Re-flooring my Marquis.
 

Had some old plywood getting soft in the center, and decided to re-do
the floor. when we pulled off the old carpet which was weathered
anyhow, we found out that in the times past someone had repaired the
floor by cutting out a center section and replacing it with standard
plywood. Evidently it had held for quite a while but it's days were
numbered. besides it gave us a chance to inspect the stringers and
other bracing etc.

So, after thinking about the re-floor, we decided to not go with
standard ply because it's not weather resistant, or marine due to the
expense, so we settled on "DRYPLY"

http://www.gp.com/build/product.aspx?pid=4882

A weather resistant plywood which has a lot of characteristics of
marine plywood but is more cost effective. Like $23.00 a 3/4 sheet at
Menards, and in stock too.

Regardless. It ought to last way longer than I'll ever have the boat.

Re-flooring my Marquis.
 

On Sun, 3 Jul 2011 13:48:21 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

Had some old plywood getting soft in the center, and decided to re-do
the floor. when we pulled off the old carpet which was weathered
anyhow, we found out that in the times past someone had repaired the
floor by cutting out a center section and replacing it with standard
plywood. Evidently it had held for quite a while but it's days were
numbered. besides it gave us a chance to inspect the stringers and
other bracing etc.

So, after thinking about the re-floor, we decided to not go with
standard ply because it's not weather resistant, or marine due to the
expense, so we settled on "DRYPLY"

http://www.gp.com/build/product.aspx?pid=4882

A weather resistant plywood which has a lot of characteristics of
marine plywood but is more cost effective. Like $23.00 a 3/4 sheet at
Menards, and in stock too.

Regardless. It ought to last way longer than I'll ever have the boat.

I sure hope you can post some pictures of the process. That would be interesting.

Re-flooring my Marquis.
 

On 7/3/2011 4:48 PM, Tim wrote:
Had some old plywood getting soft in the center, and decided to re-do
the floor. when we pulled off the old carpet which was weathered
anyhow, we found out that in the times past someone had repaired the
floor by cutting out a center section and replacing it with standard
plywood. Evidently it had held for quite a while but it's days were
numbered. besides it gave us a chance to inspect the stringers and
other bracing etc.

So, after thinking about the re-floor, we decided to not go with
standard ply because it's not weather resistant, or marine due to the
expense, so we settled on "DRYPLY"

http://www.gp.com/build/product.aspx?pid=4882

A weather resistant plywood which has a lot of characteristics of
marine plywood but is more cost effective. Like $23.00 a 3/4 sheet at
Menards, and in stock too.

Regardless. It ought to last way longer than I'll ever have the boat.

Have you considered not recarpeting and instead putting a non skid
coating on the plywood floor. Carpeting and upholstery in an open
cockpit is a high maintenance proposition'

Re-flooring my Marquis.
 

On Jul 3, 5:00*pm, Jay wrote:
On 7/3/2011 4:48 PM, Tim wrote:









Had some old plywood getting soft in the center, and decided to re-do
the floor. when we pulled off the old carpet which was weathered
anyhow, we found out that in the times past someone had repaired the
floor by cutting out a center section and replacing it with standard
plywood. Evidently it had held for quite a while but it's days were
numbered. besides it gave us a chance to inspect the stringers and
other bracing etc.

So, after thinking about the re-floor, we decided to not go with
standard ply because it's not weather resistant, or marine due to the
expense, so we settled on "DRYPLY"

http://www.gp.com/build/product.aspx?pid=4882

A weather resistant plywood which has a *lot of characteristics of
marine plywood but is more cost effective. Like $23.00 a 3/4 sheet at
Menards, and in stock too.

Regardless. It ought to last way longer than I'll ever have the boat.

Have you considered not recarpeting and instead putting a non skid
coating on the plywood floor. Carpeting and upholstery in an open
cockpit is a high maintenance proposition'

It was considered, but not to the point of stress. It's a trailer boat
that will go to the water then at the end of the day or weekend will
go back to the warehouse, so it's not going to be that big of a deal.
But I'd thought about that. and even lighter colored non-skid surfaces
get hot, so the carpet treatment will do ...

Re-flooring my Marquis.
 

On Jul 3, 4:45*pm, John H wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jul 2011 13:48:21 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
Had some old plywood getting soft in the center, and decided to re-do
the floor. when we pulled off the old carpet which was weathered
anyhow, we found out that in the times past someone had repaired the
floor by cutting out a center section and replacing it with standard
plywood. Evidently it had held for quite a while but it's days were
numbered. besides it gave us a chance to inspect the stringers and
other bracing etc.

So, after thinking about the re-floor, we decided to not go with
standard ply because it's not weather resistant, or marine due to the
expense, so we settled on "DRYPLY"

http://www.gp.com/build/product.aspx?pid=4882

A weather resistant plywood which has a *lot of characteristics of
marine plywood but is more cost effective. Like $23.00 a 3/4 sheet at
Menards, and in stock too.

Regardless. It ought to last way longer than I'll ever have the boat.

I sure hope you can post some pictures of the process. That would be interesting.

Wish I could John, but I'll see if I can get some shots of whats going
on tomorrow...

Re-flooring my Marquis.
 

Jay wrote:
On 7/3/2011 4:48 PM, Tim wrote:
Had some old plywood getting soft in the center, and decided to re-do
the floor. when we pulled off the old carpet which was weathered
anyhow, we found out that in the times past someone had repaired the
floor by cutting out a center section and replacing it with standard
plywood. Evidently it had held for quite a while but it's days were
numbered. besides it gave us a chance to inspect the stringers and
other bracing etc.

