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From yesterday's Washington Post:
"U.S. analysts and operatives spent years figuring out the courier’s identity, senior administration officials said, concluding that he was a former protege of Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the self-declared mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks who is being held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The courier "had our constant attention," one official said. Detainees "identified this man as one of the few al-Qaeda couriers trusted by bin Laden, [and] indicated he might be living with or protecting bin Laden," the official said. But until four years ago, the United States was unable to track the courier down or uncover his real name. In 2009, U.S. officials narrowed down the region in Pakistan where the courier was working, senior administration officials said." 'Years' it says. "Four years ago..." Well, that dumps it in Bush's lap. http://tinyurl.com/6f65um6 Yesterday, Panetta admitted to Brian Williams that 'enhanced interrogation techniques', including waterboarding, provided intel which ultimately lead to the attack. http://tinyurl.com/6kz5423 I'll give Obama a 'C' for allowing the action to take place. He didn't do much else. |
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From yesterday's Washington Post: "U.S. analysts and operatives spent years figuring out the courier’s identity, senior administration officials said, concluding that he was a former protege of Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the self-declared mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks who is being held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The courier "had our constant attention," one official said. Detainees "identified this man as one of the few al-Qaeda couriers trusted by bin Laden, [and] indicated he might be living with or protecting bin Laden," the official said. But until four years ago, the United States was unable to track the courier down or uncover his real name. In 2009, U.S. officials narrowed down the region in Pakistan where the courier was working, senior administration officials said." 'Years' it says. "Four years ago..." Well, that dumps it in Bush's lap. http://tinyurl.com/6f65um6 Yesterday, Panetta admitted to Brian Williams that 'enhanced interrogation techniques', including waterboarding, provided intel which ultimately lead to the attack. http://tinyurl.com/6kz5423 I'll give Obama a 'C' for allowing the action to take place. He didn't do much else. If that's your evaluation, give Bush an "F," because he stated several times he just wasn't that interested in running down Osama. And you are overstating what the CIA director said. The facts remain: 1. Bush and his cohorts failed to catch Osama. 2. Cheney, Bush & Rumsfeld, et al, lied us into an unnecessary and really stupid war for purely political reasons. 3. Bush blew more than a trillion dollars on that stupid war. 4. Bush hurt our reputation around the world. It's really funny that some of the Bush apologists are now trying to claim partial credit for the killing of Osama. Sorry, Repubs...that don't won't hunt. Your team failed. |
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Tim wrote:
Here, just for the fun of it... http://utopianist.com/wp-content/upl...lled-trump.jpg Funny and apt. Trump has at least temporarily replaced Limbaugh as holder of the WWF Political Sleaze belt. |
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On 04/05/2011 5:23 AM, Harryk wrote:
John H wrote: From yesterday's Washington Post: "U.S. analysts and operatives spent years figuring out the courier’s identity, senior administration officials said, concluding that he was a former protege of Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the self-declared mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks who is being held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The courier "had our constant attention," one official said. Detainees "identified this man as one of the few al-Qaeda couriers trusted by bin Laden, [and] indicated he might be living with or protecting bin Laden," the official said. But until four years ago, the United States was unable to track the courier down or uncover his real name. In 2009, U.S. officials narrowed down the region in Pakistan where the courier was working, senior administration officials said." 'Years' it says. "Four years ago..." Well, that dumps it in Bush's lap. http://tinyurl.com/6f65um6 Yesterday, Panetta admitted to Brian Williams that 'enhanced interrogation techniques', including waterboarding, provided intel which ultimately lead to the attack. http://tinyurl.com/6kz5423 I'll give Obama a 'C' for allowing the action to take place. He didn't do much else. If that's your evaluation, give Bush an "F," because he stated several times he just wasn't that interested in running down Osama. And you are overstating what the CIA director said. The facts remain: 1. Bush and his cohorts failed to catch Osama. 2. Cheney, Bush & Rumsfeld, et al, lied us into an unnecessary and really stupid war for purely political reasons. 3. Bush blew more than a trillion dollars on that stupid war. 4. Bush hurt our reputation around the world. It's really funny that some of the Bush apologists are now trying to claim partial credit for the killing of Osama. Sorry, Repubs...that don't won't hunt. Your team failed. And Obama agreed with Bush so what is your point? The reality is it became politically convenient to kill Osama. -- I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with fleabagger debt. A penny saved is a government oversight. |
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On 04/05/2011 5:50 AM, Tim wrote:
Here, just for the fun of it... http://utopianist.com/wp-content/upl...lled-trump.jpg I will say this, the timing of getting Osama Bin Laden stinks of politics. Don't get me wrong, Osama was a first class kill that was long over due. But right after the NATO/US-FR killed Gadhafi grand children and innocents in Libya and the growing lack of support of assassination without indictment, without due process? Osama had over 300 indictments and warrants. Obama even admitted he knew since August. But why just days after the child murders in Libya? Might I suggest it was about PR...not just Pakistan knew...US did too. It was about convenience to draw focus off of Libya NATO-US murders of the children. -- I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with fleabagger debt. A penny saved is a government oversight. |
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says... On 04/05/2011 5:50 AM, Tim wrote: Here, just for the fun of it... http://utopianist.com/wp-content/upl...lled-trump.jpg I will say this, the timing of getting Osama Bin Laden stinks of politics. Don't get me wrong, Osama was a first class kill that was long over due. But right after the NATO/US-FR killed Gadhafi grand children and innocents in Libya and the growing lack of support of assassination without indictment, without due process? Osama had over 300 indictments and warrants. Obama even admitted he knew since August. But why just days after the child murders in Libya? Might I suggest it was about PR...not just Pakistan knew...US did too. It was about convenience to draw focus off of Libya NATO-US murders of the children. Gotta' admit, just a week or so after officially kicking off his campaign for 2012, you could be on to something. Either way, it's now a campaign prop for Obama, and you can be sure nothing will be done for Americans until after the next election.. And if Obamas first term was any indication, nothing will get done then either. At least nothing but paying off the folks who re-elected him... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! |
