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On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 09:53:00 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 19/07/2011 12:27 AM, wrote:

What a bunch of nonsense. Feel free to blame the poor for your
problems.

In part, you bet the poor are part of the problem.

Stop voting for Obama greed appeal. When poor vote with their greed and
envy, they get sucked into a debt whore like Obama, then Obama blows it
on waste causing them to suffer. But being poor also in wisdom, they
vote for the fool that wasted their futures.

Obama doesn't give a cold dead rats ass about anybody, just his greed
for power. Don't mistake his using your envy/greed against you for a
vote for caring. If he cared, the budget balancing would have occurred
2 1/2 years ago and could have been small enough with less debt that SSI
could be spared. But add $4++ trillion of corruption spend, now the
cuts have to go deeper.

Stupid poor voters cut their own throats with their envy and greed.
"Obama will pay for may gas and mortgage..." Ya right. Just the
stupid, greedy, envious poor with a vote voting stupid.

Good grief. You're the one who needs to do a little research. SSI is
not just about retirement money. There are lots of reasons why SSI is
totally appropriate. Of course, since you're getting yours and nobody
is talking about taking yours away, you have no problem taking other
people's away. What a hypocrite.

Sure.. get rid of supporting the arts. I'm sure that's going to solve
our economic problems, but heck, don't touch big oil or farm
subsidies, and for GOD SAKE don't penalize companies who ship jobs
overseas!

If the arts are worth saving, it would be because they are profitable
and attract paying customers.

Subsidies should all be cut permanently. So let me appeal to your greed
here. Why should you do without because food is subsidized for export
to other countries?

Subsidies is just a form of evil corruption. It starts off meaning well
but always ends up being a waste.

Actually, your SSI is being taken away. Te whole idea of Bernanke fraud
is to create inflation faster than government raises SSI benefits. Say
I create 100% inflation but don't raise your SSI...then I have
effectively in value terms reduced my SSI obligation in 1/2 the value.

Yep, but you like Obama/Bernanke and other fraudsters and suck in their
bull**** like a vacuum. Yep, screwed by the very people you worship.

Makes you pathetic that you can't see it.

You're a racist little pig.

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On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 09:39:33 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 18/07/2011 10:57 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Canuck57" wrote in message ...

On 17/07/2011 6:06 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 12:46:52 -0600,
wrote:

On 17/07/2011 11:44 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 11:31:03 -0600,
wrote:

On 16/07/2011 6:00 PM, Q JINN wrote:
AARP

https://action.aarp.org/site/Advocac...Action&id=1293


Tell Congress: No Unfair Cuts to Medicare and Social Security

Right now, Congress is considering deals to pay the nation's bills
that
would include dramatic cuts to Medicare and put the health of
millions
of older Americans at risk.

We can't allow Congress to balance the budget on the backs of
America's
seniors

Send a message to your members of Congress

I do have a problem cutting social security. It soud be the last one
chopped. While people had the misguided idea government would
manage it
well, it is an obligation that was paid for. Cut welfare first, as
welfare didn't pay squat into it. Plus the payroll tax is there for
social security.

Welfare is already bare-bones. It's the final safety net for a
society. Clinton scaled it back quite dramatically, but you don't care
about facts. You just want to hurt the poor.


But the say fact is that decades of fiscal mismanagement of SS has
left
it crippled. Government borrows and wastes the moneys, pays well
below
inflation diluting the value of it every year. Like a parasite
sucking
slowly and surely.

There's little fiscal mismanagement in SS. As usual, you're devoid of
actual facts.

Medicare and medicaid, why not merge the two and lower the service
levels, make it more efficient and less costly? Sorry, not
everyone can
go out costing $3 million for heart, lung, kidneys...there has to be
rationed limits.

You moron. Medicaid is a STATE run program. Medicare is FEDERAL. GET A
CLUE!

The big hack should be military, general administration and over all
efficiencies. Michelle for example, 50+ staff? You're kidding right?

No argument about the military, but the right-wing won't do that. And,
you're a racist little pig.

A good law to slide into government might be no raises for any civil
servant until the budget is 100% balanced for one budget cycle. A
little motivation to get the lead out.

That's a noise-level "solution."

If unions, governemnt or people sanely cared about pensions, pensions
would be in your name, in your account and in your control, and if
some
central authority want big pools of money, they would have to
borrow it
from you at defined terms acceptable to you. No more skimming and
bamboozling. Social security, employee and employers part, company
pension, all go into the IRA/401K. Current pension plans are total
bullship, except for government elite with the gold plated indexed
plans. Sort of an eglitarian aristoracy to be government these days.
They should get and use the same benefits as they provide.

But big fat government is about milking and managing the herd for the
egalitarianism in our societies. Taxation and government has
turned out
to be modern day slavery.

As usual, you're totally ignorant.

Ya well why have 8 different departments doing the same damn thing as
Medicare and Medicaid? Government has to stop treating inefficiency as
a goal.

So, forget states rights then? You're really a dummy.


You're the racist, Polly want a cracker? Or does Polly want a cracker
to pay for it?

I like the idea of tying civil servant pay check to performance goals in
a non-subjective way. Lazy idealist fantastic dreamers in government
need a stark wakeup call.

Huh? Which civil servants?

By the way, I once worked for US government sponsored organization once.
What a CF, the idiots found the most inefficient ways to do the most
simplistic of things in the most complex and stupidest ways possible.

You're a known liar and a fool. Nobody would hire you for any gov't
position.

Every department, every job needs a review in government that asks the
questions:

1) How does this benefit all Americans? (cut the racism hidden in
special programs, it should not mater if you are bown, white, black,
yellow, red or purple, it is "We the People...".

2) Is it cost effective and lean?

3) Is it really needed? Or just subsiding dysfunctional behavior?

Yet, the Republicans typically block reform. They just want to kill
everything.