So, after thinking about the re-floor, we decided to not go with
standard ply because it's not weather resistant, or marine due to the
expense, so we settled on "DRYPLY"

http://www.gp.com/build/product.aspx?pid=4882

A weather resistant plywood which has a lot of characteristics of
marine plywood but is more cost effective. Like $23.00 a 3/4 sheet at
Menards, and in stock too.

Regardless. It ought to last way longer than I'll ever have the boat.

Have you considered not recarpeting and instead putting a non skid
coating on the plywood floor. Carpeting and upholstery in an open
cockpit is a high maintenance proposition'
Good point. There are epoxy coatings that would not only seal the
plywood but would make a great finish coat.

Re-flooring my Marquis.
 

On Sun, 3 Jul 2011 13:48:21 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Had some old plywood getting soft in the center, and decided to re-do
the floor. when we pulled off the old carpet which was weathered
anyhow, we found out that in the times past someone had repaired the
floor by cutting out a center section and replacing it with standard
plywood. Evidently it had held for quite a while but it's days were
numbered. besides it gave us a chance to inspect the stringers and
other bracing etc.

So, after thinking about the re-floor, we decided to not go with
standard ply because it's not weather resistant, or marine due to the
expense, so we settled on "DRYPLY"

http://www.gp.com/build/product.aspx?pid=4882

A weather resistant plywood which has a lot of characteristics of
marine plywood but is more cost effective. Like $23.00 a 3/4 sheet at
Menards, and in stock too.

Regardless. It ought to last way longer than I'll ever have the boat.

=================

It's a good idea to seal the edges with epoxy. That's usually the
first place that water damage starts.

Re-flooring my Marquis.
 

On Jul 3, 9:55*pm, Wayne B wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jul 2011 13:48:21 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:









Had some old plywood getting soft in the center, and decided to re-do
the floor. when we pulled off the old carpet which was weathered
anyhow, we found out that in the times past someone had repaired the
floor by cutting out a center section and replacing it with standard
plywood. Evidently it had held for quite a while but it's days were
numbered. besides it gave us a chance to inspect the stringers and
other bracing etc.

So, after thinking about the re-floor, we decided to not go with
standard ply because it's not weather resistant, or marine due to the
expense, so we settled on "DRYPLY"

http://www.gp.com/build/product.aspx?pid=4882

A weather resistant plywood which has a *lot of characteristics of
marine plywood but is more cost effective. Like $23.00 a 3/4 sheet at
Menards, and in stock too.

Regardless. It ought to last way longer than I'll ever have the boat.

=================

It's a good idea to seal the edges with epoxy. * That's usually the
first place that water damage starts.

We're on it Wayne. Oh it'll be assembled as a normal procedure, but
with the 'dryply' instead of marine wood....

That's pretty good. Have a blessed and great day guys!!!!

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"Tim" wrote in message
...

On Jul 3, 4:45 pm, John H wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jul 2011 13:48:21 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
Had some old plywood getting soft in the center, and decided to re-do
the floor. when we pulled off the old carpet which was weathered
anyhow, we found out that in the times past someone had repaired the
floor by cutting out a center section and replacing it with standard
plywood. Evidently it had held for quite a while but it's days were
numbered. besides it gave us a chance to inspect the stringers and
other bracing etc.

So, after thinking about the re-floor, we decided to not go with
standard ply because it's not weather resistant, or marine due to the
expense, so we settled on "DRYPLY"

http://www.gp.com/build/product.aspx?pid=4882

A weather resistant plywood which has a lot of characteristics of
marine plywood but is more cost effective. Like $23.00 a 3/4 sheet at
Menards, and in stock too.

Regardless. It ought to last way longer than I'll ever have the boat.

I sure hope you can post some pictures of the process. That would be
interesting.

Wish I could John, but I'll see if I can get some shots of whats going
on tomorrow...


Reply:
Make a frame to go across the gunnels to hold the boat in shape when the
flooring is removed. The deck is a structural member and the boat will
spread when it is removed.

Re-flooring my Marquis.
 

On Jul 4, 3:35*pm, "Califbill" wrote:
"Tim" *wrote in message

...

On Jul 3, 4:45 pm, John H wrote:









On Sun, 3 Jul 2011 13:48:21 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
Had some old plywood getting soft in the center, and decided to re-do
the floor. when we pulled off the old carpet which was weathered
anyhow, we found out that in the times past someone had repaired the
floor by cutting out a center section and replacing it with standard
plywood. Evidently it had held for quite a while but it's days were
numbered. besides it gave us a chance to inspect the stringers and
other bracing etc.

So, after thinking about the re-floor, we decided to not go with
standard ply because it's not weather resistant, or marine due to the
expense, so we settled on "DRYPLY"

http://www.gp.com/build/product.aspx?pid=4882

A weather resistant plywood which has a *lot of characteristics of
marine plywood but is more cost effective. Like $23.00 a 3/4 sheet at
Menards, and in stock too.

Regardless. It ought to last way longer than I'll ever have the boat.

I sure hope you can post some pictures of the process. That would be
interesting.

Wish I could John, but I'll see if I can get some shots of whats going
on tomorrow...

Reply:
Make a frame to go across the gunnels to hold the boat in shape when the
flooring is removed. *The deck is a structural member and the boat will
spread when it is removed.

We didn't remove the entire floor. everything is still in place. We
simply pulled the carpet (in rags!) and saw that someone had replaced
a center section with the cheap plywood. all braces and stringers look
great, so total removal of the floor was unnecessary.

Re-flooring my Marquis.
 

On Jul 5, 1:31*am, Tim wrote:
On Jul 4, 3:35*pm, "Califbill" wrote:





"Tim" *wrote in message

...

