On 19/07/2011 10:08 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 09:39:33 -0600,
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On 18/07/2011 10:57 PM, Califbill wrote:
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On 17/07/2011 6:06 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 12:46:52 -0600,
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On 17/07/2011 11:44 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 11:31:03 -0600,
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On 16/07/2011 6:00 PM, Q JINN wrote:
AARP

https://action.aarp.org/site/Advocac...Action&id=1293


Tell Congress: No Unfair Cuts to Medicare and Social Security

Right now, Congress is considering deals to pay the nation's bills
that
would include dramatic cuts to Medicare and put the health of
millions
of older Americans at risk.

We can't allow Congress to balance the budget on the backs of
America's
seniors

Send a message to your members of Congress

I do have a problem cutting social security. It soud be the last one
chopped. While people had the misguided idea government would
manage it
well, it is an obligation that was paid for. Cut welfare first, as
welfare didn't pay squat into it. Plus the payroll tax is there for
social security.

Welfare is already bare-bones. It's the final safety net for a
society. Clinton scaled it back quite dramatically, but you don't care
about facts. You just want to hurt the poor.


But the say fact is that decades of fiscal mismanagement of SS has
left
it crippled. Government borrows and wastes the moneys, pays well
below
inflation diluting the value of it every year. Like a parasite
sucking
slowly and surely.

There's little fiscal mismanagement in SS. As usual, you're devoid of
actual facts.

Medicare and medicaid, why not merge the two and lower the service
levels, make it more efficient and less costly? Sorry, not
everyone can
go out costing $3 million for heart, lung, kidneys...there has to be
rationed limits.

You moron. Medicaid is a STATE run program. Medicare is FEDERAL. GET A
CLUE!

The big hack should be military, general administration and over all
efficiencies. Michelle for example, 50+ staff? You're kidding right?

No argument about the military, but the right-wing won't do that. And,
you're a racist little pig.

A good law to slide into government might be no raises for any civil
servant until the budget is 100% balanced for one budget cycle. A
little motivation to get the lead out.

That's a noise-level "solution."

If unions, governemnt or people sanely cared about pensions, pensions
would be in your name, in your account and in your control, and if
some
central authority want big pools of money, they would have to
borrow it
from you at defined terms acceptable to you. No more skimming and
bamboozling. Social security, employee and employers part, company
pension, all go into the IRA/401K. Current pension plans are total
bullship, except for government elite with the gold plated indexed
plans. Sort of an eglitarian aristoracy to be government these days.
They should get and use the same benefits as they provide.

But big fat government is about milking and managing the herd for the
egalitarianism in our societies. Taxation and government has
turned out
to be modern day slavery.

As usual, you're totally ignorant.

Ya well why have 8 different departments doing the same damn thing as
Medicare and Medicaid? Government has to stop treating inefficiency as
a goal.

So, forget states rights then? You're really a dummy.


You're the racist, Polly want a cracker? Or does Polly want a cracker
to pay for it?

I like the idea of tying civil servant pay check to performance goals in
a non-subjective way. Lazy idealist fantastic dreamers in government
need a stark wakeup call.

Huh? Which civil servants?

By the way, I once worked for US government sponsored organization once.
What a CF, the idiots found the most inefficient ways to do the most
simplistic of things in the most complex and stupidest ways possible.

You're a known liar and a fool. Nobody would hire you for any gov't
position.

Every department, every job needs a review in government that asks the
questions:

1) How does this benefit all Americans? (cut the racism hidden in
special programs, it should not mater if you are bown, white, black,
yellow, red or purple, it is "We the People...".

2) Is it cost effective and lean?

3) Is it really needed? Or just subsiding dysfunctional behavior?

Yet, the Republicans typically block reform. They just want to kill
everything.

And, whatever "fat" that's left wouldn't amount to much money in the
scheme of things. But, that doesn't matter to a racist little pig like
you.

Funny, your broke. As in debt welshing LOSER.

I got a kick out of Timothy Geithner today going after the Euro default
situation, man sure is a real hypocritical stupendous idiot.

