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Where should the credit go?
On 04/05/2011 6:50 PM, Gene wrote:
On Wed, 04 May 2011 07:10:34 -0400, John wrote: From yesterday's Washington Post: "U.S. analysts and operatives spent years figuring out the courier’s identity, senior administration officials said, concluding that he was a former protege of Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the self-declared mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks who is being held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The courier "had our constant attention," one official said. Detainees "identified this man as one of the few al-Qaeda couriers trusted by bin Laden, [and] indicated he might be living with or protecting bin Laden," the official said. But until four years ago, the United States was unable to track the courier down or uncover his real name. In 2009, U.S. officials narrowed down the region in Pakistan where the courier was working, senior administration officials said." 'Years' it says. "Four years ago..." Well, that dumps it in Bush's lap. http://tinyurl.com/6f65um6 Yesterday, Panetta admitted to Brian Williams that 'enhanced interrogation techniques', including waterboarding, provided intel which ultimately lead to the attack. http://tinyurl.com/6kz5423 I'll give Obama a 'C' for allowing the action to take place. He didn't do much else. You would benefit from a deeper pursuit of this than what Panetta said. He was wrong about releasing photos and he was wrong about reliable responses from people under torture. I don't know how we got so stupid, but we had a LOT more effective interrogation techniques when dealing with captured Japanese in WWII than we do now..... Funny, with todays cocktails (drugs) I would have thought the opposite unless years of apathy have set in. -- I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with fleabagger debt. Take a look at ANY country, more debt more problems. So why do we allow our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed, denial? |
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On Wed, 04 May 2011 20:50:46 -0400, Gene
wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2011 07:10:34 -0400, John H wrote: From yesterday's Washington Post: "U.S. analysts and operatives spent years figuring out the courier’s identity, senior administration officials said, concluding that he was a former protege of Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the self-declared mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks who is being held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The courier "had our constant attention," one official said. Detainees "identified this man as one of the few al-Qaeda couriers trusted by bin Laden, [and] indicated he might be living with or protecting bin Laden," the official said. But until four years ago, the United States was unable to track the courier down or uncover his real name. In 2009, U.S. officials narrowed down the region in Pakistan where the courier was working, senior administration officials said." 'Years' it says. "Four years ago..." Well, that dumps it in Bush's lap. http://tinyurl.com/6f65um6 Yesterday, Panetta admitted to Brian Williams that 'enhanced interrogation techniques', including waterboarding, provided intel which ultimately lead to the attack. http://tinyurl.com/6kz5423 I'll give Obama a 'C' for allowing the action to take place. He didn't do much else. You would benefit from a deeper pursuit of this than what Panetta said. He was wrong about releasing photos and he was wrong about reliable responses from people under torture. I don't know how we got so stupid, but we had a LOT more effective interrogation techniques when dealing with captured Japanese in WWII than we do now..... JohnH continues to qualify himself as a partisan hack. When Bush did well, there wasn't a liberal here who wasn't willing to give credit. Obama revived a group that Bush had disbanded and those are the people who doggedly pursued this to the conclusion we've witnessed. Bush never had much patience, being a petulant little boy. |
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#43
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Canuck57 wrote:
On 04/05/2011 6:50 PM, Gene wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2011 07:10:34 -0400, John wrote: From yesterday's Washington Post: "U.S. analysts and operatives spent years figuring out the courier’s identity, senior administration officials said, concluding that he was a former protege of Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the self-declared mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks who is being held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The courier "had our constant attention," one official said. Detainees "identified this man as one of the few al-Qaeda couriers trusted by bin Laden, [and] indicated he might be living with or protecting bin Laden," the official said. But until four years ago, the United States was unable to track the courier down or uncover his real name. In 2009, U.S. officials narrowed down the region in Pakistan where the courier was working, senior administration officials said." 'Years' it says. "Four years ago..." Well, that dumps it in Bush's lap. http://tinyurl.com/6f65um6 Yesterday, Panetta admitted to Brian Williams that 'enhanced interrogation techniques', including waterboarding, provided intel which ultimately lead to the attack. http://tinyurl.com/6kz5423 I'll give Obama a 'C' for allowing the action to take place. He didn't do much else. You would benefit from a deeper pursuit of this than what Panetta said. He was wrong about releasing photos and he was wrong about reliable responses from people under torture. I don't know how we got so stupid, but we had a LOT more effective interrogation techniques when dealing with captured Japanese in WWII than we do now..... Funny, with todays cocktails (drugs) I would have thought the opposite unless years of apathy have set in. You know about as much about that as you know about paper and documents. In short, you know nothing. |
