On 7/30/2011 2:07 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 30/07/2011 10:35 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 08:26:17 -0400, Beach Bum"not a
wrote:

On 7/30/2011 1:34 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
http://www.boston.com/business/healt...off_1200_plus/



1200 direct and who nows how many indirect jobs are lost.

Another victim of Obama-tax.

At least they aren't *all* US jobs. But still it's not good to lose any
jobs due to a country running helter skelter for lack of leadership.

Were you one of the screamers when Obama kept GM afloat?


You mean when Obama illegally gave GM to the unions?

GM and Chrysler should have gone through the existing bankruptcy
process.

Maybe UAW should bailout the US government?

Investment in our government should be by the People.
They stopped selling bonds except in 10,000.00 increments to Investors.
Americans need a stake in our Republic beyond being subjects.
Restart the small secure bond sales, by payroll deduction, at banks,
credit unions, and post offices.

On 30/07/2011 12:19 PM, LilAbner wrote:
On 7/30/2011 2:07 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 30/07/2011 10:35 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 08:26:17 -0400, Beach Bum"not a
wrote:

On 7/30/2011 1:34 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
http://www.boston.com/business/healt...off_1200_plus/




1200 direct and who nows how many indirect jobs are lost.

Another victim of Obama-tax.

At least they aren't *all* US jobs. But still it's not good to lose
any
jobs due to a country running helter skelter for lack of leadership.

Were you one of the screamers when Obama kept GM afloat?


You mean when Obama illegally gave GM to the unions?

GM and Chrysler should have gone through the existing bankruptcy
process.

Maybe UAW should bailout the US government?

Investment in our government should be by the People.
They stopped selling bonds except in 10,000.00 increments to Investors.
Americans need a stake in our Republic beyond being subjects.
Restart the small secure bond sales, by payroll deduction, at banks,
credit unions, and post offices.

Key part is stopping Bernanke fraud money print. US treasury hasn't
borrowed much real money since Sept 2008. How interest rates are set
ignores the lender side of the market which wants 5 to 10%. Bernanke
just creates the fraud money and lends it out driving down the rates.

Which really started in 2007, when the first credit crunch came.

No one in their right mind would buy a US treasury tight now under these
fraud conditions. I wouldn't even comment mutual funds in bonds or
mortgages. Just too much fraud. It is more like musical chairs
gambling for a 1% return. Stupid high risk for the below inflation
return. Better off elsewhere.

But agree, if government was forced to pay fair rates of return, it
should be forced to buy the paper from its own people. But government
enjoys the fraud too much. For example, borrow a trillion of SS at say
0.5% in a 4.5% inflation environment is cheap money, and the SS looses
4% in value each inflation year. Government covers it with higher
employment taxes. Liberal media will not tell the people of this fraud,
they are pro-statism.

Best way for people is to use the ROTH. ROTH is tax free later when you
need it in retirement and taxes are going up big time. IRA may not be
the best as you might end up paying more taxes on withdrawal than you
got deferred on contribution, a higher risk. Just put $100/week into a
ROTH. If government ever offers bonds at fair rates, buy them in the ROTH.
--
Seems like paying your bills with real money is no longer the accepted
behavior in USA. Perhaps that is the problem and not the the solution.

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 14:19:11 -0400, LilAbner wrote:


Investment in our government should be by the People.
They stopped selling bonds except in 10,000.00 increments to Investors.
Americans need a stake in our Republic beyond being subjects.
Restart the small secure bond sales, by payroll deduction, at banks,
credit unions, and post offices.

let's see...the right wing supreme court decided corporations should
run american elections

On 30/07/2011 1:23 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 14:19:11 -0400, wrote:


Investment in our government should be by the People.
They stopped selling bonds except in 10,000.00 increments to Investors.
Americans need a stake in our Republic beyond being subjects.
Restart the small secure bond sales, by payroll deduction, at banks,
credit unions, and post offices.

let's see...the right wing supreme court decided corporations should
run american elections

Don't worry, no one expects you to buy a $10,000 US treasury note. You
don't have the money, and even if you did....

If they paid fairly, and had 2x inflation guaranty, I would buy 10 or 20
lots. But they don't pay worth crap. Not even enough to cover a small
fraction of inflation+taxes.

