Canuck57 wrote:
On 19/05/2011 8:35 PM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...

On 19/05/2011 5:28 PM, L G wrote:
John H wrote:
....if enough people see this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKdSc...layer_embedded

Obama made some great points here. Wonder what happened?
Typical liberal spin. They NEVER admit when they are wrong unless it's
in a deposition and that's debatable.

Even Anderson on 360 tonight sounded a little annoyed at Obama really
taking a lot of time to saying nothing at all today.

What he said was he is selling out Israel.

True, but Americans, especially Obama seem to be forgetting on 9/11 (and
other occasions) the middle east, including Arabs, Pakistan, Iran and
others were jumping up and down in glee at the 9/11 carnage.

To forgive is divine, to forget tis stupid. Obama has pretty much
desstroyed US international relations.

Yet another absurdity.

Obama is trying to get the Palestinians back to the peace talk table,
and to head off their effort this fall to try to obtain statehood via UN
mandate. Everyone involved in the discussions, all sides, are aware that
any meaningful settlement will involve going back to some variation of
the 1967 borders. Obama's idea of a "land swap" is clever.

You and your buddies seem better equipped to discuss issues in which
there is no historical or contemporary content extant.

I don't think there is much chance of a real Israeli-Palestinian peace
accord, but people of good will, such as Obama and Clinton before him,
are obliged to try to get the parties talking. Dubya Bush, of course,
for the post part ignored the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. He was busy
waging war on a fifth-rate country that did not attack us on 9-11 and
did not have WMD's.

On 20/05/2011 9:05 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2011 06:53:57 -0400,
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2011 22:35:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In ,
says...
On 19/05/2011 5:28 PM, L G wrote:
John H wrote:
....if enough people see this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKdSc...layer_embedded

Obama made some great points here. Wonder what happened?
Typical liberal spin. They NEVER admit when they are wrong unless it's
in a deposition and that's debatable.
Even Anderson on 360 tonight sounded a little annoyed at Obama really
taking a lot of time to saying nothing at all today.
What he said was he is selling out Israel.

He is reacting to the new reality what is coming out of all the Arab
"freedom". We are running out of friends there. the Saudis and
Pakistanis are negotiating with China now, looking for a better
partner.
The Palestinians are saying that they are going to start non-violent
protests like the Egyptians and Libyans used and make the Israelis
shoot them to make them stop. They are seeing that may actually be
more effective than rocks or even rockets.
The real question is if they can hold Hamas back.

Aipac has put a target on Obama's back tho and that may actually be
the best chance of a GOP victory.


A GOP victory in 2012? Well, I guess anything is possible. I would enjoy
seeing Michele Bachmann on the ticket.


I expect that in the end we will see the typical GOP white guy with a
solid neocon pedigree who will promise to keep the wars going on in
the middle east, all the while, complaining about runaway government
spending and the soaring price of oil.

I still would not be surprised if Obama got a primary challenge.

In politics, 18 months is an eternity and a lot can happen.

Sound like Obama, even though you say GOP.

Money will decide the ponies you get to choose from. Sad part about
party politics is that it allows few people to pick who you can vote
for, a ruse. Quasi democracy at best.
--
Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we
allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance?

On Fri, 20 May 2011 06:53:57 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2011 22:35:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In ,
says...
On 19/05/2011 5:28 PM, L G wrote:
John H wrote:
....if enough people see this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKdSc...layer_embedded

Obama made some great points here. Wonder what happened?
Typical liberal spin. They NEVER admit when they are wrong unless it's
in a deposition and that's debatable.
Even Anderson on 360 tonight sounded a little annoyed at Obama really
taking a lot of time to saying nothing at all today.
What he said was he is selling out Israel.

