate. This spiel is getting old. Surprised many still swallow it. If they make their money here, on Americans, they should pay their taxes here to support the Republic. If they paid their share everyone else could pay less, in theory. If I have $100 billion in China and I pay 15% tax in China I have $85 billion. Then when I repatriate that money I pay 35% on my $100 billion leaving me with $50 billion. Why would I ever want to lose half of my profits just to bring the money to the USA? If they want to sell products in this country, they should have to pay their fair share of taxes like everyone else. Should we in turn pay taxes to all of the countries that we export to? |
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On 11/08/2011 6:35 AM, BeachBum wrote:
On 8/11/2011 1:45 AM, Canuck57 wrote: On 10/08/2011 8:27 PM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:28:17 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:18:04 -0700, wrote: http://www.rttnews.com/Content/Break...=B1&Id=1689508 Too bad Apple is keeping most of their cash in China (a fact) Maybe if we didn't have such an abusive corporate tax rate they would repatriate some of that money and perhaps, make something here. Too bad we don't penalize companies who ship jobs overseas or reform the tax code, so that companies who do business in the US pay US taxes. Taxing companies in foreign countries - they are just going to tell the USA to **** off. And why some have already moved. DC can tax them on imports, but Americans pay. Sort of like oil, tax oil you pay. As it should be. Did you know that DA Plume's native Iceland is actually one of our better trading partners. Their exports (fish) to us are less than our exports to them. But our trade balances with China, Mexico, Canada,Japan, and Germany need fixing. Maybe some more tariffs on them. And eliminate Nafta. NAFTA haters would like to cut their own throats. Fact is if you have to pay more for things, you will consume less. You can't protect your way to prosperity but you can raise costs and lower consumption. Be my guess, the people that hurt the worst with this bull**** are the same ones that propel it. For example, local office furniture shop needs steel, but has to buy inferior and more costly US steel has to charge more for furniture and offset it with lower wages or higher prices. In the process people buy less and less employment. In the end less prosperity for all. Take oil. Go ahead, tax them more. They will pass the costs right to you at the pump. -- Seems like paying your bills with real money is no longer the accepted behavior in USA. Perhaps that is the problem and not the the solution. |
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On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:53:15 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 23:35:14 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: On 10/08/2011 7:28 PM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:18:04 -0700, wrote: http://www.rttnews.com/Content/Break...=B1&Id=1689508 Too bad Apple is keeping most of their cash in China (a fact) Maybe if we didn't have such an abusive corporate tax rate they would repatriate some of that money and perhaps, make something here. Funny, I don't blame them. A iPad made in China and sold in China is supposed to pay DC income tax? Maybe China should impose a 5% currency loss taxes on US.... Hear yourself think? Look GE, putting $2B into China, moving its medial where the profits are. Makes sense. You backwards fleabeggars need to know the universe does not rotate around USA. Who knows, maybe Apple will pick up sticks and move to China. All USA has to offer is just more debt and debt-taxation. Which is really why jobs suck, not a good environment. Apple already does virtually all of it's manufacturing and assembly in China and they do most of the markup there so they do not look that profitable when they are sold here. The answer would be to tax these products coming into the country at the same rate China taxes our products going into their country. We give China unreasonable breaks and then wonder why they are winning the trade war. FACT: I bought a disk enclosure on Ebay that ended up coming from China. Total cost including shipping was $2.30 and came air mail USPS. I just mailed a pair of sunglasses to my daughter 150 miles away in West Palm, it cost $1.79 USPS. Both boxes weighted about the same (3.5-4 oz rate). Assuming the part was 30 cents, how can you ship something half way around the world for virtually the same price as it costs to ship across a skinny state? I sent a camera to China last year and the price was about the same as sending it to Australia (close to $80). If I got the same box from China it would be cheaper than sending it to Miami. Why is that? A few years back I flew to Amsterdam. The cost from Dulles to Amsterdam and return was half again as much as the cost of flying from Amsterdam to Dulles and return. Same airlines. |
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On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:19:25 -0400, iBoat_Often wrote:
In article , says... On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 07:55:44 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... On 8/10/2011 9:28 PM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:18:04 -0700, wrote: http://www.rttnews.com/Content/Break...=B1&Id=1689508 Too bad Apple is keeping most of their cash in China (a fact) Maybe if we didn't have such an abusive corporate tax rate they would repatriate some of that money and perhaps, make something here. Abusive tax rate? You haven't been keeping up have you. Over fifteen hundred Corporations paid no tax. If a corporation is paying the 35% they better get a new tax accountant. When they do pay taxes, everything including the kitchen sink is deducted before taxes. Individuals usually pay a higher rate. This spiel is getting old. Surprised many still swallow it. If they make their money here, on Americans, they should pay their taxes here to support the Republic. If they paid their share everyone else could pay less, in theory. If I have $100 billion in China and I pay 15% tax in China I have $85 billion. Then when I repatriate that money I pay 35% on my $100 billion leaving me with $50 billion. Why would I ever want to lose half of my profits just to bring the money to the USA? If they want to sell products in this country, they should have to pay their fair share of taxes like everyone else. Should we in turn pay taxes to all of the countries that we export to? Never said "export to." They have a going concern and are headquartered here. They should pay taxes here. |