On Jul 3, 4:45 pm, John H wrote:

On Sun, 3 Jul 2011 13:48:21 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
Had some old plywood getting soft in the center, and decided to re-do
the floor. when we pulled off the old carpet which was weathered
anyhow, we found out that in the times past someone had repaired the
floor by cutting out a center section and replacing it with standard
plywood. Evidently it had held for quite a while but it's days were
numbered. besides it gave us a chance to inspect the stringers and
other bracing etc.

So, after thinking about the re-floor, we decided to not go with
standard ply because it's not weather resistant, or marine due to the
expense, so we settled on "DRYPLY"

http://www.gp.com/build/product.aspx?pid=4882

A weather resistant plywood which has a *lot of characteristics of
marine plywood but is more cost effective. Like $23.00 a 3/4 sheet at
Menards, and in stock too.

Regardless. It ought to last way longer than I'll ever have the boat..

I sure hope you can post some pictures of the process. That would be
interesting.

Wish I could John, but I'll see if I can get some shots of whats going
on tomorrow...

Reply:
Make a frame to go across the gunnels to hold the boat in shape when the
flooring is removed. *The deck is a structural member and the boat will
spread when it is removed.

We didn't remove the entire floor. everything is still in place. We
simply pulled the carpet (in rags!) and saw that someone had replaced
a center section with the cheap plywood. all braces and stringers look
great, so total removal of the floor was unnecessary.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You can't evaluate a stringer by looking at it unless it's not
encapsulated with fiberglass. I'm betting yours are. You have to
drill a test hole in it and see if you get mush or wood out of the
hole. Fill the hole with epoxy and any filler afterwards.

Re-flooring my Marquis.
 

On Jul 5, 1:31*am, Tim wrote:
On Jul 4, 3:35*pm, "Califbill" wrote:





"Tim" *wrote in message

...

On Jul 3, 4:45 pm, John H wrote:

On Sun, 3 Jul 2011 13:48:21 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
Had some old plywood getting soft in the center, and decided to re-do
the floor. when we pulled off the old carpet which was weathered
anyhow, we found out that in the times past someone had repaired the
floor by cutting out a center section and replacing it with standard
plywood. Evidently it had held for quite a while but it's days were
numbered. besides it gave us a chance to inspect the stringers and
other bracing etc.

So, after thinking about the re-floor, we decided to not go with
standard ply because it's not weather resistant, or marine due to the
expense, so we settled on "DRYPLY"

http://www.gp.com/build/product.aspx?pid=4882

A weather resistant plywood which has a *lot of characteristics of
marine plywood but is more cost effective. Like $23.00 a 3/4 sheet at
Menards, and in stock too.

Regardless. It ought to last way longer than I'll ever have the boat..

I sure hope you can post some pictures of the process. That would be
interesting.

Wish I could John, but I'll see if I can get some shots of whats going
on tomorrow...

Reply:
Make a frame to go across the gunnels to hold the boat in shape when the
flooring is removed. *The deck is a structural member and the boat will
spread when it is removed.

We didn't remove the entire floor. everything is still in place. We
simply pulled the carpet (in rags!) and saw that someone had replaced
a center section with the cheap plywood. all braces and stringers look
great, so total removal of the floor was unnecessary.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You can't tell if the wood inside a stringer is rotten by looking at
it. You have to drill test holes.

Re-flooring my Marquis.
 

On Jul 5, 7:26*am, jamesgangnc wrote:
On Jul 5, 1:31*am, Tim wrote:









On Jul 4, 3:35*pm, "Califbill" wrote:

"Tim" *wrote in message

....

On Jul 3, 4:45 pm, John H wrote:

On Sun, 3 Jul 2011 13:48:21 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
Had some old plywood getting soft in the center, and decided to re-do
the floor. when we pulled off the old carpet which was weathered
anyhow, we found out that in the times past someone had repaired the
floor by cutting out a center section and replacing it with standard
plywood. Evidently it had held for quite a while but it's days were
numbered. besides it gave us a chance to inspect the stringers and
other bracing etc.

So, after thinking about the re-floor, we decided to not go with
standard ply because it's not weather resistant, or marine due to the
expense, so we settled on "DRYPLY"

http://www.gp.com/build/product.aspx?pid=4882

A weather resistant plywood which has a *lot of characteristics of
marine plywood but is more cost effective. Like $23.00 a 3/4 sheet at
Menards, and in stock too.

Regardless. It ought to last way longer than I'll ever have the boat.

I sure hope you can post some pictures of the process. That would be
interesting.

Wish I could John, but I'll see if I can get some shots of whats going
on tomorrow...

Reply:
Make a frame to go across the gunnels to hold the boat in shape when the
flooring is removed. *The deck is a structural member and the boat will
spread when it is removed.

We didn't remove the entire floor. everything is still in place. We
simply pulled the carpet (in rags!) and saw that someone had replaced
a center section with the cheap plywood. all braces and stringers look
great, so total removal of the floor was unnecessary.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You can't tell if the wood inside a stringer is rotten by looking at
it. *You have to drill test holes.

we sounded them with a hammer.

Now this isn't a perfect job where the boat is going to be in pristine
condition. it's an old boat and I'm going to get a few more years out
of it, So, I can't see stripping the hull , restoring it and buying
the boat three times over.

Re-flooring my Marquis.
 

On Jul 5, 6:58*am, jamesgangnc wrote:
On Jul 5, 1:31*am, Tim wrote:









On Jul 4, 3:35*pm, "Califbill" wrote:

"Tim" *wrote in message

....