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On Wed, 4 May 2011 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
Here, just for the fun of it... http://utopianist.com/wp-content/upl...lled-trump.jpg Careful, Tim. The liberals are already *extremely* upset that Osama didn't receive a fair trial, but was instead shot while defenseless. You know, I've reached a decision. When Harry accuses Scotty of pedophilia, and therefore is accusing Scotty's daughter of incest, I think he's committing a vile act. Likewise, when Scotty accuses Harry of pedophilia, without any basis, Scotty is committing a vile act. Therefore, I've decided to have nothing to do with either of them. They both owe each other an apology. Hopefully they're both man enough to do so. |
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says... On Wed, 4 May 2011 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: Here, just for the fun of it... http://utopianist.com/wp-content/upl...lled-trump.jpg Careful, Tim. The liberals are already *extremely* upset that Osama didn't receive a fair trial, but was instead shot while defenseless. You know, I've reached a decision. When Harry accuses Scotty of pedophilia, and therefore is accusing Scotty's daughter of incest, I think he's committing a vile act. Likewise, when Scotty accuses Harry of pedophilia, without any basis, Scotty is committing a vile act. Therefore, I've decided to have nothing to do with either of them. They both owe each other an apology. Hopefully they're both man enough to do so. You are such a suck up... Tim must be thrilled to have a dingleball like you... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! |
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On Wed, 04 May 2011 07:10:34 -0400, John H
wrote: From yesterday's Washington Post: "U.S. analysts and operatives spent years figuring out the courier’s identity, senior administration officials said, concluding that he was a former protege of Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the self-declared mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks who is being held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The courier "had our constant attention," one official said. Detainees "identified this man as one of the few al-Qaeda couriers trusted by bin Laden, [and] indicated he might be living with or protecting bin Laden," the official said. But until four years ago, the United States was unable to track the courier down or uncover his real name. In 2009, U.S. officials narrowed down the region in Pakistan where the courier was working, senior administration officials said." 'Years' it says. "Four years ago..." Well, that dumps it in Bush's lap. http://tinyurl.com/6f65um6 Yesterday, Panetta admitted to Brian Williams that 'enhanced interrogation techniques', including waterboarding, provided intel which ultimately lead to the attack. http://tinyurl.com/6kz5423 I'll give Obama a 'C' for allowing the action to take place. He didn't do much else. Wow... a racist and a liar gives Obama a "C". Call CNN. |
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On 04/05/2011 9:46 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In , says... On 04/05/2011 5:50 AM, Tim wrote: Here, just for the fun of it... http://utopianist.com/wp-content/upl...lled-trump.jpg I will say this, the timing of getting Osama Bin Laden stinks of politics. Don't get me wrong, Osama was a first class kill that was long over due. But right after the NATO/US-FR killed Gadhafi grand children and innocents in Libya and the growing lack of support of assassination without indictment, without due process? Osama had over 300 indictments and warrants. Obama even admitted he knew since August. But why just days after the child murders in Libya? Might I suggest it was about PR...not just Pakistan knew...US did too. It was about convenience to draw focus off of Libya NATO-US murders of the children. Gotta' admit, just a week or so after officially kicking off his campaign for 2012, you could be on to something. Either way, it's now a campaign prop for Obama, and you can be sure nothing will be done for Americans until after the next election.. And if Obamas first term was any indication, nothing will get done then either. At least nothing but paying off the folks who re-elected him... That too. Fleabaggers need to know Oama was exposed here too. Say Osama moved and temporary disappeared...and say a Republican stood up in congress and asked wide open, hey Obama, you knew where Osama was, WTF, why didn't you get him? The house would have caved in. And of course international assassinations had a bad name with NATO-US killing children. Time was right to play the card. But like any snake politician, he held it in his pocket for the right moment. -- I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with fleabagger debt. Take a look at ANY country, more debt more problems. So why do we allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed? |
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On 04/05/2011 9:46 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 4 May 2011 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Here, just for the fun of it... http://utopianist.com/wp-content/upl...lled-trump.jpg Careful, Tim. The liberals are already *extremely* upset that Osama didn't receive a fair trial, but was instead shot while defenseless. You know, I've reached a decision. When Harry accuses Scotty of pedophilia, and therefore is accusing Scotty's daughter of incest, I think he's committing a vile act. Likewise, when Scotty accuses Harry of pedophilia, without any basis, Scotty is committing a vile act. Therefore, I've decided to have nothing to do with either of them. They both owe each other an apology. Hopefully they're both man enough to do so. Freaking fleabagger lefties, didn't get to spend millions on useless liberal lawyers? Wow, my sympathies not. Osama needed it. Over 300 indictments and warrants properly processed from multiple countries...Osama just needed a bullet. Think of the money it saved taxpayers, the chopper loss was peanuts. Keeping Osama for trial then incareration costs... best spent bullets were the ones sent to Osama. -- I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with fleabagger debt. Take a look at ANY country, more debt more problems. So why do we allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed? |