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#44
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On Wed, 04 May 2011 20:50:46 -0400, Gene wrote:
On Wed, 04 May 2011 07:10:34 -0400, John H wrote: From yesterday's Washington Post: "U.S. analysts and operatives spent years figuring out the courier’s identity, senior administration officials said, concluding that he was a former protege of Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the self-declared mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks who is being held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The courier "had our constant attention," one official said. Detainees "identified this man as one of the few al-Qaeda couriers trusted by bin Laden, [and] indicated he might be living with or protecting bin Laden," the official said. But until four years ago, the United States was unable to track the courier down or uncover his real name. In 2009, U.S. officials narrowed down the region in Pakistan where the courier was working, senior administration officials said." 'Years' it says. "Four years ago..." Well, that dumps it in Bush's lap. http://tinyurl.com/6f65um6 Yesterday, Panetta admitted to Brian Williams that 'enhanced interrogation techniques', including waterboarding, provided intel which ultimately lead to the attack. http://tinyurl.com/6kz5423 I'll give Obama a 'C' for allowing the action to take place. He didn't do much else. You would benefit from a deeper pursuit of this than what Panetta said. He was wrong about releasing photos and he was wrong about reliable responses from people under torture. I don't know how we got so stupid, but we had a LOT more effective interrogation techniques when dealing with captured Japanese in WWII than we do now..... Release of the photos was his opinion. Are you saying he lied about the 'enhanced interrogation techniques'? Would Obama knowingly keep a liar in such a job? |
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#45
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On May 4, 8:50*pm, Gene wrote:
On Wed, 04 May 2011 07:10:34 -0400, John H wrote: From yesterday's Washington Post: "U.S. analysts and operatives spent years figuring out the courier’s identity, senior administration officials said, concluding that he was a former protege of Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the self-declared mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks who is being held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The courier "had our constant attention," one official said. Detainees "identified this man as one of the few al-Qaeda couriers trusted by bin Laden, [and] indicated he might be living with or protecting bin Laden," the official said. But until four years ago, the United States was unable to track the courier down or uncover his real name. In 2009, U.S. officials narrowed down the region in Pakistan where the courier was working, senior administration officials said." 'Years' it says. "Four years ago..." Well, that dumps it in Bush's lap. http://tinyurl.com/6f65um6 Yesterday, Panetta admitted to Brian Williams that 'enhanced interrogation techniques', including waterboarding, provided intel which ultimately lead to the attack. http://tinyurl.com/6kz5423 I'll give Obama a 'C' for allowing the action to take place. He didn't do much else. You would benefit from a deeper pursuit of this than what Panetta said. He was wrong about releasing photos and he was wrong about reliable responses from people under torture. I don't know how we got so stupid, but we had a LOT more effective interrogation techniques when dealing with captured Japanese in WWII than we do now..... -- Forté Agent 6.00 Build 1186 "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So, throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." * - Unknown Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage *http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm Even the liberal Washington Post is giving the credit where due. Notice that they also credit the interrogation techniques so down- played by the Obama bunch. Maybe the liberals will learn something after all. Sure hope so. http://tinyurl.com/3gklkaw |
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#46
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On Thu, 5 May 2011 04:32:19 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote: On May 4, 8:50*pm, Gene wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2011 07:10:34 -0400, John H wrote: From yesterday's Washington Post: "U.S. analysts and operatives spent years figuring out the courier’s identity, senior administration officials said, concluding that he was a former protege of Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the self-declared mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks who is being held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The courier "had our constant attention," one official said. Detainees "identified this man as one of the few al-Qaeda couriers trusted by bin Laden, [and] indicated he might be living with or protecting bin Laden," the official said. But until four years ago, the United States was unable to track the courier down or uncover his real name. In 2009, U.S. officials narrowed down the region in Pakistan where the courier was working, senior administration officials said." 