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Oh, and thanks for the offer Brian, but I'm in Seattle.
(Blankibr) wrote in message ... I don't know who put a burr under Mr. Watts saddle, but if you are in the Maryland area, I would be happy to teach you the skills for free at one of the Chesapeake Paddlers Association pool sessions. Brian Blankinship |
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" John Q Adams" typed:
In 1979, when my son and I learned to kayak, we were taught the basic art ... by volunteer instructors who were members of the San Francisco River Touring Chapter of the Sierra Club. [snip happens] [snip happens] The training I saw other kayakers getting from "professional" instructors was far below the standard of the SF River Touring Chapter of the Sierra Club. You were very fortunate in that, John Q. I was similarly fortunate when I started out, by getting six full days of instruction for (IIRC) $25 from The Canoe Cruisers' Ass'n of Washington DC. One of my instructors was the late, great Roger Corbett. This training got me safely onto the water where I could spend a coupla years developing the basic skills I had been taught. But, over time, it became clear that advancing to Class III+ whitewater in an open canoe would seriously stress the knowlege and technique I had gained in that class, and I spent three weeks, over a two-year period, at the Nantahala Outdoor Center. The wealthy certified instructors were terrific paddlers and pretty fair instructors, working for a pittance that might not have exceeded the Federally defined poverty-level income. I was an elitist who was able to squander under US$600 for a five-day vacation that included lodging, wonderful food, any equipment I wanted to demo, activity packed days, and all local transportation... in addition to first-class paddling instruction. You could never get such value from a Club Med, or an ocean cruise, or any other "everything-included" vacation. My paddling skills increased greatly. But, over time, it became clear that advancing to the occasional Class V rapid I was canoeing could be done with considerably more style and grace than I was exhibiting, and I started taking an annual three-day clinic from Bob Foote, who helped develop the curriculum for the ACA instruction program. Foote's classes marked a significant step forward for me, inasmuch as he had studied techniques of teaching in addition to his subject matter. And he had applied a rigorous analysis to the sport of whitewater canoeing; rather as high-end trainers study the ergonomics and mechanics of track and swimming skills to maximize the performance of their athletes. $150 for three full, intense days, usually spending the first on a lake to work on pure stroke technique. I'll bet this wealthy certified instructor earns a princely US$20,000 per year as an instructor (supplemented with royalties from his boat designs, and I hope he's getting something more from someplace). Again, I improved greatly under an instruction regime. Such a basic thing as rolling a whitewater kayak can be taught by most people who know how, but surely there is none of you out there who has not seen a gifted instructor who can get a newbie rolling in ten minutes, WITHOUT risk of strained muscles or (worse yet) a fright that might put the newbie off boating completely. Every club I belong to (8 or 9 of 'em) offers a program of free to cheap instruction, and they are all great to get a beginner started. From there the limit is the paddler's desire. If his desire is to be a very good boater, he must boat a lot, and, unless he is naturally gifted, he must take advanced instruction. If he wants to piddle around in flat water like William Watt does, he doesn't need to spend a penny on instruction, and he can carve his boat out of a log. But Watt spews his anti-instruction, anti-manufactured-boat idiocy with no regard for whom his audience may be. Anyone who tries to canoe Class III water, or above, with no instruction in a boat made from a sheet of plywood, puts his life at very serious risk. William Watt is one of the more dangerous people in this newsgroup, because his Luddite advice could cost a beginner his life. -Richard, His Kanubic Travesty -- ================================================== ==================== Richard Hopley, Winston-Salem, NC, USA rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net 1-301-775-0471 Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll. rhopley[at]wfubmc[dot]edu 1-336-713-5077 OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters. |
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Oci-One Kanubi ) writes:
(William R. Watt) typed: ... Too many boaters drown every year in North America, in the course of "teaching themselves", as Watt advocates. I'll have to take you to task on that one. Data please. I believe you'll find its not paddling skill but ignorance of local conditions which constitutes the greatest risk. For that you'd need a guide. I know the Province of Ontario licences knowlegeable locals as guides. I know because members of my family have been licenced guides. I don't know what is done in other jurisdictions. I'm pleased to see posters in this newsgroup accepting the fact that many people teach themselves the simple act of paddling naturally, and have done so at least since the beginning of human occupation of North Amercia. I consider it a shame that 80% of the population of NA are currently raised in congested cities, have little contact with water in its natural state, and lack the necessary experience should they come into contact with it in later life. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
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what's written below reads like religious liturgy because that's what it is.