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On 04/05/2011 9:29 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In , says... On 04/05/2011 5:23 AM, Harryk wrote: John H wrote: From yesterday's Washington Post: "U.S. analysts and operatives spent years figuring out the courier?s identity, senior administration officials said, concluding that he was a former protege of Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the self-declared mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks who is being held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The courier "had our constant attention," one official said. Detainees "identified this man as one of the few al-Qaeda couriers trusted by bin Laden, [and] indicated he might be living with or protecting bin Laden," the official said. But until four years ago, the United States was unable to track the courier down or uncover his real name. In 2009, U.S. officials narrowed down the region in Pakistan where the courier was working, senior administration officials said." 'Years' it says. "Four years ago..." Well, that dumps it in Bush's lap. http://tinyurl.com/6f65um6 Yesterday, Panetta admitted to Brian Williams that 'enhanced interrogation techniques', including waterboarding, provided intel which ultimately lead to the attack. http://tinyurl.com/6kz5423 I'll give Obama a 'C' for allowing the action to take place. He didn't do much else. If that's your evaluation, give Bush an "F," because he stated several times he just wasn't that interested in running down Osama. And you are overstating what the CIA director said. The facts remain: 1. Bush and his cohorts failed to catch Osama. 2. Cheney, Bush& Rumsfeld, et al, lied us into an unnecessary and really stupid war for purely political reasons. 3. Bush blew more than a trillion dollars on that stupid war. 4. Bush hurt our reputation around the world. It's really funny that some of the Bush apologists are now trying to claim partial credit for the killing of Osama. Sorry, Repubs...that don't won't hunt. Your team failed. And Obama agreed with Bush so what is your point? The reality is it became politically convenient to kill Osama. "Your team failed".. The moron really thinks Obama used a different "team" than Bush? Now that's rich... It was the same team, they just finally won. Hey, I am of the belief that both Bush AND Obama knew at various times where and when Osama was. But with the child murders by a NATO assassination attempt, tide turned on the assassination thing. Also, what if others knew Obama knew... Obama-2012 on the way, people want results out of this debt-suspender. Became politically the right time to actually get him. -- I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with fleabagger debt. Take a look at ANY country, more debt more problems. So why do we allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed? |
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says... On 04/05/2011 9:46 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 4 May 2011 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Here, just for the fun of it... http://utopianist.com/wp-content/upl...lled-trump.jpg Careful, Tim. The liberals are already *extremely* upset that Osama didn't receive a fair trial, but was instead shot while defenseless. You know, I've reached a decision. When Harry accuses Scotty of pedophilia, and therefore is accusing Scotty's daughter of incest, I think he's committing a vile act. Likewise, when Scotty accuses Harry of pedophilia, without any basis, Scotty is committing a vile act. Therefore, I've decided to have nothing to do with either of them. They both owe each other an apology. Hopefully they're both man enough to do so. Freaking fleabagger lefties, didn't get to spend millions on useless liberal lawyers? Wow, my sympathies not. Osama needed it. Over 300 indictments and warrants properly processed from multiple countries...Osama just needed a bullet. Think of the money it saved taxpayers, the chopper loss was peanuts. Keeping Osama for trial then incareration costs... best spent bullets were the ones sent to Osama. Just think of it as campaign finance... -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! |
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On Wed, 04 May 2011 09:23:22 -0700, wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2011 11:29:32 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2011 07:23:56 -0400, wrote: If that's your evaluation, give Bush an "F," because he stated several times he just wasn't that interested in running down Osama. I really think this was just to do what I have been saying we should be doing all along, lull OBL into a bit of complacency so we can catch up to him, Remember my squirrel hunting analogy. When you want to hunt squirrels you sit quietly by a tree and ignore them until they get comfortable enough to come out and run around. If you are looking for them you will seldom see them Note we are talking about wild squirrels, not the ones in your bird feeder. Even those would get pretty hard to find if you started shooting at them. Wow... you just can't help yourself in defending Bush can you. He screwed up this economy, he invaded a country that didn't attack us and lied about it to the American people, he gutted social programs here, and he ran our credibility into the ground. But all that's ok with you. Is there anything you don't know about or have predicted? You can go back and read what I predicted. Nostra-Fretwell, I presume? |
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On Wed, 04 May 2011 13:45:05 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 04 May 2011 09:23:22 -0700, wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2011 11:29:32 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2011 07:23:56 -0400, Harryk wrote: If that's your evaluation, give Bush an "F," because he stated several times he just wasn't that interested in running down Osama. I really think this was just to do what I have been saying we should be doing all along, lull OBL into a bit of complacency so we can catch up to him, Remember my squirrel hunting analogy. When you want to hunt squirrels you sit quietly by a tree and ignore them until they get comfortable enough to come out and run around. If you are looking for them you will seldom see them Note we are talking about wild squirrels, not the ones in your bird feeder. Even those would get pretty hard to find if you started shooting at them. Wow... you just can't help yourself in defending Bush can you. He screwed up this economy, he invaded a country that didn't attack us and lied about it to the American people, he gutted social programs here, and he ran our credibility into the ground. But all that's ok with you. Is there anything you don't know about or have predicted? You can go back and read what I predicted. No thanks. You're no oracle and anyone with half a brain can use enough wiggle language to claim an accurate prediction. |
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On Wed, 04 May 2011 13:40:34 -0400, Harryk
wrote: wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2011 07:23:56 -0400, wrote: If that's your evaluation, give Bush an "F," because he stated several times he just wasn't that interested in running down Osama. I really think this was just to do what I have been saying we should be doing all along, lull OBL into a bit of complacency so we can catch up to him, Remember my squirrel hunting analogy. When you want to hunt squirrels you sit quietly by a tree and ignore them until they get comfortable enough to come out and run around. If you are looking for them you will seldom see them Note we are talking about wild squirrels, not the ones in your bird feeder. Even those would get pretty hard to find if you started shooting at them. Osama apparently moved to his palatial estate in 2005 or 2006, during the Bush Admin, when it became apparent the Bush Admin was not looking for him. Yeah, but Bush was going to "smoke him out." Maybe he was talking about Cheney? |