He is reacting to the new reality what is coming out of all the Arab
"freedom". We are running out of friends there. the Saudis and
Pakistanis are negotiating with China now, looking for a better
partner.
The Palestinians are saying that they are going to start non-violent
protests like the Egyptians and Libyans used and make the Israelis
shoot them to make them stop. They are seeing that may actually be
more effective than rocks or even rockets.
The real question is if they can hold Hamas back.

Aipac has put a target on Obama's back tho and that may actually be
the best chance of a GOP victory.


A GOP victory in 2012? Well, I guess anything is possible. I would enjoy
seeing Michele Bachmann on the ticket.


The "new reality" in the Palestinian/Israeli conflict has been around
for a long time. Clinton was almost successful in doing basically what
Obama said about the '67 borders with land exchanges.

On Fri, 20 May 2011 11:05:10 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 20 May 2011 06:53:57 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2011 22:35:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In ,
says...
On 19/05/2011 5:28 PM, L G wrote:
John H wrote:
....if enough people see this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKdSc...layer_embedded

Obama made some great points here. Wonder what happened?
Typical liberal spin. They NEVER admit when they are wrong unless it's
in a deposition and that's debatable.
Even Anderson on 360 tonight sounded a little annoyed at Obama really
taking a lot of time to saying nothing at all today.
What he said was he is selling out Israel.

He is reacting to the new reality what is coming out of all the Arab
"freedom". We are running out of friends there. the Saudis and
Pakistanis are negotiating with China now, looking for a better
partner.
The Palestinians are saying that they are going to start non-violent
protests like the Egyptians and Libyans used and make the Israelis
shoot them to make them stop. They are seeing that may actually be
more effective than rocks or even rockets.
The real question is if they can hold Hamas back.

Aipac has put a target on Obama's back tho and that may actually be
the best chance of a GOP victory.


A GOP victory in 2012? Well, I guess anything is possible. I would enjoy
seeing Michele Bachmann on the ticket.


I expect that in the end we will see the typical GOP white guy with a
solid neocon pedigree who will promise to keep the wars going on in
the middle east, all the while, complaining about runaway government
spending and the soaring price of oil.

I still would not be surprised if Obama got a primary challenge.

In politics, 18 months is an eternity and a lot can happen.

I think that the GOP is so fractured that no credible candidate can
get the nomination. There will be no credible primary challenge on the
Dem side.

Oh wait, I forgot, you'd rather hide than have a civil discussion.

On 20/05/2011 9:49 AM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
On 20/05/2011 8:50 AM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
On 20/05/2011 4:53 AM, Harryk wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2011 22:35:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In ,
says...
On 19/05/2011 5:28 PM, L G wrote:
John H wrote:
....if enough people see this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKdSc...layer_embedded


Obama made some great points here. Wonder what happened?
Typical liberal spin. They NEVER admit when they are wrong unless
it's
in a deposition and that's debatable.
Even Anderson on 360 tonight sounded a little annoyed at Obama
really
taking a lot of time to saying nothing at all today.
What he said was he is selling out Israel.

He is reacting to the new reality what is coming out of all the Arab
"freedom". We are running out of friends there. the Saudis and
Pakistanis are negotiating with China now, looking for a better
partner.
The Palestinians are saying that they are going to start non-violent
protests like the Egyptians and Libyans used and make the Israelis
shoot them to make them stop. They are seeing that may actually be
more effective than rocks or even rockets.
The real question is if they can hold Hamas back.

Aipac has put a target on Obama's back tho and that may actually be
the best chance of a GOP victory.


A GOP victory in 2012? Well, I guess anything is possible. I would
enjoy
seeing Michele Bachmann on the ticket.

Who knows, Hank Johnson could be VP right?


Who?

This democratic idiot -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCTYsmz8ook



You mean when he said the island might tip over and capsize?

If you took that literally, you are a bigger fool than you think Johnson
is. He had an obvious twinkle in his eye when he said it.

Face it, if he was white-GOP you would be all over him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuZFT76uxoc&NR=1

Pretty obvious this representative uses his race and the race card to
get elected.

