Where should the credit go?
 

In article ,
says...

wrote:
On Wed, 04 May 2011 11:38:43 -0600,
wrote:

On 04/05/2011 9:46 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 4 May 2011 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Here, just for the fun of it...


http://utopianist.com/wp-content/upl...lled-trump.jpg
Careful, Tim. The liberals are already *extremely* upset that Osama didn't receive a fair trial, but
was instead shot while defenseless.

You know, I've reached a decision. When Harry accuses Scotty of pedophilia, and therefore is
accusing Scotty's daughter of incest, I think he's committing a vile act. Likewise, when Scotty
accuses Harry of pedophilia, without any basis, Scotty is committing a vile act.

Therefore, I've decided to have nothing to do with either of them. They both owe each other an
apology. Hopefully they're both man enough to do so.
Freaking fleabagger lefties, didn't get to spend millions on useless
liberal lawyers? Wow, my sympathies not. Osama needed it. Over 300
indictments and warrants properly processed from multiple
countries...Osama just needed a bullet.

Think of the money it saved taxpayers, the chopper loss was peanuts.
Keeping Osama for trial then incareration costs... best spent bullets
were the ones sent to Osama.


I am happy that Obama has repealed the flawed Carter policy of not
targeting people for assassination.
Maybe some day we can return to the Eisenhower policy of shaping civil
war outcomes using covert means and without sending in a 150,000
troops.

It was certainly clear that we could have taken OBL alive but they
made the right choice and blew his head off on site.

Plume, before you protest that, are you really saying a SEAL could
not have wrestled a sickly, 54 year old, unarmed man to the ground if
he wanted to? They saw him, they shot him end of story.


I prefer to deal with what we know...or were told. We were told Osama
was given an opportunity to surrender and live or go out in a blaze of
what he probably assumed was glory. We were told he chose the latter.

That's no different than the choices the police in this country offer
dangerous fugitives who they have cornered or who respond by opening
fire. It usually is referred to as "Death by Cop."

Assuming that was the case, I don't have a problem with the outcome. A
trial would have been long and messy, but it is our way to try criminals
and prove their guilt in a court of law. To dispose of criminals
otherwise brings us down to the level of the terrorists.

There is no better suited or trained outfit in the world so capable of
even taking an armed, attacking person with non-lethal force. If they
wanted him alive, they would have taken him alive... He, like many
others over there know too much about what Pakistan, and even we knew
about his existence for the last ten years... They wanted him dead, and
they are the best at that too.

--
Team Rowdy Mouse, Banned from the Mall for life!

Where should the credit go?
 

On 5/4/2011 3:57 PM, Harryk wrote:
John H wrote:
On Wed, 04 May 2011 15:25:15 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 04 May 2011 11:38:43 -0600,
wrote:

On 04/05/2011 9:46 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 4 May 2011 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Here, just for the fun of it...


http://utopianist.com/wp-content/upl...lled-trump.jpg

Careful, Tim. The liberals are already *extremely* upset that Osama
didn't receive a fair trial, but
was instead shot while defenseless.

You know, I've reached a decision. When Harry accuses Scotty of
pedophilia, and therefore is
accusing Scotty's daughter of incest, I think he's committing a
vile act. Likewise, when Scotty
accuses Harry of pedophilia, without any basis, Scotty is
committing a vile act.

Therefore, I've decided to have nothing to do with either of them.
They both owe each other an
apology. Hopefully they're both man enough to do so.
Freaking fleabagger lefties, didn't get to spend millions on useless
liberal lawyers? Wow, my sympathies not. Osama needed it. Over 300
indictments and warrants properly processed from multiple
countries...Osama just needed a bullet.

Think of the money it saved taxpayers, the chopper loss was peanuts.
Keeping Osama for trial then incareration costs... best spent bullets
were the ones sent to Osama.

I am happy that Obama has repealed the flawed Carter policy of not
targeting people for assassination.
Maybe some day we can return to the Eisenhower policy of shaping civil
war outcomes using covert means and without sending in a 150,000
troops.