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On Wed, 04 May 2011 15:25:15 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 04 May 2011 11:38:43 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: On 04/05/2011 9:46 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 4 May 2011 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Here, just for the fun of it... http://utopianist.com/wp-content/upl...lled-trump.jpg Careful, Tim. The liberals are already *extremely* upset that Osama didn't receive a fair trial, but was instead shot while defenseless. You know, I've reached a decision. When Harry accuses Scotty of pedophilia, and therefore is accusing Scotty's daughter of incest, I think he's committing a vile act. Likewise, when Scotty accuses Harry of pedophilia, without any basis, Scotty is committing a vile act. Therefore, I've decided to have nothing to do with either of them. They both owe each other an apology. Hopefully they're both man enough to do so. Freaking fleabagger lefties, didn't get to spend millions on useless liberal lawyers? Wow, my sympathies not. Osama needed it. Over 300 indictments and warrants properly processed from multiple countries...Osama just needed a bullet. Think of the money it saved taxpayers, the chopper loss was peanuts. Keeping Osama for trial then incareration costs... best spent bullets were the ones sent to Osama. I am happy that Obama has repealed the flawed Carter policy of not targeting people for assassination. Maybe some day we can return to the Eisenhower policy of shaping civil war outcomes using covert means and without sending in a 150,000 troops. It was certainly clear that we could have taken OBL alive but they made the right choice and blew his head off on site. Plume, before you protest that, are you really saying a SEAL could not have wrestled a sickly, 54 year old, unarmed man to the ground if he wanted to? They saw him, they shot him end of story. There was no such repeal of any policy. We target people all the time. I believe it's mostly appropriate, given what they've done or are doing. So, you're claiming to know all the details of the raid, including the motion by motion action? Sounds to me like you really don't give Obama an "A". Rather, you're just looking for a way to put him down. |
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On Wed, 04 May 2011 15:25:15 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 04 May 2011 11:38:43 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: On 04/05/2011 9:46 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 4 May 2011 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Here, just for the fun of it... http://utopianist.com/wp-content/upl...lled-trump.jpg Careful, Tim. The liberals are already *extremely* upset that Osama didn't receive a fair trial, but was instead shot while defenseless. You know, I've reached a decision. When Harry accuses Scotty of pedophilia, and therefore is accusing Scotty's daughter of incest, I think he's committing a vile act. Likewise, when Scotty accuses Harry of pedophilia, without any basis, Scotty is committing a vile act. Therefore, I've decided to have nothing to do with either of them. They both owe each other an apology. Hopefully they're both man enough to do so. Freaking fleabagger lefties, didn't get to spend millions on useless liberal lawyers? Wow, my sympathies not. Osama needed it. Over 300 indictments and warrants properly processed from multiple countries...Osama just needed a bullet. Think of the money it saved taxpayers, the chopper loss was peanuts. Keeping Osama for trial then incareration costs... best spent bullets were the ones sent to Osama. I am happy that Obama has repealed the flawed Carter policy of not targeting people for assassination. Maybe some day we can return to the Eisenhower policy of shaping civil war outcomes using covert means and without sending in a 150,000 troops. It was certainly clear that we could have taken OBL alive but they made the right choice and blew his head off on site. Plume, before you protest that, are you really saying a SEAL could not have wrestled a sickly, 54 year old, unarmed man to the ground if he wanted to? They saw him, they shot him end of story. Ah yes, but was it 'a return to American values'? Don't you think there are a whole lot of disappointed ACLU lawyers now? If 'hurting' the prisoners at Gitmo is 'inhumane' and violates their 'civil rights', how can shooting one be any better? If I were a liberal (which I'm not), and if I were glad we shot Osama (which I am), then I'd have a hard time reconciling the shooting of the guy. |
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On Wed, 04 May 2011 10:55:14 -0700, wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2011 12:19:08 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2011 09:14:47 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: And Obama agreed with Bush so what is your point? The reality is it became politically convenient to kill Osama. -- I think Obama went as quickly as he could. They did not want to **** this up so they built a mock up of the compound and trained for months to get it right., I really think the populace will have forgotten about this by 3q12 anyway. There will be dozens of things that went through the news cycle by then. The election is still going to come down to mundane things like gas prices, unemployment and I bet inflation will have showed it's ugly head by then. Obama's biggest fear is going to be the recurrence of the terms "malaise" and "stagflation". Really? His biggest fear? There's no indication of either of those things. There is no indication of inflation??? Do you go to the grocery store or a gas station? Have you paid any "fuel surcharges" lately? The falling dollar is going to make that a lot worse since we import most of our hard goods these days. As for malaise, have you read any of Bob's posts. That is one depressed man. Maybe he read the Daily Beast article about the worst 10 college degrees you can seek, based on what you can expect to earn. "Chemistry" is #9. It was in Newsweek this week (the one with the royals on the cover) Aside from gas prices, nothing much is happening, and even those are likely temporary. Of course, for you, the sky is continually falling. I hope you haven't made any plans for after May 21st. Now you're claiming that because one person complains, therefore, there is a general malaise. Whatever. |