Forrest Gump comes off better. Hank needs a drug test.

--
Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we
allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance?

Canuck57 wrote:
On 20/05/2011 9:49 AM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
On 20/05/2011 8:50 AM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
On 20/05/2011 4:53 AM, Harryk wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2011 22:35:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In ,
says...
On 19/05/2011 5:28 PM, L G wrote:
John H wrote:
....if enough people see this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKdSc...layer_embedded



Obama made some great points here. Wonder what happened?
Typical liberal spin. They NEVER admit when they are wrong unless
it's
in a deposition and that's debatable.
Even Anderson on 360 tonight sounded a little annoyed at Obama
really
taking a lot of time to saying nothing at all today.
What he said was he is selling out Israel.

He is reacting to the new reality what is coming out of all the Arab
"freedom". We are running out of friends there. the Saudis and
Pakistanis are negotiating with China now, looking for a better
partner.
The Palestinians are saying that they are going to start non-violent
protests like the Egyptians and Libyans used and make the Israelis
shoot them to make them stop. They are seeing that may actually be
more effective than rocks or even rockets.
The real question is if they can hold Hamas back.

Aipac has put a target on Obama's back tho and that may actually be
the best chance of a GOP victory.


A GOP victory in 2012? Well, I guess anything is possible. I would
enjoy
seeing Michele Bachmann on the ticket.

Who knows, Hank Johnson could be VP right?


Who?

This democratic idiot -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCTYsmz8ook



You mean when he said the island might tip over and capsize?

If you took that literally, you are a bigger fool than you think Johnson
is. He had an obvious twinkle in his eye when he said it.

Face it, if he was white-GOP you would be all over him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuZFT76uxoc&NR=1

Pretty obvious this representative uses his race and the race card to
get elected.

Forrest Gump comes off better. Hank needs a drug test.


If you weren't a racist, you wouldn't be so eager to go after black
legislators.

If Bachmann, Palin, et cetera, were black GOP'ers, I'd still point out
they were idiots.

In article , naled24511
@mypacks.net says...

Canuck57 wrote:
On 20/05/2011 9:49 AM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
On 20/05/2011 8:50 AM, Harryk wrote:
Canuck57 wrote:
On 20/05/2011 4:53 AM, Harryk wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2011 22:35:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In ,
says...
On 19/05/2011 5:28 PM, L G wrote:
John H wrote:
....if enough people see this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKdSc...layer_embedded



Obama made some great points here. Wonder what happened?
Typical liberal spin. They NEVER admit when they are wrong unless
it's
in a deposition and that's debatable.
Even Anderson on 360 tonight sounded a little annoyed at Obama
really
taking a lot of time to saying nothing at all today.
What he said was he is selling out Israel.

He is reacting to the new reality what is coming out of all the Arab
"freedom". We are running out of friends there. the Saudis and
Pakistanis are negotiating with China now, looking for a better
partner.
The Palestinians are saying that they are going to start non-violent
protests like the Egyptians and Libyans used and make the Israelis
shoot them to make them stop. They are seeing that may actually be
more effective than rocks or even rockets.
The real question is if they can hold Hamas back.

Aipac has put a target on Obama's back tho and that may actually be
the best chance of a GOP victory.


A GOP victory in 2012? Well, I guess anything is possible. I would
enjoy
seeing Michele Bachmann on the ticket.

Who knows, Hank Johnson could be VP right?


Who?

This democratic idiot -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCTYsmz8ook



You mean when he said the island might tip over and capsize?

If you took that literally, you are a bigger fool than you think Johnson
is. He had an obvious twinkle in his eye when he said it.

Face it, if he was white-GOP you would be all over him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuZFT76uxoc&NR=1

Pretty obvious this representative uses his race and the race card to
get elected.

Forrest Gump comes off better. Hank needs a drug test.


If you weren't a racist, you wouldn't be so eager to go after black
legislators.