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On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:40:24 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 19:27:43 -0700, wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:28:17 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:18:04 -0700, wrote: http://www.rttnews.com/Content/Break...=B1&Id=1689508 Too bad Apple is keeping most of their cash in China (a fact) Maybe if we didn't have such an abusive corporate tax rate they would repatriate some of that money and perhaps, make something here. Too bad we don't penalize companies who ship jobs overseas or reform the tax code, so that companies who do business in the US pay US taxes. One wise statement in a row, keep up the good work ;-) Is this a right wing agenda item or a pro-American business agenda item? :) |
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On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:53:15 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 23:35:14 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: On 10/08/2011 7:28 PM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:18:04 -0700, wrote: http://www.rttnews.com/Content/Break...=B1&Id=1689508 Too bad Apple is keeping most of their cash in China (a fact) Maybe if we didn't have such an abusive corporate tax rate they would repatriate some of that money and perhaps, make something here. Funny, I don't blame them. A iPad made in China and sold in China is supposed to pay DC income tax? Maybe China should impose a 5% currency loss taxes on US.... Hear yourself think? Look GE, putting $2B into China, moving its medial where the profits are. Makes sense. You backwards fleabeggars need to know the universe does not rotate around USA. Who knows, maybe Apple will pick up sticks and move to China. All USA has to offer is just more debt and debt-taxation. Which is really why jobs suck, not a good environment. Apple already does virtually all of it's manufacturing and assembly in China and they do most of the markup there so they do not look that profitable when they are sold here. The answer would be to tax these products coming into the country at the same rate China taxes our products going into their country. We give China unreasonable breaks and then wonder why they are winning the trade war. FACT: I bought a disk enclosure on Ebay that ended up coming from China. Total cost including shipping was $2.30 and came air mail USPS. I just mailed a pair of sunglasses to my daughter 150 miles away in West Palm, it cost $1.79 USPS. Both boxes weighted about the same (3.5-4 oz rate). Assuming the part was 30 cents, how can you ship something half way around the world for virtually the same price as it costs to ship across a skinny state? I sent a camera to China last year and the price was about the same as sending it to Australia (close to $80). If I got the same box from China it would be cheaper than sending it to Miami. Why is that? I suspect they are building the cost of shipping into the price that is paid for the item. I pay about $14 (depending) to ship a skirt to Australia. I pay less than $5 to ship the skirt anywhere in the US. |
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In article ,
says... On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:19:25 -0400, iBoat_Often wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 07:55:44 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... On 8/10/2011 9:28 PM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:18:04 -0700, wrote: http://www.rttnews.com/Content/Break...=B1&Id=1689508 Too bad Apple is keeping most of their cash in China (a fact) Maybe if we didn't have such an abusive corporate tax rate they would repatriate some of that money and perhaps, make something here. Abusive tax rate? You haven't been keeping up have you. Over fifteen hundred Corporations paid no tax. If a corporation is paying the 35% they better get a new tax accountant. When they do pay taxes, everything including the kitchen sink is deducted before taxes. Individuals usually pay a higher rate. This spiel is getting old. Surprised many still swallow it. If they make their money here, on Americans, they should pay their taxes here to support the Republic. If they paid their share everyone else could pay less, in theory. If I have $100 billion in China and I pay 15% tax in China I have $85 billion. Then when I repatriate that money I pay 35% on my $100 billion leaving me with $50 billion. Why would I ever want to lose half of my profits just to bring the money to the USA? If they want to sell products in this country, they should have to pay their fair share of taxes like everyone else. Should we in turn pay taxes to all of the countries that we export to? Never said "export to." They have a going concern and are headquartered here. They should pay taxes here. Um, do you not think that in order to sell products in this country that a foreign entity would have to export those products here??? |
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On 11/08/2011 11:53 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 23:35:14 -0600, wrote: On 10/08/2011 7:28 PM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:18:04 -0700, wrote: http://www.rttnews.com/Content/Break...=B1&Id=1689508 Too bad Apple is keeping most of their cash in China (a fact) Maybe if we didn't have such an abusive corporate tax rate they would repatriate some of that money and perhaps, make something here. Funny, I don't blame them. A iPad made in China and sold in China is supposed to pay DC income tax? Maybe China should impose a 5% currency loss taxes on US.... Hear yourself think? Look GE, putting $2B into China, moving its medial where the profits are. Makes sense. You backwards fleabeggars need to know the universe does not rotate around USA. Who knows, maybe Apple will pick up sticks and move to China. All USA has to offer is just more debt and debt-taxation. Which is really why jobs suck, not a good environment. Apple already does virtually all of it's manufacturing and assembly in China and they do most of the markup there so they do not look that profitable when they are sold here. The answer would be to tax these products coming into the country at the same rate China taxes our products going into their country. Yep. And Americans pay the taxes. In a way you just made a case not to tax companies but to tax consumption. The same argument many a VAT or sales taxes types profess. No reason for an Apple product made in China sold in China should pay US taxes. We give China unreasonable breaks and then wonder why they are winning the trade war. Not entirely accurate. US culture is now lazy, lethargic, mentally