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On Wed, 04 May 2011 11:38:43 -0600, wrote: On 04/05/2011 9:46 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 4 May 2011 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Here, just for the fun of it... http://utopianist.com/wp-content/upl...lled-trump.jpg Careful, Tim. The liberals are already *extremely* upset that Osama didn't receive a fair trial, but was instead shot while defenseless. You know, I've reached a decision. When Harry accuses Scotty of pedophilia, and therefore is accusing Scotty's daughter of incest, I think he's committing a vile act. Likewise, when Scotty accuses Harry of pedophilia, without any basis, Scotty is committing a vile act. Therefore, I've decided to have nothing to do with either of them. They both owe each other an apology. Hopefully they're both man enough to do so. Freaking fleabagger lefties, didn't get to spend millions on useless liberal lawyers? Wow, my sympathies not. Osama needed it. Over 300 indictments and warrants properly processed from multiple countries...Osama just needed a bullet. Think of the money it saved taxpayers, the chopper loss was peanuts. Keeping Osama for trial then incareration costs... best spent bullets were the ones sent to Osama. I am happy that Obama has repealed the flawed Carter policy of not targeting people for assassination. Maybe some day we can return to the Eisenhower policy of shaping civil war outcomes using covert means and without sending in a 150,000 troops. It was certainly clear that we could have taken OBL alive but they made the right choice and blew his head off on site. Plume, before you protest that, are you really saying a SEAL could not have wrestled a sickly, 54 year old, unarmed man to the ground if he wanted to? They saw him, they shot him end of story. I prefer to deal with what we know...or were told. We were told Osama was given an opportunity to surrender and live or go out in a blaze of what he probably assumed was glory. We were told he chose the latter. That's no different than the choices the police in this country offer dangerous fugitives who they have cornered or who respond by opening fire. It usually is referred to as "Death by Cop." Assuming that was the case, I don't have a problem with the outcome. A trial would have been long and messy, but it is our way to try criminals and prove their guilt in a court of law. To dispose of criminals otherwise brings us down to the level of the terrorists. |
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On Wed, 04 May 2011 15:25:15 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2011 11:38:43 -0600, wrote: On 04/05/2011 9:46 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 4 May 2011 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Here, just for the fun of it... http://utopianist.com/wp-content/upl...lled-trump.jpg Careful, Tim. The liberals are already *extremely* upset that Osama didn't receive a fair trial, but was instead shot while defenseless. You know, I've reached a decision. When Harry accuses Scotty of pedophilia, and therefore is accusing Scotty's daughter of incest, I think he's committing a vile act. Likewise, when Scotty accuses Harry of pedophilia, without any basis, Scotty is committing a vile act. Therefore, I've decided to have nothing to do with either of them. They both owe each other an apology. Hopefully they're both man enough to do so. Freaking fleabagger lefties, didn't get to spend millions on useless liberal lawyers? Wow, my sympathies not. Osama needed it. Over 300 indictments and warrants properly processed from multiple countries...Osama just needed a bullet. Think of the money it saved taxpayers, the chopper loss was peanuts. Keeping Osama for trial then incareration costs... best spent bullets were the ones sent to Osama. I am happy that Obama has repealed the flawed Carter policy of not targeting people for assassination. Maybe some day we can return to the Eisenhower policy of shaping civil war outcomes using covert means and without sending in a 150,000 troops. It was certainly clear that we could have taken OBL alive but they made the right choice and blew his head off on site. Plume, before you protest that, are you really saying a SEAL could not have wrestled a sickly, 54 year old, unarmed man to the ground if he wanted to? They saw him, they shot him end of story. Ah yes, but was it 'a return to American values'? Don't you think there are a whole lot of disappointed ACLU lawyers now? If 'hurting' the prisoners at Gitmo is 'inhumane' and violates their 'civil rights', how can shooting one be any better? If I were a liberal (which I'm not), and if I were glad we shot Osama (which I am), then I'd have a hard time reconciling the shooting of the guy. Ahh, but you don't believe in the American justice system. |
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On 04/05/2011 1:25 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 May 2011 11:38:43 -0600, wrote: On 04/05/2011 9:46 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 4 May 2011 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Here, just for the fun of it... http://utopianist.com/wp-content/upl...lled-trump.jpg Careful, Tim. The liberals are already *extremely* upset that Osama didn't receive a fair trial, but was instead shot while defenseless. You know, I've reached a decision. When Harry accuses Scotty of pedophilia, and therefore is accusing Scotty's daughter of incest, I think he's committing a vile act. Likewise, when Scotty accuses Harry of pedophilia, without any basis, Scotty is committing a vile act. Therefore, I've decided to have nothing to do with either of them. They both owe each other an apology. Hopefully they're both man enough to do so. Freaking fleabagger lefties, didn't get to spend millions on useless liberal lawyers? Wow, my sympathies not. Osama needed it. Over 300 indictments and warrants properly processed from multiple countries...Osama just needed a bullet. Think of the money it saved taxpayers, the chopper loss was peanuts. Keeping Osama for trial then incareration costs... best spent bullets were the ones sent to Osama. I am happy that Obama has repealed the flawed Carter policy of not targeting people for assassination. Maybe some day we can return to the Eisenhower policy of shaping civil war outcomes using covert means and without sending in a 150,000 troops. Depends on the reasons for such interferences. Can too easily get out of control. Take Kadafi. I know, he has done stuff in the past, but recently he has been a good boy. No one questions why wait so long? Why no indictments or proper warrants? While Osama is obvious, Kadafi is somewhat different. The REAL reasons for the assassination attempts a - control of the Central Bank of Libya, solvent bank too not a IMF bank cartel subservient bank either. - oil, no explanation needed. - might have nationalised some US-Euro interests. - was instrumental player in a United West African State. (colonial control wouldn't like this any more than the formation of the 13 states in America and for the same reasons). - he was a socialist, a lot of revenue was spread around. Nope, big money and big power is why NATO-US-UN-France regime wants him. No act of war either...no congressional approval if you use the UN-NATO thing so in fact bypasses the meaning of US law. And killing children for this corruption? If it had been an attack on the US, go for it. But Kadafi is no threat to the US popper. Nope, Obama wanting Kadafi assassinated is for political revenge and control and not democratic or sovereign reasons. It was certainly clear that we could have taken OBL alive but they made the right choice and blew his head off on site. Who knows, maybe he is alive, pumped up with drugs and talking. Plume, before you protest that, are you really saying a SEAL could not have wrestled a sickly, 54 year old, unarmed man to the ground if he wanted to? They saw him, they shot him end of story. Good enough for me. I would not want the Seal to take any risks to self or in losing the target. Haven't seen plumer posts, filters working good. -- I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with fleabagger debt. Take a look at ANY country, more debt more problems. So why do we allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed? |
Where should the credit go?
