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TopBassDog July 19th 11 05:28 AM

AARP: Send a message to your members of Congress
 
On Jul 17, 7:02*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 12:34:44 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:









On 17/07/2011 7:42 AM, HenryK wrote:
On 7/16/2011 9:10 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 20:25:43 -0400, wrote:


On 7/16/2011 8:00 PM, Q JINN wrote:
AARP


https://action.aarp.org/site/Advocac...UserAction&id=...


Tell Congress: No Unfair Cuts to Medicare and Social Security


Right now, Congress is considering deals to pay the nation's bills that
would include dramatic cuts to Medicare and put the health of millions
of older Americans at risk.


We can't allow Congress to balance the budget on the backs of America's
seniors


Send a message to your members of Congress


there is no options for most Americans aside from Medicare.
Obama Care as it has been labeled is a giant tax increase not better or
more health care. It is fact a cut in health care.
Cutting Medicare means most Americans, coming into the system later on
will have a choice of selling what they have and depending on Medicaid
or whatever catchall fail safe of Obama Care.
The proposals are truly through Grand Ma under the train.
I thought such language was just inflammatory barbs thrown at those
seeking to cut Medicare until looking at it.


Huh? First, there's no such thing as "Obama Care." Second, the
Affordable Healthcare Act actually has some really nice things in it.


http://www.healthcare.gov/law/about/index.html
It must be my imagination but my costs have gone up in the past year
with higher premiums,, higher deductibles, higher co-pays, more drug
exclusions.
I can understand why Obama doesn't want his name associated with the
bill, but it's too late. It will cost him in 2012.
Good riddance to him, I say.


I kept telling people, just a greedy tax grab. *Sell people the greed,
and they will follow like sheep.


And we keep telling you to try something else. The tinfoil hat is
leaking.


Then make a new one D'Plume. It may cure your strabismus.

TopBassDog July 19th 11 05:29 AM

AARP: Send a message to your members of Congress
 
On Jul 17, 7:01*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 12:36:29 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:









On 17/07/2011 10:38 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 09:42:35 -0400, *wrote:


On 7/16/2011 9:10 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 20:25:43 -0400, * wrote:


On 7/16/2011 8:00 PM, Q JINN wrote:
AARP


https://action.aarp.org/site/Advocac...UserAction&id=...


Tell Congress: No Unfair Cuts to Medicare and Social Security


Right now, Congress is considering deals to pay the nation's bills that
would include dramatic cuts to Medicare and put the health of millions
of older Americans at risk.


We can't allow Congress to balance the budget on the backs of America's
seniors


Send a message to your members of Congress


there is no options for most Americans aside from Medicare.
Obama Care as it has been labeled is a giant tax increase not better or
more health care. It is fact a cut in health care.
Cutting Medicare means most Americans, coming into the system later on
will have a choice of selling what they have and depending on Medicaid
or whatever catchall fail safe of Obama Care.
The proposals are truly through Grand Ma under the train.
I thought such language was just inflammatory barbs thrown at those
seeking to cut Medicare until looking at it.


Huh? First, there's no such thing as "Obama Care." Second, the
Affordable Healthcare Act actually has some really nice things in it..


http://www.healthcare.gov/law/about/index.html
It must be my imagination but my costs have gone up in the past year
with higher premiums,, higher deductibles, higher co-pays, more drug
exclusions.
I can understand why Obama doesn't want his name associated with the
bill, but it's too late. It will cost him in 2012.
Good riddance to him, I say.


So, it's all about you. You aren't willing to spend a single dime more
to help anyone else. Did you even look at the website? I doubt it.


Obama very much will run on pushing through the Affordable Healthcare
Act. It will certainly "cost him" with some people. People like you
who apparently can't see the forest for the trees.


It must suck to be so dependent on social assistance, it has fried your
brains.


You're the one who spends his welfare checks on cheap beer.


How would you know, D'Plume. Did he invite you over for a nightcap?

TopBassDog July 19th 11 05:30 AM

AARP: Send a message to your members of Congress
 
On Jul 17, 1:31*pm, Florida Jim wrote:
On 7/17/2011 12:38 PM, wrote:







On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 09:42:35 -0400, *wrote:


On 7/16/2011 9:10 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 20:25:43 -0400, * wrote:


On 7/16/2011 8:00 PM, Q JINN wrote:
AARP


https://action.aarp.org/site/Advocac...UserAction&id=...


Tell Congress: No Unfair Cuts to Medicare and Social Security


Right now, Congress is considering deals to pay the nation's bills that
would include dramatic cuts to Medicare and put the health of millions
of older Americans at risk.