lazy entitlement types and falling behind. People don't want work, they want welfare. Mind you there are those working hard and cleaning up. Operative word, work. FACT: I bought a disk enclosure on Ebay that ended up coming from China. Total cost including shipping was $2.30 and came air mail USPS. I just mailed a pair of sunglasses to my daughter 150 miles away in West Palm, it cost $1.79 USPS. Both boxes weighted about the same (3.5-4 oz rate). Assuming the part was 30 cents, how can you ship something half way around the world for virtually the same price as it costs to ship across a skinny state? US costs and wages are too high. Outside of US, everything is cheaper, capital costs, wages, taxes, utilities, materials.... Taxation for example is a multiplier of over valuation. $200/hr to clean teeth, government gets 1/2, doubles the cost of life. Necessitating inflated wages. I sent a camera to China last year and the price was about the same as sending it to Australia (close to $80). If I got the same box from China it would be cheaper than sending it to Miami. Why is that? -- Seems like paying your bills with real money is no longer the accepted behavior in USA. Perhaps that is the problem and not the the solution. |
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On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 15:33:28 -0400, iBoat_Often wrote:
In article , says... On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:19:25 -0400, iBoat_Often wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 07:55:44 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... On 8/10/2011 9:28 PM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:18:04 -0700, wrote: http://www.rttnews.com/Content/Break...=B1&Id=1689508 Too bad Apple is keeping most of their cash in China (a fact) Maybe if we didn't have such an abusive corporate tax rate they would repatriate some of that money and perhaps, make something here. Abusive tax rate? You haven't been keeping up have you. Over fifteen hundred Corporations paid no tax. If a corporation is paying the 35% they better get a new tax accountant. When they do pay taxes, everything including the kitchen sink is deducted before taxes. Individuals usually pay a higher rate. This spiel is getting old. Surprised many still swallow it. If they make their money here, on Americans, they should pay their taxes here to support the Republic. If they paid their share everyone else could pay less, in theory. If I have $100 billion in China and I pay 15% tax in China I have $85 billion. Then when I repatriate that money I pay 35% on my $100 billion leaving me with $50 billion. Why would I ever want to lose half of my profits just to bring the money to the USA? If they want to sell products in this country, they should have to pay their fair share of taxes like everyone else. Should we in turn pay taxes to all of the countries that we export to? Never said "export to." They have a going concern and are headquartered here. They should pay taxes here. Um, do you not think that in order to sell products in this country that a foreign entity would have to export those products here??? I do, however, Apple is not a "foreign entity" last I checked. I believe they're headquarters is in Cupertino, unless they've made Delaware their official address. |
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On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:59:51 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 11/08/2011 11:53 AM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 23:35:14 -0600, wrote: On 10/08/2011 7:28 PM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:18:04 -0700, wrote: http://www.rttnews.com/Content/Break...=B1&Id=1689508 Too bad Apple is keeping most of their cash in China (a fact) Maybe if we didn't have such an abusive corporate tax rate they would repatriate some of that money and perhaps, make something here. Funny, I don't blame them. A iPad made in China and sold in China is supposed to pay DC income tax? Maybe China should impose a 5% currency loss taxes on US.... Hear yourself think? Look GE, putting $2B into China, moving its medial where the profits are. Makes sense. You backwards fleabeggars need to know the universe does not rotate around USA. Who knows, maybe Apple will pick up sticks and move to China. All USA has to offer is just more debt and debt-taxation. Which is really why jobs suck, not a good environment. Apple already does virtually all of it's manufacturing and assembly in China and they do most of the markup there so they do not look that profitable when they are sold here. The answer would be to tax these products coming into the country at the same rate China taxes our products going into their country. Yep. And Americans pay the taxes. In a way you just made a case not to tax companies but to tax consumption. The same argument many a VAT or sales taxes types profess. No reason for an Apple product made in China sold in China should pay US taxes. And, dummy, they aren't and shouldn't have to. However, if they want to sell in this country and they're based in this country, they should be paying their fair share in this country. We give China unreasonable breaks and then wonder why they are winning the trade war. Not entirely accurate. US culture is now lazy, lethargic, mentally lazy entitlement types and falling behind. People don't want work, they want welfare. Actually, very accurate, but you're an idiot. Mind you there are those working hard and cleaning up. Operative word, work. FACT: I bought a disk enclosure on Ebay that ended up coming from China. Total cost including shipping was $2.30 and came air mail USPS. I just mailed a pair of sunglasses to my daughter 150 miles away in West Palm, it cost $1.79 USPS. Both boxes weighted about the same (3.5-4 oz rate). Assuming the part was 30 cents, how can you ship something half way around the world for virtually the same price as it costs to ship across a skinny state? US costs and wages are too high. Outside of US, everything is cheaper, capital costs, wages, taxes, utilities, materials.... Taxation for example is a multiplier of over valuation. $200/hr to clean teeth, government gets 1/2, doubles the cost of life. Necessitating inflated wages. You continue to astonish us with your stupidity. I sent a camera to China last year and the price was about the same as sending it to Australia (close to $80). If I got the same box from China it would be cheaper than sending it to Miami. Why is that? |
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In article ,