If Bachmann, Palin, et cetera, were black GOP'ers, I'd still point out
they were idiots.

Only a complete ****ing moron would consider someone racist because the
person is pointing out a flaw of a black person. The funny thing is,
Harry, the race card thrower continually belittles and insults white
politicians. I guess he's too ****ing stupid to know that white people
are of a "race" as well. SO, if you use Harry and plume's analogy, they
themselves are racist!

On 20/05/2011 9:36 AM, Harryk wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2011 06:53:57 -0400,
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2011 22:35:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In ,
says...
On 19/05/2011 5:28 PM, L G wrote:
John H wrote:
....if enough people see this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKdSc...layer_embedded

Obama made some great points here. Wonder what happened?
Typical liberal spin. They NEVER admit when they are wrong unless
it's
in a deposition and that's debatable.
Even Anderson on 360 tonight sounded a little annoyed at Obama really
taking a lot of time to saying nothing at all today.
What he said was he is selling out Israel.
He is reacting to the new reality what is coming out of all the Arab
"freedom". We are running out of friends there. the Saudis and
Pakistanis are negotiating with China now, looking for a better
partner.
The Palestinians are saying that they are going to start non-violent
protests like the Egyptians and Libyans used and make the Israelis
shoot them to make them stop. They are seeing that may actually be
more effective than rocks or even rockets.
The real question is if they can hold Hamas back.

Aipac has put a target on Obama's back tho and that may actually be
the best chance of a GOP victory.

A GOP victory in 2012? Well, I guess anything is possible. I would enjoy
seeing Michele Bachmann on the ticket.


I expect that in the end we will see the typical GOP white guy with a
solid neocon pedigree who will promise to keep the wars going on in
the middle east, all the while, complaining about runaway government
spending and the soaring price of oil.

I still would not be surprised if Obama got a primary challenge.

In politics, 18 months is an eternity and a lot can happen.


In the GOP, the question most interesting to me is whether the
nominee will be someone near reasonable, such as Romney, Pawlenty, et
cetera, or whether it will be one of the teabagger crazy types. I am
*so* hoping for Michele Bachmann to be on the ticket. :)

2012 may pretty much be it for the GOP as a party competitive in the
presidential race. Shifting demographics and the hate the GOP'ers have
and express for the growing numbers of minority groups *and* the
craziness of the teabaggers may well spell the end.

I don't see any *serious* primary challengers on the horizon for Obama.
Sure, someone might run in a couple of them, just for the hell of it,
but a serious challenger, meaning one who might have a chance of
unseating Obama? Naw.

Oh, I see a few. Just they have not stepped forward.

--
Take a look at ANY country, more debt is more problems. So why do we
allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial, ignorance?

wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2011 11:36:20 -0400,
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2011 06:53:57 -0400,
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2011 22:35:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In ,
says...
On 19/05/2011 5:28 PM, L G wrote:
John H wrote:
....if enough people see this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKdSc...layer_embedded

Obama made some great points here. Wonder what happened?
Typical liberal spin. They NEVER admit when they are wrong unless it's
in a deposition and that's debatable.
Even Anderson on 360 tonight sounded a little annoyed at Obama really
taking a lot of time to saying nothing at all today.
What he said was he is selling out Israel.
He is reacting to the new reality what is coming out of all the Arab
"freedom". We are running out of friends there. the Saudis and
Pakistanis are negotiating with China now, looking for a better
partner.
The Palestinians are saying that they are going to start non-violent
protests like the Egyptians and Libyans used and make the Israelis
shoot them to make them stop. They are seeing that may actually be
more effective than rocks or even rockets.
The real question is if they can hold Hamas back.

Aipac has put a target on Obama's back tho and that may actually be
the best chance of a GOP victory.
A GOP victory in 2012? Well, I guess anything is possible. I would enjoy
seeing Michele Bachmann on the ticket.