And, whatever "fat" that's left wouldn't amount to much money in the
scheme of things. But, that doesn't matter to a racist little pig like
you.

Funny, your broke. As in debt welshing LOSER.

I got a kick out of Timothy Geithner today going after the Euro default
situation, man sure is a real hypocritical stupendous idiot.

All a default means is that it is now pay as you go. Nothing more or less.
--
What government fears the most is that the people correctly learn that
they need government less than the government needs them.
Say no more debt, no more debt-slave taxes. Economic freedom matters too!


Reply:
Social Security and Medicare need to be on the table also! We can not
afford to give out money we do not have. How about change the law, so
the SS and Medicare money does not go to the general fund. Any surplus
goes to paying down the debt. No hiding overspending by stealing the SS
money. Plus some means testing, and copay for doctor visits. All my
medical plans for the last 30+ years had a copay. Medicare and United
Health supplemental, go to the doctor any time you want. No cost. Want
your blood pressure checked 3 times a week. Just go to the doctor or
hospital. If you are really poor, not just what we call poor here in
the states, then you get a credit at tax time. Poor here, seem to have
cars, TV, game station of some sort and cable. And are overweight.
Don’t believe it, then do a little research. Immigrants get SSI, and
the minimum is more than the minimum Social Security. Why do they get
SSI? There sponsor, promises to provide for them. My sister in law is
from England. She brought her parents over shortly after he retired as
an English Crown Corporation employee. Well he worked for the
government. First thing they do is sign up for SSI. I thought it was
wrong in 1969 and still think it is wrong now. Cut all NEA money.
constitution does not call for the Federal Government to provide public
artwork. Is a nice thing, but we are cutting services to handicapped,
while still endowing the arts. As well as not cutting pay or number of
employees of the government Actually we are cutting services while
adding large number of employees. Why are you avoiding pain while
heaping on debt for our grandchildren to pay for your excesses?

Unfortunately you are right, no program anywhere should be spared.

The easiest most fair way to solve Social Security screwing going
forward is to phase it out and replace it with mandated savings but in
your name, in your account and in your control -- failing that it is
real a tax on income.

I think they partially closed the SS loophole you mention, you need 40
points, can earn up to 4 per year depending if you pay enough taxes. I
have 40. But still there in that someone can move from say India or
Afghanistan, work 10 years and fully collect.

Because the pool of money is skimmed and abused. Governemtn borrows it
for 1% return in a 4% inflation environment and it looses 3% vlue every
year!!! Then they also use it to subsidize those that don't pay enough
for the benefits they get.

Hey, I am not anti-socialist, if a vet or truly disabled person needs it
fine. But many are no-pay collectors.

Basically, like everything else government Social Security has been
mismanaged. I suspect similarily medicare/medicaid too is like this.

But for every $1 cut in these programs, I would want to see $3 from
administration and $5 from the military. And pay freezes for all of
government until the budget was balanced.

Good part is intelligent people will see SSI people get screwed will
eventually question why they pay the employment taxes. These employment
taxes plus wages have grown over the years, but wages remain stagnant
because of the employment tax creep. People don't see what isn't in
their faces.

Agree with co-pay. Needs to be a small charge even i they are poor. If
you can't come up with $10 or $25, you have your priorities all wrong.

Stuff like foreign aid corruption, bailouts, handouts for nothing
programs all should be just scrapped including the civil servants that
run them. That part of government is a waste.

No need to duplicate medicare/medicaid, merge them either to the state
or to the fed, but the duplication is insane. Also, the federal civil
servants get that service as they get to eat their own dog food. Yep,
cut their plans for the government plan. No egalitarianism.

Some 500 departments and programs of low or no value have been
identified, they should just be eliminated. Simplify, reduce costs and
stop the bleeding here. 90% of these are targeted pork barrel programs
anyways, it should be "We the People..." or not at all.

It would not be tough provided the president actually managed the
government and not let the government manage him.

Worst sins of a civil employee are downsize and efficiency. Time it was
fixed.

Wow.. two more fools agreeing with each other. Call CNN!

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On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 09:10:33 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 17/07/2011 6:07 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 15:20:42 -0600,
wrote:

On 17/07/2011 2:03 PM, TopBassDog wrote:
On Jul 17, 12:45 pm, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 11:36:24 -0600,
wrote:









On 16/07/2011 6:25 PM, Liburn wrote:
On 7/16/2011 8:00 PM, Q JINN wrote:
AARP

https://action.aarp.org/site/Advocac...UserAction&id=...

Tell Congress: No Unfair Cuts to Medicare and Social Security

Right now, Congress is considering deals to pay the nation's bills that
would include dramatic cuts to Medicare and put the health of millions
of older Americans at risk.

We can't allow Congress to balance the budget on the backs of America's
seniors

Send a message to your members of Congress

there is no options for most Americans aside from Medicare.
Obama Care as it has been labeled is a giant tax increase not better or
more health care. It is fact a cut in health care.

That is how i worked in Canada. Get the taxes and dumb down the service
levels for government profit. And they can hold it over you like a
hammer if your are a dependent. Most people are too greedy to see this.

Cutting Medicare means most Americans, coming into the system later on
will have a choice of selling what they have and depending on Medicaid
or whatever catchall fail safe of Obama Care.
The proposals are truly through Grand Ma under the train.
I thought such language was just inflammatory barbs thrown at those
seeking to cut Medicare until looking at it.

Have no choice, pay government (low) efficiency rates or do it yourself.
Trouble is then should a lazy fat sit on your ass never worked a day
in their life get the same service as someone who has contributed for
40+ years?

Really boils down to who gets screwed, shifting lower quality services
to those that pay for benefits to those that don't pay anything, even
dope dealers and habitual users not fit to work. Now if the government
differentiates, oh that is a slipperly slope for sure.

Two idiots agree! Call CNN.

Which two? You and CNN?