We can't allow Congress to balance the budget on the backs of America's
seniors


Send a message to your members of Congress


there is no options for most Americans aside from Medicare.
Obama Care as it has been labeled is a giant tax increase not better or
more health care. It is fact a cut in health care.
Cutting Medicare means most Americans, coming into the system later on
will have a choice of selling what they have and depending on Medicaid
or whatever catchall fail safe of Obama Care.
The proposals are truly through Grand Ma under the train.
I thought such language was just inflammatory barbs thrown at those
seeking to cut Medicare until looking at it.
Huh? First, there's no such thing as "Obama Care." Second, the
Affordable Healthcare Act actually has some really nice things in it.


http://www.healthcare.gov/law/about/index.html
It must be my imagination but my costs have gone up in the past year
with higher premiums,, higher deductibles, higher co-pays, more drug
exclusions.
I can understand why Obama doesn't want his name associated with the
bill, but it's too late. It will cost him in 2012.
Good riddance to him, I say.

So, it's all about you. You aren't willing to spend a single dime more
to help anyone else. Did you even look at the website? I doubt it.


Obama very much will run on pushing through the Affordable Healthcare
Act. It will certainly "cost him" with some people. People like you
who apparently can't see the forest for the trees.


If the dip**** Plume could read, she'd see that the Obama plan has
already cost us a substantial amount.


That she has a problem with. That's why she is undergoing treatments
for strabismus.


Califbill July 19th 11 05:57 AM

Send a message to your members of Congress
 
"Canuck57" wrote in message ...

On 17/07/2011 6:06 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 12:46:52 -0600,
wrote:

On 17/07/2011 11:44 AM,
wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 11:31:03 -0600,
wrote:

On 16/07/2011 6:00 PM, Q JINN wrote:
AARP

https://action.aarp.org/site/Advocac...Action&id=1293

Tell Congress: No Unfair Cuts to Medicare and Social Security

Right now, Congress is considering deals to pay the nation's bills
that
would include dramatic cuts to Medicare and put the health of millions
of older Americans at risk.

We can't allow Congress to balance the budget on the backs of
America's
seniors

Send a message to your members of Congress

I do have a problem cutting social security. It soud be the last one
chopped. While people had the misguided idea government would manage
it
well, it is an obligation that was paid for. Cut welfare first, as
welfare didn't pay squat into it. Plus the payroll tax is there for
social security.

Welfare is already bare-bones. It's the final safety net for a
society. Clinton scaled it back quite dramatically, but you don't care
about facts. You just want to hurt the poor.


But the say fact is that decades of fiscal mismanagement of SS has left
it crippled. Government borrows and wastes the moneys, pays well below
inflation diluting the value of it every year. Like a parasite sucking
slowly and surely.

There's little fiscal mismanagement in SS. As usual, you're devoid of
actual facts.

Medicare and medicaid, why not merge the two and lower the service
levels, make it more efficient and less costly? Sorry, not everyone
can
go out costing $3 million for heart, lung, kidneys...there has to be
rationed limits.

You moron. Medicaid is a STATE run program. Medicare is FEDERAL. GET A
CLUE!

The big hack should be military, general administration and over all
efficiencies. Michelle for example, 50+ staff? You're kidding right?

No argument about the military, but the right-wing won't do that. And,
you're a racist little pig.

A good law to slide into government might be no raises for any civil
servant until the budget is 100% balanced for one budget cycle. A
little motivation to get the lead out.

That's a noise-level "solution."

If unions, governemnt or people sanely cared about pensions, pensions
would be in your name, in your account and in your control, and if some
central authority want big pools of money, they would have to borrow it
from you at defined terms acceptable to you. No more skimming and
bamboozling. Social security, employee and employers part, company
pension, all go into the IRA/401K. Current pension plans are total
bullship, except for government elite with the gold plated indexed
plans. Sort of an eglitarian aristoracy to be government these days.
They should get and use the same benefits as they provide.

But big fat government is about milking and managing the herd for the
egalitarianism in our societies. Taxation and government has turned
out
to be modern day slavery.

As usual, you're totally ignorant.


Ya well why have 8 different departments doing the same damn thing as
Medicare and Medicaid? Government has to stop treating inefficiency as
a goal.


So, forget states rights then? You're really a dummy.


You're the racist, Polly want a cracker? Or does Polly want a cracker
to pay for it?

I like the idea of tying civil servant pay check to performance goals in
a non-subjective way. Lazy idealist fantastic dreamers in government
need a stark wakeup call.


Huh? Which civil servants?

By the way, I once worked for US government sponsored organization once.
What a CF, the idiots found the most inefficient ways to do the most
simplistic of things in the most complex and stupidest ways possible.


You're a known liar and a fool. Nobody would hire you for any gov't
position.

Every department, every job needs a review in government that asks the
questions:

1) How does this benefit all Americans? (cut the racism hidden in
special programs, it should not mater if you are bown, white, black,
yellow, red or purple, it is "We the People...".

2) Is it cost effective and lean?

3) Is it really needed? Or just subsiding dysfunctional behavior?


Yet, the Republicans typically block reform. They just want to kill
everything.

And, whatever "fat" that's left wouldn't amount to much money in the
scheme of things. But, that doesn't matter to a racist little pig like
you.


