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On Jun 23, 11:29*am, Harryk wrote:
On 6/23/11 10:24 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 03:33:06 -0700 (PDT), "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!" *wrote: On Jun 22, 11:11 pm, *wrote: On advice from ppl in thsi group, I paid the big bucks for a good generator and got a Yamaha 2000 watt for $989 from Amazon (yeah, I know a weird place to buy a generator). *It should be here in a couple of days but the reviews were all very good. Let us know how loud it is when you get it. We are looking for *a generator we can run in public, the contractors generator I have now has got to be 75-80 db and I really don't want to run it in this tight neighborhood like I did down on the shore where I had a detached barn to run it in... ==== Running a generator in an enclosed space is never a good idea. Regarding CO detectors, it's probably a good investment for any boat. You can easily be overcome by your neighbors generator in an anchorage with no wind. * It happens. *We've had a detector for over 10 years and used to get occasional alarms on our old boat due to "station wagon" effect when underway in a following wind. Nope, don't run 'em in an "occupied" enclosed area. I ran it in a detached barn that was 12 by 22 with one window open but I didn't spend more than a few seconds in there at a time to start or stop it. I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon as I started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out. I called my friend who was a paramedic and he told me to get a lot of air but not to bother going to the er because it was just a matter of time to get the co out of my system and the er couldn't really do it any faster since I was not real bad... I am very careful about it now, that's for sure. In Canada, though *not* in the United States, if workers are going to be working in an enclosed space where there is any danger of falling debris, fume intoxication, et cetera, there has to be a designated "watcher" who is outside the space but able to keep an eye on the workers inside it. At least that used to be one of the safety regulations in Canada. I don't know if it is still in effect, or whether Canada decided the lives of workers are worth as little as they are in the USA. -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - We were under a lot of pressure to conform to US standards... especially when the GOP was in power. Seems that the 'merican lobysists kept complaining that our gov't run healthcare system was an unfair advantage... and our corporate leaders sometimes thought our higher workplace standards made us uncompetitive. |
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On 6/23/11 11:05 AM, North Star wrote:
On Jun 23, 11:29 am, wrote: On 6/23/11 10:24 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 03:33:06 -0700 (PDT), "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!" wrote: On Jun 22, 11:11 pm, wrote: On advice from ppl in thsi group, I paid the big bucks for a good generator and got a Yamaha 2000 watt for $989 from Amazon (yeah, I know a weird place to buy a generator). It should be here in a couple of days but the reviews were all very good. Let us know how loud it is when you get it. We are looking for a generator we can run in public, the contractors generator I have now has got to be 75-80 db and I really don't want to run it in this tight neighborhood like I did down on the shore where I had a detached barn to run it in... ==== Running a generator in an enclosed space is never a good idea. Regarding CO detectors, it's probably a good investment for any boat. You can easily be overcome by your neighbors generator in an anchorage with no wind. It happens. We've had a detector for over 10 years and used to get occasional alarms on our old boat due to "station wagon" effect when underway in a following wind. Nope, don't run 'em in an "occupied" enclosed area. I ran it in a detached barn that was 12 by 22 with one window open but I didn't spend more than a few seconds in there at a time to start or stop it. I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon as I started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out. I called my friend who was a paramedic and he told me to get a lot of air but not to bother going to the er because it was just a matter of time to get the co out of my system and the er couldn't really do it any faster since I was not real bad... I am very careful about it now, that's for sure. In Canada, though *not* in the United States, if workers are going to be working in an enclosed space where there is any danger of falling debris, fume intoxication, et cetera, there has to be a designated "watcher" who is outside the space but able to keep an eye on the workers inside it. At least that used to be one of the safety regulations in Canada. I don't know if it is still in effect, or whether Canada decided the lives of workers are worth as little as they are in the USA. -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - We were under a lot of pressure to conform to US standards... especially when the GOP was in power. Seems that the 'merican lobysists kept complaining that our gov't run healthcare system was an unfair advantage... and our corporate leaders sometimes thought our higher workplace standards made us uncompetitive. I'm sure my info is out of date in regards to Canada. This was years ago, during a visit to some worker training facilities, where I ran into a government jobsite inspector and chatted with him for about an hour.I was surprised to learn that Canadian workplace safety regulations were much stricter and much more closely enforced than in the good old USA. -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing |
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, says... On Jun 23, 11:29*am, Harryk wrote: On 6/23/11 10:24 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 03:33:06 -0700 (PDT), "JustWaitAFrekinMinute!" *wrote: On Jun 22, 11:11 pm, *wrote: On advice from ppl in thsi group, I paid the big bucks for a good generator and got a Yamaha 2000 watt for $989 from Amazon (yeah, I know a weird place to buy a generator). *It should be here in a couple of days but the reviews were all very good. Let us know how loud it is when you get it. We are looking for *a generator we can run in public, the contractors generator I have now has got to be 75-80 db and I really don't want to run it in this tight neighborhood like I did down on the shore where I had a detached barn to run it in... ==== Running a generator in an enclosed space is never a good idea. Regarding CO detectors, it's probably a good investment for any boat. You can easily be overcome by your neighbors generator in an anchorage with no wind. * It happens. *We've had a detector for over 10 years and used to get occasional alarms on our old boat due to "station wagon" effect when underway in a following wind. Nope, don't run 'em in an "occupied" enclosed area. I ran it in a detached barn that was 12 by 22 with one window open but I didn't spend more than a few seconds in there at a time to start or stop it. I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon as I started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out. I called my friend who was a paramedic and he told me to get a lot of air but not to bother going to the er because it was just a matter of time to get the co out of my system and the er couldn't really do it any faster since I was not real bad... I am very careful about it now, that's for sure. In Canada, though *not* in the United States, if workers are going to be working in an enclosed space where there is any danger of falling debris, fume intoxication, et cetera, there has to be a designated "watcher" who is outside the space but able to keep an eye on the workers inside it. At least that used to be one of the safety regulations in Canada. I don't know if it is still in effect, or whether Canada decided the lives of workers are worth as little as they are in the USA. -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - We were under a lot of pressure to conform to US standards... especially when the GOP was in power. Seems that the 'merican lobysists kept complaining that our gov't run healthcare system was an unfair advantage... and our corporate leaders sometimes thought our higher workplace standards made us uncompetitive. What is a 'merican you idiot? |
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On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:07:37 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:58:36 -0700, wrote: Actually, they do... I had to look it up. Seems to be only under load, so unless it's under a lot of load, you're ok. If you want the last bit of power, you use excess fuel to insure that all the oxygen in the air is utilized. Since a Diesel ingests the same amount of air regardless of load, at a given RPM, at part power there is excess air, and all the fuel get burned. So only trace of CO. Casady Yes, that's what I read... just a trace. I don't know how many PPM are required to cause harm, but I'm betting zero is better than anything. |
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On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:24:19 -0400, Harryk
wrote: Running a generator in an enclosed space is never a good idea. Hmmm. What about the hundreds of thousands of boats that have diesel generators in their bilges? Marine generators installed in the bilge have there exhaust vented overboard as you well know. A generator running in a shed, barn or other enclosed space can easily accumulate dangerous levels of CO. |
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On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:24:20 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote: I did get co poison once, working at a site but I noticed as soon as I started to feel a bit "drunk" and got out. If you get that feeling you are dangerously close to losing conciousness and being fatally overcome. |
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On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:19:10 -0700, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:07:37 -0500, Richard Casady wrote: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:58:36 -0700, wrote: Actually, they do... I had to look it up. Seems to be only under load, so unless it's under a lot of load, you're ok. If you want the last bit of power, you use excess fuel to insure that all the oxygen in the air is utilized. Since a Diesel ingests the same amount of air regardless of load, at a given RPM, at part power there is excess air, and all the fuel get burned. So only trace of CO. Casady Yes, that's what I read... just a trace. I don't know how many PPM are required to cause harm, but I'm betting zero is better than anything. Black smoke from Diesel indicates incomplete combustion and if it is present, you can expect CO as well. Casady |
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On 6/23/11 3:14 PM, Richard Casady wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:19:10 -0700, wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:07:37 -0500, Richard Casady wrote: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:58:36 -0700, wrote: Actually, they do... I had to look it up. Seems to be only under load, so unless it's under a lot of load, you're ok. If you want the last bit of power, you use excess fuel to insure that all the oxygen in the air is utilized. Since a Diesel ingests the same amount of air regardless of load, at a given RPM, at part power there is excess air, and all the fuel get burned. So only trace of CO. Casady Yes, that's what I read... just a trace. I don't know how many PPM are required to cause harm, but I'm betting zero is better than anything. Black smoke from Diesel indicates incomplete combustion and if it is present, you can expect CO as well. Casady I don't run the diesel generator or the diesel engines on our boat unless everyone is awake and the cabin is open. I've got CO detectors placed appropriately. I also drop down in the bilge before using the boat to check oil, fittings, whatever I can see. CO scares the crap out of me. -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing |
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