Sorry, I'm productive some 60 hours or so a week, were I am housing people, so
I don't feel guilty about being non-productive
when I paddle. I'm being purposely non-productive.

Thanks for jumping in, Larry. I'm going to bow out of this on-line
squabble after this posting, but I did want to add one more thing:
Even IF the only activities worth putting any effort into should be
"productive" ones, what about the simple fact that people who
regularly get out and do things they enjoy are overall happier and,
therefore, more productive?

Ben

On 15-Oct-2003, (Ben) wrote:

Even IF the only activities worth putting any effort into should be
"productive" ones, what about the simple fact that people who
regularly get out and do things they enjoy are overall happier and,
therefore, more productive?

Also healthier, which allows more productivity and less dependence
on health care systems.

All work and no play...

Mike

in article , Larry Cable at
ospam wrote on 10/14/03 6:35 PM:

way
whitewater paddling, and all non-transprotation paddling, and the world is
no worse off. reintroduce non-transportation paddling and the world is no
better off.

Sorry, I'm productive some 60 hours or so a week, were I am housing people, so
I don't feel guilty about being non-productive
when I paddle. I'm being purposely non-productive. BTW, is there anything
particularly productive about building a wooden boat that some one is going to
recreate in?

Hi Folks,

So by this definition, manufacture of liquor is productive, while actual
consumption is not? How does society have one without the other?

Hmmm... Troll, troll, troll...

Chuck
http://www.wildcountry.info

(William R. Watt) writes:

people drive two-and-a-half hours for an afternoon of paddling? and here
I am wondering why gasloine is in short supply and prices are
high.

Yes, it's all due to paddlers who make one weekly kayaking trip.
People who commute to work every day in SUVs have nothing to do with
it.

thanks
a lot.

You're quite welcome.

--
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Mary Malmros
Some days you're the windshield,
Other days you're the bug.

In my case it's all play and no work. I'm retired. Oh yeh, I'm from New
England and I paddle all year unless the temperature drops down into the
teens.

Jim Michaud



"Michael Daly" wrote in message
able.rogers.com...
| On 15-Oct-2003, (Ben) wrote:
|
| Even IF the only activities worth putting any effort into should be
| "productive" ones, what about the simple fact that people who
| regularly get out and do things they enjoy are overall happier and,
| therefore, more productive?
|
| Also healthier, which allows more productivity and less dependence
| on health care systems.
|
| All work and no play...
|
| Mike

(Ben) wrote:
It's got me wondering... Do
most WW paddlers keep going till the ice forms, pack it in as soon as
the leaves turn, or what? I'd probably still go if it was closer,
but...

Simple answer: temperature-wise, as long as the water is still moving,
you can find me on it, trying to paddle.

In practise, there are some limitations, one of them being a lack of
paddling buddies, or the amount of energy that it requires to get
paddling buddies to join me (I tend to prefer the company of others
when I'm paddling). Although sometimes my buddies don't like me to be
there with a camera when we paddle in the winter, just those wonderful
winter paddling pictures (if it doesn't snow too hard to take them :-)
) are sure worth it on their own, let alone seeing all of that live!
:-)

Some of my winter paddling pictures galleries:

http://wilko.webzone.ru/galler15.html

http://wilko.webzone.ru/galler16.html

http://wilko.webzone.ru/galler19.html

--
Wilko van den Bergh
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.
http://wilko.webzone.ru/

(William R. Watt) couldn't help himself and
spouted:

... For many of us, it's through
recreation that we achieve real spiritual fulfillment.

sorry, whitewater paddling is a testoterone thing, not a spiritual thing.
like sex and love. sex only feels like love. for a true spiritually
fullfilling recreational activity I recommend dog walking.

Wow, we have our own closed mind theorist here!

I hope you mind me saying so, but you sound a bit like the pope
talking about sex. Not very convincing...

As for (yet another of) your whitewater paddling assumptions: If
there's one thing I dislike, it's an adrenaline rush. I sure don't
paddle whitewater because of that, but because of things like
cameraderie, the feeling of being in touch with the river in so many
ways (definately spiritual as well), the feeling of concentrating so
hard on a line through a rapid and staying there exactly as I planned
it... There are many more reasons, but I doubt that you would be able
to comprehend those, seeing how much difficulty you already have
comprehending the basic reason why people enjoy white water paddling.

It is hard to be spiritual in the freezing dark while slogging through
knee deep snow. There's something that feels spiritual about sitting by a
warm fire.

Hmmm, you sure do not like to see outside of those blinders, do you
William? There is something very special about being out there in the
dark, and seeing the bright stars as well as all that snow everywhere,
that sure brings out something very spiritual inside me.

I certainly envy Albertans who don't pay provincial tax on gasoline or much of
anything else.

Coming from such a spiritual individual, I'm sure you can overcome the
envy of other people's monetary gains... :-)

--
Wilko van den Bergh
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.
http://wilko.webzone.ru/