On Jul 3, 4:45 pm, John H wrote:

On Sun, 3 Jul 2011 13:48:21 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
Had some old plywood getting soft in the center, and decided to re-do
the floor. when we pulled off the old carpet which was weathered
anyhow, we found out that in the times past someone had repaired the
floor by cutting out a center section and replacing it with standard
plywood. Evidently it had held for quite a while but it's days were
numbered. besides it gave us a chance to inspect the stringers and
other bracing etc.

So, after thinking about the re-floor, we decided to not go with
standard ply because it's not weather resistant, or marine due to the
expense, so we settled on "DRYPLY"

http://www.gp.com/build/product.aspx?pid=4882

A weather resistant plywood which has a *lot of characteristics of
marine plywood but is more cost effective. Like $23.00 a 3/4 sheet at
Menards, and in stock too.

Regardless. It ought to last way longer than I'll ever have the boat.

I sure hope you can post some pictures of the process. That would be
interesting.

Wish I could John, but I'll see if I can get some shots of whats going
on tomorrow...

Reply:
Make a frame to go across the gunnels to hold the boat in shape when the
flooring is removed. *The deck is a structural member and the boat will
spread when it is removed.

We didn't remove the entire floor. everything is still in place. We
simply pulled the carpet (in rags!) and saw that someone had replaced
a center section with the cheap plywood. all braces and stringers look
great, so total removal of the floor was unnecessary.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You can't evaluate a stringer by looking at it unless it's not
encapsulated with fiberglass. *I'm betting yours are. *You have to
drill a test hole in it and see if you get mush or wood out of the
hole. *Fill the hole with epoxy and any filler afterwards.

We found that out. The last people who did the center floor did a
pretty mediocre job at best with wood strips resting on the fuel tank
and hardly touching the plywood flooring. needles to say that didn't
work, because the wood wasn't anchored and shifted, so after making
some new bracing for the floor we anchored the bracing into the
stringers with 1" stainless wood screws. They went in like iron and
nothing stripped or went in loosely. I'm confident the stringers are
fine.

Re-flooring my Marquis.
 

On Jul 5, 7:23*pm, Tim wrote:
On Jul 5, 6:58*am, jamesgangnc wrote:





On Jul 5, 1:31*am, Tim wrote:

On Jul 4, 3:35*pm, "Califbill" wrote:

"Tim" *wrote in message

...

On Jul 3, 4:45 pm, John H wrote:

On Sun, 3 Jul 2011 13:48:21 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
Had some old plywood getting soft in the center, and decided to re-do
the floor. when we pulled off the old carpet which was weathered
anyhow, we found out that in the times past someone had repaired the
floor by cutting out a center section and replacing it with standard
plywood. Evidently it had held for quite a while but it's days were
numbered. besides it gave us a chance to inspect the stringers and
other bracing etc.

So, after thinking about the re-floor, we decided to not go with
standard ply because it's not weather resistant, or marine due to the
expense, so we settled on "DRYPLY"

http://www.gp.com/build/product.aspx?pid=4882

A weather resistant plywood which has a *lot of characteristics of
marine plywood but is more cost effective. Like $23.00 a 3/4 sheet at
Menards, and in stock too.

Regardless. It ought to last way longer than I'll ever have the boat.

I sure hope you can post some pictures of the process. That would be
interesting.

Wish I could John, but I'll see if I can get some shots of whats going
on tomorrow...

Reply:
Make a frame to go across the gunnels to hold the boat in shape when the
flooring is removed. *The deck is a structural member and the boat will
spread when it is removed.

We didn't remove the entire floor. everything is still in place. We
simply pulled the carpet (in rags!) and saw that someone had replaced
a center section with the cheap plywood. all braces and stringers look
great, so total removal of the floor was unnecessary.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You can't evaluate a stringer by looking at it unless it's not
encapsulated with fiberglass. *I'm betting yours are. *You have to
drill a test hole in it and see if you get mush or wood out of the
hole. *Fill the hole with epoxy and any filler afterwards.

We found that out. The last people who did the center floor did a
pretty mediocre job at best with wood strips resting *on the fuel tank
and hardly touching the plywood flooring. needles to say that didn't
work, because the wood wasn't anchored and shifted, so after making
some new bracing for the floor we anchored the bracing into the
stringers with 1" stainless wood screws. They went in like iron and
nothing stripped or went in loosely. *I'm confident the stringers are
fine.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Not a valid indication. The outside fiberglass would be what the
screws were biting into the most. You're just guesing that the
stringers are fine. But I see your point on cost return. Few boats
are worth tearing out the entire floor and replacing stringers. And
much of the stringer strength is from the fiberglass, not the original
wood on boats less than 25 ft. Particularly older boats where
fiberglass was laid on pretty heavy as well. As long as it is cloth
or mat and not just sprayed on from a chopper gun. Some newer boats
use fiberglass I beams as stringers with no wood at all.

Re-flooring my Marquis.
 

On Wed, 6 Jul 2011 06:16:43 -0700 (PDT), jamesgangnc
wrote:

Some newer boats
use fiberglass I beams as stringers with no wood at all.

I used to own a boat called a Winner 24. It was a cuddy cabin
runabout built in 1978. The stringers were fiberglass laid over a
foam core and were still like new when I got rid of it several years
ago.

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On Jul 6, 8:16*am, jamesgangnc wrote:
On Jul 5, 7:23*pm, Tim wrote:









On Jul 5, 6:58*am, jamesgangnc wrote:

On Jul 5, 1:31*am, Tim wrote:

On Jul 4, 3:35*pm, "Califbill" wrote:

"Tim" *wrote in message

...

