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Touch up painting a kayak
Arleen wrote:
Any suggestions for touch up painting an older kayak where the designs are worn away? Kind of paint/brush??? This would depend on the material the kayak is made of. Fiberglass? Plastic? Wood? Canvas? Birch bark? -- //-Walt // // "Fair and Balanced" |
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Touch up painting a kayak
"Arleen" wrote in message ...
Any suggestions for touch up painting an older kayak where the designs are worn away? Kind of paint/brush??? TIA ;-) I have no clue and couldn't help ya, but it might be helpful to those who would know if ya told us what material the boat is made of. My guess is there are different kinds of paint for different materials .... and different sealers, too. |
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Touch up painting a kayak
Forgive my lapses please, the kayak I'm considering painting is constructed
of polyethylene plastic. I believe I'm going to visit the local paint shop and inquire there. TIA if any useful suggestions are offered. 8^) "Arleen" wrote in message ... Any suggestions for touch up painting an older kayak where the designs are worn away? Kind of paint/brush??? TIA ;-) |
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Arleen wrote: Forgive my lapses please, the kayak I'm considering painting is constructed of polyethylene plastic. Don't waste your time them. Nothing sticks to polyethylene very well. You can put paint on it, but it will scratch off very easily and soon look worse than it did without it. -- Regards Brian |
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Touch up painting a kayak
what about scratches? the question of repairing molded plastic boats came
up today in rec.boats.building. the rule of thumb is one season's scratches reduces canoe and kayak hull speed 5% (increases hull resistance about 5%). not much of a concern to white water paddlers perhaps but purveyors of moulded plastic kayaks expect purchasers to pay thousands of dollars for surperior performance over long distances. yet the salesrep I asked about repairing scratches said to ignore them. seems silly when people are paying high prices for paddles to reduce the paddling effort while their hulls take on the skin resistance of porcupines. sadly I've watched staff toss rental kayaks about like firewood. at the evening demos I've been frequenting they drag them across the sand, and effective abraisive. plastic boats may not break from this type of handling but they sure get sctratched up. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
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Touch up painting a kayak
"William R. Watt" wrote:
purveyors of moulded plastic kayaks expect purchasers to pay thousands of dollars for surperior performance over long distances. Huh? Are there really any high performance plastic kayaks costing thousands of dollars? My take is that with a plastic kayak you give up performance in exchange for durability and low cost. yet the salesrep I asked about repairing scratches said to ignore them. seems silly when people are paying high prices for paddles to reduce the paddling effort while their hulls take on the skin resistance of porcupines. sadly I've watched staff toss rental kayaks about like firewood. at the evening demos I've been frequenting they drag them across the sand, and effective abraisive. plastic boats may not break from this type of handling but they sure get sctratched up. Which is the point of a plastic kayak. You can beat it up, scratch it up, and otherwise abuse it without feeling bad about it. A 5% performance hit? I couldn't care less. If I was performance oriented, I wouldn't be paddling plastic. Getting back to the topic at hand, I have no idea how to do touch-up paint. I doubt I'd bother. Maybe a bit of fine grit wet sanding would help....or maybe not... -- //-Walt // // "Fair and Balanced" |
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Touch up painting a kayak
On 21-Aug-2003, Walt wrote:
A 5% performance hit? I couldn't care less. There's a good reason for that. While this is serious if you're a racer, the average person can't reliably detect changes in performance on this scale. Shaving off the fuzzies isn't that big a deal if you do want to fix it up. Watt, as usual, is exaggerating to reinforce his anti-kayak position. Ignore him, he's basically a troll. Mike |
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Touch up painting a kayak
"William R. Watt" wrote in message ... what about scratches? the question of repairing molded plastic boats came up today in rec.boats.building. the rule of thumb is one season's scratches reduces canoe and kayak hull speed 5% (increases hull resistance about 5%). not much of a concern to white water paddlers perhaps but purveyors of moulded plastic kayaks expect purchasers to pay thousands of dollars for surperior performance over long distances. That 5% figure sounds awfully high to me. I bet you would see more of a performance hit in speed from wind, current, and waves. Although I usually paddle a glass boat, I have paddled friends plastic boats and also own a plastic SOT for banging around rocks and caves and I have never noticed any difference in speed. BTW, what plastic boat have you found that costs thousands of dollars? I'd sure like to see it and try it. Steve Holtzman |
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Touch up painting a kayak
Hi and thanks everyone ~ I've decided to let it remain as it is sans the
touch up. |
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Touch up painting a kayak
"Seakayaker" ) writes:
That 5% figure sounds awfully high to me. I bet you would see more of a performance hit in speed from wind, current, and waves. Its 5% per season, cummulative. That's why annual maintenance of a canoe or kayak hull matters. Muscles are such a small source of power. You can't buy a hull that will reduce wind and waves. Hull design computer programs will calculate hull resistance. The kayaks I tried all performed well as far as wave making resistence is concerned, as near as I could tell. But reaching under the hulls and feeling with my hands I found a lot of scrtaches. You can try that on your own boat. Although I usually paddle a glass boat, I have paddled friends plastic boats and also own a plastic SOT for banging around rocks and caves and I have never noticed any difference in speed. BTW, what plastic boat have you found that costs thousands of dollars? I'd sure like to see it and try it. Fibreglass also scratches but can be reparied with readily available resins. Prices of the boats I tried in the demos ranged up to $3500 Canadian. The higher prices were for larger "sea" kayaks, or "multi-day" trip kayaks. When boat building in any given material cost varies with hull weight. (After trying 20 different models I concluded a boat about 14-15 ft with no skeg or rudder and a round bottom midships cross section would be my preference for day trips on rivers hearabouts. I liked a big cockpit, one exmaple being the Old Town Loon, because I could leave the seat and rise up on my knees to get a better angle on what's in the water ahead. I might even be able to stand for a better view into the water. I also found that I could slide forward to the front of a large cockpit depressing the bow and gaining a lot more manoeverability which could be usefull navigating a rocky stretch. The large cockpit as close as the mass produced kayaks I tried cams to the versaitlity of an open boat. However when exploring small rivers I'd still have to carry a single blade paddle for squeezing though narrow channels. I like a solo boat, and the mass produced kayaks are lighter and easier to cartop than the mass produced canoes. However I'm sticking with the small open plywood boats I custom made for myself.) My point was the salesperson was not concerend about performace degredation from hull scratches, while selling special paddles at high prices to shave a bit off the paddling effort, and extolling the performance of the high priced boats. Filling the scratches in the hull would save the same effort as the pricey paddle and preserve the performance paid for in the high priced hull, for a lot less money. During the demos I got in and out of the boats in the water and picked then up instead of dragging them. No matter what boat you paddle I'd recommend doing the same. I even lift my cheap plywood boats, not because they are expensive boats, but to preserve hull performance. How many people wax their boat bottoms to reduce hull resistance? If you are spending money on special paddles and high priced boats to improve performance I would think you should. If you are trading the comfort of a roomy more stable kayak for the speed of a less comfortable model then you should be concerned about scratches and maybe even waxing below the waterline. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ William R Watt National Capital FreeNet Ottawa's free community network homepage: www.ncf.ca/~ag384/top.htm warning: non-freenet email must have "notspam" in subject or it's returned |
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