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says... wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2011 11:38:43 -0600, wrote: On 04/05/2011 9:46 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 4 May 2011 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Here, just for the fun of it... http://utopianist.com/wp-content/upl...lled-trump.jpg Careful, Tim. The liberals are already *extremely* upset that Osama didn't receive a fair trial, but was instead shot while defenseless. You know, I've reached a decision. When Harry accuses Scotty of pedophilia, and therefore is accusing Scotty's daughter of incest, I think he's committing a vile act. Likewise, when Scotty accuses Harry of pedophilia, without any basis, Scotty is committing a vile act. Therefore, I've decided to have nothing to do with either of them. They both owe each other an apology. Hopefully they're both man enough to do so. Freaking fleabagger lefties, didn't get to spend millions on useless liberal lawyers? Wow, my sympathies not. Osama needed it. Over 300 indictments and warrants properly processed from multiple countries...Osama just needed a bullet. Think of the money it saved taxpayers, the chopper loss was peanuts. Keeping Osama for trial then incareration costs... best spent bullets were the ones sent to Osama. I am happy that Obama has repealed the flawed Carter policy of not targeting people for assassination. Maybe some day we can return to the Eisenhower policy of shaping civil war outcomes using covert means and without sending in a 150,000 troops. It was certainly clear that we could have taken OBL alive but they made the right choice and blew his head off on site. Plume, before you protest that, are you really saying a SEAL could not have wrestled a sickly, 54 year old, unarmed man to the ground if he wanted to? They saw him, they shot him end of story. I prefer to deal with what we know...or were told. We were told Osama was given an opportunity to surrender and live or go out in a blaze of what he probably assumed was glory. We were told he chose the latter. That's no different than the choices the police in this country offer dangerous fugitives who they have cornered or who respond by opening fire. It usually is referred to as "Death by Cop." Assuming that was the case, I don't have a problem with the outcome. A trial would have been long and messy, but it is our way to try criminals and prove their guilt in a court of law. To dispose of criminals otherwise brings us down to the level of the terrorists. There is no better suited or trained outfit in the world so capable of even taking an armed, attacking person with non-lethal force. If they wanted him alive, they would have taken him alive... He, like many others over there know too much about what Pakistan, and even we knew about his existence for the last ten years... They wanted him dead, and they are the best at that too. -- Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life! |
Where should the credit go?
On 5/4/2011 3:57 PM, Harryk wrote:
John H wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2011 15:25:15 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2011 11:38:43 -0600, wrote: On 04/05/2011 9:46 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 4 May 2011 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Here, just for the fun of it... http://utopianist.com/wp-content/upl...lled-trump.jpg Careful, Tim. The liberals are already *extremely* upset that Osama didn't receive a fair trial, but was instead shot while defenseless. You know, I've reached a decision. When Harry accuses Scotty of pedophilia, and therefore is accusing Scotty's daughter of incest, I think he's committing a vile act. Likewise, when Scotty accuses Harry of pedophilia, without any basis, Scotty is committing a vile act. Therefore, I've decided to have nothing to do with either of them. They both owe each other an apology. Hopefully they're both man enough to do so. Freaking fleabagger lefties, didn't get to spend millions on useless liberal lawyers? Wow, my sympathies not. Osama needed it. Over 300 indictments and warrants properly processed from multiple countries...Osama just needed a bullet. Think of the money it saved taxpayers, the chopper loss was peanuts. Keeping Osama for trial then incareration costs... best spent bullets were the ones sent to Osama. I am happy that Obama has repealed the flawed Carter policy of not targeting people for assassination. Maybe some day we can return to the Eisenhower policy of shaping civil war outcomes using covert means and without sending in a 150,000 troops. It was certainly clear that we could have taken OBL alive but they made the right choice and blew his head off on site. Plume, before you protest that, are you really saying a SEAL could not have wrestled a sickly, 54 year old, unarmed man to the ground if he wanted to? They saw him, they shot him end of story. Ah yes, but was it 'a return to American values'? Don't you think there are a whole lot of disappointed ACLU lawyers now? If 'hurting' the prisoners at Gitmo is 'inhumane' and violates their 'civil rights', how can shooting one be any better? If I were a liberal (which I'm not), and if I were glad we shot Osama (which I am), then I'd have a hard time reconciling the shooting of the guy. Ahh, but you don't believe in the American justice system. Do you remember when you wanted Chaney's head on a pike? |
Where should the credit go?