It was certainly clear that we could have taken OBL alive but they
made the right choice and blew his head off on site.

Plume, before you protest that, are you really saying a SEAL could
not have wrestled a sickly, 54 year old, unarmed man to the ground if
he wanted to? They saw him, they shot him end of story.

Ah yes, but was it 'a return to American values'? Don't you think
there are a whole lot of
disappointed ACLU lawyers now? If 'hurting' the prisoners at Gitmo is
'inhumane' and violates their
'civil rights', how can shooting one be any better?

If I were a liberal (which I'm not), and if I were glad we shot Osama
(which I am), then I'd have a
hard time reconciling the shooting of the guy.

Ahh, but you don't believe in the American justice system.


Do you remember when you wanted Chaney's head on a pike?

Where should the credit go?
 

On 04/05/2011 1:57 PM, Harryk wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 04 May 2011 11:38:43 -0600,
wrote:

On 04/05/2011 9:46 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 4 May 2011 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Here, just for the fun of it...


http://utopianist.com/wp-content/upl...lled-trump.jpg

Careful, Tim. The liberals are already *extremely* upset that Osama
didn't receive a fair trial, but
was instead shot while defenseless.

You know, I've reached a decision. When Harry accuses Scotty of
pedophilia, and therefore is
accusing Scotty's daughter of incest, I think he's committing a vile
act. Likewise, when Scotty
accuses Harry of pedophilia, without any basis, Scotty is committing
a vile act.

Therefore, I've decided to have nothing to do with either of them.
They both owe each other an
apology. Hopefully they're both man enough to do so.
Freaking fleabagger lefties, didn't get to spend millions on useless
liberal lawyers? Wow, my sympathies not. Osama needed it. Over 300
indictments and warrants properly processed from multiple
countries...Osama just needed a bullet.

Think of the money it saved taxpayers, the chopper loss was peanuts.
Keeping Osama for trial then incareration costs... best spent bullets
were the ones sent to Osama.


I am happy that Obama has repealed the flawed Carter policy of not
targeting people for assassination.
Maybe some day we can return to the Eisenhower policy of shaping civil
war outcomes using covert means and without sending in a 150,000
troops.

It was certainly clear that we could have taken OBL alive but they
made the right choice and blew his head off on site.

Plume, before you protest that, are you really saying a SEAL could
not have wrestled a sickly, 54 year old, unarmed man to the ground if
he wanted to? They saw him, they shot him end of story.


I prefer to deal with what we know...or were told. We were told Osama
was given an opportunity to surrender and live or go out in a blaze of
what he probably assumed was glory. We were told he chose the latter.

That's no different than the choices the police in this country offer
dangerous fugitives who they have cornered or who respond by opening
fire. It usually is referred to as "Death by Cop."

Assuming that was the case, I don't have a problem with the outcome. A
trial would have been long and messy, but it is our way to try criminals
and prove their guilt in a court of law. To dispose of criminals
otherwise brings us down to the level of the terrorists.

Hey HarryK and the rest of the fleabaggers, Osama had 9 1/2 years to
surrender for 9/11, longer for other charges...and who cares about the
many others...

Bag'n'tag.

--
I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with
fleabagger debt.

Take a look at ANY country, more debt more problems. So why do we allow
our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed?

Where should the credit go?
 

On Wed, 04 May 2011 15:57:58 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

John H wrote:
On Wed, 04 May 2011 15:25:15 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 04 May 2011 11:38:43 -0600,
wrote:

On 04/05/2011 9:46 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 4 May 2011 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Here, just for the fun of it...


http://utopianist.com/wp-content/upl...lled-trump.jpg
Careful, Tim. The liberals are already *extremely* upset that Osama didn't receive a fair trial, but
was instead shot while defenseless.