On Jul 3, 4:45 pm, John H wrote:

On Sun, 3 Jul 2011 13:48:21 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
Had some old plywood getting soft in the center, and decided to re-do
the floor. when we pulled off the old carpet which was weathered
anyhow, we found out that in the times past someone had repaired the
floor by cutting out a center section and replacing it with standard
plywood. Evidently it had held for quite a while but it's days were
numbered. besides it gave us a chance to inspect the stringers and
other bracing etc.

So, after thinking about the re-floor, we decided to not go with
standard ply because it's not weather resistant, or marine due to the
expense, so we settled on "DRYPLY"

http://www.gp.com/build/product.aspx?pid=4882

A weather resistant plywood which has a *lot of characteristics of
marine plywood but is more cost effective. Like $23.00 a 3/4 sheet at
Menards, and in stock too.

Regardless. It ought to last way longer than I'll ever have the boat.

I sure hope you can post some pictures of the process. That would be
interesting.

Wish I could John, but I'll see if I can get some shots of whats going
on tomorrow...

Reply:
Make a frame to go across the gunnels to hold the boat in shape when the
flooring is removed. *The deck is a structural member and the boat will
spread when it is removed.

We didn't remove the entire floor. everything is still in place. We
simply pulled the carpet (in rags!) and saw that someone had replaced
a center section with the cheap plywood. all braces and stringers look
great, so total removal of the floor was unnecessary.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You can't evaluate a stringer by looking at it unless it's not
encapsulated with fiberglass. *I'm betting yours are. *You have to
drill a test hole in it and see if you get mush or wood out of the
hole. *Fill the hole with epoxy and any filler afterwards.

We found that out. The last people who did the center floor did a
pretty mediocre job at best with wood strips resting *on the fuel tank
and hardly touching the plywood flooring. needles to say that didn't
work, because the wood wasn't anchored and shifted, so after making
some new bracing for the floor we anchored the bracing into the
stringers with 1" stainless wood screws. They went in like iron and
nothing stripped or went in loosely. *I'm confident the stringers are
fine.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Not a valid indication. *The outside fiberglass would be what the
screws were biting into the most. *You're just guesing that the
stringers are fine. *But I see your point on cost return. *Few boats
are worth tearing out the entire floor and replacing stringers. *And
much of the stringer strength is from the fiberglass, not the original
wood on boats less than 25 ft. *Particularly older boats where
fiberglass was laid on pretty heavy as well. *As long as it is cloth
or mat and not just sprayed on from a chopper gun. *Some newer boats
use fiberglass I beams as stringers with no wood at all.

This Marquis was a well built boat in it's day and was well
maintained, but not perfectly. I will say in it's defense that it
wasn't left out in the weather. It was used then trailered out and
kept in shelter. The original interior wasn't weather rotten or
dilapidated. The center floor was soft due to being replaced
amateurishly with cheap plywood, There was a generously heavy coating
of woven fiberglass on the stringers. from past experience doing wood
work on my old garage, when I ran screws into the wood and the screws
went in too easily, spun out auguring sawdust as they went, that meant
the wood was soft and/or rotten. Not these. It really is solid. Or at
least solid enough.

The boat hull should last me several years or until I decide to do
something different. and besides. If it played out, I could still
salvage the 305 GM, alpha 1 and trailer and still get more for the
pieces than I paid for the whole rig.

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On Jul 6, 4:22*pm, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jul 2011 06:16:43 -0700 (PDT), jamesgangnc

wrote:
Some newer boats
use fiberglass I beams as stringers with no wood at all.

I used to own a boat called a Winner 24. *It was a *cuddy cabin
runabout built in 1978. *The stringers were fiberglass laid over a
foam core and were still like new when I got rid of it several years
ago.

I can believe it.

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"Tim" wrote in message
...


Hey Tim ...... here's my "Marquis" ;

http://www.re-tunes.net/2006D-45.html

Eisboch

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On Jul 6, 9:52*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Tim" *wrote in message

...

Hey Tim ...... *here's my "Marquis" ;

http://www.re-tunes.net/2006D-45.html

Eisboch

Yeah Rich! That's worth more than my boat! BTW, that's a succulent
Taylor you posted too!

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In article ,
says...

"Tim" wrote in message
...


Hey Tim ...... here's my "Marquis" ;

http://www.re-tunes.net/2006D-45.html

Eisboch

It's a beauty!

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On Jul 6, 5:22*pm, Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jul 2011 06:16:43 -0700 (PDT), jamesgangnc

wrote:
Some newer boats
use fiberglass I beams as stringers with no wood at all.

I used to own a boat called a Winner 24. *It was a *cuddy cabin
runabout built in 1978. *The stringers were fiberglass laid over a
foam core and were still like new when I got rid of it several years
ago.

The only purpose of the foam was to create a temporary frame for the
fiberglass to be laid up on. The foam doesn't contribute to the final
results and it doesn't matter what happens to it. The fiberglass is
essentially the stringer. In some cases with wood encapsulated
stringers you end up with the same thing. There is so much fiberglass
that it doesn't matter much what happens to the wood. Particularly on
older boats where they used to really lay on a lot of glass. The
problems come about in situations where the builder was trying to keep
the boat light and on larger boats. Fresh water boats are worse as
salt water acts as a wood preservative. And all the wood eventually
will get wet. Screws holes are the worst sources of water penetration
but polyester fiberglass is not water proof so even a perfectly
encapsulated piece of wood will eventually get wet if the outside is
routinely exposed to water. Epoxy is a far better product to use for
encapsulating wood but it costs many times what polyester resin
costs. A lot more builders today are leaving wood out entirely.
David Pascoe has a lot of great information out there on what goes
wrong with wood/fiberglass boats.

