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I really hate to be picky, BUT that little button labeled SPELLING is meant
to correct your spelling in the post.

Or do we have a Welsh sailboarder who spells like he talks?

Jon Adams

"William R. Watt" wrote in message
...
"Michael Daly" ) writes:
On 26-Aug-2003, Mary Malmros wrote:

so commenting
on it isn't exactly "thrashing newbies".

Dumping on the original poster isn't thrashing a newbie. He claims to
have paddled/sailed/whatever all his life without a lesson. It shows in
that he knows almost nothing of value and is more of a troll than
someone
to take seriously. In this case, you're thrashing a self-proclaimed
"expert"
who deserves it.

funny how some people label anyone who disagrees with their limited
experience.

there are photos of the 7.5 ft sail boat with the sponsons on my website
(see below) click on "boats" then on "Loonie". When nto sialign it is
proelled by a home made feathered double bladed paddle which qualifies the
boat for discussion in a paddlign newsgroup, and doubles as a sterrign oar
when under sail. Its a neat little boat made from a single sheet of
plywood. I use and enjoy it often, sometimes in very strong winds on small
waters where there are no large waves.


Mike

who sees in his dreams trolls coming out of the woodwoork



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"William R. Watt" wrote in message
...
"Michael Daly" ) writes:

BTW dictionaries are famous for getting definitions wrong - especially
in scientific
and technical terminology. My Webster's here says that oxygen is the
most
plentiful element in the universe.


I think you mean "atmosphere", not "universe". I'd check that dictionary
definitions again.

I'm getting the impression Mike is typing without thinking. I believe
that's called a "rant".

On this subject of getting back into capsized boats, I've done in in
canoes, sailing dingys, and once in a kayak. The problem in lightweight
narrow boats is getting one's hips over the gunwale. Most sailboats have
to be wide to carry sail. The one I built out of a single sheet of plywood
is narrow like a kayak. To carry sail and to re-enter after a capsize the
sponsons are needed. When you re-enter a kayak you normally pull yourself
up onto the rear deck and slide forward until you can straddle the boat
and drop your butt into the seat. On a boat with no rear deck, like my
small sailboat, and also I think on a kayak, you can enter from the side
by first sticking a floatation device under your hips to raise them to the
surface so you can slide them in over the gunwale. That's the way I have
re-enterd the sailboat. I sit on a floation cushion when using the boat
and shove the flotation cusion under my hips to re-enter the boat after a
capsize. However I only did that once as a test because the sponsons have
prevented any capsizes since they were installed.


Mike



Usually I reentered my kayak feet first under water, rolled up, and then
pumped the water out with the battery operated electric pump mounted behind
the seat. Then I reinstalled the cockpit cover and paddled off. Isn't that
how you do it, Mary.

John Adams

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"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message
om...
Mary Malmros wrote in message
...
(Backyard Renegade) writes:

Mary Malmros wrote in message
...
(William R. Watt) writes:

no BS. I put sponsons on a 7.5 ft sailboat. Keep them above the
waterline
where they don't add to hull resistance through the water. Without
teh
sponsons I'd never get back into the boat after a cpasize.

You MUST be kidding. I could right a Sailfish on my own when I was
six years old. Okay, it took a little work, but...


Wow, impressive...

Not really. It's not that hard -- that's kind of the point.

But he did not say anything about righting a boat,
he said he wanted to re-enter the boat.

And leave it upside down, hmm? They sail real good that way ;-)
If you, or he, knows a way to re-enter and roll a sailboat with the
sails still on it, I'm prepared to genuflect in awe.

Not everyone here is a olypmic
star or was raised in boats..

Add me to the "not everyone". Never an Olympic star or even an
Olympic jock-washer.

BTW, according to what I know, William
was... and although he may not be a 35 yo buff, X generation, global
jaunting, look at me, only the best equipment type guy, there is
actually a possibility he has spent more time in smallboats than even
you!

Sure it's a possibility. So who said otherwise?

Sometimes you folks here need to remember, it is still a paddling
group and there are more than just WW paddlers posting here and some
of us just want to make things easier for ourselves so our fun, is not
so much work.

And sometimes you folks that are listing strongly to one side need
to get yourselves a crane and remove that mountain-sized chip from
your shoulder. Buy all the sponsons you want, and festoon your car
with 'em if you choose. My comment was simply because I'm danged if
I can see why they'd be necessary to get back in a capsized 7.5 foot
sailboat. I still don't see why, and I don't think you've given me
any more information on that.

I am listing to one side, just not the side you think... Personally I
still fall in the camp that if you need spondoms, you are probably in
the wrong boat or in conditions you should not be in **in most
cases**. I happen to be familiar with Wills boating habits and access
through his postings to other newsgroups and if Will says he needs
these spondoms to get back into his boat, he probably does. Personally
I would not use spondoms for anything more than waterbottles. they
might also make good pool toys for the kids... just not attached to
any boat!
Scotty

Is a spondom something a sponson wears while procreating little sponsons.

Inquiring minds want to know!!!