All a default means is that it is now pay as you go. Nothing more or less.
--
What government fears the most is that the people correctly learn that
they need government less than the government needs them.
Say no more debt, no more debt-slave taxes. Economic freedom matters too!


Reply:
Social Security and Medicare need to be on the table also! We can not
afford to give out money we do not have. How about change the law, so
the SS and Medicare money does not go to the general fund. Any surplus
goes to paying down the debt. No hiding overspending by stealing the SS
money. Plus some means testing, and copay for doctor visits. All my
medical plans for the last 30+ years had a copay. Medicare and United
Health supplemental, go to the doctor any time you want. No cost. Want
your blood pressure checked 3 times a week. Just go to the doctor or
hospital. If you are really poor, not just what we call poor here in
the states, then you get a credit at tax time. Poor here, seem to have
cars, TV, game station of some sort and cable. And are overweight.
Don’t believe it, then do a little research. Immigrants get SSI, and
the minimum is more than the minimum Social Security. Why do they get
SSI? There sponsor, promises to provide for them. My sister in law is
from England. She brought her parents over shortly after he retired as
an English Crown Corporation employee. Well he worked for the
government. First thing they do is sign up for SSI. I thought it was
wrong in 1969 and still think it is wrong now. Cut all NEA money.
constitution does not call for the Federal Government to provide public
artwork. Is a nice thing, but we are cutting services to handicapped,
while still endowing the arts. As well as not cutting pay or number of
employees of the government Actually we are cutting services while
adding large number of employees. Why are you avoiding pain while
heaping on debt for our grandchildren to pay for your excesses?

Unfortunately you are right, no program anywhere should be spared.

The easiest most fair way to solve Social Security screwing going
forward is to phase it out and replace it with mandated savings but in
your name, in your account and in your control -- failing that it is
real a tax on income.

I think they partially closed the SS loophole you mention, you need 40
points, can earn up to 4 per year depending if you pay enough taxes. I
have 40. But still there in that someone can move from say India or
Afghanistan, work 10 years and fully collect.

Because the pool of money is skimmed and abused. Governemtn borrows it
for 1% return in a 4% inflation environment and it looses 3% vlue every
year!!! Then they also use it to subsidize those that don't pay enough
for the benefits they get.

Hey, I am not anti-socialist, if a vet or truly disabled person needs it
fine. But many are no-pay collectors.

Basically, like everything else government Social Security has been
mismanaged. I suspect similarily medicare/medicaid too is like this.

But for every $1 cut in these programs, I would want to see $3 from
administration and $5 from the military. And pay freezes for all of
government until the budget was balanced.

Good part is intelligent people will see SSI people get screwed will
eventually question why they pay the employment taxes. These employment
taxes plus wages have grown over the years, but wages remain stagnant
because of the employment tax creep. People don't see what isn't in
their faces.

Agree with co-pay. Needs to be a small charge even i they are poor. If
you can't come up with $10 or $25, you have your priorities all wrong.

Stuff like foreign aid corruption, bailouts, handouts for nothing
programs all should be just scrapped including the civil servants that
run them. That part of government is a waste.

No need to duplicate medicare/medicaid, merge them either to the state
or to the fed, but the duplication is insane. Also, the federal civil
servants get that service as they get to eat their own dog food. Yep,
cut their plans for the government plan. No egalitarianism.

Some 500 departments and programs of low or no value have been
identified, they should just be eliminated. Simplify, reduce costs and
stop the bleeding here. 90% of these are targeted pork barrel programs
anyways, it should be "We the People..." or not at all.

It would not be tough provided the president actually managed the
government and not let the government manage him.

Worst sins of a civil employee are downsize and efficiency. Time it was
fixed.

Wow.. two more fools agreeing with each other. Call CNN!

So what are you going to do when your greedy envious ass gets the boot
off of socialist assistance? Hey, we know Obama be your sugar daddy.
--
What government fears the most is that the people correctly learn that
they need government less than the government needs them.
Say no more debt, no more debt-slave taxes. Economic freedom matters too!