On 19/07/2011 7:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
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On 17/07/2011 6:06 PM, wrote:
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On 17/07/2011 11:44 AM, wrote:
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On 16/07/2011 6:00 PM, Q JINN wrote:
AARP

https://action.aarp.org/site/Advocac...Action&id=1293


Tell Congress: No Unfair Cuts to Medicare and Social Security

Right now, Congress is considering deals to pay the nation's bills
that
would include dramatic cuts to Medicare and put the health of
millions
of older Americans at risk.

We can't allow Congress to balance the budget on the backs of
America's
seniors

Send a message to your members of Congress
I do have a problem cutting social security. It soud be the last one
chopped. While people had the misguided idea government would manage
it
well, it is an obligation that was paid for. Cut welfare first, as
welfare didn't pay squat into it. Plus the payroll tax is there for
social security.
Welfare is already bare-bones. It's the final safety net for a
society. Clinton scaled it back quite dramatically, but you don't
care
about facts. You just want to hurt the poor.

But the say fact is that decades of fiscal mismanagement of SS
has left
it crippled. Government borrows and wastes the moneys, pays well
below
inflation diluting the value of it every year. Like a parasite
sucking
slowly and surely.
There's little fiscal mismanagement in SS. As usual, you're devoid of
actual facts.

Medicare and medicaid, why not merge the two and lower the service
levels, make it more efficient and less costly? Sorry, not everyone
can
go out costing $3 million for heart, lung, kidneys...there has to be
rationed limits.
You moron. Medicaid is a STATE run program. Medicare is FEDERAL.
GET A
CLUE!

The big hack should be military, general administration and over all
efficiencies. Michelle for example, 50+ staff? You're kidding right?
No argument about the military, but the right-wing won't do that.
And,
you're a racist little pig.

A good law to slide into government might be no raises for any civil
servant until the budget is 100% balanced for one budget cycle. A
little motivation to get the lead out.
That's a noise-level "solution."

If unions, governemnt or people sanely cared about pensions,
pensions
would be in your name, in your account and in your control, and
if some
central authority want big pools of money, they would have to
borrow it
from you at defined terms acceptable to you. No more skimming and
bamboozling. Social security, employee and employers part, company
pension, all go into the IRA/401K. Current pension plans are total
bullship, except for government elite with the gold plated indexed
plans. Sort of an eglitarian aristoracy to be government these days.
They should get and use the same benefits as they provide.

But big fat government is about milking and managing the herd for
the
egalitarianism in our societies. Taxation and government has turned
out
to be modern day slavery.
As usual, you're totally ignorant.
Ya well why have 8 different departments doing the same damn thing as
Medicare and Medicaid? Government has to stop treating inefficiency as
a goal.
So, forget states rights then? You're really a dummy.

You're the racist, Polly want a cracker? Or does Polly want a cracker
to pay for it?

I like the idea of tying civil servant pay check to performance
goals in
a non-subjective way. Lazy idealist fantastic dreamers in government
need a stark wakeup call.
Huh? Which civil servants?

By the way, I once worked for US government sponsored organization
once.
What a CF, the idiots found the most inefficient ways to do the most
simplistic of things in the most complex and stupidest ways possible.
You're a known liar and a fool. Nobody would hire you for any gov't
position.

Every department, every job needs a review in government that asks the
questions:

1) How does this benefit all Americans? (cut the racism hidden in
special programs, it should not mater if you are bown, white, black,
yellow, red or purple, it is "We the People...".

2) Is it cost effective and lean?

3) Is it really needed? Or just subsiding dysfunctional behavior?
Yet, the Republicans typically block reform. They just want to kill
everything.

And, whatever "fat" that's left wouldn't amount to much money in the
scheme of things. But, that doesn't matter to a racist little pig like
you.
Funny, your broke. As in debt welshing LOSER.

I got a kick out of Timothy Geithner today going after the Euro default
situation, man sure is a real hypocritical stupendous idiot.

All a default means is that it is now pay as you go. Nothing more or
less.
Reply:
Social Security and Medicare need to be on the table also! We can not
afford to give out money we do not have. How about change the law, so
the
SS and Medicare money does not go to the general fund. Any surplus
goes to
paying down the debt. No hiding overspending by stealing the SS money.
Firstly, there's already a means test for SSI. The big ticket item for
Medicare is reducing fraud, but the Republicans don't want to fund it.
They just want to talk about it.

Plus some means testing, and copay for doctor visits. All my medical
plans
for the last 30+ years had a copay. Medicare and United Health
supplemental, go to the doctor any time you want. No cost. Want your
blood
pressure checked 3 times a week. Just go to the doctor or hospital.
If you
are really poor, not just what we call poor here in the states, then
you get
a credit at tax time. Poor here, seem to have cars, TV, game station of
some sort and cable. And are overweight.
What a bunch of nonsense. Feel free to blame the poor for your
problems.