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On Wed, 6 Jul 2011 22:52:35 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote:



"Tim" wrote in message
...


Hey Tim ...... here's my "Marquis" ;

http://www.re-tunes.net/2006D-45.html

Eisboch

Hey Rich - remember that problem I had with the air-conditioner in the travel trailer? I replaced
the circuit breaker. The damn thing has been working like a champ ever since, even in several
over-90 degree days. Sometimes the solution *can* be simple.

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On 7/7/2011 4:17 PM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jul 2011 22:52:35 -0400, wrote:


"Tim" wrote in message
...


Hey Tim ...... here's my "Marquis" ;

http://www.re-tunes.net/2006D-45.html

Eisboch
Hey Rich - remember that problem I had with the air-conditioner in the travel trailer? I replaced
the circuit breaker. The damn thing has been working like a champ ever since, even in several
over-90 degree days. Sometimes the solution *can* be simple.
Was that the breaker in the camper or the supply breaker in the garage?

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On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 18:03:31 -0400, Florida Jim wrote:

On 7/7/2011 4:17 PM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jul 2011 22:52:35 -0400, wrote:


"Tim" wrote in message
...


Hey Tim ...... here's my "Marquis" ;

http://www.re-tunes.net/2006D-45.html

Eisboch
Hey Rich - remember that problem I had with the air-conditioner in the travel trailer? I replaced
the circuit breaker. The damn thing has been working like a champ ever since, even in several
over-90 degree days. Sometimes the solution *can* be simple.
Was that the breaker in the camper or the supply breaker in the garage?

The breaker in the camper. We bought the camper new, but this circuit breaker wasn't newly
installed. It had several marks on it made by screwdrivers in the past. It's never gone out since
the replacement.

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On 7/7/2011 7:22 PM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 18:03:31 -0400, Florida wrote:

On 7/7/2011 4:17 PM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jul 2011 22:52:35 -0400, wrote:

"Tim" wrote in message
...


Hey Tim ...... here's my "Marquis" ;

http://www.re-tunes.net/2006D-45.html

Eisboch
Hey Rich - remember that problem I had with the air-conditioner in the travel trailer? I replaced
the circuit breaker. The damn thing has been working like a champ ever since, even in several
over-90 degree days. Sometimes the solution *can* be simple.
Was that the breaker in the camper or the supply breaker in the garage?
The breaker in the camper. We bought the camper new, but this circuit breaker wasn't newly
installed. It had several marks on it made by screwdrivers in the past. It's never gone out since
the replacement.
That's weird. If I recall correctly, the Air worked at home but not at
campsites, or visa versa

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On Jul 3, 3:48*pm, Tim wrote:
Had some old plywood getting soft in the center, and decided to re-do
the floor. when we pulled off the old carpet which was weathered
anyhow, we found out that in the times past someone had repaired the
floor by cutting out a center section and replacing it with standard
plywood. Evidently it had held for quite a while but it's days were
numbered. besides it gave us a chance to inspect the stringers and
other bracing etc.

So, after thinking about the re-floor, we decided to not go with
standard ply because it's not weather resistant, or marine due to the
expense, so we settled on "DRYPLY"

http://www.gp.com/build/product.aspx?pid=4882

A weather resistant plywood which has a *lot of characteristics of
marine plywood but is more cost effective. Like $23.00 a 3/4 sheet at
Menards, and in stock too.

Regardless. It ought to last way longer than I'll ever have the boat.

It's 70 degrees as of so far, and rained all night and is to be much
cooler than it has been. Hopefully Jimmy and I can get the boat
flooring finished out today Carpet glued in, then I can start my re-
wiring before we install the seats.. Even with a box fan blowing down
on us, it's still been miserable working in the belly of that tub!

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On 7/8/11 7:29 AM, Tim wrote:
On Jul 3, 3:48 pm, wrote:
Had some old plywood getting soft in the center, and decided to re-do
the floor. when we pulled off the old carpet which was weathered
anyhow, we found out that in the times past someone had repaired the
floor by cutting out a center section and replacing it with standard
plywood. Evidently it had held for quite a while but it's days were
numbered. besides it gave us a chance to inspect the stringers and
other bracing etc.

So, after thinking about the re-floor, we decided to not go with
standard ply because it's not weather resistant, or marine due to the
expense, so we settled on "DRYPLY"

http://www.gp.com/build/product.aspx?pid=4882

A weather resistant plywood which has a lot of characteristics of
marine plywood but is more cost effective. Like $23.00 a 3/4 sheet at
Menards, and in stock too.

Regardless. It ought to last way longer than I'll ever have the boat.

It's 70 degrees as of so far, and rained all night and is to be much
cooler than it has been. Hopefully Jimmy and I can get the boat
flooring finished out today Carpet glued in, then I can start my re-
wiring before we install the seats.. Even with a box fan blowing down
on us, it's still been miserable working in the belly of that tub!


Not to worry, Tim...by your estimated completion date of 13 December,
it'll be nice and cool and you'll be able to try out the ice skate
attachments on the bottom of the pontoons, with the box fan providing
the necessary thrust. :)

--
Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where
personal insults are not allowed?

http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing

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On Jul 8, 6:40*am, Harryk wrote:
On 7/8/11 7:29 AM, Tim wrote:









On Jul 3, 3:48 pm, *wrote:
Had some old plywood getting soft in the center, and decided to re-do
the floor. when we pulled off the old carpet which was weathered
anyhow, we found out that in the times past someone had repaired the
floor by cutting out a center section and replacing it with standard
plywood. Evidently it had held for quite a while but it's days were
numbered. besides it gave us a chance to inspect the stringers and
other bracing etc.