Funny, your broke. As in debt welshing LOSER.

I got a kick out of Timothy Geithner today going after the Euro default
situation, man sure is a real hypocritical stupendous idiot.

All a default means is that it is now pay as you go. Nothing more or less.
--
What government fears the most is that the people correctly learn that
they need government less than the government needs them.
Say no more debt, no more debt-slave taxes. Economic freedom matters too!


Reply:
Social Security and Medicare need to be on the table also! We can not
afford to give out money we do not have. How about change the law, so the
SS and Medicare money does not go to the general fund. Any surplus goes to
paying down the debt. No hiding overspending by stealing the SS money.
Plus some means testing, and copay for doctor visits. All my medical plans
for the last 30+ years had a copay. Medicare and United Health
supplemental, go to the doctor any time you want. No cost. Want your blood
pressure checked 3 times a week. Just go to the doctor or hospital. If you
are really poor, not just what we call poor here in the states, then you get
a credit at tax time. Poor here, seem to have cars, TV, game station of
some sort and cable. And are overweight. Don’t believe it, then do a
little research. Immigrants get SSI, and the minimum is more than the
minimum Social Security. Why do they get SSI? There sponsor, promises to
provide for them. My sister in law is from England. She brought her
parents over shortly after he retired as an English Crown Corporation
employee. Well he worked for the government. First thing they do is sign
up for SSI. I thought it was wrong in 1969 and still think it is wrong now.
Cut all NEA money. constitution does not call for the Federal Government to
provide public artwork. Is a nice thing, but we are cutting services to
handicapped, while still endowing the arts. As well as not cutting pay or
number of employees of the government Actually we are cutting services
while adding large number of employees. Why are you avoiding pain while
heaping on debt for our grandchildren to pay for your excesses?


[email protected] July 19th 11 07:27 AM

Send a message to your members of Congress
 
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:57:21 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message ...

On 17/07/2011 6:06 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 12:46:52 -0600,
wrote:

On 17/07/2011 11:44 AM,
wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 11:31:03 -0600,
wrote:

On 16/07/2011 6:00 PM, Q JINN wrote:
AARP

https://action.aarp.org/site/Advocac...Action&id=1293

Tell Congress: No Unfair Cuts to Medicare and Social Security

Right now, Congress is considering deals to pay the nation's bills
that
would include dramatic cuts to Medicare and put the health of millions
of older Americans at risk.

We can't allow Congress to balance the budget on the backs of
America's
seniors

Send a message to your members of Congress

I do have a problem cutting social security. It soud be the last one
chopped. While people had the misguided idea government would manage
it
well, it is an obligation that was paid for. Cut welfare first, as
welfare didn't pay squat into it. Plus the payroll tax is there for
social security.

Welfare is already bare-bones. It's the final safety net for a
society. Clinton scaled it back quite dramatically, but you don't care
about facts. You just want to hurt the poor.


But the say fact is that decades of fiscal mismanagement of SS has left
it crippled. Government borrows and wastes the moneys, pays well below
inflation diluting the value of it every year. Like a parasite sucking
slowly and surely.

There's little fiscal mismanagement in SS. As usual, you're devoid of
actual facts.

Medicare and medicaid, why not merge the two and lower the service
levels, make it more efficient and less costly? Sorry, not everyone
can
go out costing $3 million for heart, lung, kidneys...there has to be
rationed limits.

You moron. Medicaid is a STATE run program. Medicare is FEDERAL. GET A
CLUE!

The big hack should be military, general administration and over all
efficiencies. Michelle for example, 50+ staff? You're kidding right?

No argument about the military, but the right-wing won't do that. And,
you're a racist little pig.

A good law to slide into government might be no raises for any civil
servant until the budget is 100% balanced for one budget cycle. A
little motivation to get the lead out.

That's a noise-level "solution."

If unions, governemnt or people sanely cared about pensions, pensions
would be in your name, in your account and in your control, and if some
central authority want big pools of money, they would have to borrow it
from you at defined terms acceptable to you. No more skimming and
bamboozling. Social security, employee and employers part, company
pension, all go into the IRA/401K. Current pension plans are total
bullship, except for government elite with the gold plated indexed
plans. Sort of an eglitarian aristoracy to be government these days.
They should get and use the same benefits as they provide.

But big fat government is about milking and managing the herd for the
egalitarianism in our societies. Taxation and government has turned
out
to be modern day slavery.

As usual, you're totally ignorant.

Ya well why have 8 different departments doing the same damn thing as
Medicare and Medicaid? Government has to stop treating inefficiency as
a goal.


So, forget states rights then? You're really a dummy.


You're the racist, Polly want a cracker? Or does Polly want a cracker
to pay for it?

I like the idea of tying civil servant pay check to performance goals in
a non-subjective way. Lazy idealist fantastic dreamers in government
need a stark wakeup call.


Huh? Which civil servants?

