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On advice from ppl in thsi group, I paid the big bucks for a good
generator and got a Yamaha 2000 watt for $989 from Amazon (yeah, I know a weird place to buy a generator). It should be here in a couple of days but the reviews were all very good. |
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On Jun 22, 10:11*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On advice from ppl in this group, I paid the big bucks for a good generator and got a Yamaha 2000 watt for $989 from Amazon (yeah, I know a weird place to buy a generator). *It should be here in a couple of days but the reviews were all very good. good deal man. it will deliver the goods for you, just make sure you have good ventilation. Even though outside a still night can make the monoxide drift in strange ways. |
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 20:48:36 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Jun 22, 10:11*pm, Frogwatch wrote: On advice from ppl in this group, I paid the big bucks for a good generator and got a Yamaha 2000 watt for $989 from Amazon (yeah, I know a weird place to buy a generator). *It should be here in a couple of days but the reviews were all very good. good deal man. it will deliver the goods for you, just make sure you have good ventilation. Even though outside a still night can make the monoxide drift in strange ways. CO is really dangerous. They're a lot more of a risk than a tiny amount propane gas down current. A friend of mine almost died from CO poisoning. He didn't even realize it was happening. |
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On Jun 22, 11:56*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 20:48:36 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Jun 22, 10:11 pm, Frogwatch wrote: On advice from ppl in this group, I paid the big bucks for a good generator and got a Yamaha 2000 watt for $989 from Amazon (yeah, I know a weird place to buy a generator). It should be here in a couple of days but the reviews were all very good. good deal man. it will deliver the goods for you, just make sure you have good ventilation. Even though outside a still night can make the monoxide drift in strange ways. CO is really dangerous. They're a lot more of a risk than a tiny amount propane gas down current. A friend of mine almost died from CO poisoning. He didn't even realize it was happening. Good points y'all. I am so used to running my boats diesel to generate power that I did not even think of this (Diesels do not make CO) but I do not ever plan to use it at night or in confined space but thanx for the warning. |
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:22:54 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote: On Jun 22, 11:56*pm, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 20:48:36 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Jun 22, 10:11 pm, Frogwatch wrote: On advice from ppl in this group, I paid the big bucks for a good generator and got a Yamaha 2000 watt for $989 from Amazon (yeah, I know a weird place to buy a generator). It should be here in a couple of days but the reviews were all very good. good deal man. it will deliver the goods for you, just make sure you have good ventilation. Even though outside a still night can make the monoxide drift in strange ways. CO is really dangerous. They're a lot more of a risk than a tiny amount propane gas down current. A friend of mine almost died from CO poisoning. He didn't even realize it was happening. Good points y'all. I am so used to running my boats diesel to generate power that I did not even think of this (Diesels do not make CO) but I do not ever plan to use it at night or in confined space but thanx for the warning. Actually, they do... I had to look it up. Seems to be only under load, so unless it's under a lot of load, you're ok. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_exhaust You might want to get a CO monitor. That was what saved my friend. His wife heard it and came to investigate. |
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On Jun 22, 11:11*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On advice from ppl in thsi group, I paid the big bucks for a good generator and got a Yamaha 2000 watt for $989 from Amazon (yeah, I know a weird place to buy a generator). *It should be here in a couple of days but the reviews were all very good. Let us know how loud it is when you get it. We are looking for a generator we can run in public, the contractors generator I have now has got to be 75-80 db and I really don't want to run it in this tight neighborhood like I did down on the shore where I had a detached barn to run it in... |
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On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 03:33:06 -0700 (PDT), "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!"