So, after thinking about the re-floor, we decided to not go with
standard ply because it's not weather resistant, or marine due to the
expense, so we settled on "DRYPLY"

http://www.gp.com/build/product.aspx?pid=4882

A weather resistant plywood which has a *lot of characteristics of
marine plywood but is more cost effective. Like $23.00 a 3/4 sheet at
Menards, and in stock too.

Regardless. It ought to last way longer than I'll ever have the boat.

It's 70 degrees as of so far, and rained all night and is to be much
cooler than it has been. Hopefully Jimmy and I can get the boat
flooring finished out today Carpet glued in, then I can start my re-
wiring before we install the seats.. Even with a box fan blowing down
on us, it's still *been miserable working in the belly of that tub!

Not to worry, Tim...by your estimated completion date of 13 December,
it'll be nice and cool and you'll be able to try out the ice skate
attachments on the bottom of the pontoons, with the box fan providing
the necessary thrust. :)

--


LOL! That's a great idea!

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On 7/8/2011 7:40 AM, Harryk wrote:
On 7/8/11 7:29 AM, Tim wrote:
On Jul 3, 3:48 pm, wrote:
Had some old plywood getting soft in the center, and decided to re-do
the floor. when we pulled off the old carpet which was weathered
anyhow, we found out that in the times past someone had repaired the
floor by cutting out a center section and replacing it with standard
plywood. Evidently it had held for quite a while but it's days were
numbered. besides it gave us a chance to inspect the stringers and
other bracing etc.

So, after thinking about the re-floor, we decided to not go with
standard ply because it's not weather resistant, or marine due to the
expense, so we settled on "DRYPLY"

http://www.gp.com/build/product.aspx?pid=4882

A weather resistant plywood which has a lot of characteristics of
marine plywood but is more cost effective. Like $23.00 a 3/4 sheet at
Menards, and in stock too.

Regardless. It ought to last way longer than I'll ever have the boat.

It's 70 degrees as of so far, and rained all night and is to be much
cooler than it has been. Hopefully Jimmy and I can get the boat
flooring finished out today Carpet glued in, then I can start my re-
wiring before we install the seats.. Even with a box fan blowing down
on us, it's still been miserable working in the belly of that tub!


Not to worry, Tim...by your estimated completion date of 13 December,
it'll be nice and cool and you'll be able to try out the ice skate
attachments on the bottom of the pontoons, with the box fan providing
the necessary thrust. :)


Man! That was snarky.

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On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 20:39:08 -0400, Florida Jim wrote:

On 7/7/2011 7:22 PM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 18:03:31 -0400, Florida wrote:

On 7/7/2011 4:17 PM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jul 2011 22:52:35 -0400, wrote:

"Tim" wrote in message
...


Hey Tim ...... here's my "Marquis" ;

http://www.re-tunes.net/2006D-45.html

Eisboch
Hey Rich - remember that problem I had with the air-conditioner in the travel trailer? I replaced
the circuit breaker. The damn thing has been working like a champ ever since, even in several
over-90 degree days. Sometimes the solution *can* be simple.
Was that the breaker in the camper or the supply breaker in the garage?
The breaker in the camper. We bought the camper new, but this circuit breaker wasn't newly
installed. It had several marks on it made by screwdrivers in the past. It's never gone out since
the replacement.
That's weird. If I recall correctly, the Air worked at home but not at
campsites, or visa versa

It gave us problems on one of our first trips to Virginia Beach, when the temp was in the 90's. It
would pop the circuit breaker. We had the same problem when we got home, on hot days. I cleaned the
coils and did what everyone suggested, except take it to a dealer. Then I took out the circuit
breaker and replaced it. Problem solved, but some folks thought that couldn't be the solution.
Turned out it was. Been working great ever since.

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On Fri, 8 Jul 2011 04:29:30 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Jul 3, 3:48*pm, Tim wrote:
Had some old plywood getting soft in the center, and decided to re-do
the floor. when we pulled off the old carpet which was weathered
anyhow, we found out that in the times past someone had repaired the
floor by cutting out a center section and replacing it with standard
plywood. Evidently it had held for quite a while but it's days were
numbered. besides it gave us a chance to inspect the stringers and
other bracing etc.

So, after thinking about the re-floor, we decided to not go with
standard ply because it's not weather resistant, or marine due to the
expense, so we settled on "DRYPLY"

http://www.gp.com/build/product.aspx?pid=4882

A weather resistant plywood which has a *lot of characteristics of
marine plywood but is more cost effective. Like $23.00 a 3/4 sheet at
Menards, and in stock too.

Regardless. It ought to last way longer than I'll ever have the boat.

It's 70 degrees as of so far, and rained all night and is to be much
cooler than it has been. Hopefully Jimmy and I can get the boat
flooring finished out today Carpet glued in, then I can start my re-
wiring before we install the seats.. Even with a box fan blowing down
on us, it's still been miserable working in the belly of that tub!

Hopefully we'll get some of that rain. I'm getting tired of watering the grass. We've not had a
quarter inch in over two weeks. For some reason these damn storms go just north or just south of us.

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Didn't get much done on the Marquis today. My carpenter buddy had some
appointments to take care of, so that canceled the day, but it would
have been great cool weather to finish the floor. But that's alright.
I'm re evaluating how i want the interior to be. Just making some
space-saving modifications.

BTW Thanks John for the Garmin 4000 series discussion today. pretty
interesting stuff.