By the way, I once worked for US government sponsored organization once.
What a CF, the idiots found the most inefficient ways to do the most
simplistic of things in the most complex and stupidest ways possible.


You're a known liar and a fool. Nobody would hire you for any gov't
position.

Every department, every job needs a review in government that asks the
questions:

1) How does this benefit all Americans? (cut the racism hidden in
special programs, it should not mater if you are bown, white, black,
yellow, red or purple, it is "We the People...".

2) Is it cost effective and lean?

3) Is it really needed? Or just subsiding dysfunctional behavior?


Yet, the Republicans typically block reform. They just want to kill
everything.

And, whatever "fat" that's left wouldn't amount to much money in the
scheme of things. But, that doesn't matter to a racist little pig like
you.


Funny, your broke. As in debt welshing LOSER.

I got a kick out of Timothy Geithner today going after the Euro default
situation, man sure is a real hypocritical stupendous idiot.

All a default means is that it is now pay as you go. Nothing more or less.
Reply:
Social Security and Medicare need to be on the table also! We can not
afford to give out money we do not have. How about change the law, so the
SS and Medicare money does not go to the general fund. Any surplus goes to
paying down the debt. No hiding overspending by stealing the SS money.


Firstly, there's already a means test for SSI. The big ticket item for
Medicare is reducing fraud, but the Republicans don't want to fund it.
They just want to talk about it.

Plus some means testing, and copay for doctor visits. All my medical plans
for the last 30+ years had a copay. Medicare and United Health
supplemental, go to the doctor any time you want. No cost. Want your blood
pressure checked 3 times a week. Just go to the doctor or hospital. If you
are really poor, not just what we call poor here in the states, then you get
a credit at tax time. Poor here, seem to have cars, TV, game station of
some sort and cable. And are overweight.


What a bunch of nonsense. Feel free to blame the poor for your
problems.

Don’t believe it, then do a
little research. Immigrants get SSI, and the minimum is more than the
minimum Social Security. Why do they get SSI? There sponsor, promises to
provide for them. My sister in law is from England. She brought her
parents over shortly after he retired as an English Crown Corporation
employee. Well he worked for the government. First thing they do is sign
up for SSI. I thought it was wrong in 1969 and still think it is wrong now.
Cut all NEA money. constitution does not call for the Federal Government to
provide public artwork. Is a nice thing, but we are cutting services to
handicapped, while still endowing the arts. As well as not cutting pay or
number of employees of the government Actually we are cutting services
while adding large number of employees. Why are you avoiding pain while
heaping on debt for our grandchildren to pay for your excesses?


Good grief. You're the one who needs to do a little research. SSI is
not just about retirement money. There are lots of reasons why SSI is
totally appropriate. Of course, since you're getting yours and nobody
is talking about taking yours away, you have no problem taking other
people's away. What a hypocrite.

Sure.. get rid of supporting the arts. I'm sure that's going to solve
our economic problems, but heck, don't touch big oil or farm
subsidies, and for GOD SAKE don't penalize companies who ship jobs
overseas!

Florida Jim July 19th 11 01:13 PM

Send a message to your members of Congress
 
On 7/19/2011 2:27 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 21:57:21 -0700, "Califbill"
wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message ...

On 17/07/2011 6:06 PM,
wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 12:46:52 -0600,
wrote:

On 17/07/2011 11:44 AM,
wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 11:31:03 -0600,
wrote:

On 16/07/2011 6:00 PM, Q JINN wrote:
AARP

https://action.aarp.org/site/Advocac...Action&id=1293

Tell Congress: No Unfair Cuts to Medicare and Social Security

Right now, Congress is considering deals to pay the nation's bills
that
would include dramatic cuts to Medicare and put the health of millions
of older Americans at risk.

We can't allow Congress to balance the budget on the backs of
America's
seniors

Send a message to your members of Congress
I do have a problem cutting social security. It soud be the last one
chopped. While people had the misguided idea government would manage
it
well, it is an obligation that was paid for. Cut welfare first, as
welfare didn't pay squat into it. Plus the payroll tax is there for
social security.
Welfare is already bare-bones. It's the final safety net for a
society. Clinton scaled it back quite dramatically, but you don't care
about facts. You just want to hurt the poor.

But the say fact is that decades of fiscal mismanagement of SS has left
it crippled. Government borrows and wastes the moneys, pays well below
inflation diluting the value of it every year. Like a parasite sucking
slowly and surely.
There's little fiscal mismanagement in SS. As usual, you're devoid of
actual facts.

Medicare and medicaid, why not merge the two and lower the service
levels, make it more efficient and less costly? Sorry, not everyone
can
go out costing $3 million for heart, lung, kidneys...there has to be
rationed limits.
You moron. Medicaid is a STATE run program. Medicare is FEDERAL. GET A
CLUE!

The big hack should be military, general administration and over all
efficiencies. Michelle for example, 50+ staff? You're kidding right?
No argument about the military, but the right-wing won't do that. And,
you're a racist little pig.