Don’t believe it, then do a
little research. Immigrants get SSI, and the minimum is more than the
minimum Social Security. Why do they get SSI? There sponsor, promises to
provide for them. My sister in law is from England. She brought her
parents over shortly after he retired as an English Crown Corporation
employee. Well he worked for the government. First thing they do is sign
up for SSI. I thought it was wrong in 1969 and still think it is
wrong now.
Cut all NEA money. constitution does not call for the Federal
Government to
provide public artwork. Is a nice thing, but we are cutting services to
handicapped, while still endowing the arts. As well as not cutting
pay or
number of employees of the government Actually we are cutting services
while adding large number of employees. Why are you avoiding pain while
heaping on debt for our grandchildren to pay for your excesses?
Good grief. You're the one who needs to do a little research. SSI is
not just about retirement money. There are lots of reasons why SSI is
totally appropriate. Of course, since you're getting yours and nobody
is talking about taking yours away, you have no problem taking other
people's away. What a hypocrite.

Sure.. get rid of supporting the arts. I'm sure that's going to solve
our economic problems, but heck, don't touch big oil or farm
subsidies, and for GOD SAKE don't penalize companies who ship jobs
overseas!
There's a big difference between SS and SSI. Read about it. You probably
qualify for SSI benefits.


Reply:
Where is it in the constitution that it is the place of the Federal
Government to finance the arts? Let the local governments who can ask
the local taxpayers if they want to support the arts. Oil gets a
depreciation allowance. Just like somebody who rents buildings. Pump oil
out of the ground and the oil field is worth less. Same with buildings,
they depreciate over the years. Takes lots to restore them after 20
years, or maybe tear down and rebuild. I already said kill the farm
subsidies. How about removing the home buyer subsidy. Mortgage interest
deduction. Canada seems to have homeowners and they do not allow
mortgage deduction. You going to remove the depreciation deduction on
buildings and equipment? Everything should be on the table. Jobs are
moving overseas for a couple reasons. EPA is one. Excess regulations.
Want to build a new refinery? Something like 100 different agencies have
to approve and some have conflicting regs. Plus we have raised the wages
way more than those other countries. We used to pay probably 3x the
other countries wages. Now it is probably 10x or more.

Probably more than 10 times. In most of the world outside of the US a
personal servant isn't any more than $5K a year. Michelle Obama has
over 50 with salaries into th 6 digits all funded by debt to the taxpayer.

Canada does not have mortgage tax deductibility. We get screwed good
here. But a blessing in disguise as many people own their home outright
like me. And equity positions are generally higher, so if the market
goes for a tiff, we can just wait it out giving the bottom pricing a lot
more stability.

US should probably phase out mortgage deductibility, it does lend more
stability to the markets and encourages people to pay the mortgage off.

Kind of amazed at how fast your wealth grows when you have no mortgage
at all and continue to pay the investment account the equivalent of a
mortgage payment. Sort of like paying yourself to live in your own home.

US business tax rates are amongst the highest in the world, many big
corps are quite literally moving outside of the USA to avoid
hyper-taxation threats from the greedy. Just the greed cutting the revenue.

2006 democrat congress ****ed the government revenue stream with the
greed for low debt interest rates. By setting them to zero, having
money has no taxable return.

Cases in point, well off retired with $4M in the bank at 5% would have a
taxable income of $200K and pay plent of taxes. At 0% interest rate
they pay nothing in taxes.

Big corp says hey, why make 9% (dividends plus earnings) in a 5%
interest rate environment, that now the interest rate is 0% that a 3%
earnings is plenty, yielding 1/3rd as much taxes.

Further, be it corps or investors, they spend less as less revenue is
realized. This trickles down to other people in fewer jobs needed,
fewer taxes paid.

This is why taxes paid in 2006 to today have gone down to 2/3rds in real
dollars as no income no taxes, low interest rates stalled the economy
for debtors greed. Basically government ****ed itself in the ear.

To add to it, government expanded spending, running up debt. Worse yet,
they created inflationary moneys as no one would lend to DC for 1% in
their debtors fraud. So they created inflation causing the demand for
goods to decrease resulting in yet more job losses and less taxes.

Basically government should have raised interest rates, and not doing so
****ed themselves and you good.

And the madness continues. And it will until it fails. Fact is,
interest rates should be 7 to 10% to stem and stall new debt.
--
What government fears the most is that the people correctly learn that
they need government less than the government needs them.
Say no more debt, no more debt-slave taxes. Economic freedom matters too!