On 04/05/2011 1:57 PM, Harryk wrote:
wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2011 11:38:43 -0600, wrote: On 04/05/2011 9:46 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 4 May 2011 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Here, just for the fun of it... http://utopianist.com/wp-content/upl...lled-trump.jpg Careful, Tim. The liberals are already *extremely* upset that Osama didn't receive a fair trial, but was instead shot while defenseless. You know, I've reached a decision. When Harry accuses Scotty of pedophilia, and therefore is accusing Scotty's daughter of incest, I think he's committing a vile act. Likewise, when Scotty accuses Harry of pedophilia, without any basis, Scotty is committing a vile act. Therefore, I've decided to have nothing to do with either of them. They both owe each other an apology. Hopefully they're both man enough to do so. Freaking fleabagger lefties, didn't get to spend millions on useless liberal lawyers? Wow, my sympathies not. Osama needed it. Over 300 indictments and warrants properly processed from multiple countries...Osama just needed a bullet. Think of the money it saved taxpayers, the chopper loss was peanuts. Keeping Osama for trial then incareration costs... best spent bullets were the ones sent to Osama. I am happy that Obama has repealed the flawed Carter policy of not targeting people for assassination. Maybe some day we can return to the Eisenhower policy of shaping civil war outcomes using covert means and without sending in a 150,000 troops. It was certainly clear that we could have taken OBL alive but they made the right choice and blew his head off on site. Plume, before you protest that, are you really saying a SEAL could not have wrestled a sickly, 54 year old, unarmed man to the ground if he wanted to? They saw him, they shot him end of story. I prefer to deal with what we know...or were told. We were told Osama was given an opportunity to surrender and live or go out in a blaze of what he probably assumed was glory. We were told he chose the latter. That's no different than the choices the police in this country offer dangerous fugitives who they have cornered or who respond by opening fire. It usually is referred to as "Death by Cop." Assuming that was the case, I don't have a problem with the outcome. A trial would have been long and messy, but it is our way to try criminals and prove their guilt in a court of law. To dispose of criminals otherwise brings us down to the level of the terrorists. Hey HarryK and the rest of the fleabaggers, Osama had 9 1/2 years to surrender for 9/11, longer for other charges...and who cares about the many others... Bag'n'tag. -- I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with fleabagger debt. Take a look at ANY country, more debt more problems. So why do we allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed? |
Where should the credit go?
On Wed, 04 May 2011 15:57:58 -0400, Harryk
wrote: John H wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2011 15:25:15 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2011 11:38:43 -0600, wrote: On 04/05/2011 9:46 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 4 May 2011 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Here, just for the fun of it... http://utopianist.com/wp-content/upl...lled-trump.jpg Careful, Tim. The liberals are already *extremely* upset that Osama didn't receive a fair trial, but was instead shot while defenseless. You know, I've reached a decision. When Harry accuses Scotty of pedophilia, and therefore is accusing Scotty's daughter of incest, I think he's committing a vile act. Likewise, when Scotty accuses Harry of pedophilia, without any basis, Scotty is committing a vile act. Therefore, I've decided to have nothing to do with either of them. They both owe each other an apology. Hopefully they're both man enough to do so. Freaking fleabagger lefties, didn't get to spend millions on useless liberal lawyers? Wow, my sympathies not. Osama needed it. Over 300 indictments and warrants properly processed from multiple countries...Osama just needed a bullet. Think of the money it saved taxpayers, the chopper loss was peanuts. Keeping Osama for trial then incareration costs... best spent bullets were the ones sent to Osama. I am happy that Obama has repealed the flawed Carter policy of not targeting people for assassination. Maybe some day we can return to the Eisenhower policy of shaping civil war outcomes using covert means and without sending in a 150,000 troops. It was certainly clear that we could have taken OBL alive but they made the right choice and blew his head off on site. Plume, before you protest that, are you really saying a SEAL could not have wrestled a sickly, 54 year old, unarmed man to the ground if he wanted to? They saw him, they shot him end of story. Ah yes, but was it 'a return to American values'? Don't you think there are a whole lot of disappointed ACLU lawyers now? If 'hurting' the prisoners at Gitmo is 'inhumane' and violates their 'civil rights', how can shooting one be any better? If I were a liberal (which I'm not), and if I were glad we shot Osama (which I am), then I'd have a hard time reconciling the shooting of the guy. Ahh, but you don't believe in the American justice system. Name three racist liars who do. |
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On Wed, 04 May 2011 12:42:22 -0700, sent the
following message On Wed, 04 May 2011 15:25:15 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2011 11:38:43 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: On 04/05/2011 9:46 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 4 May 2011 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Here, just for the fun of it... http://utopianist.com/wp-content/upl...ama-bin-laden- killed-trump.jpg Careful, Tim. The liberals are already *extremely* upset that Osama didn't receive a fair trial, but was instead shot while defenseless. You know, I've reached a decision. When Harry accuses Scotty of pedophilia, and therefore is accusing Scotty's daughter of incest, I think he's committing a vile act. Likewise, when Scotty accuses Harry of pedophilia, without any basis, Scotty is committing a vile act. Therefore, I've decided to have nothing to do with either of them. They both owe each other an apology. Hopefully they're both man enough to do so. Freaking fleabagger lefties, didn't get to spend millions on useless liberal lawyers? Wow, my sympathies not. Osama needed it. Over 300 indictments and warrants properly processed from multiple countries...Osama just needed a bullet. Think of the money it saved taxpayers, the chopper loss was peanuts. Keeping Osama for trial then incareration costs... best spent bullets were the ones sent to Osama. I am happy that Obama has repealed the flawed Carter policy of not targeting people for assassination. Maybe some day we can return to the Eisenhower policy of shaping civil war outcomes using covert means and without sending in a 150,000 troops. It was certainly clear that we could have taken OBL alive but they made the right choice and blew his head off on site. Plume, before you protest that, are you really saying a SEAL could not have wrestled a sickly, 54 year old, unarmed man to the ground if he wanted to? They saw him, they shot him end of story. There was no such repeal of any policy. We target people all the time. I believe it's mostly appropriate, given what they've done or are doing. So, you're claiming to know all the details of the raid, including the motion by motion action? Sounds to me like you really don't give Obama an "A". Rather, you're just looking for a way to put him down. I'll igive him an A+ for Asshat. I guess it's ok for your guy to murder a suspected terrorist. I expect you'll be wanting to eliminate any terrorist you come across, now the precident has been set. Might as well start in Gitmo I guess GWB wasn't so inhumane after all. I also understand a little gentle waterboarding and mild torture helped to extract vital intel leading to OBLs discovery. You can apologise to the prior administration whenever you are man enough. Snerk |