CNN sure is a fleabag of a media station. Definitely a liberal media
propaganda machine.

You and the other moron. Yeah, Knuckles watches Fox. He's got the hots
for Greta.

When we lived here, I liked fox much better than CNN. Don't get the old
Fox in Canada any more. Government here censors homes reporting, that
is why they own and control a national media source. Ways of keeping
the sheep brainwashed with ra-ra government propaganda.

You are unable to afford cable? How about radio. I'm sure you can get
your Rush fix if you try.

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"Florida Jim" wrote in message
eb.com...

On 7/19/2011 2:27 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:57:21 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message ...

On 17/07/2011 6:06 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 12:46:52 -0600,
wrote:

On 17/07/2011 11:44 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 11:31:03 -0600,
wrote:

On 16/07/2011 6:00 PM, Q JINN wrote:
AARP

https://action.aarp.org/site/Advocac...Action&id=1293

Tell Congress: No Unfair Cuts to Medicare and Social Security

Right now, Congress is considering deals to pay the nation's bills
that
would include dramatic cuts to Medicare and put the health of
millions
of older Americans at risk.

We can't allow Congress to balance the budget on the backs of
America's
seniors

Send a message to your members of Congress
I do have a problem cutting social security. It soud be the last one
chopped. While people had the misguided idea government would manage
it
well, it is an obligation that was paid for. Cut welfare first, as
welfare didn't pay squat into it. Plus the payroll tax is there for
social security.
Welfare is already bare-bones. It's the final safety net for a
society. Clinton scaled it back quite dramatically, but you don't care
about facts. You just want to hurt the poor.

But the say fact is that decades of fiscal mismanagement of SS has
left
it crippled. Government borrows and wastes the moneys, pays well
below
inflation diluting the value of it every year. Like a parasite
sucking
slowly and surely.
There's little fiscal mismanagement in SS. As usual, you're devoid of
actual facts.

Medicare and medicaid, why not merge the two and lower the service
levels, make it more efficient and less costly? Sorry, not everyone
can
go out costing $3 million for heart, lung, kidneys...there has to be
rationed limits.
You moron. Medicaid is a STATE run program. Medicare is FEDERAL. GET A
CLUE!

The big hack should be military, general administration and over all
efficiencies. Michelle for example, 50+ staff? You're kidding
right?
No argument about the military, but the right-wing won't do that. And,
you're a racist little pig.

A good law to slide into government might be no raises for any civil
servant until the budget is 100% balanced for one budget cycle. A
little motivation to get the lead out.
That's a noise-level "solution."

If unions, governemnt or people sanely cared about pensions, pensions
would be in your name, in your account and in your control, and if
some
central authority want big pools of money, they would have to borrow
it
from you at defined terms acceptable to you. No more skimming and
bamboozling. Social security, employee and employers part, company
pension, all go into the IRA/401K. Current pension plans are total
bullship, except for government elite with the gold plated indexed
plans. Sort of an eglitarian aristoracy to be government these days.
They should get and use the same benefits as they provide.

But big fat government is about milking and managing the herd for the
egalitarianism in our societies. Taxation and government has turned
out
to be modern day slavery.
As usual, you're totally ignorant.
Ya well why have 8 different departments doing the same damn thing as
Medicare and Medicaid? Government has to stop treating inefficiency as
a goal.
So, forget states rights then? You're really a dummy.

You're the racist, Polly want a cracker? Or does Polly want a cracker
to pay for it?

I like the idea of tying civil servant pay check to performance goals
in
a non-subjective way. Lazy idealist fantastic dreamers in government
need a stark wakeup call.
Huh? Which civil servants?

By the way, I once worked for US government sponsored organization
once.
What a CF, the idiots found the most inefficient ways to do the most
simplistic of things in the most complex and stupidest ways possible.
You're a known liar and a fool. Nobody would hire you for any gov't
position.

Every department, every job needs a review in government that asks the
questions:

1) How does this benefit all Americans? (cut the racism hidden in
special programs, it should not mater if you are bown, white, black,
yellow, red or purple, it is "We the People...".

2) Is it cost effective and lean?

3) Is it really needed? Or just subsiding dysfunctional behavior?
Yet, the Republicans typically block reform. They just want to kill
everything.

And, whatever "fat" that's left wouldn't amount to much money in the
scheme of things. But, that doesn't matter to a racist little pig like
you.
Funny, your broke. As in debt welshing LOSER.

I got a kick out of Timothy Geithner today going after the Euro default
situation, man sure is a real hypocritical stupendous idiot.

All a default means is that it is now pay as you go. Nothing more or
less.
Reply:
Social Security and Medicare need to be on the table also! We can not
afford to give out money we do not have. How about change the law, so
the
SS and Medicare money does not go to the general fund. Any surplus goes
to
paying down the debt. No hiding overspending by stealing the SS money.
Firstly, there's already a means test for SSI. The big ticket item for
Medicare is reducing fraud, but the Republicans don't want to fund it.
They just want to talk about it.

Plus some means testing, and copay for doctor visits. All my medical
plans
for the last 30+ years had a copay. Medicare and United Health
supplemental, go to the doctor any time you want. No cost. Want your
blood
pressure checked 3 times a week. Just go to the doctor or hospital. If
you
are really poor, not just what we call poor here in the states, then you
get
a credit at tax time. Poor here, seem to have cars, TV, game station of
some sort and cable. And are overweight.
What a bunch of nonsense. Feel free to blame the poor for your
problems.