So screw them. 1% isn't an investment, it is stupid depreciating paper
issued from a bankrupt government and depreciating currency.

Unlike Moody and S&P which are frauds anyway, I also account for future
value, and after 10 years of inflation they are worth less than you
started with. Junk paper.

--
Seems like paying your bills with real money is no longer the accepted
behavior in USA. Perhaps that is the problem and not the the solution.

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 13:41:14 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 30/07/2011 1:23 PM, wf3h wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 14:19:11 -0400, wrote:


Investment in our government should be by the People.
They stopped selling bonds except in 10,000.00 increments to Investors.
Americans need a stake in our Republic beyond being subjects.
Restart the small secure bond sales, by payroll deduction, at banks,
credit unions, and post offices.

let's see...the right wing supreme court decided corporations should
run american elections

Don't worry, no one expects you to buy a $10,000 US treasury note. You
don't have the money, and even if you did....

If they paid fairly, and had 2x inflation guaranty, I would buy 10 or 20
lots. But they don't pay worth crap. Not even enough to cover a small
fraction of inflation+taxes.

So screw them. 1% isn't an investment, it is stupid depreciating paper
issued from a bankrupt government and depreciating currency.

Unlike Moody and S&P which are frauds anyway, I also account for future
value, and after 10 years of inflation they are worth less than you
started with. Junk paper.



unlike canada with socialized medicine and many unio n members

go figure

u

In article , says...

On 7/30/2011 2:07 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 30/07/2011 10:35 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 08:26:17 -0400, Beach Bum"not a
wrote:

On 7/30/2011 1:34 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
http://www.boston.com/business/healt...off_1200_plus/



1200 direct and who nows how many indirect jobs are lost.

Another victim of Obama-tax.

At least they aren't *all* US jobs. But still it's not good to lose any
jobs due to a country running helter skelter for lack of leadership.

Were you one of the screamers when Obama kept GM afloat?


You mean when Obama illegally gave GM to the unions?

GM and Chrysler should have gone through the existing bankruptcy
process.

Maybe UAW should bailout the US government?

Investment in our government should be by the People.
They stopped selling bonds except in 10,000.00 increments to Investors.
Americans need a stake in our Republic beyond being subjects.
Restart the small secure bond sales, by payroll deduction, at banks,
credit unions, and post offices.

You have never heard of a US Savings Bond, dumb-ass?

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/indiv/...s/products.htm

On 30/07/2011 4:27 PM, BAR wrote:
In , says...

On 7/30/2011 2:07 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 30/07/2011 10:35 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 08:26:17 -0400, Beach Bum"not a
wrote:

On 7/30/2011 1:34 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
http://www.boston.com/business/healt...off_1200_plus/



1200 direct and who nows how many indirect jobs are lost.

Another victim of Obama-tax.

At least they aren't *all* US jobs. But still it's not good to lose any
jobs due to a country running helter skelter for lack of leadership.

Were you one of the screamers when Obama kept GM afloat?


You mean when Obama illegally gave GM to the unions?

GM and Chrysler should have gone through the existing bankruptcy
process.

Maybe UAW should bailout the US government?

Investment in our government should be by the People.
They stopped selling bonds except in 10,000.00 increments to Investors.
Americans need a stake in our Republic beyond being subjects.
Restart the small secure bond sales, by payroll deduction, at banks,
credit unions, and post offices.

You have never heard of a US Savings Bond, dumb-ass?

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/indiv/...s/products.htm

Employers might not offer them any more, the yield isn't worth the paper
it is written on. $1000 over a year might only have a yield of $1 or $2
if your lucky.

Only reason to use them is if it is used as an aid to accumulate money
on a time per check basis, pretty hard to invest $100, but $10,000 --
just buy a dividend yielding blue chip like COP or KFT or one of dozens
of others.
--
Seems like paying your bills with real money is no longer the accepted
behavior in USA. Perhaps that is the problem and not the the solution.

On 7/30/2011 6:27 PM, BAR wrote:
In , says...

On 7/30/2011 2:07 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 30/07/2011 10:35 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 08:26:17 -0400, Beach Bum"not a
wrote:

On 7/30/2011 1:34 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
http://www.boston.com/business/healt...off_1200_plus/



1200 direct and who nows how many indirect jobs are lost.