Tim

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My carpenter buddy, Jimmy and I got the new carped glued in today. man
it's gonna look good. had to quit because of the heat in the building.
besides we got most of the dirty work done and the carpet glue should
have a good stand over the weekend.

Instead of having the two forward seats on pillars like original, i
got thinking that mounting them on boxes would help use up a lot of
dead space underneath, and I remember seeing a restore/modification a
guy did to a cool looking SleekCraft on Iboats.com, and I got a good
idea of what I wanted. Jimmy said it wouldn't be a problem....

From something like this:

http://www.thehulltruth.com/attachme...in-boat-25.jpg

To something like this...

http://lasvegaspix.com/projects/slee...s/IMG_1848.jpg

May as well use the open space for decent storage.

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On Sat, 9 Jul 2011 13:03:50 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

My carpenter buddy, Jimmy and I got the new carped glued in today. man
it's gonna look good. had to quit because of the heat in the building.
besides we got most of the dirty work done and the carpet glue should
have a good stand over the weekend.

Instead of having the two forward seats on pillars like original, i
got thinking that mounting them on boxes would help use up a lot of
dead space underneath, and I remember seeing a restore/modification a
guy did to a cool looking SleekCraft on Iboats.com, and I got a good
idea of what I wanted. Jimmy said it wouldn't be a problem....

From something like this:

http://www.thehulltruth.com/attachme...in-boat-25.jpg

To something like this...

http://lasvegaspix.com/projects/slee...s/IMG_1848.jpg

May as well use the open space for decent storage.



My old Winner 24 had the seats on boxes and there was a lot of storage
space inside of each. There was also a fold down foot rest on the
front of each box which was at a comfortable height. You might be
able to get some low rise swivel seats which would be a nice touch.

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On Jul 9, 4:29*pm, Wayne B wrote:
On Sat, 9 Jul 2011 13:03:50 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:









My carpenter buddy, Jimmy and I got the new carped glued in today. man
it's gonna look good. had to quit because of the heat in the building.
besides we got most of the dirty work done and the carpet glue should
have a good stand over the weekend.

Instead of having the two forward seats on pillars like original, i
got thinking that mounting them on boxes would help use up a lot of
dead space underneath, and I remember seeing a restore/modification a
guy did to a cool looking SleekCraft on Iboats.com, and I got a good
idea of what I wanted. Jimmy said it wouldn't be a problem....

From something like this:

http://www.thehulltruth.com/attachme...ed/59990-1984-...

To something like this...

http://lasvegaspix.com/projects/slee...s/IMG_1848.jpg

May as well use the open space for decent storage.

My old Winner 24 had the seats on boxes and there was a lot of storage
space inside of each. * There was also a fold down foot rest on the
front of each box which was at a comfortable height. * You might be
able to get some low rise swivel seats which would be a nice touch.

Wayne, we're thinking of taking the pillars off the original seats and
putting swivels on them then mounting to the top of a box. only thing
is, I'm sure someone makes a 'locking' swivel out there, but just
gotta look for it. I suppose.

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On Fri, 8 Jul 2011 18:15:29 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

Didn't get much done on the Marquis today. My carpenter buddy had some
appointments to take care of, so that canceled the day, but it would
have been great cool weather to finish the floor. But that's alright.
I'm re evaluating how i want the interior to be. Just making some
space-saving modifications.

BTW Thanks John for the Garmin 4000 series discussion today. pretty
interesting stuff.

Tim


No sweat. Actually it was the 400 series. I love mine now that I've found the problem, and I'm sure
the problem was caused by the dealer who installed the unit. Works great now.

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On Fri, 8 Jul 2011 18:15:29 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

Didn't get much done on the Marquis today. My carpenter buddy had some
appointments to take care of, so that canceled the day, but it would
have been great cool weather to finish the floor. But that's alright.
I'm re evaluating how i want the interior to be. Just making some
space-saving modifications.

BTW Thanks John for the Garmin 4000 series discussion today. pretty
interesting stuff.

Tim


Tim, you might find this interesting also:

http://www.lrd.usace.army.mil/navigation/navcharts/

Scroll down towards the bottom of the page and you'll see the Ohio River section of PDF charts.

There you'll find links such as:

http://www.lrd.usace.army.mil/_kd/It...ion=S howItem

....which has one hell of a lot of info about the Ohio River.

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On Sat, 9 Jul 2011 15:19:34 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

On Jul 9, 4:29*pm, Wayne B wrote:
On Sat, 9 Jul 2011 13:03:50 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:









My carpenter buddy, Jimmy and I got the new carped glued in today. man
it's gonna look good. had to quit because of the heat in the building.
besides we got most of the dirty work done and the carpet glue should
have a good stand over the weekend.

Instead of having the two forward seats on pillars like original, i
got thinking that mounting them on boxes would help use up a lot of
dead space underneath, and I remember seeing a restore/modification a
guy did to a cool looking SleekCraft on Iboats.com, and I got a good
idea of what I wanted. Jimmy said it wouldn't be a problem....

From something like this:

http://www.thehulltruth.com/attachme...ed/59990-1984-...

To something like this...

http://lasvegaspix.com/projects/slee...s/IMG_1848.jpg

May as well use the open space for decent storage.

My old Winner 24 had the seats on boxes and there was a lot of storage
space inside of each. * There was also a fold down foot rest on the
front of each box which was at a comfortable height. * You might be
able to get some low rise swivel seats which would be a nice touch.

Wayne, we're thinking of taking the pillars off the original seats and
putting swivels on them then mounting to the top of a box. only thing
is, I'm sure someone makes a 'locking' swivel out there, but just
gotta look for it. I suppose.


Like this?

http://tinyurl.com/6cpelkf