says... On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 15:33:28 -0400, iBoat_Often wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:19:25 -0400, iBoat_Often wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 07:55:44 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... On 8/10/2011 9:28 PM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:18:04 -0700, wrote: http://www.rttnews.com/Content/Break...=B1&Id=1689508 Too bad Apple is keeping most of their cash in China (a fact) Maybe if we didn't have such an abusive corporate tax rate they would repatriate some of that money and perhaps, make something here. Abusive tax rate? You haven't been keeping up have you. Over fifteen hundred Corporations paid no tax. If a corporation is paying the 35% they better get a new tax accountant. When they do pay taxes, everything including the kitchen sink is deducted before taxes. Individuals usually pay a higher rate. This spiel is getting old. Surprised many still swallow it. If they make their money here, on Americans, they should pay their taxes here to support the Republic. If they paid their share everyone else could pay less, in theory. If I have $100 billion in China and I pay 15% tax in China I have $85 billion. Then when I repatriate that money I pay 35% on my $100 billion leaving me with $50 billion. Why would I ever want to lose half of my profits just to bring the money to the USA? If they want to sell products in this country, they should have to pay their fair share of taxes like everyone else. Should we in turn pay taxes to all of the countries that we export to? Never said "export to." They have a going concern and are headquartered here. They should pay taxes here. Um, do you not think that in order to sell products in this country that a foreign entity would have to export those products here??? I do, however, Apple is not a "foreign entity" last I checked. I believe they're headquarters is in Cupertino, unless they've made Delaware their official address. whooooosh....... |
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In article ,
says... On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:59:51 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: On 11/08/2011 11:53 AM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 23:35:14 -0600, wrote: On 10/08/2011 7:28 PM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:18:04 -0700, wrote: http://www.rttnews.com/Content/Break...=B1&Id=1689508 Too bad Apple is keeping most of their cash in China (a fact) Maybe if we didn't have such an abusive corporate tax rate they would repatriate some of that money and perhaps, make something here. Funny, I don't blame them. A iPad made in China and sold in China is supposed to pay DC income tax? Maybe China should impose a 5% currency loss taxes on US.... Hear yourself think? Look GE, putting $2B into China, moving its medial where the profits are. Makes sense. You backwards fleabeggars need to know the universe does not rotate around USA. Who knows, maybe Apple will pick up sticks and move to China. All USA has to offer is just more debt and debt-taxation. Which is really why jobs suck, not a good environment. Apple already does virtually all of it's manufacturing and assembly in China and they do most of the markup there so they do not look that profitable when they are sold here. The answer would be to tax these products coming into the country at the same rate China taxes our products going into their country. Yep. And Americans pay the taxes. In a way you just made a case not to tax companies but to tax consumption. The same argument many a VAT or sales taxes types profess. No reason for an Apple product made in China sold in China should pay US taxes. And, dummy, they aren't and shouldn't have to. However, if they want to sell in this country and they're based in this country, they should be paying their fair share in this country. We give China unreasonable breaks and then wonder why they are winning the trade war. Not entirely accurate. US culture is now lazy, lethargic, mentally lazy entitlement types and falling behind. People don't want work, they want welfare. Actually, very accurate, but you're an idiot. Mind you there are those working hard and cleaning up. Operative word, work. FACT: I bought a disk enclosure on Ebay that ended up coming from China. Total cost including shipping was $2.30 and came air mail USPS. I just mailed a pair of sunglasses to my daughter 150 miles away in West Palm, it cost $1.79 USPS. Both boxes weighted about the same (3.5-4 oz rate). Assuming the part was 30 cents, how can you ship something half way around the world for virtually the same price as it costs to ship across a skinny state? US costs and wages are too high. Outside of US, everything is cheaper, capital costs, wages, taxes, utilities, materials.... Taxation for example is a multiplier of over valuation. $200/hr to clean teeth, government gets 1/2, doubles the cost of life. Necessitating inflated wages. You continue to astonish us with your stupidity. I sent a camera to China last year and the price was about the same as sending it to Australia (close to $80). If I got the same box from China it would be cheaper than sending it to Miami. Why is that? And the childish name calling and insults continue.... |
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On 11/08/2011 1:10 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:19:25 -0400, wrote: In , says... On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 07:55:44 -0400, wrote: In , says... On 8/10/2011 9:28 PM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:18:04 -0700, wrote: http://www.rttnews.com/Content/Break...=B1&Id=1689508 Too bad Apple is keeping most of their cash in China (a fact) Maybe if we didn't have such an abusive corporate tax rate they would repatriate some of that money and perhaps, make something here. Abusive tax rate? You haven't been keeping up have you. Over fifteen hundred Corporations paid no tax. If a corporation is paying the 35% they better get a new tax accountant. When they do pay taxes, everything including the kitchen sink is deducted before taxes. Individuals usually pay a higher rate. This spiel is getting old. Surprised many still swallow it. If they make their money here, on Americans, they should pay their taxes here to support the Republic. If they paid their share everyone else could pay less, in theory. If I have $100 billion in China and I pay 15% tax in China I have $85 billion. Then when I repatriate that money I pay 35% on my $100 billion leaving me with $50 billion. Why would I ever want to lose half of my profits just to bring the money to the USA? If they want to sell products in this country, they should have to pay their fair share of taxes like everyone else. Should we in turn pay taxes to all of the countries that we export to? Never said "export to." They have a going concern and are headquartered here. They should pay taxes here. But if they make profits elsewhere, then maybe they should move elsewhere to be closer to profitable customers. -- Seems like paying your bills with real money is no longer the accepted behavior in USA. Perhaps that is the problem and not the the solution. |