John Adams

spondoms really work! (BS)
 

Thank God! A short post to reply to.

If you plan to avoid procreating new sponsons, you blame well better wear a
spondom. Otherwise we'll be up to here in sponsons.

Better safe than sorry!

"Craig Smerda" wrote in message
...
whew...... lot's of big words and hot air blowing around in here!...
which by the way might be heavier than CO2 or NO2?.... and certainly
seems more prevalent. See you at the Gauley... spondom free!

Craig


http://community.webtv.net/juskanuit/juskanuit
"just canoe it"

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" John Q Adams" writes:

"William R. Watt" wrote in message
...
"Michael Daly" ) writes:

BTW dictionaries are famous for getting definitions wrong - especially
in scientific
and technical terminology. My Webster's here says that oxygen is the
most
plentiful element in the universe.


I think you mean "atmosphere", not "universe". I'd check that dictionary
definitions again.

I'm getting the impression Mike is typing without thinking. I believe
that's called a "rant".

On this subject of getting back into capsized boats, I've done in in
canoes, sailing dingys, and once in a kayak. The problem in lightweight
narrow boats is getting one's hips over the gunwale. Most sailboats have
to be wide to carry sail. The one I built out of a single sheet of plywood
is narrow like a kayak. To carry sail and to re-enter after a capsize the
sponsons are needed. When you re-enter a kayak you normally pull yourself
up onto the rear deck and slide forward until you can straddle the boat
and drop your butt into the seat. On a boat with no rear deck, like my
small sailboat, and also I think on a kayak, you can enter from the side
by first sticking a floatation device under your hips to raise them to the
surface so you can slide them in over the gunwale. That's the way I have
re-enterd the sailboat. I sit on a floation cushion when using the boat
and shove the flotation cusion under my hips to re-enter the boat after a
capsize. However I only did that once as a test because the sponsons have
prevented any capsizes since they were installed.


Mike



Usually I reentered my kayak feet first under water, rolled up, and then
pumped the water out with the battery operated electric pump mounted behind
the seat. Then I reinstalled the cockpit cover and paddled off. Isn't that
how you do it, Mary.

That's a neat trick, but one I never learned, actually. If I spent
more time in a touring boat, I might give it a try, but I'm not sure
how well it would work for me -- I like a very tightly outfitted boat.

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Some days you're the windshield,
Other days you're the bug.

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" John Q Adams" wrote in message ...
I really hate to be picky, BUT that little button labeled SPELLING is meant
to correct your spelling in the post.

Well then don't be picky. My manner of posting does not have a spell
checker unless I cut and paste into another program check and then cut
and paste back... I don't think that is necessary for posting to a
NG...
Scotty

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"William R. Watt" wrote in message
...
are you sure you've been in a boat before, or is this one of those
"toll"
questions? ever tried lowering a sail on a capsized boat in rough
conditions? sailors do it.

Capsized sail boats that are dragging a sail in the water won't blow away
faster than a person can swim. Kayaks can and do.

Have you
ever tried this in 6 foot or higher breaking seas?

there's *nothing* I haven't tried in 6 foot or higher waves. what
millponds
do you paddle in? 6 foot waves are for children. we get wakes on the canal
higher than that.

Achoo!! Pardon me, I'm alergic to BS



that's what you get of buying a kayak with a tiny cockpit. why do some
kayak fanatics choose speed over comfort and safety? and then diss
sponsons? bloody irresponsible.

Bloody unknowing on your part. A small cockpit, scoops much less water than
a large one.

.. Better techniques can be found in any of the many books and videos
on the market for kayak re-entires and recoveries.

oh yeah, Hand of God. I love that one. Like God gives a **** about
kayakers.

No---but if you were unconscious, you'd certainly appreciate another kayaker
performing this rescue. It works


you should get a boat with a round bottom cross section. I don't know why
some kayakers go out in waves in long narrow hard chined boats, V-bottoms,
or those ridiculous hollow ends. nothing rides waves like round bottoms.

You have no idea what kind of hull shape my boat has, so how can you
possibly be making comments about it.


This whole conversation is becoming boring------plunk

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sponsons really work! (BS)
 

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" John Q Adams" ) writes:
I really hate to be picky, BUT that little button labeled SPELLING is meant
to correct your spelling in the post.

Or do we have a Welsh sailboarder who spells like he talks?

Jon Adams

I type like I paddle. Is there a problem with that?

I'm on a 1990 era 16 MHz 80386SX machine with 2400 baud modem and VT100
terminal emulation connected to a FreePort interface on a UNIX (SunOS)
machine. There are still some of these beautifully virus-free access
points to the Internet around which provide simple cheap access to mail,
newsgroups, and text web browsers. The simple text editor (Pico) on
FreePort has a simple spell checker which I don't use because it only
points out likely spelling errors, it doesn't offer to correct them,
making a trip to the dictionary necessary. And that slows me down. If you
can't understand something I type you can always ask for clarification. I
have a copy of Wordperfect with a decent Oxford (not the Webster ones they
use in the US) on this machine which I use when I'm composing email to the
Prime Minister or one of his underlings.

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