You know, I've reached a decision. When Harry accuses Scotty of pedophilia, and therefore is
accusing Scotty's daughter of incest, I think he's committing a vile act. Likewise, when Scotty
accuses Harry of pedophilia, without any basis, Scotty is committing a vile act.

Therefore, I've decided to have nothing to do with either of them. They both owe each other an
apology. Hopefully they're both man enough to do so.
Freaking fleabagger lefties, didn't get to spend millions on useless
liberal lawyers? Wow, my sympathies not. Osama needed it. Over 300
indictments and warrants properly processed from multiple
countries...Osama just needed a bullet.

Think of the money it saved taxpayers, the chopper loss was peanuts.
Keeping Osama for trial then incareration costs... best spent bullets
were the ones sent to Osama.

I am happy that Obama has repealed the flawed Carter policy of not
targeting people for assassination.
Maybe some day we can return to the Eisenhower policy of shaping civil
war outcomes using covert means and without sending in a 150,000
troops.

It was certainly clear that we could have taken OBL alive but they
made the right choice and blew his head off on site.

Plume, before you protest that, are you really saying a SEAL could
not have wrestled a sickly, 54 year old, unarmed man to the ground if
he wanted to? They saw him, they shot him end of story.

Ah yes, but was it 'a return to American values'? Don't you think there are a whole lot of
disappointed ACLU lawyers now? If 'hurting' the prisoners at Gitmo is 'inhumane' and violates their
'civil rights', how can shooting one be any better?

If I were a liberal (which I'm not), and if I were glad we shot Osama (which I am), then I'd have a
hard time reconciling the shooting of the guy.

Ahh, but you don't believe in the American justice system.

Name three racist liars who do.

Where should the credit go?
 

On Wed, 04 May 2011 12:42:22 -0700, sent the
following message
On Wed, 04 May 2011 15:25:15 -0400, wrote:


On Wed, 04 May 2011 11:38:43 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 04/05/2011 9:46 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 4 May 2011 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Here, just for the fun of it...



http://utopianist.com/wp-content/upl...ama-bin-laden-
killed-trump.jpg

Careful, Tim. The liberals are already *extremely* upset that
Osama didn't receive a fair trial, but
was instead shot while defenseless.

You know, I've reached a decision. When Harry accuses Scotty of
pedophilia, and therefore is
accusing Scotty's daughter of incest, I think he's committing a
vile act. Likewise, when Scotty
accuses Harry of pedophilia, without any basis, Scotty is
committing a vile act.

Therefore, I've decided to have nothing to do with either of
them. They both owe each other an
apology. Hopefully they're both man enough to do so.

Freaking fleabagger lefties, didn't get to spend millions on
useless
liberal lawyers? Wow, my sympathies not. Osama needed it. Over
300
indictments and warrants properly processed from multiple
countries...Osama just needed a bullet.

Think of the money it saved taxpayers, the chopper loss was
peanuts.
Keeping Osama for trial then incareration costs... best spent
bullets
were the ones sent to Osama.


I am happy that Obama has repealed the flawed Carter policy of not
targeting people for assassination.
Maybe some day we can return to the Eisenhower policy of shaping
civil
war outcomes using covert means and without sending in a 150,000
troops.

It was certainly clear that we could have taken OBL alive but they
made the right choice and blew his head off on site.

Plume, before you protest that, are you really saying a SEAL could
not have wrestled a sickly, 54 year old, unarmed man to the ground
if
he wanted to? They saw him, they shot him end of story.


There was no such repeal of any policy. We target people all the
time.
I believe it's mostly appropriate, given what they've done or are
doing.


So, you're claiming to know all the details of the raid, including
the
motion by motion action? Sounds to me like you really don't give
Obama
an "A". Rather, you're just looking for a way to put him down.

I'll igive him an A+ for Asshat. I guess it's ok for your guy to
murder a suspected terrorist. I expect you'll be wanting to eliminate
any terrorist you come across, now the precident has been set. Might
as well start in Gitmo I guess GWB wasn't so inhumane after all. I
also understand a little gentle waterboarding and mild torture helped
to extract vital intel leading to OBLs discovery. You can apologise
to the prior administration whenever you are man enough. Snerk

Where should the credit go?
 