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On Wed, 04 May 2011 11:42:55 -0600, Canuck57
sent the following message On 04/05/2011 9:29 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote: In , says... On 04/05/2011 5:23 AM, Harryk wrote: John H wrote: From yesterday's Washington Post: "U.S. analysts and operatives spent years figuring out the courier?s identity, senior administration officials said, concluding that he was a former protege of Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the self-declared mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks who is being held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The courier "had our constant attention," one official said. Detainees "identified this man as one of the few al-Qaeda couriers trusted by bin Laden, [and] indicated he might be living with or protecting bin Laden," the official said. But until four years ago, the United States was unable to track the courier down or uncover his real name. In 2009, U.S. officials narrowed down the region in Pakistan where the courier was working, senior administration officials said." 'Years' it says. "Four years ago..." Well, that dumps it in Bush's lap. http://tinyurl.com/6f65um6 Yesterday, Panetta admitted to Brian Williams that 'enhanced interrogation techniques', including waterboarding, provided intel which ultimately lead to the attack. http://tinyurl.com/6kz5423 I'll give Obama a 'C' for allowing the action to take place. He didn't do much else. If that's your evaluation, give Bush an "F," because he stated several times he just wasn't that interested in running down Osama. And you are overstating what the CIA director said. The facts remain: 1. Bush and his cohorts failed to catch Osama. 2. Cheney, Bush& Rumsfeld, et al, lied us into an unnecessary and really stupid war for purely political reasons. 3. Bush blew more than a trillion dollars on that stupid war. 4. Bush hurt our reputation around the world. It's really funny that some of the Bush apologists are now trying to claim partial credit for the killing of Osama. Sorry, Repubs...that don't won't hunt. Your team failed. And Obama agreed with Bush so what is your point? The reality is it became politically convenient to kill Osama. "Your team failed".. The moron really thinks Obama used a different "team" than Bush? Now that's rich... It was the same team, they just finally won. Hey, I am of the belief that both Bush AND Obama knew at various times where and when Osama was. But with the child murders by a NATO assassination attempt, tide turned on the assassination thing. Also, what if others knew Obama knew... Obama-2012 on the way, people want results out of this debt-suspender. Became politically the right time to actually get him. -- I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with fleabagger debt. Take a look at ANY country, more debt more problems. So why do we allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed? Politically the right time. Thats right. |
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On Wed, 04 May 2011 15:25:15 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 04 May 2011 11:38:43 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: On 04/05/2011 9:46 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 4 May 2011 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Here, just for the fun of it... http://utopianist.com/wp-content/upl...lled-trump.jpg Careful, Tim. The liberals are already *extremely* upset that Osama didn't receive a fair trial, but was instead shot while defenseless. You know, I've reached a decision. When Harry accuses Scotty of pedophilia, and therefore is accusing Scotty's daughter of incest, I think he's committing a vile act. Likewise, when Scotty accuses Harry of pedophilia, without any basis, Scotty is committing a vile act. Therefore, I've decided to have nothing to do with either of them. They both owe each other an apology. Hopefully they're both man enough to do so. Freaking fleabagger lefties, didn't get to spend millions on useless liberal lawyers? Wow, my sympathies not. Osama needed it. Over 300 indictments and warrants properly processed from multiple countries...Osama just needed a bullet. Think of the money it saved taxpayers, the chopper loss was peanuts. Keeping Osama for trial then incareration costs... best spent bullets were the ones sent to Osama. I am happy that Obama has repealed the flawed Carter policy of not targeting people for assassination. Maybe some day we can return to the Eisenhower policy of shaping civil war outcomes using covert means and without sending in a 150,000 troops. It was certainly clear that we could have taken OBL alive but they made the right choice and blew his head off on site. Plume, before you protest that, are you really saying a SEAL could not have wrestled a sickly, 54 year old, unarmed man to the ground if he wanted to? They saw him, they shot him end of story. It was the right thing to do. Capturing him alive would have led to no end of complications and repercussions. |
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On Wed, 04 May 2011 20:17:07 -0400, Wayne B
wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2011 15:25:15 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2011 11:38:43 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: On 04/05/2011 9:46 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 4 May 2011 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Here, just for the fun of it... http://utopianist.com/wp-content/upl...lled-trump.jpg Careful, Tim. The liberals are already *extremely* upset that Osama didn't receive a fair trial, but was instead shot while defenseless. You know, I've reached a decision. When Harry accuses Scotty of pedophilia, and therefore is accusing Scotty's daughter of incest, I think he's committing a vile act. Likewise, when Scotty accuses Harry of pedophilia, without any basis, Scotty is committing a vile act. Therefore, I've decided to have nothing to do with either of them. They both owe each other an apology. Hopefully they're both man enough to do so. Freaking fleabagger lefties, didn't get to spend millions on useless liberal lawyers? Wow, my sympathies not. Osama needed it. Over 300 indictments and warrants properly processed from multiple countries...Osama just needed a bullet. Think of the money it saved taxpayers, the chopper loss was peanuts. Keeping Osama for trial then incareration costs... best spent bullets were the ones sent to Osama. I am happy that Obama has repealed the flawed Carter policy of not targeting people for assassination. Maybe some day we can return to the Eisenhower policy of shaping civil war outcomes using covert means and without sending in a 150,000 troops. It was certainly clear that we could have taken OBL alive but they made the right choice and blew his head off on site. Plume, before you protest that, are you really saying a SEAL could not have wrestled a sickly, 54 year old, unarmed man to the ground if he wanted to? They saw him, they shot him end of story. It was the right thing to do. Capturing him alive would have led to no end of complications and repercussions. We don't even know the details (perhaps never will) about the circumstances. I don't rejoice in anyone's death, even a horrible person such as OBL. I think him spending the rest of his life in a 8x10 cage, 23 hours a day sounds about right. |
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