I expect that in the end we will see the typical GOP white guy with a
solid neocon pedigree who will promise to keep the wars going on in
the middle east, all the while, complaining about runaway government
spending and the soaring price of oil.

I still would not be surprised if Obama got a primary challenge.

In politics, 18 months is an eternity and a lot can happen.

In the GOP, the question most interesting to me is whether the
nominee will be someone near reasonable, such as Romney, Pawlenty, et
cetera, or whether it will be one of the teabagger crazy types. I am
*so* hoping for Michele Bachmann to be on the ticket. :)

2012 may pretty much be it for the GOP as a party competitive in the
presidential race. Shifting demographics and the hate the GOP'ers have
and express for the growing numbers of minority groups *and* the
craziness of the teabaggers may well spell the end.

I don't see any *serious* primary challengers on the horizon for Obama.
Sure, someone might run in a couple of them, just for the hell of it,
but a serious challenger, meaning one who might have a chance of
unseating Obama? Naw.


If someone was going to take a swing at Obama from his side I would
expect it to be Hillary or someone from her camp like Schumer. Maybe
even a wild card like Debbie. You need a neocon liberal. (A socialist
hawk)

wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2011 11:36:20 -0400,
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2011 06:53:57 -0400,
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 19 May 2011 22:35:44 -0400, I_am_Tosk
wrote:

In ,
says...
On 19/05/2011 5:28 PM, L G wrote:
John H wrote:
....if enough people see this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKdSc...layer_embedded

Obama made some great points here. Wonder what happened?
Typical liberal spin. They NEVER admit when they are wrong unless it's
in a deposition and that's debatable.
Even Anderson on 360 tonight sounded a little annoyed at Obama really
taking a lot of time to saying nothing at all today.
What he said was he is selling out Israel.
He is reacting to the new reality what is coming out of all the Arab
"freedom". We are running out of friends there. the Saudis and
Pakistanis are negotiating with China now, looking for a better
partner.
The Palestinians are saying that they are going to start non-violent
protests like the Egyptians and Libyans used and make the Israelis
shoot them to make them stop. They are seeing that may actually be
more effective than rocks or even rockets.
The real question is if they can hold Hamas back.

Aipac has put a target on Obama's back tho and that may actually be
the best chance of a GOP victory.
A GOP victory in 2012? Well, I guess anything is possible. I would enjoy
seeing Michele Bachmann on the ticket.

I expect that in the end we will see the typical GOP white guy with a
solid neocon pedigree who will promise to keep the wars going on in
the middle east, all the while, complaining about runaway government
spending and the soaring price of oil.

I still would not be surprised if Obama got a primary challenge.

In politics, 18 months is an eternity and a lot can happen.

In the GOP, the question most interesting to me is whether the
nominee will be someone near reasonable, such as Romney, Pawlenty, et
cetera, or whether it will be one of the teabagger crazy types. I am
*so* hoping for Michele Bachmann to be on the ticket. :)

2012 may pretty much be it for the GOP as a party competitive in the
presidential race. Shifting demographics and the hate the GOP'ers have
and express for the growing numbers of minority groups *and* the
craziness of the teabaggers may well spell the end.

I don't see any *serious* primary challengers on the horizon for Obama.
Sure, someone might run in a couple of them, just for the hell of it,
but a serious challenger, meaning one who might have a chance of
unseating Obama? Naw.


If someone was going to take a swing at Obama from his side I would
expect it to be Hillary or someone from her camp like Schumer. Maybe
even a wild card like Debbie. You need a neocon liberal. (A socialist
hawk)


Debbie Wasserman-Schultz? If Biden decides to retire, she'd be at the
top of my list...smart, articulate, Floridian, liberal, and the perfect
intellectual foil for GOP dumb bunnies like Palin and Bachmann.

Of course, she's Jewish...having a female Jewish veep candidate on the
ticket with a Kenyan-born Muslim...well, she won't get the teabagger
vote. :)