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Canuck57 wrote:


Mubarak was betrayed by Obama, few know he was elected

You obviously know nothing about the last "election" in Egypt that
Mubarak won. The "election" was fixed from the beginning.

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Canuck57 wrote:
Mubarak was no dictator

Bull****.

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On 22/05/2011 10:32 AM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
Mubarak was no dictator

Bull****.

Fleabagger denial?

--
Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we
allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance?

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On 22/05/2011 10:31 AM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:


Mubarak was betrayed by Obama, few know he was elected

You obviously know nothing about the last "election" in Egypt that
Mubarak won. The "election" was fixed from the beginning.

As if US elections are not. People conditioned to think Dimwith or
GOP...rich pick the ponies in a ruse of democracy, and as a herd the
public always votes for one of the two hand picked ponies. No
coincidence Obama was brought in so quick, they could see Hilary would
loose to McCain so go for the race card to get the pocket boy in the office.

No one in the Dimwit party likes to talk about how Obama raised so much
money so quickly.

Fact is, Mubarak won, US in 2005 supported it, Obama back stabbed him
and the world outside of US media control knows it. And certainly at
least as legitimate and Florida...as at least they could count.

--
Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we
allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance?

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On 5/22/2011 1:22 PM, Canuck57 wrote:
On 22/05/2011 10:32 AM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
Mubarak was no dictator

Bull****.

Fleabagger denial?

Harry's debating style has the ear marks of De Plume's fine coaching.

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Canuck57 wrote:
On 22/05/2011 10:31 AM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:


Mubarak was betrayed by Obama, few know he was elected

You obviously know nothing about the last "election" in Egypt that
Mubarak won. The "election" was fixed from the beginning.

As if US elections are not. People conditioned to think Dimwith or
GOP...rich pick the ponies in a ruse of democracy, and as a herd the
public always votes for one of the two hand picked ponies. No
coincidence Obama was brought in so quick, they could see Hilary would
loose to McCain so go for the race card to get the pocket boy in the
office.

No one in the Dimwit party likes to talk about how Obama raised so much
money so quickly.

Fact is, Mubarak won, US in 2005 supported it, Obama back stabbed him
and the world outside of US media control knows it. And certainly at
least as legitimate and Florida...as at least they could count.

Mubarak was a dictator.

http://www.parade.com/dictators/2009....html?index=10


"More of the World's Worst Dictators
Hosni Mubarak

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20. Hosni Mubarak
Egypt
Age: 80
In power since: 1981
Last year's rank: 17

The use of torture in Egypt has been widely documented. In response to
international pressure, Mubarak allowed local elections in 2008, but in
80% of the contests, his party’s candidates ran unopposed. He made it so
difficult to register or campaign that turnout was estimated at only 3%.

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On Sun, 22 May 2011 08:40:55 -0400, BAR wrote:

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On Sat, 21 May 2011 18:55:59 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 21 May 2011 18:13:13 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

wrote:
On Sat, 21 May 2011 10:13:22 -0400,
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2011 17:18:06 -0600,
wrote:

On 20/05/2011 1:58 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2011 12:49:41 -0600,
wrote:

It isn't about good will, it is about a sellout. Islam has declared
Israel an enemy of state. Reminds me of "peac in our time pre-WW II.

Maybe give Alaska back to the Russians while you are at it. And the US
Canadian border to the west should be a few degrees south.

Maybe give the Mexicans California and Texas back.

It doesn't end.
In this case it would be more like letting the Germans keep Poland but
the Texas California situation might be similar. We took that as the
spoils of war.
(We bought Alaska)
I really thought the idea of wars of conquest went out since the 40s
when we gave everything back that we took in WWII. In fact the US has
given back virtually everything it has taken in war since 1898. We
pretty much only have Puerto Rico and a small patch in Cuba today.

The only lasting peace in the middle east will have to start at the
1967 borders.
Fact is, go back far enough, Israel has claim. Islam fascism didn't get
brewing until 630AD....

So picking some arbitrary point in time between then and now...sort of
arrogant of Obama to say that. If I was Israel, I would open up talks
with the Russians and Chinese.... US is an UNRELIABLE ally.
Russia and China might want them to go back to the pre-1948 borders.
It should be noted that the Saudis are nuzzling up to the Chinese as
we speak and most of the Arab world was aligned with the Soviets until
fairly recently. The thing that changed that was Mubarak aligning
himself with the US and getting billions in US military aid about 30
years ago. Then a week into the protests we threw him under the bus.
It would not be surprising that they started looking East for a
friend.

I just *love* your "conservative" view of history. Egypt began getting
U.S. military aid *after* it came to terms with a peace treaty with
Israel. You know, the deal Jimmy Carter brokered.

I didn't say what prompted the cooperation but you are right.
It is amazing what you can get if you promise to upgrade a country's
obsolete Soviet hardware with first line US hardware and a billion
dollar's worth of training to use them.
It is also significant that the guy we cut that deal with is gone. We
are still not sure who will rise up from the shambles in Egypt but we
hope it turns out better than Iran.


The peace deal was signed with Sadat, who was assassinated. It was
always a tragedy that the aftermath threw up Mubarak who, after all, was
just another right-wing dictator, the kind we always seem to support.

Sadat got his ass handed to him in 1973 and knew that his Soviet
equipment was useless. As Greg said his deal with Israel got him new
equipment, training and billions of dollars. Mubarak could have been
seeing all of the money coming in and decided that he wanted to line his
pockets rather than let Sadat pad his families pockets.


It also ushered in a lasting peace between two countries at each
other's throats.

Peace is usually what happens after you get your ass kicked by another
country.

So, that's your method maintaining peace... beat up on everyone else?
Sheesh.

Peace does not come from mutual respect it comes from fear of getting
your ass kicked or from recently having your ass kicked.

Maybe in your tiny world, but mutual respect is the key to lasting
peace.


I have no idea what point you're trying to make about Mubarak. He
didn't take over in a coup d'état.

Who lead the coup?


There was no coup. Do you have the ability to Google?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosni_Mubarak

Mubarak took power after a failed coup.

Huh? There was no failed coup that involved Mubarak's ascendancy to
the office. He was already there.

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On Sun, 22 May 2011 11:37:12 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 22 May 2011 08:40:55 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...



I have no idea what point you're trying to make about Mubarak. He
didn't take over in a coup d'état.

Who lead the coup?


There was no coup. Do you have the ability to Google?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosni_Mubarak

Mubarak took power after a failed coup.

The only real significance of the coup (actually just an attempt to
kill every senior member of the Mubarak administration) was that it
killed Sadat and allowed Mubarak to move up one slot.

Mubarak was part of every step of the deal with Israel and that was
what set off the gang who tried to kill them. He maintained power with
oppressive suppression of any opposition to the current policies.
Now that this suppression is gone, it is not unreasonable to believe
the same feelings that brought on Sadat's assassination will boil up.

In fact it came from the same army that is now running the country. We
just do not know which faction is in control. It is safe to say it is
not the Sadat/Mubarak wing or the revolution would not have had army
support.

The fact is that you're just making stuff up. You claim to know things
you don't. Your comments reflect a pretty big deficit of understanding
of Egypt and the region in general.

You also seem to have no problem replying to my posts second hand.
What are you afraid of exactly?

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On Sun, 22 May 2011 12:32:21 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

Canuck57 wrote:
Mubarak was no dictator

Bull****.

Are you being redundant? Chuckless is clearly full of bull.

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