A good law to slide into government might be no raises for any civil
servant until the budget is 100% balanced for one budget cycle. A
little motivation to get the lead out.
That's a noise-level "solution."

If unions, governemnt or people sanely cared about pensions, pensions
would be in your name, in your account and in your control, and if some
central authority want big pools of money, they would have to borrow it
from you at defined terms acceptable to you. No more skimming and
bamboozling. Social security, employee and employers part, company
pension, all go into the IRA/401K. Current pension plans are total
bullship, except for government elite with the gold plated indexed
plans. Sort of an eglitarian aristoracy to be government these days.
They should get and use the same benefits as they provide.

But big fat government is about milking and managing the herd for the
egalitarianism in our societies. Taxation and government has turned
out
to be modern day slavery.
As usual, you're totally ignorant.
Ya well why have 8 different departments doing the same damn thing as
Medicare and Medicaid? Government has to stop treating inefficiency as
a goal.
So, forget states rights then? You're really a dummy.

You're the racist, Polly want a cracker? Or does Polly want a cracker
to pay for it?

I like the idea of tying civil servant pay check to performance goals in
a non-subjective way. Lazy idealist fantastic dreamers in government
need a stark wakeup call.
Huh? Which civil servants?

By the way, I once worked for US government sponsored organization once.
What a CF, the idiots found the most inefficient ways to do the most
simplistic of things in the most complex and stupidest ways possible.
You're a known liar and a fool. Nobody would hire you for any gov't
position.

Every department, every job needs a review in government that asks the
questions:

1) How does this benefit all Americans? (cut the racism hidden in
special programs, it should not mater if you are bown, white, black,
yellow, red or purple, it is "We the People...".

2) Is it cost effective and lean?

3) Is it really needed? Or just subsiding dysfunctional behavior?
Yet, the Republicans typically block reform. They just want to kill
everything.

And, whatever "fat" that's left wouldn't amount to much money in the
scheme of things. But, that doesn't matter to a racist little pig like
you.

Funny, your broke. As in debt welshing LOSER.

I got a kick out of Timothy Geithner today going after the Euro default
situation, man sure is a real hypocritical stupendous idiot.

All a default means is that it is now pay as you go. Nothing more or less.
Reply:
Social Security and Medicare need to be on the table also! We can not
afford to give out money we do not have. How about change the law, so the
SS and Medicare money does not go to the general fund. Any surplus goes to
paying down the debt. No hiding overspending by stealing the SS money.

Firstly, there's already a means test for SSI. The big ticket item for
Medicare is reducing fraud, but the Republicans don't want to fund it.
They just want to talk about it.

Plus some means testing, and copay for doctor visits. All my medical plans
for the last 30+ years had a copay. Medicare and United Health
supplemental, go to the doctor any time you want. No cost. Want your blood
pressure checked 3 times a week. Just go to the doctor or hospital. If you
are really poor, not just what we call poor here in the states, then you get
a credit at tax time. Poor here, seem to have cars, TV, game station of
some sort and cable. And are overweight.

What a bunch of nonsense. Feel free to blame the poor for your
problems.

Don’t believe it, then do a
little research. Immigrants get SSI, and the minimum is more than the
minimum Social Security. Why do they get SSI? There sponsor, promises to
provide for them. My sister in law is from England. She brought her
parents over shortly after he retired as an English Crown Corporation
employee. Well he worked for the government. First thing they do is sign
up for SSI. I thought it was wrong in 1969 and still think it is wrong now.
Cut all NEA money. constitution does not call for the Federal Government to
provide public artwork. Is a nice thing, but we are cutting services to
handicapped, while still endowing the arts. As well as not cutting pay or
number of employees of the government Actually we are cutting services
while adding large number of employees. Why are you avoiding pain while
heaping on debt for our grandchildren to pay for your excesses?

Good grief. You're the one who needs to do a little research. SSI is
not just about retirement money. There are lots of reasons why SSI is
totally appropriate. Of course, since you're getting yours and nobody
is talking about taking yours away, you have no problem taking other
people's away. What a hypocrite.

Sure.. get rid of supporting the arts. I'm sure that's going to solve
our economic problems, but heck, don't touch big oil or farm
subsidies, and for GOD SAKE don't penalize companies who ship jobs
overseas!

There's a big difference between SS and SSI. Read about it. You probably
qualify for SSI benefits.

Canuck57[_9_] July 19th 11 04:10 PM

AARP: Send a message to your members of Congress
 
On 17/07/2011 6:07 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 15:20:42 -0600,
wrote:

On 17/07/2011 2:03 PM, TopBassDog wrote:
On Jul 17, 12:45 pm, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 11:36:24 -0600,
wrote:









On 16/07/2011 6:25 PM, Liburn wrote:
On 7/16/2011 8:00 PM, Q JINN wrote:
AARP

https://action.aarp.org/site/Advocac...UserAction&id=...