Don’t believe it, then do a
little research. Immigrants get SSI, and the minimum is more than the
minimum Social Security. Why do they get SSI? There sponsor, promises
to
provide for them. My sister in law is from England. She brought her
parents over shortly after he retired as an English Crown Corporation
employee. Well he worked for the government. First thing they do is
sign
up for SSI. I thought it was wrong in 1969 and still think it is wrong
now.
Cut all NEA money. constitution does not call for the Federal Government
to
provide public artwork. Is a nice thing, but we are cutting services to
handicapped, while still endowing the arts. As well as not cutting pay
or
number of employees of the government Actually we are cutting services
while adding large number of employees. Why are you avoiding pain while
heaping on debt for our grandchildren to pay for your excesses?
Good grief. You're the one who needs to do a little research. SSI is
not just about retirement money. There are lots of reasons why SSI is
totally appropriate. Of course, since you're getting yours and nobody
is talking about taking yours away, you have no problem taking other
people's away. What a hypocrite.

Sure.. get rid of supporting the arts. I'm sure that's going to solve
our economic problems, but heck, don't touch big oil or farm
subsidies, and for GOD SAKE don't penalize companies who ship jobs
overseas!
There's a big difference between SS and SSI. Read about it. You probably
qualify for SSI benefits.


Reply:
Where is it in the constitution that it is the place of the Federal
Government to finance the arts? Let the local governments who can ask the
local taxpayers if they want to support the arts. Oil gets a depreciation
allowance. Just like somebody who rents buildings. Pump oil out of the
ground and the oil field is worth less. Same with buildings, they
depreciate over the years. Takes lots to restore them after 20 years, or
maybe tear down and rebuild. I already said kill the farm subsidies. How
about removing the home buyer subsidy. Mortgage interest deduction. Canada
seems to have homeowners and they do not allow mortgage deduction. You
going to remove the depreciation deduction on buildings and equipment?
Everything should be on the table. Jobs are moving overseas for a couple
reasons. EPA is one. Excess regulations. Want to build a new refinery?
Something like 100 different agencies have to approve and some have
conflicting regs. Plus we have raised the wages way more than those other
countries. We used to pay probably 3x the other countries wages. Now it is
probably 10x or more.

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"Canuck57" wrote in message ...

On 19/07/2011 12:27 AM, wrote:

What a bunch of nonsense. Feel free to blame the poor for your
problems.

In part, you bet the poor are part of the problem.

Stop voting for Obama greed appeal. When poor vote with their greed and
envy, they get sucked into a debt whore like Obama, then Obama blows it
on waste causing them to suffer. But being poor also in wisdom, they
vote for the fool that wasted their futures.

Obama doesn't give a cold dead rats ass about anybody, just his greed
for power. Don't mistake his using your envy/greed against you for a
vote for caring. If he cared, the budget balancing would have occurred
2 1/2 years ago and could have been small enough with less debt that SSI
could be spared. But add $4++ trillion of corruption spend, now the
cuts have to go deeper.

Stupid poor voters cut their own throats with their envy and greed.
"Obama will pay for may gas and mortgage..." Ya right. Just the
stupid, greedy, envious poor with a vote voting stupid.

Good grief. You're the one who needs to do a little research. SSI is
not just about retirement money. There are lots of reasons why SSI is
totally appropriate. Of course, since you're getting yours and nobody
is talking about taking yours away, you have no problem taking other
people's away. What a hypocrite.

Sure.. get rid of supporting the arts. I'm sure that's going to solve
our economic problems, but heck, don't touch big oil or farm
subsidies, and for GOD SAKE don't penalize companies who ship jobs
overseas!

If the arts are worth saving, it would be because they are profitable
and attract paying customers.

Subsidies should all be cut permanently. So let me appeal to your greed
here. Why should you do without because food is subsidized for export
to other countries?

Subsidies is just a form of evil corruption. It starts off meaning well
but always ends up being a waste.

Actually, your SSI is being taken away. Te whole idea of Bernanke fraud
is to create inflation faster than government raises SSI benefits. Say
I create 100% inflation but don't raise your SSI...then I have
effectively in value terms reduced my SSI obligation in 1/2 the value.

Yep, but you like Obama/Bernanke and other fraudsters and suck in their
bull**** like a vacuum. Yep, screwed by the very people you worship.

Makes you pathetic that you can't see it.
--
What government fears the most is that the people correctly learn that
they need government less than the government needs them.
Say no more debt, no more debt-slave taxes. Economic freedom matters too!


Reply:
Was originally for those who were exempt from Social Security taxes.
Farmers mainly, not new immigrants, who are supposed to be sponsored and
that means financially.

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On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 18:42:28 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"Florida Jim" wrote in message
web.com...

On 7/19/2011 2:27 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:57:21 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message ...

On 17/07/2011 6:06 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 12:46:52 -0600,
wrote:

On 17/07/2011 11:44 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 11:31:03 -0600,
wrote:

On 16/07/2011 6:00 PM, Q JINN wrote:
AARP

https://action.aarp.org/site/Advocac...Action&id=1293

Tell Congress: No Unfair Cuts to Medicare and Social Security

Right now, Congress is considering deals to pay the nation's bills
that
would include dramatic cuts to Medicare and put the health of
millions
of older Americans at risk.

We can't allow Congress to balance the budget on the backs of
America's
seniors

Send a message to your members of Congress
I do have a problem cutting social security. It soud be the last one
chopped. While people had the misguided idea government would manage
it
well, it is an obligation that was paid for. Cut welfare first, as
welfare didn't pay squat into it. Plus the payroll tax is there for
social security.
Welfare is already bare-bones. It's the final safety net for a
society. Clinton scaled it back quite dramatically, but you don't care
about facts. You just want to hurt the poor.

But the say fact is that decades of fiscal mismanagement of SS has
left
it crippled. Government borrows and wastes the moneys, pays well
below
inflation diluting the value of it every year. Like a parasite
sucking
slowly and surely.
There's little fiscal mismanagement in SS. As usual, you're devoid of
actual facts.

Medicare and medicaid, why not merge the two and lower the service
levels, make it more efficient and less costly? Sorry, not everyone
can
go out costing $3 million for heart, lung, kidneys...there has to be
rationed limits.
You moron. Medicaid is a STATE run program. Medicare is FEDERAL. GET A
CLUE!