On Wed, 04 May 2011 11:42:55 -0600, Canuck57
sent the following message
On 04/05/2011 9:29 AM, I_am_Tosk wrote:
In ,

says...

On 04/05/2011 5:23 AM, Harryk wrote:
John H wrote:
From yesterday's Washington Post:

"U.S. analysts and operatives spent years figuring out the
courier?s
identity, senior administration
officials said, concluding that he was a former protege of
Khalid
Sheik Mohammed, the self-declared
mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks who is being held at
Guantanamo
Bay, Cuba. The courier "had our
constant attention," one official said.

Detainees "identified this man as one of the few al-Qaeda
couriers
trusted by bin Laden, [and]
indicated he might be living with or protecting bin Laden," the
official said. But until four years
ago, the United States was unable to track the courier down or
uncover
his real name. In 2009, U.S.
officials narrowed down the region in Pakistan where the
courier was
working, senior administration
officials said."

'Years' it says. "Four years ago..." Well, that dumps it in
Bush's lap.

http://tinyurl.com/6f65um6

Yesterday, Panetta admitted to Brian Williams that 'enhanced
interrogation techniques', including
waterboarding, provided intel which ultimately lead to the
attack.

http://tinyurl.com/6kz5423

I'll give Obama a 'C' for allowing the action to take place.
He didn't
do much else.

If that's your evaluation, give Bush an "F," because he stated
several
times he just wasn't that interested in running down Osama. And
you are
overstating what the CIA director said.

The facts remain:

1. Bush and his cohorts failed to catch Osama.
2. Cheney, Bush& Rumsfeld, et al, lied us into an unnecessary
and
really stupid war for purely political reasons.
3. Bush blew more than a trillion dollars on that stupid war.
4. Bush hurt our reputation around the world.

It's really funny that some of the Bush apologists are now
trying to
claim partial credit for the killing of Osama. Sorry,
Repubs...that
don't won't hunt. Your team failed.

And Obama agreed with Bush so what is your point? The reality
is it
became politically convenient to kill Osama.

"Your team failed".. The moron really thinks Obama used a
different
"team" than Bush? Now that's rich... It was the same team, they
just
finally won.


Hey, I am of the belief that both Bush AND Obama knew at various
times
where and when Osama was.


But with the child murders by a NATO assassination attempt, tide
turned
on the assassination thing. Also, what if others knew Obama
knew...
Obama-2012 on the way, people want results out of this
debt-suspender.


Became politically the right time to actually get him.


--
I can assure you that the road to prosperity is not paved with
fleabagger debt.


Take a look at ANY country, more debt more problems. So why do we
allow
our governments more debt? Selfishness, greed?

Politically the right time. Thats right.

Where should the credit go?
 

I_am_Tosk wrote:
In ,
says...


I prefer to deal with what we know...or were told. We were told Osama
was given an opportunity to surrender and live or go out in a blaze of
what he probably assumed was glory. We were told he chose the latter.

That's no different than the choices the police in this country offer
dangerous fugitives who they have cornered or who respond by opening
fire. It usually is referred to as "Death by Cop."

Assuming that was the case, I don't have a problem with the outcome. A
trial would have been long and messy, but it is our way to try criminals
and prove their guilt in a court of law. To dispose of criminals
otherwise brings us down to the level of the terrorists.

There is no better suited or trained outfit in the world so capable of
even taking an armed, attacking person with non-lethal force. If they
wanted him alive, they would have taken him alive... He, like many
others over there know too much about what Pakistan, and even we knew
about his existence for the last ten years... They wanted him dead, and
they are the best at that too.



Sigh...yet another half-baked right-wing conspiracy theory.

Where should the credit go?
 

On Wed, 04 May 2011 15:03:52 -0400, wrote:

He may have become less
guarded and made the critical mistake sooner.