Tell Congress: No Unfair Cuts to Medicare and Social Security

Right now, Congress is considering deals to pay the nation's bills that
would include dramatic cuts to Medicare and put the health of millions
of older Americans at risk.

We can't allow Congress to balance the budget on the backs of America's
seniors

Send a message to your members of Congress

there is no options for most Americans aside from Medicare.
Obama Care as it has been labeled is a giant tax increase not better or
more health care. It is fact a cut in health care.

That is how i worked in Canada. Get the taxes and dumb down the service
levels for government profit. And they can hold it over you like a
hammer if your are a dependent. Most people are too greedy to see this.

Cutting Medicare means most Americans, coming into the system later on
will have a choice of selling what they have and depending on Medicaid
or whatever catchall fail safe of Obama Care.
The proposals are truly through Grand Ma under the train.
I thought such language was just inflammatory barbs thrown at those
seeking to cut Medicare until looking at it.

Have no choice, pay government (low) efficiency rates or do it yourself.
Trouble is then should a lazy fat sit on your ass never worked a day
in their life get the same service as someone who has contributed for
40+ years?

Really boils down to who gets screwed, shifting lower quality services
to those that pay for benefits to those that don't pay anything, even
dope dealers and habitual users not fit to work. Now if the government
differentiates, oh that is a slipperly slope for sure.

Two idiots agree! Call CNN.

Which two? You and CNN?


CNN sure is a fleabag of a media station. Definitely a liberal media
propaganda machine.


You and the other moron. Yeah, Knuckles watches Fox. He's got the hots
for Greta.


When we lived here, I liked fox much better than CNN. Don't get the old
Fox in Canada any more. Government here censors homes reporting, that
is why they own and control a national media source. Ways of keeping
the sheep brainwashed with ra-ra government propaganda.

--
What government fears the most is that the people correctly learn that
they need government less than the government needs them.
Say no more debt, no more debt-slave taxes. Economic freedom matters too!

Harryk July 19th 11 04:14 PM

AARP: Send a message to your members of Congress
 
On 7/19/11 11:10 AM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 17/07/2011 6:07 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 15:20:42 -0600,
wrote:

On 17/07/2011 2:03 PM, TopBassDog wrote:
On Jul 17, 12:45 pm, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 11:36:24 -0600,
wrote:









On 16/07/2011 6:25 PM, Liburn wrote:
On 7/16/2011 8:00 PM, Q JINN wrote:
AARP

https://action.aarp.org/site/Advocac...UserAction&id=...


Tell Congress: No Unfair Cuts to Medicare and Social Security

Right now, Congress is considering deals to pay the nation's
bills that
would include dramatic cuts to Medicare and put the health of
millions
of older Americans at risk.

We can't allow Congress to balance the budget on the backs of
America's
seniors

Send a message to your members of Congress

there is no options for most Americans aside from Medicare.
Obama Care as it has been labeled is a giant tax increase not
better or
more health care. It is fact a cut in health care.

That is how i worked in Canada. Get the taxes and dumb down the
service
levels for government profit. And they can hold it over you like a
hammer if your are a dependent. Most people are too greedy to see
this.

Cutting Medicare means most Americans, coming into the system
later on
will have a choice of selling what they have and depending on
Medicaid
or whatever catchall fail safe of Obama Care.
The proposals are truly through Grand Ma under the train.
I thought such language was just inflammatory barbs thrown at those
seeking to cut Medicare until looking at it.

Have no choice, pay government (low) efficiency rates or do it
yourself.
Trouble is then should a lazy fat sit on your ass never worked a day
in their life get the same service as someone who has contributed for
40+ years?

Really boils down to who gets screwed, shifting lower quality
services
to those that pay for benefits to those that don't pay anything, even
dope dealers and habitual users not fit to work. Now if the
government
differentiates, oh that is a slipperly slope for sure.

Two idiots agree! Call CNN.

Which two? You and CNN?

CNN sure is a fleabag of a media station. Definitely a liberal media
propaganda machine.


You and the other moron. Yeah, Knuckles watches Fox. He's got the hots
for Greta.


When we lived here, I liked fox much better than CNN. Don't get the old
Fox in Canada any more. Government here censors homes reporting, that is
why they own and control a national media source. Ways of keeping the
sheep brainwashed with ra-ra government propaganda.



If you watch Fox, you are a sheep and you are brainwashed. Perhaps that
is why you are so ****ed in the brain.

Canuck57[_9_] July 19th 11 04:39 PM

Send a message to your members of Congress
 
On 18/07/2011 10:57 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Canuck57" wrote in message ...

On 17/07/2011 6:06 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 12:46:52 -0600,
wrote:

On 17/07/2011 11:44 AM,
wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 11:31:03 -0600,
wrote:

On 16/07/2011 6:00 PM, Q JINN wrote:
AARP

https://action.aarp.org/site/Advocac...Action&id=1293


Tell Congress: No Unfair Cuts to Medicare and Social Security

Right now, Congress is considering deals to pay the nation's bills
that
would include dramatic cuts to Medicare and put the health of
millions
of older Americans at risk.