wrote: On Jun 22, 11:11*pm, Frogwatch wrote: On advice from ppl in thsi group, I paid the big bucks for a good generator and got a Yamaha 2000 watt for $989 from Amazon (yeah, I know a weird place to buy a generator). *It should be here in a couple of days but the reviews were all very good. Let us know how loud it is when you get it. We are looking for a generator we can run in public, the contractors generator I have now has got to be 75-80 db and I really don't want to run it in this tight neighborhood like I did down on the shore where I had a detached barn to run it in... ==== Running a generator in an enclosed space is never a good idea. Regarding CO detectors, it's probably a good investment for any boat. You can easily be overcome by your neighbors generator in an anchorage with no wind. It happens. We've had a detector for over 10 years and used to get occasional alarms on our old boat due to "station wagon" effect when underway in a following wind. |
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On 6/23/11 10:18 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 03:33:06 -0700 (PDT), "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!" wrote: On Jun 22, 11:11 pm, wrote: On advice from ppl in thsi group, I paid the big bucks for a good generator and got a Yamaha 2000 watt for $989 from Amazon (yeah, I know a weird place to buy a generator). It should be here in a couple of days but the reviews were all very good. Let us know how loud it is when you get it. We are looking for a generator we can run in public, the contractors generator I have now has got to be 75-80 db and I really don't want to run it in this tight neighborhood like I did down on the shore where I had a detached barn to run it in... ==== Running a generator in an enclosed space is never a good idea. Hmmm. What about the hundreds of thousands of boats that have diesel generators in their bilges? I always kept my gasoline generator on deck on my 25' Parker, and never ran it if we were taking a nap in the cabin. Though it was quiet, it wasn't odor-free...smelled like any other air-cooled gasoline engine when it was running. -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing |
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On Jun 23, 11:29*am, Harryk wrote:
On 6/23/11 10:24 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 03:33:06 -0700 (PDT), "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!" *wrote: On Jun 22, 11:11 pm, *wrote: On advice from ppl in thsi group, I paid the big bucks for a good generator and got a Yamaha 2000 watt for $989 from Amazon (yeah, I know a weird place to buy a generator). *It should be here in a couple of days but the reviews were all very good. Let us know how loud it is when you get it. We are looking for *a generator we can run in public, the contractors generator I have now has got to be 75-80 db and I really don't want to run it in this tight neighborhood like I did down on the shore where I had a detached barn to run it in... ==== Running a generator in an enclosed space is never a good idea. Regarding CO detectors, it's probably a good investment for any boat. You can easily be overcome by your neighbors generator in an anchorage with no wind. * It happens. *We've had a detector for over 10 years and used to get occasional alarms on our old boat due to "station wagon" effect when underway in a following wind. Nope, don't run 'em in an "occupied" enclosed area. I ran it in a detached barn that was 12 by 22 with one window open but I didn't spend more than a few seconds in there at a time to start or stop it. I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon as I started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out. I called my friend who was a paramedic and he told me to get a lot of air but not to bother going to the er because it was just a matter of time to get the co out of my system and the er couldn't really do it any faster since I was not real bad... I am very careful about it now, that's for sure. In Canada, though *not* in the United States, if workers are going to be working in an enclosed space where there is any danger of falling debris, fume intoxication, et cetera, there has to be a designated "watcher" who is outside the space but able to keep an eye on the workers inside it. At least that used to be one of the safety regulations in Canada. I don't know if it is still in effect, or whether Canada decided the lives of workers are worth as little as they are in the USA. -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - We were under a lot of pressure to conform to US standards... especially when the GOP was in power. Seems that the 'merican lobysists kept complaining that our gov't run healthcare system was an unfair advantage... and our corporate leaders sometimes thought our higher workplace standards made us uncompetitive. |
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On 6/23/11 11:05 AM, North Star wrote:
On Jun 23, 11:29 am, wrote: On 6/23/11 10:24 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 03:33:06 -0700 (PDT), "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!" wrote: On Jun 22, 11:11 pm, wrote: On advice from ppl in thsi group, I paid the big bucks for a good generator and got a Yamaha 2000 watt for $989 from Amazon (yeah, I know a weird place to buy a generator). It should be here in a couple of days but the reviews were all very good. Let us know how loud it is when you get it. We are looking for a generator we can run in public, the contractors generator I have now has got to be 75-80 db and I really don't want to run it in this tight neighborhood like I did down on the shore where I had a detached barn to run it in... ==== Running a generator in an enclosed space is never a good idea. Regarding CO detectors, it's probably a good investment for any boat. You can easily be overcome by your neighbors generator in an anchorage with no wind. It happens. We've had a detector for over 10 years and used to get occasional alarms on our old boat due to "station wagon" effect when underway in a following wind. Nope, don't run 'em in an "occupied" enclosed area. I ran it in a detached barn that was 12 by 22 with one window open but I didn't spend more than a few seconds in there at a time to start or stop it. I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon as I started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out. I called my friend who was a paramedic and he told me to get a lot of air but not to bother going to the er because it was just a matter of time to get the co out of my system and the er couldn't really do it any faster since I was not real bad... I am very careful about it now, that's for sure. In Canada, though *not* in the United States, if workers are going to be working in an enclosed space where there is any danger of falling debris, fume intoxication, et cetera, there has to be a designated "watcher" who is outside the space but able to keep an eye on the workers inside it. At least that used to be one of the safety regulations in Canada. I don't know if it is still in effect, or whether Canada decided the lives of workers are worth as little as they are in the USA. -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - We were under a lot of pressure to conform to US standards... especially when the GOP was in power. Seems that the 'merican lobysists kept complaining that our gov't run healthcare system was an unfair advantage... and our corporate leaders sometimes thought our higher workplace standards made us uncompetitive. I'm sure my info is out of date in regards to Canada. This was years ago, during a visit to some worker training facilities, where I ran into a government jobsite inspector and chatted with him for about an hour.I was surprised to learn that Canadian workplace safety regulations were much stricter and much more closely enforced than in the good old USA. -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing |
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In article bdd669c0-dcdb-4b19-947d-
, says... On Jun 23, 11:29*am, Harryk wrote: On 6/23/11 10:24 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 03:33:06 -0700 (PDT), "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!" *wrote: On Jun 22, 11:11 pm, *wrote: On advice from ppl in thsi group, I paid the big bucks for a good generator and got a Yamaha 2000 watt for $989 from Amazon (yeah, I know a weird place to buy a generator). *It should be here in a couple of days but the reviews were all very good. Let us know how loud it is when you get it. We are looking for *a generator we can run in public, the contractors generator I have now has got to be 75-80 db and I really don't want to run it in this tight neighborhood like I did down on the shore where I had a detached barn to run it in... ==== Running a generator in an enclosed space is never a good idea. Regarding CO detectors, it's probably a good investment for any boat. You can easily be overcome by your neighbors generator in an anchorage with no wind. * It happens. *We've had a detector for over 10 years and used to get occasional alarms on our old boat due to "station wagon" effect when underway in a following wind. Nope, don't run 'em in an "occupied" enclosed area. I ran it in a detached barn that was 12 by 22 with one window open but I didn't spend more than a few seconds in there at a time to start or stop it. I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon as I started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out. I called my friend who was a paramedic and he told me to get a lot of air but not to bother going to the er because it was just a matter of time to get the co out of my system and the er couldn't really do it any faster since I was not real bad... I am very careful about it now, that's for sure. In Canada, though *not* in the United States, if workers are going to be working in an enclosed space where there is any danger of falling debris, fume intoxication, et cetera, there has to be a designated "watcher" who is outside the space but able to keep an eye on the workers inside it. At least that used to be one of the safety regulations in Canada. I don't know if it is still in effect, or whether Canada decided the lives of workers are worth as little as they are in the USA. -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - We were under a lot of pressure to conform to US standards... especially when the GOP was in power. Seems that the 'merican lobysists kept complaining that our gov't run healthcare system was an unfair advantage... and our corporate leaders sometimes thought our higher workplace standards made us uncompetitive. What is a 'merican you idiot? |
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On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:07:37 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:58:36 -0700, wrote: Actually, they do... I had to look it up. Seems to be only under load, so unless it's under a lot of load, you're ok. If you want the last bit of power, you use excess fuel to insure that all the oxygen in the air is utilized. Since a Diesel ingests the same amount of air regardless of load, at a given RPM, at part power there is excess air, and all the fuel get burned. So only trace of CO. Casady Yes, that's what I read... just a trace. I don't know how many PPM are required to cause harm, but I'm betting zero is better than anything. |
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On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:24:19 -0400, Harryk
wrote: Running a generator in an enclosed space is never a good idea. Hmmm. What about the hundreds of thousands of boats that have diesel generators in their bilges? Marine generators installed in the bilge have there exhaust vented overboard as you well know. A generator running in a shed, barn or other enclosed space can easily accumulate dangerous levels of CO. |
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On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:24:20 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote: I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon as I started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out. If you get that feeling you are dangerously close to losing conciousness and being fatally overcome. |
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On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:19:10 -0700, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:07:37 -0500, Richard Casady wrote: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:58:36 -0700, wrote: Actually, they do... I had to look it up. Seems to be only under load, so unless it's under a lot of load, you're ok. If you want the last bit of power, you use excess fuel to insure that all the oxygen in the air is utilized. Since a Diesel ingests the same amount of air regardless of load, at a given RPM, at part power there is excess air, and all the fuel get burned. So only trace of CO. Casady Yes, that's what I read... just a trace. I don't know how many PPM are required to cause harm, but I'm betting zero is better than anything. Black smoke from Diesel indicates incomplete combustion and if it is present, you can expect CO as well. Casady |
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On 6/23/11 3:14 PM, Richard Casady wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:19:10 -0700, wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:07:37 -0500, Richard Casady wrote: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:58:36 -0700, wrote: Actually, they do... I had to look it up. Seems to be only under load, so unless it's under a lot of load, you're ok. If you want the last bit of power, you use excess fuel to insure that all the oxygen in the air is utilized. Since a Diesel ingests the same amount of air regardless of load, at a given RPM, at part power there is excess air, and all the fuel get burned. So only trace of CO. Casady Yes, that's what I read... just a trace. I don't know how many PPM are required to cause harm, but I'm betting zero is better than anything. Black smoke from Diesel indicates incomplete combustion and if it is present, you can expect CO as well. Casady I don't run the diesel generator or the diesel engines on our boat unless everyone is awake and the cabin is open. I've got CO detectors placed appropriately. I also drop down in the bilge before using the boat to check oil, fittings, whatever I can see. CO scares the crap out of me. -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing |
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On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:26:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:24:20 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon as I started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out. If you get that feeling you are dangerously close to losing conciousness and being fatally overcome. Could be, my bud didn't think I was bad enough to go to the ER but who knows, it was twenty years ago iirc... Took a couple of hours to feel better in the fresh air that much I do remember. Never worked around a salamander type heater again after that, no matter what the boss said. ===== What is a "salamander type heater"? |
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On 6/23/11 4:25 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:26:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:24:20 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon as I started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out. If you get that feeling you are dangerously close to losing conciousness and being fatally overcome. Could be, my bud didn't think I was bad enough to go to the ER but who knows, it was twenty years ago iirc... Took a couple of hours to feel better in the fresh air that much I do remember. Never worked around a salamander type heater again after that, no matter what the boss said. ===== What is a "salamander type heater"? I remember them as a fairly tall cylindrical space heater, fired by kerosene. I remember them because when my father built his retail store, he used a couple of them to help cure the concrete floor, which was poured in the winter. I was just a little kid, but I do remember them being referred to as salamanders. They were operated before the showroom glass was installed...the store was open to the elements where the windows and doors would go. They gave off a hell of a lot of heat. -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing |
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In article ,
says... On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:26:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:24:20 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon as I started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out. If you get that feeling you are dangerously close to losing conciousness and being fatally overcome. Could be, my bud didn't think I was bad enough to go to the ER but who knows, it was twenty years ago iirc... Took a couple of hours to feel better in the fresh air that much I do remember. Never worked around a salamander type heater again after that, no matter what the boss said. ===== What is a "salamander type heater"? Kerosene fired forced air heater. They are long and tubular and sit horizontally on the ground.. http://www.masterheaters.com/Desa_images/b600.jpg something like that.... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! |
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On 6/23/11 3:38 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 6/23/11 3:14 PM, Richard Casady wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:19:10 -0700, wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:07:37 -0500, Richard Casady wrote: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:58:36 -0700, wrote: Actually, they do... I had to look it up. Seems to be only under load, so unless it's under a lot of load, you're ok. If you want the last bit of power, you use excess fuel to insure that all the oxygen in the air is utilized. Since a Diesel ingests the same amount of air regardless of load, at a given RPM, at part power there is excess air, and all the fuel get burned. So only trace of CO. Casady Yes, that's what I read... just a trace. I don't know how many PPM are required to cause harm, but I'm betting zero is better than anything. Black smoke from Diesel indicates incomplete combustion and if it is present, you can expect CO as well. Casady I don't run the diesel generator or the diesel engines on our boat unless everyone is awake and the cabin is open. I've got CO detectors placed appropriately. I also drop down in the bilge before using the boat to check oil, fittings, whatever I can see. CO scares the crap out of me. I do have to be honest, even if I did own a boat, when have I ever been away from rec.boats long enough to actually use a boat ... and don't get me started about me having any time to use a motorcycle. -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing |
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On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:30:22 -0400, Harryk
wrote: On 6/23/11 4:25 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:26:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:24:20 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon as I started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out. If you get that feeling you are dangerously close to losing conciousness and being fatally overcome. Could be, my bud didn't think I was bad enough to go to the ER but who knows, it was twenty years ago iirc... Took a couple of hours to feel better in the fresh air that much I do remember. Never worked around a salamander type heater again after that, no matter what the boss said. ===== What is a "salamander type heater"? I remember them as a fairly tall cylindrical space heater, fired by kerosene. I remember them because when my father built his retail store, he used a couple of them to help cure the concrete floor, which was poured in the winter. I was just a little kid, but I do remember them being referred to as salamanders. They were operated before the showroom glass was installed...the store was open to the elements where the windows and doors would go. They gave off a hell of a lot of heat. The put out 250 000 BTU per hour, more than most residental furnaces. They will run fine of fuel oil or Diesel, but beware the sulfur. Casady |