beware priests in brightly coloured spandex who live off the ignorance of newbie believers. beware glossy magazines and colour graphics websites designed to impress, confuse, intimidate, and suck your credit card right out of your purse or wallet. "Michael Daly" ) writes: On 30-Sep-2003, (Oci-One Kanubi) wrote: IF YOU PADDLE WHITEWATER, or if you intend to, PLEASE do not read anything William Watt has to say. Too many boaters drown every year in North America, in the course of "teaching themselves", as Watt advocates. If you paddle a SEA KAYAK, ignore everything willywatt says. He knows nothing of value and contributes nothing but nonsense. If you paddle a FLA****ER CANOE, ignore everything willywatt says. He knows nothing of value and contributes nothing but nonsense. If you SAIL, ignore everything willywatt says. He knows nothing of value and contributes nothing but nonsense. I'm sure someone else will cover anything we missed. Mike -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
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(William R. Watt)
Typed in I'm pleased to see posters in this newsgroup accepting the fact that many people teach themselves the simple act of paddling naturally, and have done so at least since the beginning of human occupation of North Amercia. I consider it a shame that 80% of the population of NA are currently raised in congested cities, have little contact with water in its natural state, and lack the necessary experience should they come into contact with it in later life. I have to take exception to this statement. Native Americans were not self taught, but grew up in a culture where these skills were valued, taught and practiced. I did start out as a self taught paddler. The area I grew up in is not a paddling mecca and I'm the only one in my family that could even swim. When I bought my first canoe, I had to teach myself how to paddle. I read what little literature available at the time and picked up what I could from other paddlers. My skill level progressed very slowly and reached a plateau when I started trying Class III whitewater. After a bad, high water incedent, I decided to get serious about improving my skill level. I took a weekend course from Bob Ruppel at Riversports and ended up with private instruction because of some late cancellations. Bob was an old slalom C boater and a innovative OC-1er. My level of paddling jumped at least a class that weekend. I don't think that I would have ever had enough time to paddle to develope the technique that he had already learned from racing and coaching. SYOTR Larry C. |
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"Michael Daly" typed:
I've got to hand it to you, willy boy - there are only a handful of idiots that have made it onto the r.b.p ****list and you did it in record time. Mike Interesting, isn't it, Michael, the way Willie What has this elaborate simile system comparing "wealthy" instructors (and those non-instructors who believe in learning from the hard-earned experience of others) to followers of a "religion", much the way another polluter of r.b.p has this elaborate mental construct about instructors "murdering schoolchildren" for personnal gain. There seems to be a common paranoid thread running through the messages of both of these very dangerous (to the uninitiated, who might follow their advice) men. The difference, in my eyes, is that Watt has a reasonable, commonsense theory WITHIN THE CONTEXT of the calmwater boating he does. To float around a pond or flat stream fishing or birdwatching does not require any expertise as a paddler, hence it is not really a very good value to pay for instruction or for expensive special-purpose boats for that activity, and you can, indeed, teach yerself all the skills you need to engage in the activity relatively safely. Watt's problem, though, was that he was blinded by his own context, and did not think about the consequences of his assertions in other contexts: offshore kayaking and whitewater boating, which are both hazardous endeavors. When practitioners of those more dangerous sports/hobbies took Watt to task for what was dangerous advice in THOSE contexts, he became defensive and dogmatic, and now he's gone over the top. Well, come to think of it, the other guy has a reasonable device, too, if HE could just learn to discuss it in anything but extreme and absolutist terms. Looks like a very similar pathology in both cases: a kernel of common sense within certain contexts, twisted all out of proportion by an attempt to apply it universally, and then carried into extreme rants by an inability to discuss the matter rationally. -Richard, His Kanubic Travesty -- ================================================== ==================== Richard Hopley, Winston-Salem, NC, USA rhopley[at]earthlink[dot]net 1-301-775-0471 Nothing really matters except Boats, Sex, and Rock'n'Roll. rhopley[at]wfubmc[dot]edu 1-336-713-5077 OK, OK; computer programming for scientific research also matters. ================================================== ==================== |
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