The big hack should be military, general administration and over all
efficiencies. Michelle for example, 50+ staff? You're kidding
right?
No argument about the military, but the right-wing won't do that. And,
you're a racist little pig.

A good law to slide into government might be no raises for any civil
servant until the budget is 100% balanced for one budget cycle. A
little motivation to get the lead out.
That's a noise-level "solution."

If unions, governemnt or people sanely cared about pensions, pensions
would be in your name, in your account and in your control, and if
some
central authority want big pools of money, they would have to borrow
it
from you at defined terms acceptable to you. No more skimming and
bamboozling. Social security, employee and employers part, company
pension, all go into the IRA/401K. Current pension plans are total
bullship, except for government elite with the gold plated indexed
plans. Sort of an eglitarian aristoracy to be government these days.
They should get and use the same benefits as they provide.

But big fat government is about milking and managing the herd for the
egalitarianism in our societies. Taxation and government has turned
out
to be modern day slavery.
As usual, you're totally ignorant.
Ya well why have 8 different departments doing the same damn thing as
Medicare and Medicaid? Government has to stop treating inefficiency as
a goal.
So, forget states rights then? You're really a dummy.

You're the racist, Polly want a cracker? Or does Polly want a cracker
to pay for it?

I like the idea of tying civil servant pay check to performance goals
in
a non-subjective way. Lazy idealist fantastic dreamers in government
need a stark wakeup call.
Huh? Which civil servants?

By the way, I once worked for US government sponsored organization
once.
What a CF, the idiots found the most inefficient ways to do the most
simplistic of things in the most complex and stupidest ways possible.
You're a known liar and a fool. Nobody would hire you for any gov't
position.

Every department, every job needs a review in government that asks the
questions:

1) How does this benefit all Americans? (cut the racism hidden in
special programs, it should not mater if you are bown, white, black,
yellow, red or purple, it is "We the People...".

2) Is it cost effective and lean?

3) Is it really needed? Or just subsiding dysfunctional behavior?
Yet, the Republicans typically block reform. They just want to kill
everything.

And, whatever "fat" that's left wouldn't amount to much money in the
scheme of things. But, that doesn't matter to a racist little pig like
you.
Funny, your broke. As in debt welshing LOSER.

I got a kick out of Timothy Geithner today going after the Euro default
situation, man sure is a real hypocritical stupendous idiot.

All a default means is that it is now pay as you go. Nothing more or
less.
Reply:
Social Security and Medicare need to be on the table also! We can not
afford to give out money we do not have. How about change the law, so
the
SS and Medicare money does not go to the general fund. Any surplus goes
to
paying down the debt. No hiding overspending by stealing the SS money.
Firstly, there's already a means test for SSI. The big ticket item for
Medicare is reducing fraud, but the Republicans don't want to fund it.
They just want to talk about it.

Plus some means testing, and copay for doctor visits. All my medical
plans
for the last 30+ years had a copay. Medicare and United Health
supplemental, go to the doctor any time you want. No cost. Want your
blood
pressure checked 3 times a week. Just go to the doctor or hospital. If
you
are really poor, not just what we call poor here in the states, then you
get
a credit at tax time. Poor here, seem to have cars, TV, game station of
some sort and cable. And are overweight.
What a bunch of nonsense. Feel free to blame the poor for your
problems.

Don’t believe it, then do a
little research. Immigrants get SSI, and the minimum is more than the
minimum Social Security. Why do they get SSI? There sponsor, promises
to
provide for them. My sister in law is from England. She brought her
parents over shortly after he retired as an English Crown Corporation
employee. Well he worked for the government. First thing they do is
sign
up for SSI. I thought it was wrong in 1969 and still think it is wrong
now.
Cut all NEA money. constitution does not call for the Federal Government
to
provide public artwork. Is a nice thing, but we are cutting services to
handicapped, while still endowing the arts. As well as not cutting pay
or
number of employees of the government Actually we are cutting services
while adding large number of employees. Why are you avoiding pain while
heaping on debt for our grandchildren to pay for your excesses?
Good grief. You're the one who needs to do a little research. SSI is
not just about retirement money. There are lots of reasons why SSI is
totally appropriate. Of course, since you're getting yours and nobody
is talking about taking yours away, you have no problem taking other
people's away. What a hypocrite.

Sure.. get rid of supporting the arts. I'm sure that's going to solve
our economic problems, but heck, don't touch big oil or farm
subsidies, and for GOD SAKE don't penalize companies who ship jobs
overseas!
There's a big difference between SS and SSI. Read about it. You probably
qualify for SSI benefits.


Reply:
Where is it in the constitution that it is the place of the Federal
Government to finance the arts? Let the local governments who can ask the
local taxpayers if they want to support the arts. Oil gets a depreciation
allowance. Just like somebody who rents buildings. Pump oil out of the
ground and the oil field is worth less. Same with buildings, they
depreciate over the years. Takes lots to restore them after 20 years, or
maybe tear down and rebuild. I already said kill the farm subsidies. How
about removing the home buyer subsidy. Mortgage interest deduction. Canada
seems to have homeowners and they do not allow mortgage deduction. You
going to remove the depreciation deduction on buildings and equipment?
Everything should be on the table. Jobs are moving overseas for a couple
reasons. EPA is one. Excess regulations. Want to build a new refinery?
Something like 100 different agencies have to approve and some have
conflicting regs. Plus we have raised the wages way more than those other
countries. We used to pay probably 3x the other countries wages. Now it is
probably 10x or more.

Where is it in the constitution that talks about "free market"
capitalism? Of course, you don't give a crap about culture.

Feel free to defend Big Oil and Big Agri subsidies vs. human rights
and dignity.

I'm fine with removing many deductions, such as the mortgage one.
However, I'm not in favor of removing them NOW for middle-income
people. I am in favor of removing them now for the rich.