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On 6/23/11 5:50 PM, Richard Casady wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:30:22 -0400, wrote: On 6/23/11 4:25 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:26:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:24:20 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon as I started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out. If you get that feeling you are dangerously close to losing conciousness and being fatally overcome. Could be, my bud didn't think I was bad enough to go to the ER but who knows, it was twenty years ago iirc... Took a couple of hours to feel better in the fresh air that much I do remember. Never worked around a salamander type heater again after that, no matter what the boss said. ===== What is a "salamander type heater"? I remember them as a fairly tall cylindrical space heater, fired by kerosene. I remember them because when my father built his retail store, he used a couple of them to help cure the concrete floor, which was poured in the winter. I was just a little kid, but I do remember them being referred to as salamanders. They were operated before the showroom glass was installed...the store was open to the elements where the windows and doors would go. They gave off a hell of a lot of heat. The put out 250 000 BTU per hour, more than most residental furnaces. They will run fine of fuel oil or Diesel, but beware the sulfur. Casady I don't recall them being at the store for more than a couple of weeks. Once the glass and doors went in and the furnace was installed, they went back to wherever they were borrowed or rented from. I seem to remember they were kind of noisy, too, with a loud hissing noise, but that could be a false memory. Hell, it was 60 years ago, when my father moved his retail store from downtown New Haven to a western suburb. -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing |
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On 6/23/11 5:58 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 6/23/11 5:50 PM, Richard Casady wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:30:22 -0400, wrote: On 6/23/11 4:25 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:26:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:24:20 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon as I started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out. If you get that feeling you are dangerously close to losing conciousness and being fatally overcome. Could be, my bud didn't think I was bad enough to go to the ER but who knows, it was twenty years ago iirc... Took a couple of hours to feel better in the fresh air that much I do remember. Never worked around a salamander type heater again after that, no matter what the boss said. ===== What is a "salamander type heater"? I remember them as a fairly tall cylindrical space heater, fired by kerosene. I remember them because when my father built his retail store, he used a couple of them to help cure the concrete floor, which was poured in the winter. I was just a little kid, but I do remember them being referred to as salamanders. They were operated before the showroom glass was installed...the store was open to the elements where the windows and doors would go. They gave off a hell of a lot of heat. The put out 250 000 BTU per hour, more than most residental furnaces. They will run fine of fuel oil or Diesel, but beware the sulfur. Casady I don't recall them being at the store for more than a couple of weeks. Once the glass and doors went in and the furnace was installed, they went back to wherever they were borrowed or rented from. I seem to remember they were kind of noisy, too, with a loud hissing noise, but that could be a false memory. Hell, it was 60 years ago, when my father moved his retail store from downtown New Haven to a western suburb. Sometimes I wonder why in the world I bother telling these stories, but I hope everyone enjoys my ramblings. -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing |
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On Jun 23, 5:30*pm, Harryk wrote:
On 6/23/11 4:25 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:26:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk *wrote: In , says... On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:24:20 -0400, I_am_Tosk *wrote: I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon as I started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out. If you get that feeling you are dangerously close to losing conciousness and being fatally overcome. Could be, my bud didn't think I was bad enough to go to the ER but who knows, it was twenty years ago iirc... *Took a couple of hours to feel better in the fresh air that much I do remember. Never worked around a salamander type heater again after that, no matter what the boss said. ===== What is a "salamander type heater"? I remember them as a fairly tall cylindrical space heater, fired by kerosene. I remember them because when my father built his retail store, he used a couple of them to help cure the concrete floor, which was poured in the winter. I was just a little kid, but I do remember them being referred to as salamanders. They were operated before the showroom glass was installed...the store was open to the elements where the windows and doors would go. They gave off a hell of a lot of heat. -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - My gyproc installing in-laws had a few... i remember one being left in my new Cape Cod style house to help dry the drywall mud in January/ February of 1976. The one I remember was more like a yellow torpedo..noisy fan blown hot air and burning kerosine oil as fuel. Of course that was 35 years ago.... they may be different now. |
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On 6/23/11 7:20 PM, North Star wrote:
On Jun 23, 5:30 pm, wrote: On 6/23/11 4:25 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:26:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:24:20 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon as I started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out. If you get that feeling you are dangerously close to losing conciousness and being fatally overcome. Could be, my bud didn't think I was bad enough to go to the ER but who knows, it was twenty years ago iirc... Took a couple of hours to feel better in the fresh air that much I do remember. Never worked around a salamander type heater again after that, no matter what the boss said. ===== What is a "salamander type heater"? I remember them as a fairly tall cylindrical space heater, fired by kerosene. I remember them because when my father built his retail store, he used a couple of them to help cure the concrete floor, which was poured in the winter. I was just a little kid, but I do remember them being referred to as salamanders. They were operated before the showroom glass was installed...the store was open to the elements where the windows and doors would go. They gave off a hell of a lot of heat. -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - My gyproc installing in-laws had a few... i remember one being left in my new Cape Cod style house to help dry the drywall mud in January/ February of 1976. The one I remember was more like a yellow torpedo..noisy fan blown hot air and burning kerosine oil as fuel. Of course that was 35 years ago.... they may be different now. I remember a bathroom heater my great aunt had when I was about 4 or maybe 5. It had coils on it that looked like the electric coils inside a toaster oven. If I remember correctly, she only used it during the winter and then only when she was taking a shower. She would hit the on/off button before she got in the shower, by the time she got out it was nice and toasty. Those were some good memories. -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing |
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Harryk wrote:
On 6/23/11 10:24 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 03:33:06 -0700 (PDT), "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!" wrote: On Jun 22, 11:11 pm, wrote: On advice from ppl in thsi group, I paid the big bucks for a good generator and got a Yamaha 2000 watt for $989 from Amazon (yeah, I know a weird place to buy a generator). It should be here in a couple of days but the reviews were all very good. Let us know how loud it is when you get it. We are looking for a generator we can run in public, the contractors generator I have now has got to be 75-80 db and I really don't want to run it in this tight neighborhood like I did down on the shore where I had a detached barn to run it in... ==== Running a generator in an enclosed space is never a good idea. Regarding CO detectors, it's probably a good investment for any boat. You can easily be overcome by your neighbors generator in an anchorage with no wind. It happens. We've had a detector for over 10 years and used to get occasional alarms on our old boat due to "station wagon" effect when underway in a following wind. Nope, don't run 'em in an "occupied" enclosed area. I ran it in a detached barn that was 12 by 22 with one window open but I didn't spend more than a few seconds in there at a time to start or stop it. I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon as I started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out. I called my friend who was a paramedic and he told me to get a lot of air but not to bother going to the er because it was just a matter of time to get the co out of my system and the er couldn't really do it any faster since I was not real bad... I am very careful about it now, that's for sure. In Canada, though *not* in the United States, if workers are going to be working in an enclosed space where there is any danger of falling debris, fume intoxication, et cetera, there has to be a designated "watcher" who is outside the space but able to keep an eye on the workers inside it. At least that used to be one of the safety regulations in Canada. I don't know if it is still in effect, or whether Canada decided the lives of workers are worth as little as they are in the USA. US unions have 4-5 "watchers" for every worker on the jobs I've seen even if they are digging a hole in the ground. |
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Harryk wrote:
On 6/23/11 3:14 PM, Richard Casady wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:19:10 -0700, wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:07:37 -0500, Richard Casady wrote: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:58:36 -0700, wrote: Actually, they do... I had to look it up. Seems to be only under load, so unless it's under a lot of load, you're ok. If you want the last bit of power, you use excess fuel to insure that all the oxygen in the air is utilized. Since a Diesel ingests the same amount of air regardless of load, at a given RPM, at part power there is excess air, and all the fuel get burned. So only trace of CO. Casady Yes, that's what I read... just a trace. I don't know how many PPM are required to cause harm, but I'm betting zero is better than anything. Black smoke from Diesel indicates incomplete combustion and if it is present, you can expect CO as well. Casady I don't run the diesel generator or the diesel engines on our boat unless everyone is awake and the cabin is open. I've got CO detectors placed appropriately. I also drop down in the bilge before using the boat to check oil, fittings, whatever I can see. CO scares the crap out of me. Still running with that story, narcissist? |
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In article ,
says... Harryk wrote: On 6/23/11 10:24 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 03:33:06 -0700 (PDT), "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!" wrote: On Jun 22, 11:11 pm, wrote: On advice from ppl in thsi group, I paid the big bucks for a good generator and got a Yamaha 2000 watt for $989 from Amazon (yeah, I know a weird place to buy a generator). It should be here in a couple of days but the reviews were all very good. Let us know how loud it is when you get it. We are looking for a generator we can run in public, the contractors generator I have now has got to be 75-80 db and I really don't want to run it in this tight neighborhood like I did down on the shore where I had a detached barn to run it in... ==== Running a generator in an enclosed space is never a good idea. Regarding CO detectors, it's probably a good investment for any boat. You can easily be overcome by your neighbors generator in an anchorage with no wind. It happens. We've had a detector for over 10 years and used to get occasional alarms on our old boat due to "station wagon" effect when underway in a following wind. Nope, don't run 'em in an "occupied" enclosed area. I ran it in a detached barn that was 12 by 22 with one window open but I didn't spend more than a few seconds in there at a time to start or stop it. I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon as I started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out. I called my friend who was a paramedic and he told me to get a lot of air but not to bother going to the er because it was just a matter of time to get the co out of my system and the er couldn't really do it any faster since I was not real bad... I am very careful about it now, that's for sure. In Canada, though *not* in the United States, if workers are going to be working in an enclosed space where there is any danger of falling debris, fume intoxication, et cetera, there has to be a designated "watcher" who is outside the space but able to keep an eye on the workers inside it. At least that used to be one of the safety regulations in Canada. I don't know if it is still in effect, or whether Canada decided the lives of workers are worth as little as they are in the USA. US unions have 4-5 "watchers" for every worker on the jobs I've seen even if they are digging a hole in the ground. Yeah, it's the one job classification that is not protected by contract either.. Anybody in a union can be a designated watcher without fear of being sanctioned by the union, accused of taking someones job;) -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! |
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Harryk wrote:
On 6/23/11 4:25 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:26:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:24:20 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon as I started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out. If you get that feeling you are dangerously close to losing conciousness and being fatally overcome. Could be, my bud didn't think I was bad enough to go to the ER but who knows, it was twenty years ago iirc... Took a couple of hours to feel better in the fresh air that much I do remember. Never worked around a salamander type heater again after that, no matter what the boss said. ===== What is a "salamander type heater"? I remember them as a fairly tall cylindrical space heater, fired by kerosene. I remember them because when my father built his retail store, he used a couple of them to help cure the concrete floor, which was poured in the winter. I was just a little kid, but I do remember them being referred to as salamanders. They were operated before the showroom glass was installed...the store was open to the elements where the windows and doors would go. They gave off a hell of a lot of heat. Wrong. |
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On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:20:25 -0700 (PDT), North Star
wrote: On Jun 23, 5:30*pm, Harryk wrote: On 6/23/11 4:25 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:26:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk *wrote: In , says... On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:24:20 -0400, I_am_Tosk *wrote: I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon as I started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out. If you get that feeling you are dangerously close to losing conciousness and being fatally overcome. Could be, my bud didn't think I was bad enough to go to the ER but who knows, it was twenty years ago iirc... *Took a couple of hours to feel better in the fresh air that much I do remember. Never worked around a salamander type heater again after that, no matter what the boss said. ===== What is a "salamander type heater"? I remember them as a fairly tall cylindrical space heater, fired by kerosene. I remember them because when my father built his retail store, he used a couple of them to help cure the concrete floor, which was poured in the winter. I was just a little kid, but I do remember them being referred to as salamanders. They were operated before the showroom glass was installed...the store was open to the elements where the windows and doors would go. They gave off a hell of a lot of heat. -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - My gyproc installing in-laws had a few... i remember one being left in my new Cape Cod style house to help dry the drywall mud in January/ February of 1976. The one I remember was more like a yellow torpedo..noisy fan blown hot air and burning kerosine oil as fuel. Of course that was 35 years ago.... they may be different now. All the ones I have seen have a tube about four feet long and a foot in diameter sitting on top of a rectangular fuel tank.Wheels at the exhaust end and a handle at the other. It ran on AC power had a regular furnace time oil burner and a powerful fan. THe one I owned never did work right.Had it worked on more than once. Casady |
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In article , payer33859
@mypacks.net says... On 6/23/11 4:25 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:26:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:24:20 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon as I started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out. If you get that feeling you are dangerously close to losing conciousness and being fatally overcome. Could be, my bud didn't think I was bad enough to go to the ER but who knows, it was twenty years ago iirc... Took a couple of hours to feel better in the fresh air that much I do remember. Never worked around a salamander type heater again after that, no matter what the boss said. ===== What is a "salamander type heater"? I remember them as a fairly tall cylindrical space heater, fired by kerosene. I remember them because when my father built his retail store, he used a couple of them to help cure the concrete floor, which was poured in the winter. I was just a little kid, but I do remember them being referred to as salamanders. They were operated before the showroom glass was installed...the store was open to the elements where the windows and doors would go. They gave off a hell of a lot of heat. They're not tall, they are horizontal, idiot. |
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In article a2903b68-36c9-456c-a1b2-0328cf067dc9
@k16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says... On Jun 23, 5:30*pm, Harryk wrote: On 6/23/11 4:25 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:26:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk *wrote: In , says... On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:24:20 -0400, I_am_Tosk *wrote: I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon as I started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out. If you get that feeling you are dangerously close to losing conciousness and being fatally overcome. Could be, my bud didn't think I was bad enough to go to the ER but who knows, it was twenty years ago iirc... *Took a couple of hours to feel better in the fresh air that much I do remember. Never worked around a salamander type heater again after that, no matter what the boss said. ===== What is a "salamander type heater"? I remember them as a fairly tall cylindrical space heater, fired by kerosene. I remember them because when my father built his retail store, he used a couple of them to help cure the concrete floor, which was poured in the winter. I was just a little kid, but I do remember them being referred to as salamanders. They were operated before the showroom glass was installed...the store was open to the elements where the windows and doors would go. They gave off a hell of a lot of heat. -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - My gyproc installing in-laws had a few... i remember one being left in my new Cape Cod style house to help dry the drywall mud in January/ February of 1976. The one I remember was more like a yellow torpedo..noisy fan blown hot air and burning kerosine oil as fuel. Of course that was 35 years ago.... they may be different now. What is "gyproc", moron? |
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On Jun 24, 9:26*am, iBoat wrote:
In article a2903b68-36c9-456c-a1b2-0328cf067dc9 @k16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says... On Jun 23, 5:30 pm, Harryk wrote: On 6/23/11 4:25 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:26:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:24:20 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon as I started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out. If you get that feeling you are dangerously close to losing conciousness and being fatally overcome. Could be, my bud didn't think I was bad enough to go to the ER but who knows, it was twenty years ago iirc... Took a couple of hours to feel better in the fresh air that much I do remember. Never worked around a salamander type heater again after that, no matter what the boss said. ===== What is a "salamander type heater"? I remember them as a fairly tall cylindrical space heater, fired by kerosene. I remember them because when my father built his retail store, he used a couple of them to help cure the concrete floor, which was poured in the winter. I was just a little kid, but I do remember them being referred to as salamanders. They were operated before the showroom glass was installed...the store was open to the elements where the windows and doors would go. They gave off a hell of a lot of heat. -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - My gyproc installing in-laws had a few... i remember one being left in my new Cape Cod style house to help dry the drywall mud in January/ February of 1976. The one I remember was more like a yellow torpedo..noisy fan blown hot air and burning kerosine oil as fuel. Of course that was 35 years ago.... they may be different now. What is "gyproc", moron?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If you don't know, jackass... I'm not going to tell you. |