'Years' it says. "Four years ago..." Well, that dumps it in Bush's lap. http://tinyurl.com/6f65um6 Yesterday, Panetta admitted to Brian Williams that 'enhanced interrogation techniques', including waterboarding, provided intel which ultimately lead to the attack. http://tinyurl.com/6kz5423 I'll give Obama a 'C' for allowing the action to take place. He didn't do much else. You would benefit from a deeper pursuit of this than what Panetta said. He was wrong about releasing photos and he was wrong about reliable responses from people under torture. I don't know how we got so stupid, but we had a LOT more effective interrogation techniques when dealing with captured Japanese in WWII than we do now..... -- Forté Agent 6.00 Build 1186 "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So, throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." * - Unknown Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC. Homepage *http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm Even the liberal Washington Post is giving the credit where due. Notice that they also credit the interrogation techniques so down- played by the Obama bunch. Maybe the liberals will learn something after all. Sure hope so. http://tinyurl.com/3gklkaw If anything the water boarding perhaps confirmed other sources. All this nonsense about OBL as though his capture is going to solve all the problems of terrorism is astounding. Water boarding just brings us down to their level. The "actionable" intelligence that perhaps was gleaned from using it for sure had nothing to do with any immediate threat. |
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On Thu, 05 May 2011 13:55:37 -0400, sent the
following message On Wed, 04 May 2011 12:42:22 -0700, wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2011 15:25:15 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2011 11:38:43 -0600, Canuck57 wrote: On 04/05/2011 9:46 AM, John H wrote: On Wed, 4 May 2011 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Here, just for the fun of it... http://utopianist.com/wp-content/upl...ama-bin-laden- killed-trump.jpg Careful, Tim. The liberals are already *extremely* upset that Osama didn't receive a fair trial, but was instead shot while defenseless. You know, I've reached a decision. When Harry accuses Scotty of pedophilia, and therefore is accusing Scotty's daughter of incest, I think he's committing a vile act. Likewise, when Scotty accuses Harry of pedophilia, without any basis, Scotty is committing a vile act. Therefore, I've decided to have nothing to do with either of them. They both owe each other an apology. Hopefully they're both man enough to do so. Freaking fleabagger lefties, didn't get to spend millions on useless liberal lawyers? Wow, my sympathies not. Osama needed it. Over 300 indictments and warrants properly processed from multiple countries...Osama just needed a bullet. Think of the money it saved taxpayers, the chopper loss was peanuts. Keeping Osama for trial then incareration costs... best spent bullets were the ones sent to Osama. I am happy that Obama has repealed the flawed Carter policy of not targeting people for assassination. Maybe some day we can return to the Eisenhower policy of shaping civil war outcomes using covert means and without sending in a 150,000 troops. It was certainly clear that we could have taken OBL alive but they made the right choice and blew his head off on site. Plume, before you protest that, are you really saying a SEAL could not have wrestled a sickly, 54 year old, unarmed man to the ground if he wanted to? They saw him, they shot him end of story. There was no such repeal of any policy. We target people all the time. I believe it's mostly appropriate, given what they've done or are doing. So, you're claiming to know all the details of the raid, including the motion by motion action? Sounds to me like you really don't give Obama an "A". Rather, you're just looking for a way to put him down. Not at all but it is clear this was a hit, no more, no less. The SEALs have reported that there was only one armed person there, the courier, who they shot right away, then they shot 3 more unarmed people, including Bin Laden. This is the report the government has released. I think they all needed killing. Silly you. You say the murders of obl and company were premeditated. Like a mob hit? Or first degree murder? The libbers ain't gonna like their pres. being named a common fellon. There must be some way to blame it on GWB. |
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#50
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John H wrote:
On Thu, 05 May 2011 14:04:53 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 04 May 2011 15:57:05 -0400, wrote: wrote: I am happy that Obama has repealed the flawed Carter policy of not targeting people for assassination. Maybe some day we can return to the Eisenhower policy of shaping civil war outcomes using covert means and without sending in a 150,000 troops. It was certainly clear that we could have taken OBL alive but they made the right choice and blew his head off on site. Plume, before you protest that, are you really saying a SEAL could not have wrestled a sickly, 54 year old, unarmed man to the ground if he wanted to? They saw him, they shot him end of story. I prefer to deal with what we know...or were told. We were told Osama was given an opportunity to surrender and live or go out in a blaze of what he probably assumed was glory. We were told he chose the latter. That's no different than the choices the police in this country offer dangerous fugitives who they have cornered or who respond by opening fire. It usually is referred to as "Death by Cop." Assuming that was the case, I don't have a problem with the outcome. A trial would have been long and messy, but it is our way to try criminals and prove their guilt in a court of law. To dispose of criminals otherwise brings us down to the level of the terrorists. The reports coming back from the SEALs is that there was only one armed man there, who they shot right away. It is clear they wanted to kill OBL. I think that was a wise choice. Very. But it was not in keeping with the liberal interpretation of 'American values'. The "conservative interpretation" of American values is to shoot, no matter what? That's the sort of stupidity that got us into Iraq. Mind you, I don't oppose the shooting of bin Laden, assuming he was given a chance to surrender alive and turned it down. |
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