Another victim of Obama-tax.

At least they aren't *all* US jobs. But still it's not good to lose any
jobs due to a country running helter skelter for lack of leadership.

Were you one of the screamers when Obama kept GM afloat?


You mean when Obama illegally gave GM to the unions?

GM and Chrysler should have gone through the existing bankruptcy
process.

Maybe UAW should bailout the US government?

Investment in our government should be by the People.
They stopped selling bonds except in 10,000.00 increments to Investors.
Americans need a stake in our Republic beyond being subjects.
Restart the small secure bond sales, by payroll deduction, at banks,
credit unions, and post offices.

You have never heard of a US Savings Bond, dumb-ass?

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/indiv/...s/products.htm
Buy one at the post office or by payroll deduction.

On 30/07/2011 8:21 PM, LilAbner wrote:
On 7/30/2011 6:27 PM, BAR wrote:
In , says...

On 7/30/2011 2:07 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 30/07/2011 10:35 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 08:26:17 -0400, Beach Bum"not a
wrote:

On 7/30/2011 1:34 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
http://www.boston.com/business/healt...off_1200_plus/




1200 direct and who nows how many indirect jobs are lost.

Another victim of Obama-tax.

At least they aren't *all* US jobs. But still it's not good to
lose any
jobs due to a country running helter skelter for lack of leadership.

Were you one of the screamers when Obama kept GM afloat?


You mean when Obama illegally gave GM to the unions?

GM and Chrysler should have gone through the existing bankruptcy
process.

Maybe UAW should bailout the US government?

Investment in our government should be by the People.
They stopped selling bonds except in 10,000.00 increments to Investors.
Americans need a stake in our Republic beyond being subjects.
Restart the small secure bond sales, by payroll deduction, at banks,
credit unions, and post offices.

You have never heard of a US Savings Bond, dumb-ass?

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/indiv/...s/products.htm
Buy one at the post office or by payroll deduction.

They only pay at max 1/10th of 1%. Or about $5 on $5000. Hardly worth
the gas to go there.

Which is also why the US is failing. Bernanke is printing USD so fast
with the intent of making the currency loose value fast. And that
attacks the wealth of America.

Zero rate debt is a huge fraud on America. Time just to call Bernanke a
criminal.

--
Seems like paying your bills with real money is no longer the accepted
behavior in USA. Perhaps that is the problem and not the the solution.

On 7/30/2011 11:11 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 30/07/2011 8:21 PM, LilAbner wrote:
On 7/30/2011 6:27 PM, BAR wrote:
In , says...

On 7/30/2011 2:07 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 30/07/2011 10:35 AM, BAR wrote:
In ,
says...

On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 08:26:17 -0400, Beach Bum"not a
wrote:

On 7/30/2011 1:34 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
http://www.boston.com/business/healt...off_1200_plus/





1200 direct and who nows how many indirect jobs are lost.

Another victim of Obama-tax.

At least they aren't *all* US jobs. But still it's not good to
lose any
jobs due to a country running helter skelter for lack of
leadership.

Were you one of the screamers when Obama kept GM afloat?


You mean when Obama illegally gave GM to the unions?

GM and Chrysler should have gone through the existing bankruptcy
process.

Maybe UAW should bailout the US government?

Investment in our government should be by the People.
They stopped selling bonds except in 10,000.00 increments to Investors.
Americans need a stake in our Republic beyond being subjects.
Restart the small secure bond sales, by payroll deduction, at banks,
credit unions, and post offices.

You have never heard of a US Savings Bond, dumb-ass?

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/indiv/...s/products.htm
Buy one at the post office or by payroll deduction.

They only pay at max 1/10th of 1%. Or about $5 on $5000. Hardly worth
the gas to go there.

Which is also why the US is failing. Bernanke is printing USD so fast
with the intent of making the currency loose value fast. And that
attacks the wealth of America.

Zero rate debt is a huge fraud on America. Time just to call Bernanke a
criminal.

It could stand improvements. They have to have the push to do it though.
Americans should be able to invest in our Country. Who owns America
makes a difference.