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In article 8fb10754-4efa-464a-bbde-31d9578e7fa6
@x12g2000yql.googlegroups.com, says... On Jun 24, 9:26*am, iBoat wrote: In article a2903b68-36c9-456c-a1b2-0328cf067dc9 @k16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says... On Jun 23, 5:30 pm, Harryk wrote: On 6/23/11 4:25 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:26:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:24:20 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon as I started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out. If you get that feeling you are dangerously close to losing conciousness and being fatally overcome. Could be, my bud didn't think I was bad enough to go to the ER but who knows, it was twenty years ago iirc... Took a couple of hours to feel better in the fresh air that much I do remember. Never worked around a salamander type heater again after that, no matter what the boss said. ===== What is a "salamander type heater"? I remember them as a fairly tall cylindrical space heater, fired by kerosene. I remember them because when my father built his retail store, he used a couple of them to help cure the concrete floor, which was poured in the winter. I was just a little kid, but I do remember them being referred to as salamanders. They were operated before the showroom glass was installed...the store was open to the elements where the windows and doors would go. They gave off a hell of a lot of heat. -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - My gyproc installing in-laws had a few... i remember one being left in my new Cape Cod style house to help dry the drywall mud in January/ February of 1976. The one I remember was more like a yellow torpedo..noisy fan blown hot air and burning kerosine oil as fuel. Of course that was 35 years ago.... they may be different now. What is "gyproc", moron?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If you don't know, jackass... I'm not going to tell you. Do you mean gypsum board by any chance? Or as a brand name, Sheetrock? |
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HarryK wrote:
On 6/23/11 7:20 PM, North Star wrote: On Jun 23, 5:30 pm, wrote: On 6/23/11 4:25 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:26:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:24:20 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon as I started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out. If you get that feeling you are dangerously close to losing conciousness and being fatally overcome. Could be, my bud didn't think I was bad enough to go to the ER but who knows, it was twenty years ago iirc... Took a couple of hours to feel better in the fresh air that much I do remember. Never worked around a salamander type heater again after that, no matter what the boss said. ===== What is a "salamander type heater"? I remember them as a fairly tall cylindrical space heater, fired by kerosene. I remember them because when my father built his retail store, he used a couple of them to help cure the concrete floor, which was poured in the winter. I was just a little kid, but I do remember them being referred to as salamanders. They were operated before the showroom glass was installed...the store was open to the elements where the windows and doors would go. They gave off a hell of a lot of heat. -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - My gyproc installing in-laws had a few... i remember one being left in my new Cape Cod style house to help dry the drywall mud in January/ February of 1976. The one I remember was more like a yellow torpedo..noisy fan blown hot air and burning kerosine oil as fuel. Of course that was 35 years ago.... they may be different now. I remember a bathroom heater my great aunt had when I was about 4 or maybe 5. It had coils on it that looked like the electric coils inside a toaster oven. If I remember correctly, she only used it during the winter and then only when she was taking a shower. She would hit the on/off button before she got in the shower, by the time she got out it was nice and toasty. Those were some good memories. Good memories? Your great aunt in the shower? |
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iBoat wrote:
In article8fb10754-4efa-464a-bbde-31d9578e7fa6 @x12g2000yql.googlegroups.com, says... On Jun 24, 9:26 am, wrote: In articlea2903b68-36c9-456c-a1b2-0328cf067dc9 @k16g2000yqm.googlegroups.com, says... On Jun 23, 5:30 pm, wrote: On 6/23/11 4:25 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:26:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:24:20 -0400, I_am_Tosk wrote: I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon as I started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out. If you get that feeling you are dangerously close to losing conciousness and being fatally overcome. Could be, my bud didn't think I was bad enough to go to the ER but who knows, it was twenty years ago iirc... Took a couple of hours to feel better in the fresh air that much I do remember. Never worked around a salamander type heater again after that, no matter what the boss said. ===== What is a "salamander type heater"? I remember them as a fairly tall cylindrical space heater, fired by kerosene. I remember them because when my father built his retail store, he used a couple of them to help cure the concrete floor, which was poured in the winter. I was just a little kid, but I do remember them being referred to as salamanders. They were operated before the showroom glass was installed...the store was open to the elements where the windows and doors would go. They gave off a hell of a lot of heat. -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - My gyproc installing in-laws had a few... i remember one being left in my new Cape Cod style house to help dry the drywall mud in January/ February of 1976. The one I remember was more like a yellow torpedo..noisy fan blown hot air and burning kerosine oil as fuel. Of course that was 35 years ago.... they may be different now. What is "gyproc", moron?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If you don't know, jackass... I'm not going to tell you. Do you mean gypsum board by any chance? Or as a brand name, Sheetrock? He really has no idea. |
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