Yes, we know you don't give a damn about the environment. Ever hear of
the Cheney Exemption? Look it up.

Raised wages??? Most people's wages have been stagnant for 10+ years.

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On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 18:47:26 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message ...

On 19/07/2011 12:27 AM, wrote:

What a bunch of nonsense. Feel free to blame the poor for your
problems.

In part, you bet the poor are part of the problem.

Stop voting for Obama greed appeal. When poor vote with their greed and
envy, they get sucked into a debt whore like Obama, then Obama blows it
on waste causing them to suffer. But being poor also in wisdom, they
vote for the fool that wasted their futures.

Obama doesn't give a cold dead rats ass about anybody, just his greed
for power. Don't mistake his using your envy/greed against you for a
vote for caring. If he cared, the budget balancing would have occurred
2 1/2 years ago and could have been small enough with less debt that SSI
could be spared. But add $4++ trillion of corruption spend, now the
cuts have to go deeper.

Stupid poor voters cut their own throats with their envy and greed.
"Obama will pay for may gas and mortgage..." Ya right. Just the
stupid, greedy, envious poor with a vote voting stupid.

Good grief. You're the one who needs to do a little research. SSI is
not just about retirement money. There are lots of reasons why SSI is
totally appropriate. Of course, since you're getting yours and nobody
is talking about taking yours away, you have no problem taking other
people's away. What a hypocrite.

Sure.. get rid of supporting the arts. I'm sure that's going to solve
our economic problems, but heck, don't touch big oil or farm
subsidies, and for GOD SAKE don't penalize companies who ship jobs
overseas!

If the arts are worth saving, it would be because they are profitable
and attract paying customers.

Subsidies should all be cut permanently. So let me appeal to your greed
here. Why should you do without because food is subsidized for export
to other countries?

Subsidies is just a form of evil corruption. It starts off meaning well
but always ends up being a waste.

Actually, your SSI is being taken away. Te whole idea of Bernanke fraud
is to create inflation faster than government raises SSI benefits. Say
I create 100% inflation but don't raise your SSI...then I have
effectively in value terms reduced my SSI obligation in 1/2 the value.

Yep, but you like Obama/Bernanke and other fraudsters and suck in their
bull**** like a vacuum. Yep, screwed by the very people you worship.

Makes you pathetic that you can't see it.
Reply:
Was originally for those who were exempt from Social Security taxes.
Farmers mainly, not new immigrants, who are supposed to be sponsored and
that means financially.

Are you mentally incapable of learning how to post properly? Good
grief!

Most "farmers" these days have huge holdings. Feel free to blame
immigrants. I suppose your ancestors were Native American. I doubt it.

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On 19/07/2011 7:42 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Florida Jim" wrote in message
eb.com...

On 7/19/2011 2:27 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:57:21 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message ...

On 17/07/2011 6:06 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 12:46:52 -0600,
wrote:

On 17/07/2011 11:44 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 11:31:03 -0600,
wrote:

On 16/07/2011 6:00 PM, Q JINN wrote:
AARP

https://action.aarp.org/site/Advocac...Action&id=1293


Tell Congress: No Unfair Cuts to Medicare and Social Security

Right now, Congress is considering deals to pay the nation's bills
that
would include dramatic cuts to Medicare and put the health of
millions
of older Americans at risk.

We can't allow Congress to balance the budget on the backs of
America's
seniors

Send a message to your members of Congress
I do have a problem cutting social security. It soud be the last one
chopped. While people had the misguided idea government would manage
it
well, it is an obligation that was paid for. Cut welfare first, as
welfare didn't pay squat into it. Plus the payroll tax is there for
social security.
Welfare is already bare-bones. It's the final safety net for a
society. Clinton scaled it back quite dramatically, but you don't
care
about facts. You just want to hurt the poor.

But the say fact is that decades of fiscal mismanagement of SS
has left
it crippled. Government borrows and wastes the moneys, pays well
below
inflation diluting the value of it every year. Like a parasite
sucking
slowly and surely.
There's little fiscal mismanagement in SS. As usual, you're devoid of
actual facts.

Medicare and medicaid, why not merge the two and lower the service
levels, make it more efficient and less costly? Sorry, not everyone
can
go out costing $3 million for heart, lung, kidneys...there has to be
rationed limits.
You moron. Medicaid is a STATE run program. Medicare is FEDERAL.
GET A
CLUE!

The big hack should be military, general administration and over all
efficiencies. Michelle for example, 50+ staff? You're kidding right?
No argument about the military, but the right-wing won't do that.
And,
you're a racist little pig.

A good law to slide into government might be no raises for any civil
servant until the budget is 100% balanced for one budget cycle. A
little motivation to get the lead out.
That's a noise-level "solution."

If unions, governemnt or people sanely cared about pensions,
pensions
would be in your name, in your account and in your control, and
if some
central authority want big pools of money, they would have to
borrow it
from you at defined terms acceptable to you. No more skimming and
bamboozling. Social security, employee and employers part, company
pension, all go into the IRA/401K. Current pension plans are total
bullship, except for government elite with the gold plated indexed
plans. Sort of an eglitarian aristoracy to be government these days.
They should get and use the same benefits as they provide.

But big fat government is about milking and managing the herd for
the
egalitarianism in our societies. Taxation and government has turned
out
to be modern day slavery.
As usual, you're totally ignorant.
Ya well why have 8 different departments doing the same damn thing as
Medicare and Medicaid? Government has to stop treating inefficiency as
a goal.
So, forget states rights then? You're really a dummy.

You're the racist, Polly want a cracker? Or does Polly want a cracker
to pay for it?

I like the idea of tying civil servant pay check to performance
goals in
a non-subjective way. Lazy idealist fantastic dreamers in government
need a stark wakeup call.
Huh? Which civil servants?