We can't allow Congress to balance the budget on the backs of
America's
seniors

Send a message to your members of Congress

I do have a problem cutting social security. It soud be the last one
chopped. While people had the misguided idea government would
manage it
well, it is an obligation that was paid for. Cut welfare first, as
welfare didn't pay squat into it. Plus the payroll tax is there for
social security.

Welfare is already bare-bones. It's the final safety net for a
society. Clinton scaled it back quite dramatically, but you don't care
about facts. You just want to hurt the poor.


But the say fact is that decades of fiscal mismanagement of SS has
left
it crippled. Government borrows and wastes the moneys, pays well
below
inflation diluting the value of it every year. Like a parasite
sucking
slowly and surely.

There's little fiscal mismanagement in SS. As usual, you're devoid of
actual facts.

Medicare and medicaid, why not merge the two and lower the service
levels, make it more efficient and less costly? Sorry, not
everyone can
go out costing $3 million for heart, lung, kidneys...there has to be
rationed limits.

You moron. Medicaid is a STATE run program. Medicare is FEDERAL. GET A
CLUE!

The big hack should be military, general administration and over all
efficiencies. Michelle for example, 50+ staff? You're kidding right?

No argument about the military, but the right-wing won't do that. And,
you're a racist little pig.

A good law to slide into government might be no raises for any civil
servant until the budget is 100% balanced for one budget cycle. A
little motivation to get the lead out.

That's a noise-level "solution."

If unions, governemnt or people sanely cared about pensions, pensions
would be in your name, in your account and in your control, and if
some
central authority want big pools of money, they would have to
borrow it
from you at defined terms acceptable to you. No more skimming and
bamboozling. Social security, employee and employers part, company
pension, all go into the IRA/401K. Current pension plans are total
bullship, except for government elite with the gold plated indexed
plans. Sort of an eglitarian aristoracy to be government these days.
They should get and use the same benefits as they provide.

But big fat government is about milking and managing the herd for the
egalitarianism in our societies. Taxation and government has
turned out
to be modern day slavery.

As usual, you're totally ignorant.

Ya well why have 8 different departments doing the same damn thing as
Medicare and Medicaid? Government has to stop treating inefficiency as
a goal.


So, forget states rights then? You're really a dummy.


You're the racist, Polly want a cracker? Or does Polly want a cracker
to pay for it?

I like the idea of tying civil servant pay check to performance goals in
a non-subjective way. Lazy idealist fantastic dreamers in government
need a stark wakeup call.


Huh? Which civil servants?

By the way, I once worked for US government sponsored organization once.
What a CF, the idiots found the most inefficient ways to do the most
simplistic of things in the most complex and stupidest ways possible.


You're a known liar and a fool. Nobody would hire you for any gov't
position.

Every department, every job needs a review in government that asks the
questions:

1) How does this benefit all Americans? (cut the racism hidden in
special programs, it should not mater if you are bown, white, black,
yellow, red or purple, it is "We the People...".

2) Is it cost effective and lean?

3) Is it really needed? Or just subsiding dysfunctional behavior?


Yet, the Republicans typically block reform. They just want to kill
everything.

And, whatever "fat" that's left wouldn't amount to much money in the
scheme of things. But, that doesn't matter to a racist little pig like
you.


Funny, your broke. As in debt welshing LOSER.

I got a kick out of Timothy Geithner today going after the Euro default
situation, man sure is a real hypocritical stupendous idiot.

All a default means is that it is now pay as you go. Nothing more or less.
--
What government fears the most is that the people correctly learn that
they need government less than the government needs them.
Say no more debt, no more debt-slave taxes. Economic freedom matters too!


Reply:
Social Security and Medicare need to be on the table also! We can not
afford to give out money we do not have. How about change the law, so
the SS and Medicare money does not go to the general fund. Any surplus
goes to paying down the debt. No hiding overspending by stealing the SS
money. Plus some means testing, and copay for doctor visits. All my
medical plans for the last 30+ years had a copay. Medicare and United
Health supplemental, go to the doctor any time you want. No cost. Want
your blood pressure checked 3 times a week. Just go to the doctor or
hospital. If you are really poor, not just what we call poor here in
the states, then you get a credit at tax time. Poor here, seem to have
cars, TV, game station of some sort and cable. And are overweight.
Don’t believe it, then do a little research. Immigrants get SSI, and
the minimum is more than the minimum Social Security. Why do they get
SSI? There sponsor, promises to provide for them. My sister in law is
from England. She brought her parents over shortly after he retired as
an English Crown Corporation employee. Well he worked for the
government. First thing they do is sign up for SSI. I thought it was
wrong in 1969 and still think it is wrong now. Cut all NEA money.
constitution does not call for the Federal Government to provide public
artwork. Is a nice thing, but we are cutting services to handicapped,
while still endowing the arts. As well as not cutting pay or number of
employees of the government Actually we are cutting services while
adding large number of employees. Why are you avoiding pain while
heaping on debt for our grandchildren to pay for your excesses?