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On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 16:36:02 -0400, iBoat_Often wrote:
In article , says... On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 15:33:28 -0400, iBoat_Often wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:19:25 -0400, iBoat_Often wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 07:55:44 -0400, BAR wrote: In article , says... On 8/10/2011 9:28 PM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:18:04 -0700, wrote: http://www.rttnews.com/Content/Break...=B1&Id=1689508 Too bad Apple is keeping most of their cash in China (a fact) Maybe if we didn't have such an abusive corporate tax rate they would repatriate some of that money and perhaps, make something here. Abusive tax rate? You haven't been keeping up have you. Over fifteen hundred Corporations paid no tax. If a corporation is paying the 35% they better get a new tax accountant. When they do pay taxes, everything including the kitchen sink is deducted before taxes. Individuals usually pay a higher rate. This spiel is getting old. Surprised many still swallow it. If they make their money here, on Americans, they should pay their taxes here to support the Republic. If they paid their share everyone else could pay less, in theory. If I have $100 billion in China and I pay 15% tax in China I have $85 billion. Then when I repatriate that money I pay 35% on my $100 billion leaving me with $50 billion. Why would I ever want to lose half of my profits just to bring the money to the USA? If they want to sell products in this country, they should have to pay their fair share of taxes like everyone else. Should we in turn pay taxes to all of the countries that we export to? Never said "export to." They have a going concern and are headquartered here. They should pay taxes here. Um, do you not think that in order to sell products in this country that a foreign entity would have to export those products here??? I do, however, Apple is not a "foreign entity" last I checked. I believe they're headquarters is in Cupertino, unless they've made Delaware their official address. whooooosh....... So, you believe they're a foreign corporation?? |
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On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 14:42:34 -0600, Canuck57
wrote: On 11/08/2011 1:10 PM, wrote: On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:19:25 -0400, wrote: In , says... On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 07:55:44 -0400, wrote: In , says... On 8/10/2011 9:28 PM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:18:04 -0700, wrote: http://www.rttnews.com/Content/Break...=B1&Id=1689508 Too bad Apple is keeping most of their cash in China (a fact) Maybe if we didn't have such an abusive corporate tax rate they would repatriate some of that money and perhaps, make something here. Abusive tax rate? You haven't been keeping up have you. Over fifteen hundred Corporations paid no tax. If a corporation is paying the 35% they better get a new tax accountant. When they do pay taxes, everything including the kitchen sink is deducted before taxes. Individuals usually pay a higher rate. This spiel is getting old. Surprised many still swallow it. If they make their money here, on Americans, they should pay their taxes here to support the Republic. If they paid their share everyone else could pay less, in theory. If I have $100 billion in China and I pay 15% tax in China I have $85 billion. Then when I repatriate that money I pay 35% on my $100 billion leaving me with $50 billion. Why would I ever want to lose half of my profits just to bring the money to the USA? If they want to sell products in this country, they should have to pay their fair share of taxes like everyone else. Should we in turn pay taxes to all of the countries that we export to? Never said "export to." They have a going concern and are headquartered here. They should pay taxes here. But if they make profits elsewhere, then maybe they should move elsewhere to be closer to profitable customers. Dummy... I'm sure they pay taxes elsewhere for doing business elsewhere. A huge percentage of their sales are in the US. They're a US-based corp. I guess you're unaware of things like cost accounting and such. Well, you're an idiot. |
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On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 16:41:44 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 12:17:02 -0700, wrote: On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:53:15 -0400, wrote: FACT: I bought a disk enclosure on Ebay that ended up coming from China. Total cost including shipping was $2.30 and came air mail USPS. I suspect they are building the cost of shipping into the price that is paid for the item. I pay about $14 (depending) to ship a skirt to Australia. I pay less than $5 to ship the skirt anywhere in the US. Where are they hiding the cost. I only paid $2.30 total. My postal carrier said it is because the USPS does not get anything near the regular postage on imported goods. The US part of the trip is getting a special rate. There are a lot of people ****ed about this at USPS. Maybe the disk enclosure only cost them $0.03 to make? No idea. You're right though... China is just doing it's capitalistic best. I think some regulation is in order. |
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On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 16:36:43 -0400, iBoat_Often wrote:
In article , says... On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:59:51 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: On 11/08/2011 11:53 AM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 23:35:14 -0600, wrote: On 10/08/2011 7:28 PM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:18:04 -0700, wrote: http://www.rttnews.com/Content/Break...=B1&Id=1689508 Too bad Apple is keeping most of their cash in China (a fact) Maybe if we didn't have such an abusive corporate tax rate they would repatriate some of that money and perhaps, make something here. Funny, I don't blame them. A iPad made in China and sold in China is supposed to pay DC income tax? Maybe China should impose a 5% currency loss taxes on US.... Hear yourself think? Look GE, putting $2B into China, moving its medial where the profits are. Makes sense. You backwards fleabeggars need to know the universe does not rotate around USA. Who knows, maybe Apple will pick up sticks and move to China. All USA has to offer is just more debt and debt-taxation. Which is really why jobs suck, not a good environment. Apple already does virtually all of it's manufacturing and assembly in China and they do most of the markup there so they do not look that profitable when they are sold here. The answer would be to tax these products coming into the country at the same rate China taxes our products going into their country. Yep. And Americans pay the taxes. In a way you just made a case not to tax companies but to tax consumption. The same argument many a VAT or sales taxes types profess. No reason for an Apple product made in China sold in China should pay US taxes. And, dummy, they aren't and shouldn't have to. However, if they want to sell in this country and they're based in this country, they should be paying their fair share in this country. We give China unreasonable breaks and then wonder why they are winning the trade war. Not entirely accurate. US culture is now lazy, lethargic, mentally lazy entitlement types and falling behind. People don't want work, they want welfare. Actually, very accurate, but you're an idiot. Mind you there are those working hard and cleaning up. Operative word, work. FACT: I bought a disk enclosure on Ebay that ended up coming from China. Total cost including shipping was $2.30 and came air mail USPS. I just mailed a pair of sunglasses to my daughter 150 miles away in West Palm, it cost $1.79 USPS. Both boxes weighted about the same (3.5-4 oz rate). Assuming the part was 30 cents, how can you ship something half way around the world for virtually the same price as it costs to ship across a skinny state? US costs and wages are too high. Outside of US, everything is cheaper, capital costs, wages, taxes, utilities, materials.... Taxation for example is a multiplier of over valuation. $200/hr to clean teeth, government gets 1/2, doubles the cost of life. Necessitating inflated wages. You continue to astonish us with your stupidity. I sent a camera to China last year and the price was about the same as sending it to Australia (close to $80). If I got the same box from China it would be cheaper than sending it to Miami. Why is that? And the childish name calling and insults continue.... Feel free to contribute something of substance... oh wait, you don't want to do that. |
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On 8/11/11 6:34 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 16:36:43 -0400, wrote: In , says... On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:59:51 -0600, wrote: On 11/08/2011 11:53 AM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 23:35:14 -0600, wrote: On 10/08/2011 7:28 PM, wrote: On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:18:04 -0700, wrote: http://www.rttnews.com/Content/Break...=B1&Id=1689508 Too bad Apple is keeping most of their cash in China (a fact) Maybe if we didn't have such an abusive corporate tax rate they would repatriate some of that money and perhaps, make something here. Funny, I don't blame them. A iPad made in China and sold in China is supposed to pay DC income tax? Maybe China should impose a 5% currency loss taxes on US.... Hear yourself think? Look GE, putting $2B into China, moving its medial where the profits are. Makes sense. You backwards fleabeggars need to know the universe does not rotate around USA. Who knows, maybe Apple will pick up sticks and move to China. All USA has to offer is just more debt and debt-taxation. Which is really why jobs suck, not a good environment. Apple already does virtually all of it's manufacturing and assembly in China and they do most of the markup there so they do not look that profitable when they are sold here. The answer would be to tax these products coming into the country at the same rate China taxes our products going into their country. Yep. And Americans pay the taxes. In a way you just made a case not to tax companies but to tax consumption. The same argument many a VAT or sales taxes types profess. No reason for an Apple product made in China sold in China should pay US taxes. And, dummy, they aren't and shouldn't have to. However, if they want to sell in this country and they're based in this country, they should be paying their fair share in this country. We give China unreasonable breaks and then wonder why they are winning the trade war. Not entirely accurate. US culture is now lazy, lethargic, mentally lazy entitlement types and falling behind. People don't want work, they want welfare. Actually, very accurate, but you're an idiot. Mind you there are those working hard and cleaning up. Operative word, work. FACT: I bought a disk enclosure on Ebay that ended up coming from China. Total cost including shipping was $2.30 and came air mail USPS. I just mailed a pair of sunglasses to my daughter 150 miles away in West Palm, it cost $1.79 USPS. Both boxes weighted about the same (3.5-4 oz rate). Assuming the part was 30 cents, how can you ship something half way around the world for virtually the same price as it costs to ship across a skinny state? US costs and wages are too high. Outside of US, everything is cheaper, capital costs, wages, taxes, utilities, materials.... Taxation for example is a multiplier of over valuation. $200/hr to clean teeth, government gets 1/2, doubles the cost of life. Necessitating inflated wages. You continue to astonish us with your stupidity. I sent a camera to China last year and the price was about the same as sending it to Australia (close to $80). If I got the same box from China it would be cheaper than sending it to Miami. Why is that? And the childish name calling and insults continue.... Feel free to contribute something of substance... oh wait, you don't want to do that. Why encourage the dumb little ****, Plume? No matter what "nym" he uses, he's still the same moron. -- Don't forget to leave a bit of beef for rec.boat's right-wing conservatrashers and ID spoofers to feed upon. The more they feed, the quicker rec.boats will fall into the black hole of cyberspace and disappear. |