By the way, I once worked for US government sponsored organization
once.
What a CF, the idiots found the most inefficient ways to do the most
simplistic of things in the most complex and stupidest ways possible.
You're a known liar and a fool. Nobody would hire you for any gov't
position.

Every department, every job needs a review in government that asks the
questions:

1) How does this benefit all Americans? (cut the racism hidden in
special programs, it should not mater if you are bown, white, black,
yellow, red or purple, it is "We the People...".

2) Is it cost effective and lean?

3) Is it really needed? Or just subsiding dysfunctional behavior?
Yet, the Republicans typically block reform. They just want to kill
everything.

And, whatever "fat" that's left wouldn't amount to much money in the
scheme of things. But, that doesn't matter to a racist little pig like
you.
Funny, your broke. As in debt welshing LOSER.

I got a kick out of Timothy Geithner today going after the Euro default
situation, man sure is a real hypocritical stupendous idiot.

All a default means is that it is now pay as you go. Nothing more or
less.
Reply:
Social Security and Medicare need to be on the table also! We can not
afford to give out money we do not have. How about change the law, so
the
SS and Medicare money does not go to the general fund. Any surplus
goes to
paying down the debt. No hiding overspending by stealing the SS money.
Firstly, there's already a means test for SSI. The big ticket item for
Medicare is reducing fraud, but the Republicans don't want to fund it.
They just want to talk about it.

Plus some means testing, and copay for doctor visits. All my medical
plans
for the last 30+ years had a copay. Medicare and United Health
supplemental, go to the doctor any time you want. No cost. Want your
blood
pressure checked 3 times a week. Just go to the doctor or hospital.
If you
are really poor, not just what we call poor here in the states, then
you get
a credit at tax time. Poor here, seem to have cars, TV, game station of
some sort and cable. And are overweight.
What a bunch of nonsense. Feel free to blame the poor for your
problems.

Don’t believe it, then do a
little research. Immigrants get SSI, and the minimum is more than the
minimum Social Security. Why do they get SSI? There sponsor, promises to
provide for them. My sister in law is from England. She brought her
parents over shortly after he retired as an English Crown Corporation
employee. Well he worked for the government. First thing they do is sign
up for SSI. I thought it was wrong in 1969 and still think it is
wrong now.
Cut all NEA money. constitution does not call for the Federal
Government to
provide public artwork. Is a nice thing, but we are cutting services to
handicapped, while still endowing the arts. As well as not cutting
pay or
number of employees of the government Actually we are cutting services
while adding large number of employees. Why are you avoiding pain while
heaping on debt for our grandchildren to pay for your excesses?
Good grief. You're the one who needs to do a little research. SSI is
not just about retirement money. There are lots of reasons why SSI is
totally appropriate. Of course, since you're getting yours and nobody
is talking about taking yours away, you have no problem taking other
people's away. What a hypocrite.

Sure.. get rid of supporting the arts. I'm sure that's going to solve
our economic problems, but heck, don't touch big oil or farm
subsidies, and for GOD SAKE don't penalize companies who ship jobs
overseas!
There's a big difference between SS and SSI. Read about it. You probably
qualify for SSI benefits.


Reply:
Where is it in the constitution that it is the place of the Federal
Government to finance the arts? Let the local governments who can ask
the local taxpayers if they want to support the arts. Oil gets a
depreciation allowance. Just like somebody who rents buildings. Pump oil
out of the ground and the oil field is worth less. Same with buildings,
they depreciate over the years. Takes lots to restore them after 20
years, or maybe tear down and rebuild. I already said kill the farm
subsidies. How about removing the home buyer subsidy. Mortgage interest
deduction. Canada seems to have homeowners and they do not allow
mortgage deduction. You going to remove the depreciation deduction on
buildings and equipment? Everything should be on the table. Jobs are
moving overseas for a couple reasons. EPA is one. Excess regulations.
Want to build a new refinery? Something like 100 different agencies have
to approve and some have conflicting regs. Plus we have raised the wages
way more than those other countries. We used to pay probably 3x the
other countries wages. Now it is probably 10x or more.

Probably more than 10 times. In most of the world outside of the US a
personal servant isn't any more than $5K a year. Michelle Obama has
over 50 with salaries into th 6 digits all funded by debt to the taxpayer.

Canada does not have mortgage tax deductibility. We get screwed good
here. But a blessing in disguise as many people own their home outright
like me. And equity positions are generally higher, so if the market
goes for a tiff, we can just wait it out giving the bottom pricing a lot
more stability.

US should probably phase out mortgage deductibility, it does lend more
stability to the markets and encourages people to pay the mortgage off.

Kind of amazed at how fast your wealth grows when you have no mortgage
at all and continue to pay the investment account the equivalent of a
mortgage payment. Sort of like paying yourself to live in your own home.

US business tax rates are amongst the highest in the world, many big
corps are quite literally moving outside of the USA to avoid
hyper-taxation threats from the greedy. Just the greed cutting the revenue.

2006 democrat congress ****ed the government revenue stream with the
greed for low debt interest rates. By setting them to zero, having
money has no taxable return.

Cases in point, well off retired with $4M in the bank at 5% would have a
taxable income of $200K and pay plent of taxes. At 0% interest rate
they pay nothing in taxes.

Big corp says hey, why make 9% (dividends plus earnings) in a 5%
interest rate environment, that now the interest rate is 0% that a 3%
earnings is plenty, yielding 1/3rd as much taxes.

Further, be it corps or investors, they spend less as less revenue is
realized. This trickles down to other people in fewer jobs needed,
fewer taxes paid.

This is why taxes paid in 2006 to today have gone down to 2/3rds in real
dollars as no income no taxes, low interest rates stalled the economy
for debtors greed. Basically government ****ed itself in the ear.

To add to it, government expanded spending, running up debt. Worse yet,
they created inflationary moneys as no one would lend to DC for 1% in
their debtors fraud. So they created inflation causing the demand for
goods to decrease resulting in yet more job losses and less taxes.