Unfortunately you are right, no program anywhere should be spared.

The easiest most fair way to solve Social Security screwing going
forward is to phase it out and replace it with mandated savings but in
your name, in your account and in your control -- failing that it is
real a tax on income.

I think they partially closed the SS loophole you mention, you need 40
points, can earn up to 4 per year depending if you pay enough taxes. I
have 40. But still there in that someone can move from say India or
Afghanistan, work 10 years and fully collect.

Because the pool of money is skimmed and abused. Governemtn borrows it
for 1% return in a 4% inflation environment and it looses 3% vlue every
year!!! Then they also use it to subsidize those that don't pay enough
for the benefits they get.

Hey, I am not anti-socialist, if a vet or truly disabled person needs it
fine. But many are no-pay collectors.

Basically, like everything else government Social Security has been
mismanaged. I suspect similarily medicare/medicaid too is like this.

But for every $1 cut in these programs, I would want to see $3 from
administration and $5 from the military. And pay freezes for all of
government until the budget was balanced.

Good part is intelligent people will see SSI people get screwed will
eventually question why they pay the employment taxes. These employment
taxes plus wages have grown over the years, but wages remain stagnant
because of the employment tax creep. People don't see what isn't in
their faces.

Agree with co-pay. Needs to be a small charge even i they are poor. If
you can't come up with $10 or $25, you have your priorities all wrong.

Stuff like foreign aid corruption, bailouts, handouts for nothing
programs all should be just scrapped including the civil servants that
run them. That part of government is a waste.

No need to duplicate medicare/medicaid, merge them either to the state
or to the fed, but the duplication is insane. Also, the federal civil
servants get that service as they get to eat their own dog food. Yep,
cut their plans for the government plan. No egalitarianism.

Some 500 departments and programs of low or no value have been
identified, they should just be eliminated. Simplify, reduce costs and
stop the bleeding here. 90% of these are targeted pork barrel programs
anyways, it should be "We the People..." or not at all.

It would not be tough provided the president actually managed the
government and not let the government manage him.

Worst sins of a civil employee are downsize and efficiency. Time it was
fixed.
--
What government fears the most is that the people correctly learn that
they need government less than the government needs them.
Say no more debt, no more debt-slave taxes. Economic freedom matters too!

Canuck57[_9_] July 19th 11 04:53 PM

Send a message to your members of Congress
 
On 19/07/2011 12:27 AM, wrote:

What a bunch of nonsense. Feel free to blame the poor for your
problems.


In part, you bet the poor are part of the problem.

Stop voting for Obama greed appeal. When poor vote with their greed and
envy, they get sucked into a debt whore like Obama, then Obama blows it
on waste causing them to suffer. But being poor also in wisdom, they
vote for the fool that wasted their futures.

Obama doesn't give a cold dead rats ass about anybody, just his greed
for power. Don't mistake his using your envy/greed against you for a
vote for caring. If he cared, the budget balancing would have occurred
2 1/2 years ago and could have been small enough with less debt that SSI
could be spared. But add $4++ trillion of corruption spend, now the
cuts have to go deeper.

Stupid poor voters cut their own throats with their envy and greed.
"Obama will pay for may gas and mortgage..." Ya right. Just the
stupid, greedy, envious poor with a vote voting stupid.

Good grief. You're the one who needs to do a little research. SSI is
not just about retirement money. There are lots of reasons why SSI is
totally appropriate. Of course, since you're getting yours and nobody
is talking about taking yours away, you have no problem taking other
people's away. What a hypocrite.

Sure.. get rid of supporting the arts. I'm sure that's going to solve
our economic problems, but heck, don't touch big oil or farm
subsidies, and for GOD SAKE don't penalize companies who ship jobs
overseas!


If the arts are worth saving, it would be because they are profitable
and attract paying customers.

Subsidies should all be cut permanently. So let me appeal to your greed
here. Why should you do without because food is subsidized for export
to other countries?

Subsidies is just a form of evil corruption. It starts off meaning well
but always ends up being a waste.

Actually, your SSI is being taken away. Te whole idea of Bernanke fraud
is to create inflation faster than government raises SSI benefits. Say
I create 100% inflation but don't raise your SSI...then I have
effectively in value terms reduced my SSI obligation in 1/2 the value.

Yep, but you like Obama/Bernanke and other fraudsters and suck in their
bull**** like a vacuum. Yep, screwed by the very people you worship.

Makes you pathetic that you can't see it.
--
What government fears the most is that the people correctly learn that
they need government less than the government needs them.
Say no more debt, no more debt-slave taxes. Economic freedom matters too!


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