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On 8/11/2011 4:41 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 12:17:02 -0700, wrote: On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:53:15 -0400, wrote: FACT: I bought a disk enclosure on Ebay that ended up coming from China. Total cost including shipping was $2.30 and came air mail USPS. I suspect they are building the cost of shipping into the price that is paid for the item. I pay about $14 (depending) to ship a skirt to Australia. I pay less than $5 to ship the skirt anywhere in the US. Where are they hiding the cost. I only paid $2.30 total. My postal carrier said it is because the USPS does not get anything near the regular postage on imported goods. The US part of the trip is getting a special rate. There are a lot of people ****ed about this at USPS. So with the USPS running another loss this quarter, we are paying the Chinese to ship their **** here?? |
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On 8/11/11 10:51 PM, I am Tosk wrote:
So with the USPS running another loss this quarter, we are paying the Chinese to ship their **** here?? What do you care? Almost everything you buy likely is made in the communist people's republic of china. -- Don't forget to leave a bit of beef for rec.boat's right-wing conservatrashers and ID spoofers to feed upon. The more they feed, the quicker rec.boats will fall into the black hole of cyberspace and disappear. |
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On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 08:01:13 -0400, BAR wrote:
In article , says... On 8/11/11 10:51 PM, I am Tosk wrote: So with the USPS running another loss this quarter, we are paying the Chinese to ship their **** here?? What do you care? Almost everything you buy likely is made in the communist people's republic of china. The USPS is the last mile. I have made several purchases and had them shipped via USPS. What actually happens is that a common carrier receives the package at the shippers location and delivers it to my local post office for the last mile to my house. The interesting thing is that the USPS wants out of the government retirement and health care plans and they want to dump 120,000 employees. They want out because they're trying to lower costs in the current toxic climate, not because they want to throw out 120K people. |
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On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:20:45 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 22:51:24 -0400, I am Tosk wrote: On 8/11/2011 4:41 PM, wrote: On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 12:17:02 -0700, wrote: On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:53:15 -0400, wrote: FACT: I bought a disk enclosure on Ebay that ended up coming from China. Total cost including shipping was $2.30 and came air mail USPS. I suspect they are building the cost of shipping into the price that is paid for the item. I pay about $14 (depending) to ship a skirt to Australia. I pay less than $5 to ship the skirt anywhere in the US. Where are they hiding the cost. I only paid $2.30 total. My postal carrier said it is because the USPS does not get anything near the regular postage on imported goods. The US part of the trip is getting a special rate. There are a lot of people ****ed about this at USPS. So with the USPS running another loss this quarter, we are paying the Chinese to ship their **** here?? It sure looks that way Except that's not how it works, despite how it "looks." |
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On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 22:29:06 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:12:32 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:20:45 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 22:51:24 -0400, I am Tosk wrote: On 8/11/2011 4:41 PM, wrote: On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 12:17:02 -0700, wrote: On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:53:15 -0400, wrote: FACT: I bought a disk enclosure on Ebay that ended up coming from China. Total cost including shipping was $2.30 and came air mail USPS. I suspect they are building the cost of shipping into the price that is paid for the item. I pay about $14 (depending) to ship a skirt to Australia. I pay less than $5 to ship the skirt anywhere in the US. Where are they hiding the cost. I only paid $2.30 total. My postal carrier said it is because the USPS does not get anything near the regular postage on imported goods. The US part of the trip is getting a special rate. There are a lot of people ****ed about this at USPS. So with the USPS running another loss this quarter, we are paying the Chinese to ship their **** here?? It sure looks that way Except that's not how it works, despite how it "looks." Actually it is worse. I looked around a little and the best I can tell we are still working under a Universal Postal Union treaty from 1991 where we collect postage for international shipments going out of the country and people shipping into the country collect the postage on that end. The receiving country carries the package internally for free. The assumption is it will all come out in the wash. We know the USPS has a significant charge for outgoing international mail but it is unclear the chinese pay anything to ship things here. Firstly, it's a treaty signed by which Republican president? Secondly, we're not "paying" the Chinese to ship anything. We're honoring the treating by carrying for free. Thirdly, do you really believe that the differential in cost is what is causing the USPS to have financial problems? The USPS is perhaps the most efficient like service in the world. They're not perfect, certainly, but they do a damn good job. |
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On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 00:00:07 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 20:16:59 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 22:29:06 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:12:32 -0700, wrote: So with the USPS running another loss this quarter, we are paying the Chinese to ship their **** here?? It sure looks that way Except that's not how it works, despite how it "looks." Actually it is worse. I looked around a little and the best I can tell we are still working under a Universal Postal Union treaty from 1991 where we collect postage for international shipments going out of the country and people shipping into the country collect the postage on that end. The receiving country carries the package internally for free. The assumption is it will all come out in the wash. We know the USPS has a significant charge for outgoing international mail but it is unclear the chinese pay anything to ship things here. Firstly, it's a treaty signed by which Republican president? The original UPU treaty? Millard Fillmore. There was a framework in place before the Civil War. You quoted 1991. Which president was that? Secondly, we're not "paying" the Chinese to ship anything. We're honoring the treating by carrying for free. This was actually addressing a question of unfair trade practices. If China is letting their manufacturers ship to the US virtually free and we charge a much higher rate going to China that is not fair. I agree. They also inflate their currency by something like 30%. Thirdly, do you really believe that the differential in cost is what is causing the USPS to have financial problems? The USPS is perhaps the most efficient like service in the world. They're not perfect, certainly, but they do a damn good job. I like the USPS, they are better here than UPS and FedX I do think they are taking a screwing with this "free" mail they have to deliver. I agree. I don't think the fix is a tariff or something like that, however. I believe it was GWB who decided to grant China most favored trade status, which removed the annual review by Congress. Yet another of his dubious policy decisions. |