Basically government should have raised interest rates, and not doing so
****ed themselves and you good.

And the madness continues. And it will until it fails. Fact is,
interest rates should be 7 to 10% to stem and stall new debt.
--
What government fears the most is that the people correctly learn that
they need government less than the government needs them.
Say no more debt, no more debt-slave taxes. Economic freedom matters too!

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On 19/07/2011 7:47 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Canuck57" wrote in message ...

On 19/07/2011 12:27 AM, wrote:

What a bunch of nonsense. Feel free to blame the poor for your
problems.

In part, you bet the poor are part of the problem.

Stop voting for Obama greed appeal. When poor vote with their greed and
envy, they get sucked into a debt whore like Obama, then Obama blows it
on waste causing them to suffer. But being poor also in wisdom, they
vote for the fool that wasted their futures.

Obama doesn't give a cold dead rats ass about anybody, just his greed
for power. Don't mistake his using your envy/greed against you for a
vote for caring. If he cared, the budget balancing would have occurred
2 1/2 years ago and could have been small enough with less debt that SSI
could be spared. But add $4++ trillion of corruption spend, now the
cuts have to go deeper.

Stupid poor voters cut their own throats with their envy and greed.
"Obama will pay for may gas and mortgage..." Ya right. Just the
stupid, greedy, envious poor with a vote voting stupid.

Good grief. You're the one who needs to do a little research. SSI is
not just about retirement money. There are lots of reasons why SSI is
totally appropriate. Of course, since you're getting yours and nobody
is talking about taking yours away, you have no problem taking other
people's away. What a hypocrite.

Sure.. get rid of supporting the arts. I'm sure that's going to solve
our economic problems, but heck, don't touch big oil or farm
subsidies, and for GOD SAKE don't penalize companies who ship jobs
overseas!

If the arts are worth saving, it would be because they are profitable
and attract paying customers.

Subsidies should all be cut permanently. So let me appeal to your greed
here. Why should you do without because food is subsidized for export
to other countries?

Subsidies is just a form of evil corruption. It starts off meaning well
but always ends up being a waste.

Actually, your SSI is being taken away. Te whole idea of Bernanke fraud
is to create inflation faster than government raises SSI benefits. Say
I create 100% inflation but don't raise your SSI...then I have
effectively in value terms reduced my SSI obligation in 1/2 the value.

Yep, but you like Obama/Bernanke and other fraudsters and suck in their
bull**** like a vacuum. Yep, screwed by the very people you worship.

Makes you pathetic that you can't see it.

Well written. It is the truth, but the fleabags forgot it would trash
revenue and employment when they decided to try this massive fraud on
the people.

In their fleabagger math they forget to have true inflation the people
must have the money to drive it. Isn't going to happen with bull****
and fraud.

Yep, these idiots worship the same people that screw them over, like a
deadly embrace. And so stupid they will do it over, and over and over
again and again but yet expect different results. Blinded by their envy
an greed.

--
What government fears the most is that the people correctly learn that
they need government less than the government needs them.
Say no more debt, no more debt-slave taxes. Economic freedom matters too!

Send a message to your members of Congress
 

On 19/07/2011 8:11 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 18:47:26 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message ...

On 19/07/2011 12:27 AM, wrote:

What a bunch of nonsense. Feel free to blame the poor for your
problems.

In part, you bet the poor are part of the problem.

Stop voting for Obama greed appeal. When poor vote with their greed and
envy, they get sucked into a debt whore like Obama, then Obama blows it
on waste causing them to suffer. But being poor also in wisdom, they
vote for the fool that wasted their futures.

Obama doesn't give a cold dead rats ass about anybody, just his greed
for power. Don't mistake his using your envy/greed against you for a
vote for caring. If he cared, the budget balancing would have occurred
2 1/2 years ago and could have been small enough with less debt that SSI
could be spared. But add $4++ trillion of corruption spend, now the
cuts have to go deeper.

Stupid poor voters cut their own throats with their envy and greed.
"Obama will pay for may gas and mortgage..." Ya right. Just the
stupid, greedy, envious poor with a vote voting stupid.

Good grief. You're the one who needs to do a little research. SSI is
not just about retirement money. There are lots of reasons why SSI is
totally appropriate. Of course, since you're getting yours and nobody
is talking about taking yours away, you have no problem taking other
people's away. What a hypocrite.

Sure.. get rid of supporting the arts. I'm sure that's going to solve
our economic problems, but heck, don't touch big oil or farm
subsidies, and for GOD SAKE don't penalize companies who ship jobs
overseas!

If the arts are worth saving, it would be because they are profitable
and attract paying customers.

Subsidies should all be cut permanently. So let me appeal to your greed
here. Why should you do without because food is subsidized for export
to other countries?

Subsidies is just a form of evil corruption. It starts off meaning well
but always ends up being a waste.

Actually, your SSI is being taken away. Te whole idea of Bernanke fraud
is to create inflation faster than government raises SSI benefits. Say
I create 100% inflation but don't raise your SSI...then I have
effectively in value terms reduced my SSI obligation in 1/2 the value.

Yep, but you like Obama/Bernanke and other fraudsters and suck in their
bull**** like a vacuum. Yep, screwed by the very people you worship.

Makes you pathetic that you can't see it.
Reply:
Was originally for those who were exempt from Social Security taxes.
Farmers mainly, not new immigrants, who are supposed to be sponsored and
that means financially.

Are you mentally incapable of learning how to post properly? Good
grief!

Most "farmers" these days have huge holdings. Feel free to blame
immigrants. I suppose your ancestors were Native American. I doubt it.

Too bad they didn't have an IQ test before you can vote. No doubt you
would fail. Just a envious, greedy parasite.

--
What government fears the most is that the people correctly learn that
they need government less than the government needs them.
Say no more debt, no more debt-slave taxes. Economic freedom matters too!