It turns out that it was one of his so called "trusted couriers" that
made the mistake by calling someone in the US that was under
surveilance.

Where should the credit go?
 

On Wed, 04 May 2011 15:25:15 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 04 May 2011 11:38:43 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 04/05/2011 9:46 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 4 May 2011 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Here, just for the fun of it...


http://utopianist.com/wp-content/upl...lled-trump.jpg

Careful, Tim. The liberals are already *extremely* upset that Osama didn't receive a fair trial, but
was instead shot while defenseless.

You know, I've reached a decision. When Harry accuses Scotty of pedophilia, and therefore is
accusing Scotty's daughter of incest, I think he's committing a vile act. Likewise, when Scotty
accuses Harry of pedophilia, without any basis, Scotty is committing a vile act.

Therefore, I've decided to have nothing to do with either of them. They both owe each other an
apology. Hopefully they're both man enough to do so.

Freaking fleabagger lefties, didn't get to spend millions on useless
liberal lawyers? Wow, my sympathies not. Osama needed it. Over 300
indictments and warrants properly processed from multiple
countries...Osama just needed a bullet.

Think of the money it saved taxpayers, the chopper loss was peanuts.
Keeping Osama for trial then incareration costs... best spent bullets
were the ones sent to Osama.


I am happy that Obama has repealed the flawed Carter policy of not
targeting people for assassination.
Maybe some day we can return to the Eisenhower policy of shaping civil
war outcomes using covert means and without sending in a 150,000
troops.

It was certainly clear that we could have taken OBL alive but they
made the right choice and blew his head off on site.

Plume, before you protest that, are you really saying a SEAL could
not have wrestled a sickly, 54 year old, unarmed man to the ground if
he wanted to? They saw him, they shot him end of story.

It was the right thing to do. Capturing him alive would have led to
no end of complications and repercussions.

Where should the credit go?
 

On Wed, 04 May 2011 20:17:07 -0400, Wayne B
wrote:

On Wed, 04 May 2011 15:25:15 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 04 May 2011 11:38:43 -0600, Canuck57
wrote:

On 04/05/2011 9:46 AM, John H wrote:
On Wed, 4 May 2011 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Here, just for the fun of it...


http://utopianist.com/wp-content/upl...lled-trump.jpg

Careful, Tim. The liberals are already *extremely* upset that Osama didn't receive a fair trial, but
was instead shot while defenseless.

You know, I've reached a decision. When Harry accuses Scotty of pedophilia, and therefore is
accusing Scotty's daughter of incest, I think he's committing a vile act. Likewise, when Scotty
accuses Harry of pedophilia, without any basis, Scotty is committing a vile act.

Therefore, I've decided to have nothing to do with either of them. They both owe each other an
apology. Hopefully they're both man enough to do so.

Freaking fleabagger lefties, didn't get to spend millions on useless
liberal lawyers? Wow, my sympathies not. Osama needed it. Over 300
indictments and warrants properly processed from multiple
countries...Osama just needed a bullet.

Think of the money it saved taxpayers, the chopper loss was peanuts.
Keeping Osama for trial then incareration costs... best spent bullets
were the ones sent to Osama.


I am happy that Obama has repealed the flawed Carter policy of not
targeting people for assassination.
Maybe some day we can return to the Eisenhower policy of shaping civil
war outcomes using covert means and without sending in a 150,000
troops.

It was certainly clear that we could have taken OBL alive but they
made the right choice and blew his head off on site.

Plume, before you protest that, are you really saying a SEAL could
not have wrestled a sickly, 54 year old, unarmed man to the ground if
he wanted to? They saw him, they shot him end of story.

It was the right thing to do. Capturing him alive would have led to
no end of complications and repercussions.

We don't even know the details (perhaps never will) about the
circumstances.

I don't rejoice in anyone's death, even a horrible person such as OBL.
I think him spending the rest of his life in a 8x10 cage, 23 hours a
day sounds about right.