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On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 02:01:09 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 22:19:13 -0700, wrote: On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 00:00:07 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 20:16:59 -0700, wrote: Firstly, it's a treaty signed by which Republican president? The original UPU treaty? Millard Fillmore. There was a framework in place before the Civil War. You quoted 1991. Which president was that? GHWB, what's your point? So that the morons here can't blame Clinton or Obama for it. Secondly, we're not "paying" the Chinese to ship anything. We're honoring the treating by carrying for free. This was actually addressing a question of unfair trade practices. If China is letting their manufacturers ship to the US virtually free and we charge a much higher rate going to China that is not fair. I agree. They also inflate their currency by something like 30%. Thirdly, do you really believe that the differential in cost is what is causing the USPS to have financial problems? The USPS is perhaps the most efficient like service in the world. They're not perfect, certainly, but they do a damn good job. I like the USPS, they are better here than UPS and FedX I do think they are taking a screwing with this "free" mail they have to deliver. I agree. I don't think the fix is a tariff or something like that, however. No it is something called Terminal Dues that is in the treaty when most of the trade is one way. We just don't do it with China I believe it was GWB who decided to grant China most favored trade status, which removed the annual review by Congress. Yet another of his dubious policy decisions. I am surprised you didn't Google this before you spoke but if you tee it up I will hit it. William Jefferson Clinton http://tech.mit.edu/V114/N27/china.27w.html Bummer that you left out the key phrase, "Echoing the case made by George Bush when he was president, Clinton said he was convinced the Chinese would take more steps to improve human rights if the issue were separated from the threat of trade sanctions." Feel free to "hit" that one. So, I say again, GWB decided to grant China that status... right around Tiananmen Square time I believe. |
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wrote:
On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:12:32 -0700, wrote: On Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:20:45 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 22:51:24 -0400, I am Tosk wrote: On 8/11/2011 4:41 PM, wrote: On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 12:17:02 -0700, wrote: On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:53:15 -0400, wrote: FACT: I bought a disk enclosure on Ebay that ended up coming from China. Total cost including shipping was $2.30 and came air mail USPS. I suspect they are building the cost of shipping into the price that is paid for the item. I pay about $14 (depending) to ship a skirt to Australia. I pay less than $5 to ship the skirt anywhere in the US. Where are they hiding the cost. I only paid $2.30 total. My postal carrier said it is because the USPS does not get anything near the regular postage on imported goods. The US part of the trip is getting a special rate. There are a lot of people ****ed about this at USPS. So with the USPS running another loss this quarter, we are paying the Chinese to ship their **** here?? It sure looks that way Except that's not how it works, despite how it "looks." Actually it is worse. I looked around a little and the best I can tell we are still working under a Universal Postal Union treaty from 1991 where we collect postage for international shipments going out of the country and people shipping into the country collect the postage on that end. The receiving country carries the package internally for free. The assumption is it will all come out in the wash. We know the USPS has a significant charge for outgoing international mail but it is unclear the chinese pay anything to ship things here. Most Chinese merchandise is shipped by shipping containers. The USPS would cost too much. |
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On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 23:38:24 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 10:46:40 -0700, wrote: On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 02:01:09 -0400, wrote: I believe it was GWB who decided to grant China most favored trade status, which removed the annual review by Congress. Yet another of his dubious policy decisions. I am surprised you didn't Google this before you spoke but if you tee it up I will hit it. William Jefferson Clinton http://tech.mit.edu/V114/N27/china.27w.html Bummer that you left out the key phrase, "Echoing the case made by George Bush when he was president, Clinton said he was convinced the Chinese would take more steps to improve human rights if the issue were separated from the threat of trade sanctions." Feel free to "hit" that one. So, I say again, GWB decided to grant China that status... right around Tiananmen Square time I believe. You can say what you want but the fact is Clinton gave China MFN and I remember the stink when he did it. GHWB said he was not willing to do it until he saw real human rights reform out of China. Little did we understand, it was the US economy that was at stake. GWB was still in Texas, Running against Ann Richards. So, you're denying that Bush I did it before him, and Reagan before that? It might have started in 1979, but it was renewed by both of those presidents prior to Clinton. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedicti...-Nation+Status Try again. |
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